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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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Alexander the Great was not a Slav. How the hell did this get so many posts ?
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Nick the Greek
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians...I mean, they are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are. Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism, proud to have retained that (Greek) language and that (Hellenic) culture which ultimately connects them back to that civilization and to that campaign their ancestor's initiated to expand (Hellenism) the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known world. Real Macedonians preserve Hellenism, in fact, they have always defended and protected the Greek world from outsider attacks incursions and invasions.FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they acquired the Macedonian name, by Ideology not by nature.

Todays Greeks are the Sole and Legal modern representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy which includes Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity. No other modern peoples in the Greek (Haemus) Peninsula or on this planet are closer to them than todays modern-Greeks...we can trace our history and heritage back, in "backwards-compatible " fashion, consistant to and compatible with the long established mainstream historical record traversing a time continuum spanning Millennia in complete synchronicity with other ancient-peoples written histories. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they acquired the Macedonian name through Indoctrination by the sheer will of some Slavists that demanded it.

FYRoM's written historical narratives are many and they all vary...inconsistant and incompatible when compared to the mainstream historical narrative.

In Europe, we cannot have a situation where one country is teaching a different version of history to their children pupils and students. In Europe, we must all be on the same same page from the same chapter, reading in complete synchronicity from one common European history book. FYRoM teaches the opposite to what is taught in Europe and elswhere and this is unacceptable.

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. As long as they exist, FYRoM cannot use their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Common-sense can tell authentic-Macedonian from fabricated one. Apply Common-sense in FYRoM and we resolve the name dispute in an instant and at a stroke.
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09/30/2012 04:11 PM
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are blood related to Serbians and Bulgarians...Kith and Kin to both of them. South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

It would be incorrect to name them Macedonians...on the basis, this name is foreign to Slavs and outside the boundaries of their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations.

It would however, be demographically correct to suggest, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs in transition to forming their own seperate and unique ethno-specific Identity, having been incrementally shifted from and sufficiently seperated from the main Serbo-Bulgarian root from which they stem.

That they are entitled to form their own unique ethno-specific Identity free from outside interferance is not in dispute...what is in dispute is their want to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian one when it is known at every single academic discipline, Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

FYRoM's journey to forming a so called Macedonian-Identity of their own has been clearly mapped, it can be traced back to the 1860's during the lead-up and final establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate sometime during the upheavals from the last decades of the 19th Century AD.

FYRoM's so called Macedonian-Identity exists solely on the sheer will and wishes of those pseudo-historical Slavist mind-architects that demanded it.

The problem for FYRoM is this: History cannot be altered simply by rewriting it! National-Identities are not constructed in this way, using historical revisionsm to fabricate the existence of a Slavic speaking ethnos during classical antiquity is an indulgence and a manipulation too far.
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Macedonia today, is a large geographical region located in the Southeastern part of Europe...in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula. The largest portion of Macedonian territory lay in Greece at 51%. It is this part which constitutes the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The remainder is shared out between FYRoM at 39%, followed by Bulgaria at 9% and lastly Albania, with just 1%. FYRoM - Bulgaria - Albania hold on to greater-Macedonian territory of No Interest to Greece.

It must be stressed, these countries hold on to territories named Macedonia II Salutaris by the latin-Romans. For Greeks, these territories were never part of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, hence, Greece has no Interest in them.

When Greece fought the Ottoman Empire during the Balkan Wars, they fought to eject the Musulman-Turk from Macedonian territory Greeks always considered to be their own primordial-homelands. Greeks fought bravely to return Macedonia back to Greek hands, and they did it. Greeks were successful in ridding the Turk from Greek-Macedonian soil.
Greeks returned Macedonia back, by conquest, ejecting the Mehmetin Oriental Musulman-Turk from Greek-Hellenic soil.

Greek-Macedonia is where the ancient-Macedonians lived, a Greek speaking Hellenic region by all historic accounts.

Today there is a population there exceeding some 2.5 Million Greeks, and is a quarter of Greece’s territory. Macedonia for the Greeks constitutes a large part of their territory and an even larger part of their history. Modern-Greeks have images of ancient-Macedonians scratched into their collective conciousness. For Greeks, Macedonians form an important intrinsic and integral part of Hellenisms ethno-genic collective. From Cypriot-Islanders in the East to Ionian-Islanders in the West, all Greeks in mind body and soul. From Creten-Islanders in the South to Macedonian mainlanders in the North, all Greeks in mind body and soul.

Can FYRoM Really Rubbish This!
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For those who still don't know...FYRoM was never part of Alexander the Greats Kingdom. The Macedonian name they covet so much was extended outwards by the latin-Romans to cover over Paeonian and Dardanian lands Centuries after Alexanders death. FYRoM sits on those lands. There is Nothing of real Macedonia there.

There are no moral-reasons or ethical-justifications for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be wanting to stake a claim on a Greek-Hellenic name when Paeonia suits them better. And if they No like the Paeonian name, they could always opt for the Dardanian one...for these names are available for immediate use, on the basis, no modern peoples use them for Identity purposes.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain...ask any accredited Philologist - Linguist.

The Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...ask any accredited classicist-historian - archaelogists.

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used correctly, it is used to describe Greeks - Northern-Greeks that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be wanting to describe themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, and in the cultural-linguistic sense comes across as wanting to exercise an indulgence, solely for the provocation factor and the aggravation factor, just to rile the Greeks for the entertainment value. Those who do it, do it to attract attention...attention-seekers with some theatrical skills to back-up their claims.

All of those theatrical stunts that FYRoM ever pulled to prove themselves Macedonians just backfired badly...Nobody sees them as Macedonian. Everybody sees them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Macedonians have always been Greeks...It's time for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to learn this basic and simple truth!
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10/03/2012 05:51 PM
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With all the facts taken into consideration, FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity rooted in classical antiquity have proven to be false...untrue! So where does it leave FYRoM now ?

It leaves FYRoM in a dark place...shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, not given a second look.

The good-will of the West FYRoM took advantage of. By abusing the right to self-determin as a nation of Macedonians, FYRoM pushed the West to consider balancing the relationship between historical-facts being pitted against Western rights and freedoms.

That America under the Bush administration wanted FYRoM integrated as quickly as possible into the West's most prestigious economic and security structures of the EU and NATO...It proved impossible on the basis, Greece disapproved of FYRoM's choice of name. FYRoM opted to go for the Macedonian name to describe their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity, a name which the Greeks consider to be uniquely their own.

Some Western politicians were willing to turn their backs on Greece in order to appease FYRoM, not from historical academic perspectives but from the political expedience aspect. Academic correctness gave way to political correctness and FYRoM was given the time of day but only for a short while, until professional historian scholars stood-up to confront the politicians, to show them that political expediency cannot and must not be allowed to ride roughshod over long established mainstream history facts.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] From since the day classicist historian scholars put pen to paper in support of the Greek positions over the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece...global politicians and world diplomats dare not make decisions that go against the findings and teachings of World-Academia.

Nobody gives FYRoM a second look anymore...FYRoM is where it has always been, in a dark place for quite some time now, shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks but moreso about themselves, who they really are and from whence they really come from.

As far as global politicians are concerned, Macedonians are Greeks...and as far as Academia is concerned, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the tin, South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

For how long can FYRoM continue with it's silliness, with the pretence...that Serbo-Bulgarians are Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense.
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10/04/2012 02:19 PM
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are very gullible people...simple-minded and simple-hearted peoples that were bred for purpose to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, or Slavic speakers. They tend to believe in things which for educated peoples would seem impossible. It is an indulgence, nothing more than this, for FYRoM to chase exclusively, the Macedonian name and the Identity that goes with it, when it is known at all of the academic disciplines, the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

FYRoM made the mistake of delegating it's foreign policy towards it's diasporas in the West but FYRoM's diasporas being split and disenfranchised from their respective Balkan communities were left to wallow in their own nostalgia...for years they were saying anti-Hellenic things and doing things, often misrepresenting FYRoM the country.

Now FYRoM is paying the price for that indulgence, indulging in diaspora driven foreign policies...policies which ultimately led to the complete alienation of Greece, the Greek-Hellenic peoples and the global Greek diasporas.

FYRoM now finds itself isolated and alone...shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance from the EU and NATO, the Euro-Atlantic structures it said it had always aspired to join.
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Gullible you say?!!


Eh more Nick! You can talk as much as you like from UK. Have you ever been to my country? If not, it is you who is gullible.

Nick, this war of words is futile. WE are never gonna accept different name from MACEDONIA. Never! We will achieve international recognition as Macedonians, or will die trying.


So please continue your charade! It's just like a snowfall in July!
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It's not just about the Macedonian name...The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is essentially an argument about heritage more than anything else. Arguments about National Identity in the milleiu-mix of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula are essentially flawed considering the populations there have been together in close proximity for quite some time.

Greeks maintain that their heritage is rooted back to the Byzantines. Byzantines traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes. The Hellenes traced their heritage back to the proto-Greek Mycenaeans. In this three tier heritage configuration, todays Greeks claim ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity with impressive documentation to prove their case.

Greeks maintain that FYRoM's heritage can only be traced back to Communism. FYRoM has Communist heritage. To go back further would only reveal FYRoM's Bulgarian past. This ofcourse, is where it starts to get wishy-washy because FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs deny anything to do with Bulgarians, they insist, they are Macedonians with ancient roots.

It is both a paradox and an anomaly, that in today's modern and complicated world, one may be found carrying a type of Blood and Dna that does not properly reflect or bode-well with ones current ethnic-feelings or National-pride. For example: FYRoM's South-Slavs are closer to Greeks in temperament morphology and in many other ways, than to say Russian Slavs or Polish Slavs. To say they are Slavicised Indigenous peoples from the Haemus peninsula resonates. It could be that they carry the same native Blood and Dna as the Greeks, but they speak a foreign non-native language and follow an anti-Hellenic path.

FYRoM's Identity cannot be the same as the one that exists in Greece...regional-geographic Identities cannot be serreptitiously transformed into ethnic and racial ones and then erroneously applied to to a peoples espousing a different heritage. Heritage is something Inherited by legal descent or succession. Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern-representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy, the legal-custodians of Hellenisms cultural Inheritance.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt - usurp - monopolize an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name. Why ?

Because we value our heritage...right!
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Gullible you say?!!


Eh more Nick! You can talk as much as you like from UK. Have you ever been to my country? If not, it is you who is gullible.

Nick, this war of words is futile. WE are never gonna accept different name from MACEDONIA. Never! We will achieve international recognition as Macedonians, or will die trying.


So please continue your charade! It's just like a snowfall in July!
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Only gullible people believe Alexander the Great was Aleksandar Veliki...the first Czar of the Slavs.

You can call yourself Macedonian...I do not have a problem with that but distinguish yourself from the Macedonians that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Real Macedonia is in Greece this is a fact. No educated person, not even a Slavic one could consolidate the requests of FYRoM with what is factually known about Macedonians.

What I am saying is this: This is as close as it gets to reality without the need to attach modern populations to ancient Identies. The Macedonian name does belong in the Greek domain, whether Greeks exist or not, and Macedonian-Identity does belong to Greek heritage, it can only be applicable to the peoples of today who legally represent the Greeks.
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10/06/2012 06:18 AM
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From the Ionian Islands in the West to Cyprus in the East, and from Crete in the South to Macedonia in the North...here you are in Greek cultural waters and Hellenic linguistic space, it has been this way from since Millenniums into the past.

If some free spirited, unaffiliated Individuals decided to enter into that space in order to make it their home, I mean, they decided freely to settle there to lay down some roots...how long I wonder, would it take for them to assimilate, to take-in, absorbe and incorporate as their own, the language, customs, culture and traditions in order to become one with the native originals peoples, the Indigenous autochthonous peoples of the land. The answer we know to be 8 generations or around 2 Centuries. The precedent was set by the original-Bulgar tribes who morphed into fully fledged Slavs at around the 9th Century AD.

Peoples in close proximity to the Greeks adopted their dominant-language and resiliant-culture out of choice, freely and willingly. The Greek (Haemus) peninsula absorbed numerous NoN-Greek peoples into their fold that ultimately learned to walk like Greeks and talk like Greeks.

It's Ironic that most of that Hellenizing thing was done by the Macedonians. It was the Macedonians that Hellenized the Thracians and the Paeonians. Paeonia is where FYRoM is situated geographically right now. It could be, probably more likely, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the Slavicized remnants of the once Hellenized-Paeonians.

It's Ironic...that Macedonians Hellenized their ancestors during antiquity, whilst the Bulgarians Slavicized them much later during the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic migrations, incursions, invasions then final settlement of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula sometime around the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are serious in wanting to sift and search for their ancient-roots in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, they can find those roots in Paeonia. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are more Paeonian than Macedonian...geographically speaking at least!

Macedonians are Greeks...they have never been detached from Hellenism and that is a recorded fact!
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It used to be, many many moons ago, that Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...today however, Macedonians can be Slavic speakers also. Slavs, namely some Bulgarians and some ex-Yugoslavs can lay claim to Macedonian-Identity on the basis of geography. The lands on which they reside were once under Roman rule and carried the Macedonian-name for administrative purposes. The latin-Romans applied the Macedonian-name in subsidiariness, to serve a wider, more-enlarged and more-extended Macedonian-region in order to compliment and aggrandize the much smaller ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, which they distinguished by using the term Prima-Macedonia. The added-on parts the Romans called Macedonia II Salutaris, meaning Secondary-Macedonia, or beneficial-Macedonia, to symbolize and signify it's status.

It must be stressed...The Slavs of the region invoked, revived and bought back to life, the use of the Macedonian-name in 1945 during Communist rule. Marshall Tito, the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia, resurrected the name then applied it to a brand-new South-Slavic Republic he Christened "Socialist Republic of Macedonia." Tito took this action to compliment a decision he made a year earlier in 1944, when he commissioned the creation of a brand-new South-Slavic language he Christened "Macedonian" language.
It must be stressed...Before 1944, the Slavs of the region described their land as Vardar Banovina or just plain South-Serbia...they never used the Macedonian-name to describe the land.

It must be stressed...The Slavs of the region bacame Macedonians linguistically, in 1944, and Macedonians geographically, in 1945.

It must also be stressed that Marshall Tito, the Communist Coatian dictator of Yugoslavia not only Christened their brand-new South-Slavic language to Macedonian-language, and their brand-new South-Slavic country to Socialist Republic of Macedonia...he also created a Church for them. In 1967 he commissioned the world's first atheist Communist inspired Christian-Orthodox Chruch, which he Christened to Macedonian Orthodox Church.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs owe Marshall Tito their very existence! If not for him, they would still be considered Bulgarians in both speech and in genous...and Southern-Serbs by land.

How did we get here! How did it get to this stage...when we see that gullible, simple-minded, simple-hearted South-Slavs have been manipulated and coerced into thinking of themselves as Macedonians, and into thinking of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs on the basis they have learned to call their new language Macedonian, and their new country Macedonia, therefore, they must be bona-fide Macedonians...is an indulgence and a manipulation too far.
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From the river Iber in the West, to the river Evros in the East, that space in between is a Greek concept...Evropi!

Europe without Greeks in it is not Europe at all but a place where Celto-Germanic peoples dwell in the West and an assortment of peoples dwell in the East. Evropi, goes where the Greeks take it, the word-term, I mean.

Europe today, owes it's cultural development-enlightenment to the Greeks and the Romans...Hellenics and Latins, a Southern-European Mediterenean-peoples, who's Greco-Roman civilization, a refinement of a much earlier Hellenic one, became the culture of choice for the disparate peoples that settled and replenished Europe much later.

Hellenics and Latins evolved and went on to develop into Greco-Romans. Their empire ceased to exist in the Western part of Europe at September 4th 476 AD, but it continued in the Eastern part of Europe until 1453 AD.

Those Greek speaking Romans and those Latin speaking Romans are represented today by the modern-peoples of Greece and Italy.

Here, It must be stressed that only one of those peoples has legitimacy over the legacy of the Roman Empire. Only the Greeks can trace their heritage back to those Greco-Roman Byzantines in wholly consistant and "backwards-compatible" fashion.

Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern representatives of the Byzantine Empire...the cultural-custodians of Byzantium's legacy. No other modern-peoples on this planet can boast what the Greeks boast.

Europe today gets it's cultural nourishment and sustenance from Athens and Rome. Greeks and Romans set the foundations for a civilization that has endured into the modern-age.

When the Celto-Germanic peoples of Western Europe look back at themselves to find common synergy, they get to a hero-figure called Karalos (Charlemagne) Magnos, or Charles I, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire 800–814 AD. Like the example above...only one of them claims legitimacy over the legacy of the Holy Roman Empire. In this context, one can feel the friction which so evidently exists between todays modern Hellenic entity and it's Germanic equivalent.

Can the Slavs of FYRoM even contemplate what is going on here...I mean, their argument with Greece over the use of the Macedonian name and Identity. Is it even taken seriously in Europe. I doubt it!
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Everybody knows, Greece is home to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, where Alexander the Great was born.

Everybody knows, the name of the Kingdom was used by the latin-Romans to rename Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands.

Everybody knows, FYRoM sits on those lands today. So, in a region shared by so many, how can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim to be the only "Macedonians" around, living in the only "Macedonia," when the region today straddles over more than one country. How can those claims be taken seriously.

As for human rights - having the freedom to choose any name one wants for self-Identity purposes, based on feelings or the way one sees fit is really not true. Rather, it is considered an abuse to invoke those rights when it is known that a particular name is already in use, and the name choice itself implies heritage rights.

When Greece is home to 51% of geographic-Macedonia, and this 51% is where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon lay...this fact alone puts FYRoM's silliness into perspective. FYRoM is actually home to 39% of geographic-Macedonia which in ancient geographic terms, was not Macedonia at all but Paeonia and Dardania.

In demographic terms, geographic-Macedonia is home to approximately 5 Million souls, more than 2.5 Millions are Greek, the largest ethnic group in the region. FYRoM is home to approximately 1.2 Million souls.

It must be stressed...FYRoM holds just over 1/3 of geographic-Macedonia and home to 1.2 Million souls who give their allegiance to it, out of a total population of more than 5 Millions. With figures such as these, FYRoM loses credibility in the eyes of the world, having absolute-zero legitimacy in laying claims to another peoples name, land and Identity.

It must be stressed...Macedonia has always been home to Greek speaking Hellenic people and Macedonians have never been detached from Hellenism. These are recorded historical facts.

It must be stressed...Macedonian-Identity is used as regional-Identity by more than 5 Million Greeks that still actually live in real and proper Macedonia, and not the extended geographical region!
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Historically speaking, “Macedonia” referred to an ancient Hellenic region, not to a Nationality. Geographically, Macedonia today lies within Northern Greece, just as it did in ancient times.

Unbeknown to the Slavs of FYRoM...The original Macedonians, claimed descent from the Heracleides, Greeks from the start and the very beginning.

Unbeknown to the average FYRoM guy...his ancestors, the Slavs, did not arrive in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula until the 6th Century AD, almost a Millennia after the death of Alexander the Great.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are just now learning, that their country actually sits on ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands, Not ancient-Macedonian land.

They are just now learning, that until 1944, FYRoM was actually called "Vardarska Banovina," the southernmost part of Serbia.

All silliness aside...I do agree, that everyone has the right of self-determination, to Identify themselves the way they want or see fit, but what happens when the name they want is already in use.

A newly established country like FYRoM, cannot be allowed to adopt - usurp - monopolize a name which has been in use and associated with one of its neighbours from since antiquity.
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Greece cannot possibly recognize FYRoM as an Independent Nation of Macedonians, on the basis, there has never existed an Independent Macedonian state outside of Hellenism. Through Greek eyes, FYRoM is seen as an artificial creation, an invention of comrade Tito, the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia, who, in an effort to bolster potential territorial claims against Greece, baptized a milieu of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs with the Greek-Hellenic name "Macedonians." The Greek position contends that since Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon and becaiuse the ancient-Macedonians were essentially a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...only Greeks have right to their legacy on the basis, the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greeks. Even if fragmented, those chain links join modern-Greeks to ancient-Greeks in a line of ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity in a manner which no other modern peoples can boast. It is the Greeks who can boast head seating position at the heirarchy table, only Greeks have the principal-right to Identify themselves as Macedonians, not the Slavs of FYRoM.

Ultimately, the Greeks are realists, Greeks recognize that the only possible solution to the FYRoM - Greece conflict is one that takes into account and recognizes both peoples' rights to the Macedonian-name and Identity, but from a hierarchical perspective...there can be two kinds of Macedonians, Macedonians who are Greeks and Macedonians who are not Greeks. Macedonians who are not Greeks having the right to Identify themselves as Macedonians on the basis of geography, and not through injudicious or wrongly percieved ethnic-racial, cultural or linguistic perspectives.
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The Socialist Republic of Macedonia...created in 1945 and populated in the main by an assortment of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, blood related, kith and kin to bona-fide proper Serbians and Bulgarians. Their language was the closest Slavic language to Bulgarian before 1944, and it remained the closest after 1944 even after it was Serbianized. Slavist philologists ceded it with just 5 Serbian letters and then renamed to Macedonian-language in the autumn of 1944. Slavist schools in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia taught young Serbo-Bulgarian children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs or Slavic speakers. They were taught to think of Alexander the Great as Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs, forcing the Greeks to defend and protect their historic rights and cultural heritage.

Greeks are presently engaged in a name dispute with FYRoM involving the latters nascent Identity which they insist is Macedonian and rooted in classical antiquity, contrary to the overwhelming evidence. The conflict forces Greece to suffer the indignation of having to entertain FYRoM's competing claim to a single-Identity. Macedonia(n) denotes an ancient and archaic geographic-Identity, a regional-tribal Greek Identity used in the Hellenic world from since Millennia. Greeks have to live next to these brainwashed and Indoctrinated South-Slavic peoples who were taught in the Slavist schools of the old-Yugoslavia to hate Greeks and Hellenism. Extremist Makedonists in FYRoM concerned with demonstrating the continuity between ancient and modern Macedonians, deny that they are Slavs and claim to be the direct descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, contrary to the overwhelming evidence.
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Create a Macedonian country peopled by NoN-Greeks and you automatically create a Nation of South-Slavs wanting to excercise their self-determination right to Identify themselves as Macedonians...ethnically, racially, culturally and linguistically. This is what Greece is faced with if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a Macedonian Nation made-up of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs and you automatically take-away a very important self-determination right of Northern-Greeks wanting to Identify themselves as Macedonians in the regional and geographic sense. The Macedonia(n) name and Identity has been in use in the Hellenic world stretching back Millenniums. This is what Northern-Greeks have to contend with if FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are granted Macedonian status.

Create a Macedonian entity outside of Hellenism and you automatically become an enemy of it. I mean, you would become an enemy of the Hellenes, for Greeks would take offense and blame you for creating something unnatural, something that was never meant to be. This is what FYRoM's sponsors - supporters - backers are faced with, if they get to be successful in bringing their creation to the fore of political legitimacy.

Create a Macedonian Nation peopled by NoN-Greeks and you automatically create an internal problem for Greece...a problem which has the potential to destabilize the Hellenic Republic into civil war. This is what Greece may have to deal with, if FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters get their way. This is what the UN, USA, EU and NATO may have to contend with if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a NoN-Greek Macedonian country, then make it home to an assortment mosaic of peoples made-up of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, Turks, Albanians and Others, then award those disparate peoples Macedonian National-rights, ethnic and racial rights, and cultural-linguistic rights, and you automatically create at a stroke, their respective alter-ego minorities...in Turkey, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece, with rights to call themselves Macedonians. This is what awaites us if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a NoN-Greek Macedonian Nation and you automatically force Greece to recognize Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic peoples as Macedonians, with seemingly higher rights, above and beyond the rights of Greeks to the Macedonian name and Identity. This is what is in store for Greeks if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

To FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters, I say this:

There has never existed in historical verity, a Nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism...to create one now, peopled by NoN-Greeks is mischieveous and anathema for Greeks. Greeks would readily take-up arms to defend and protect their historic-rights and cultural-heritage. The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Macedonians are Greek, they have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom.

Who has got the bottle, the gall or the front to Rubbish This!
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Because Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, modern-Greeks claim the closest possible connections to them on the basis of fraternal ties, ethnic-racial ties and cultural-linguistic ties, not least, historic ties.

Greeks, therefore, have sole and legal right to Identify themselves as Macedonians, more right than the Slavs of southern Yugoslavia, who settled the Macedonian region at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Identified themselves as "Bulgarians" right up until 1944, but when they had their Bulgarian-language "Serbianized" then renamed Macedonian-language by a Croatian South-Slav going by the name Jozep Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia, and when he created for them, a Socialist Macedonian Republic from a South-Serbian province in 1945, they started to call themselves Macedonians.

Because the language spoken in antiquity by the ancient- Macedonians was a Hellenic language, the Slavic language spoken by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot possibly be called "Macedonian-language" on the basis, it is both problematic and confusing...not least to the children, pupils and students of that country, who have been raised to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, or Slavic speakers.

It begs the question:

Why in 1944, did those Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia, go to all that bother, to Serbianize then rename to "Macedonian" a western-dialect of the Bulgarian-language...Why ? I mean, Why did they do that ???

It begs another question:

Why in 1945, did those same Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia, go to all that bother, to rename the Vardar-Banovina province of South-Serbia to Socialist Republic of Macedonia...Why ? I mean, Why did they do that ???

What was it they had in mind, wanting to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs...

...ask any Greek, they will tell you!
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Awarding FYRoM's South-Slavic peoples Macedonian-Identity, will do a major injustice to the Macedonians of Greek heritage who form the majority. More than 3.5 million Macedonians world-wide Identify with Greek National-Identity and Macedonian regional-cultural Identity. These are the authentic-Macedonians and they do have the right to defend, protect and preserve their historic cultural Hellenic-Identity.

Awarding FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Macedonian-Identity, empowers them to monopolise the terms "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" exclusively at the International level, thus eradicating at a stroke, the rights of more than 3.5 million Macedonians worldwide, the use of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal, Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity.

Awarding FYRoM's disparate populace Macedonian-Identity, gives free-license to a minority over the majority. Their numbers constitute just 25% of the total demographic population of the greater-Macedonian geographic-region.

Awarding FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarians Macedonian-Identity, qualifies them, a minority, to impose hierarchical supremacy over the majority, thus rendering the Greek-Hellenic peoples ages-old Macedonian cultural-Identity null and void.

Awarding FYRoM's Slavic speaking South-Slavs Macedonian-Identity, entitles them to claim exclusive ownership of the terms "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" at the Internationl level, thus distancing those terms from Hellenism and their Hellenic primordial base.

To those who work tirelessly to award a NoN-Greek peoples a Greek-Hellenic Identity, I say this:

Greeks have the appetite to engage You...Fiercely! to spoil your vision to bring to life a NoN-Greek Macedonian entity at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks!
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For the benefit of those who still don't know...Macedonia is the name of the Hellenic Republics northernmost province.
It is the actual homeland of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, and the birthplace of Alexander the Great. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon today, is entirely within Greek-Hellenic borders and constitutes a large part of present day Greece. Macedonians, both past and present have always been Greek, and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom.

FYRoM's self-proclaimed "Macedonians" are nothing of the sort, they are South-Slavic peoples, with no real lineage or connections to the land or the peoples of Macedon.

Furthermore, these people called their current homeland Vardarska and Pirin, right-up until the start of the cold war, when under the orders of Marshall Tito and Comrade Stalin, the southernmost part of Yugoslavia got renamed to "Socialist Republic of Macedonia" for expansionist reasons. Slavdoms intentions were to take Macedonia away from the Greeks and occupy Northern Greek territory for the USSR, the then Soviet Union. Former United States Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, Jr., now prophetic words recorded for posterity said, "talk of a Macedonian-Nation is unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality" and "a cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece".

It was known about then, during WWII and afterwards, during the complete cycle of the Greek civil war which ended in 1949, that Slavdoms mind-architects had eyes for Northern-Greek territory to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, but for Greek objections. More Greeks died during the civil war years than through WWII years, testament to the resolve of the Greek Royalists who fought and died to keep Macedonia Greek.

Some of our Western partners and European cousins appear to have short memories...but Greeks No forget the damage Slavic-Communism inflicted on the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM's want to take the Macedonian name away from the Greeks is just a continuation of those failed previous attempts to do the same, only this time, the Slavs of FYRoM seemingly have some Western sympathies and support for their cause, much to the annoyance of the Greeks.
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When something belongs to you, and then it is taken away from you under dubious or whatever circumstances, that feeling is huge because you lost something, your loss and nobody elses. For example: The loss of a child, or the abduction of a child. Like when a child is taken away from you under dubious or whatever circumstance...that feeling is huge because you lost something precious, your loss and nobody elses.

Jannissaries...This term is used to describe the taking of Greek Christian-Orthodox children by the Ottoman-Turks who raised and converted them into fanatic Musulmen front-line Turks. In all Greco-Turkish wars, the Greeks had to kill their own children first to get to that eastern-oriental, asiatic, Musulman-Turk. These feelings nobody endured but the Greeks.

Like those eastern-oriental, asiatic, Musulman-Turks took away thousands of Greek children in order to raise them as fierce anti-Greeks, for front-line fodder against their own kith and kin blood-relatives, the Slavs did the same, when during the Greek civil war 1946 - 1949, thousands of Greek children were abducted by the combined efforts of some Serbo-Bulgarian Communist forces. Greek children were taken-away to the eastern-block Communist countries to be raised as fierce anti-Greeks, front-line fodder for future wars against Greece.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the progeny of those abducted Greek born children...they are now third generation fierce anti-Greeks bred for purpose, to hate Greeks and Hellenism.
To have your name taken-away under dubious or whatever circumstance can be likened to having your child taken away, or your woman taken away on the basis your adversary derives great pleasure in watching your pain. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs take great pleasure in watching Greeks squirm at their antics. When they erect a giant statue of an ancient-Greek hero for example, or rename an ages-old Slavic place-name with an ancient-Greek one...all of these actions are done purely to rile the Greeks, to watch them squirm and writhe with discomfort watching their history and heritage get rubbished by a peoples bred for purpose.

The Macedonian-name belongs to the Greeks. Greek ownership over the Macedonian-name is best depicted and Illustrated in just two simple words...Theme-Macedonia. The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...Nobody can Rubbish This!
Awarding FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs a Greek-Hellenic name would be the icing on the cake for those Slavists, who for ages schemed and plotted to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.
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To say that a regions history may belong to more than one peoples, especially when that region is the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, would be a true statement to make.

The Macedonian geographic-region today straddles over more than one country. All the peoples living there have right to share in the regions natural history and heritage. All of them though, in common, should recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms, the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the peoples who made that history.

All the countries touched by the Macedonian-name should, in common, recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms that the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek (Hellenic) domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage, irrespective of whether Greeks exist today or don't exist.

Greeks exist ofcourse. Todays Greeks can prove that only they can boast the closest possible connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...Greeks have competition though. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs vie and compete with the Greeks in that they tell us, they feel like genuine Macedonians, descended from the noble tribe of Alexander the Great. The key issue here is cultural-heritage, own the Macedonian-name and one inherits the legacy by default.

If FYRoM was awarded the Macedonian-name by virtue of International recognition, that action would implicate that the peoples there become bona-fide Macedonians, with legal entitlements to own the rights to the cultural-heritage bequeathed to the region by the original Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples of ancient-Macedon.

Greeks get annoyed that the International community affords FYRoM such attention. Greeks see themselves as the sole and legal, cultural and ethnic descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs contention that they feel like Macedonians also, has caused the matter of self-determination to become an inflamed issue which has reached the highest echelons of diplomatic office, involving the UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic community. The question everybody is asking is...why do the Slavs of FYRoM want to call themselves Macedonians. Ethnically and linguistically they are South-Slavs with close racial-ties to the Bulgarians.

It must be stressed...The term, Macedonia, acquired a geographic meaning rather than an ethnic meaning during the latin-Roman era when they established the province of Macedonia II Salutaris. The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon the Romans kept it Greek, seperate and distinct.

All the peoples inhabiting the Greek (Haemus) peninsula have right to share in the peninsulas history and heritage. All of them though, in common, must recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms, the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the ancient-peoples who bequeathed them that history and cultural-heritage. All of the countries except one, contest the Greekness of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...FYRoM vies and competes with Greece over Macedonian issues, not least, who has the highest ultimate right to the Macedonian-name.

Have the name - get the legacy for free. FYRoM fights for this. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs sincerely believe that their aim is entirely noble honourable and achievable, in spite of the overwhelming evidence.
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Hi there;
Nick the Geek
Greetings from the Slavic people ;-)




To the strongest!

After being asked, by his generals on his deathbed, who was to succeed him. It has been speculated that his voice may have been indistinct and that he may have said "Krateros" (the name of one of his generals), but Krateros was not around, and the others may have chosen to hear "Kratistos" — the strongest. As quoted in The Mask of Jove: a history of Graeco-Roman civilization from the death of Alexander to the death of Constantine (1966) by Stringfellow Barr, p. 6
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Hi there;
Nick the Geek
Greetings from the Slavic people ;-)




To the strongest!

After being asked, by his generals on his deathbed, who was to succeed him. It has been speculated that his voice may have been indistinct and that he may have said "Krateros" (the name of one of his generals), but Krateros was not around, and the others may have chosen to hear "Kratistos" — the strongest. As quoted in The Mask of Jove: a history of Graeco-Roman civilization from the death of Alexander to the death of Constantine (1966) by Stringfellow Barr, p. 6
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Hi there Slav dude...greetings to you!

Nice presentation of Slavic power...you must be proud.

Now tell me Slav dude...why is there one amongst you who claims Alexander the Great for Slavdom as the first Czar of the Slavs.

Should the Greeks sit back and watch them ridicule and humiliate Hellenism...or should the Greeks do what is right,
I mean, defend and protect what is theirs by inheritance, their historic-rights and cultural-heritage.

Power to the Slavic Peoples!

Long Live Hellas...Long Live the Greek-Hellenic Peoples!
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Macedonia is a cultural and historical region of modern day Greece. The ancient territory of Macedonia, including the most important historical sites are found there, in Northern Greece. There is only one authentic-Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon...and that place is entirely within the Hellenic Republics boundaries. Greeks have always existed in the region. History can verify and corroborate the continuous presence of Greeks in the region from ancient, medeival and modern times.

Even before Alexander I, Macedonians traced their ancestry to Argos. Macedonian kings used the head of Herakles...the quintessential Greek hero on their monetary coinage.

Euripides...the poet and playwrite, died and was buried in Macedonia. He wrote the play Archelaos, in honor of the great-uncle of Alexander, in the Greek-Hellenic language. Whilst in Macedonia, Euripides wrote the Bacchai, again in the Greek-Hellenic language and played it to sell-out Macedonian audiences.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

Can FYRoM really Rubbish This!
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The Idea that language is what defines a nation is proven false in the modern-age. Language though, if not the main ethnic-Identifying factor, then certainly, it must be one of them, along with culture, religion and traditions.

Language can be viewed as the catalyst that binds the thread of commonality from shared cultural-linguistic Identity factors. Without common-language to demonstrate ones pride in the sharing of past and present experiances, ethnic and racial ties, along with cultural-linguistic ones would be very difficult to explain.

So how can a peoples claiming to be the descendents of Alexander the Great, speak a different language to the one he spoke and still call it Macedonian-language.

The peoples of FYRoM are nice people, simple-hearted peoples, but they are governed by some wily and unethical, unscrupulous and very manipulative politicians. FYRoM's destiny is in their hands.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated wily politicians are determined to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian-name for their country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity in order to apply these Identity factors to Slavic speaking South-Slavs.

Macedonia is bigger than FYRoM. A part can never define the whole!

FYRoM sits on 38% of geographic-Macedonia...named that way by the latin-Romans, under Roman rule. There is nothing of real Macedonia there in FYRoM, it just carries the name Macedonia II Salutaris which means Second-Macedonia or Beneficial, added-on Macedonia. The real and authentic original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, the Romans kept Greek, seperate and distinct.

A 38% stake in geographic-Macedonian territory does not empower FYRoM with exclusive rights to adopt the name, usurp the history or monopolize the heritage - legacy of Macedonia. The Greek government has proposed a composite name, a name with a geographic preposition such as Northern-Macedonia for example.

The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in the as yet unresolved, still ongoing name dispute between FYRoM and Greece. So say the UN - EU - USA - NATO and World-Academia.
The average FYRoM guy is no more simple, or gullible as the average European guy. FYRoM's wily, unethical, unscrupulous and very manipulative politicians can no longer convince their own children - pupils - students to believe in the notion that their inappropriately misnamed Macedonian-language was the same language as the one spoken by Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. It is these people, the sole and legal cultural custodians of the ancient-Macedonian legacy FYRoM has to contend with.
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To suggest that the ancient-Macedonians were Slavic, or just Slavic speakers is going some...quite frankly, it is a suggestion too far. A name is a source of Identity so adopt the name, get the Identity for free, this is how the Slavist mind works in FYRoM, but how could they manage to get it this wrong. A name is a source of Identity, the Macedonian-name ofcourse, has been in use in the Hellenic world for Millenniums, it is only applicable to Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, a racial group, peoples of the same speech and of the same genous, an ethnic and racial, cultural-linguistic entity. How did FYRoM's Slavist mind-architects get it this wrong, I mean, to adopt a foreign name for themselves, a Greek-Hellenic name their race, their genetic make-up, their ancestry have no earthly link or historical connections too.

How did the Slavs of FYRoM come-up with the Idea to (i) name themselves Macedonians, (ii) to name their language Macedonian, and (iii) to name their country Macedonia when it is known at the demographic level they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Their language is a hybrid-concoction, a mixture of Serbian and Bulgarian more properly called Serbo-Bulgarian but inappropriately misnamed Macedonian-language. Their country in ancient-geographic terms was never Macedonia but Paeonia in the south and Dardania in the north, their Slavist school teachers did know that small historical detail until it was pointed out to them by reputable academics and scholars of classicist Graeco-Roman history.

Not one single historian on this planet equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Not one single historian claims the ancient-Macedonians were Slavic...so why do FYRoM's South-Slavs stake claim to the legacy of Alexander and the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.
South-Slavs must stop calling themselves Macedonian without clarification. It has to be pointed-out to them that real and authentic Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. These are the sole and legal cultural descendants the legal custodians of Alexander the Greats legacy. These are the Macedonians FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have to contend with.

Long live Hellas...Long live the Greek-Hellenic peoples.
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There is Nothing Macedonian in FYRoM...I mean, FYRoM is not located in the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon but made an extension of it, an add-on the latin-Romans adjuncted to the ancient-region for administration purposes. FYRoM carries the name only courtesy of latin-Roman rule. In fact, FYRoM is located on ancient-Paeonian soil south of Skopje and ancient-Dardanian soil north of it. Like I said, there is Nothing of real Macedonia there.
It must be stressed, Alexander the Great never set foot in Skopje. The authorities in FYRoM erected gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's the peoples there have no real links, earthly connections or historical ties to. The peoples in FYRoM are South-Slavs who's ancestral forebears settled the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

To make matters worse,FYRoM constitutes just over one third of greater-Macedonia, the enlarged and extended region the latin-Romans adjuncted the name for administration purposes. So FYRoM is home to a small part of geographic-Macedonia, covering just 38% of greater-Macedonian teritory. Nothing of real Macedonia is there...just the name. Macedonia II Salutaris is how the Romans named the region, it means, the Second-Macedonia, or the added-on beneficial Macedonia.

It just keeps getting worse for FYRoM. Quite evidently they are not Macedonians, at least not by land. By land they are merely Secondary-Macedonians and by race, they are Slavs from Slavdoms southernmost branch, akin to Serbians, but moreso to Bulgarians. Evidently, by land and by race, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians, at least, not in the real or authentic sense of the word.
As if it could not get any worse for FYRoM...even on the linguistic level we find that their language is in fact a Serbo-Bulgarian language. Serbianized (seeded) with just five Serbian letters in the autumn of 1944, FYRoM's Bulgarian language changes name to Macedonian-language courtesy of a Croatian South-Slav going by the name of Josep Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of wartime Yugoslavia.

Greeks are not to blame for exposing Slavdoms cruel, socially engineered exploitations and manipulations of their own children pupils and students. FYRoM's Slavist school indoctrination convinced young Serbo-Bulgarian children they were Macedonians on the basis, they live in a country called Macedonia and speak a language called Macedonian-language but we have proven, that by land, by race and by language, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs struggle to hold on to their indoctrinated belief, they are the sons and daughters of Alexander the Great and his father King Philip, the Macedonians of old, when confronted with the facts.

From the facts above, it becomes overtly noticeable that FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity is actually based on myth and fabrication, a socially-engineered, Ideologically-Inspired, politically-motivated Identity...Initiated on the will of those Slavists that demanded it, to see the greater region of Macedonia come under Slavic Communist control.
It has gone from bad to worse for FYRoM...Nobody gives the country a second look anymore, shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks and Macedonia. But more importantly, it is time now to learn the truth about themselves, who they really are from whence they really come from.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historical region of ancient-Macedon located in Northern-Greece...ask any world diplomat or global politician, or ask academics and scholars alike, they all say the same thing, Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Can FYRoM continue to Rubbish This!
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Macedonia, the extended-enlarged geographic region is much bigger than FYRoM, 62% - 38% respectively. The peoples living there, rightly refer to themselves as Macedonians in the geographic sense...this includes an assortment of peoples most of which are the Greeks, followed by the Slavs of FYRoM, then the Slavs of Bulgaria and lastly, the Albanians, all in that order.

All of the countries of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, recognize the term Macedonia(n) to denote regional-geographic Identity, not ethnic or racial-Identity, and certainly not national-Identity...all of them that is, except for one. FYRoM, the newest country in the peninsula is seeking to establish itself as a nation of Macedonians and touts for recognition on that basis.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs insist they are ethnic and racial Macedonians. They confound the problem by claiming they are cultural-linguistic Macedonians also, much to the annoyance of Greece, followed by Bulgaria, then Serbia, and lastly Albania, all in that order.

FYRoM has problems with all of it's neighbours bar one, Turkey. With Turkey, FYRoM has the best of relations, testament to the closeness between the peoples from both countries.

With Greece, FYRoM is in dispute over the name which Greece insists belongs in the Greek domain. With Bulgaria, FYRoM is in dispute over the racial status of the peoples there, Bulgaria insists they are ethnic-Bulgarians. With Serbia, FYRoM is in dispute over religious matters and affiliations to do with the recognition of the so called (MOC) the Macedonian Orthodox Church, an unrecongnized Church established by Atheist-Communists from the old-Yugoslavia. With Albania, FYRoM is in dispute over the Indigenous or exogenous status of the ethnic-Albanians there.

In the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, everybody sees FYRoM as the newest Slavic country wanting to establish itself there. All of FYRoM's neighbours see them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock...Nobody sees them as ethnic or racial Macedonians. Nobody sees them as cultural-linguistic Macedonians. Nobody sees them as a nation of Macedonians with roots and connections to the Macedonians of old.

Macedonians are recognized ethnically and racially as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, indigenous to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula. For as long as those autochthonous Macedonians exist, FYRoM is not permitted to use their name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language or ethnicity.

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