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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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From Mycaenean Proto-Greeks to Ancient-Greeks, to the latin-Romans, to the Greco-Romans, to the Byzantines...Todays Greeks inherit this heritage in wholly consistant, backwards-compatible fashion.

From the very first-Greeks to the Greeks of today, the Macedonian name and Identity remain integral to them, belonging to this collective and not outside of it.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claiming to be Macedonians in name and Identity rubbishes this notion and severs the thread of continuity that binds Greeks from across the historical time continuum. For there was never a period of history the Macedonians were not Greeks, if you follow me.

So when did South-Slavs become Macedonians without the Greeks knowing about it?

It can be likened to one finding out that he has numerous long lost relatives he knew nothing about until now, half-brothers and sisters from a different race...but when did this happen ???

The point is, it never happened. The Greek way of seeing it
is not the way FYRoM's South-Slavs see it. They see it much differently.

Macedonians in the FYRoM view were not Greeks or remotely related to Greeks but a different race, akin to Serbians and Bulgarians. Macedonians in the FYRoM view were Proto-Slavs, speaking the Macedonian-language the peoples of FYRoM speak today. Greeks, in the FYRoM view were always the enemy.

Greeks live next to primitive lowly educated peoples, right!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs believe they speak Macedonian, the same language Alexander the Great spoke during antiquity, that is why it is called Macedonian-language. They also believe they live in Macedonia, the same place where Alexander the Great and his father King Philip lived. They believe whole-heartedly that they are Macedonians, on the basis, they feel like Macedonian, they live in Macedonia and they speak the Macedonian-language.

Now who is going to explain to them, the peoples of FYRoM, the error of their view-point.
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Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were culturally and linguistically Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. They had as much in common with ancient Hellenic Athens as they did with ancient Hellenic Sparta, they were all integral to the Hellenic collective of peoples constituting >230 ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these and they need to be told that, in no uncertain terms.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, or were told they are. They can never be the Macedonians they want to be, on the basis, they are from a different race...they belong to the Slavic collective of peoples and that is a cultural-linguistic fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek, and Greeks have always lived in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...they belong to the Hellenic collective of peoples and that is a cultural-linguistic fact.

The difference is clear...Macedonians are Greeks from since the times of King Karanus. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are South-Slavs from since the times of the Slavic settlements of the the Eastern-Roman Empire.

FYRoM should revert back to it's pre-Makedonist name of Vardaska-Banovina...This is the original name of FYRoM when it was simply a South-Serbian province. Slavist-Makedonists renamed Vardaska-Banovina province to Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1945. The government of FYRoM should consider changing the name back to the original Vardaska-Banovina, in order to fasciliate an ending to the long running name dispute between FYRoM and Greece over the proper use of the Macedonian name.

Before 1944, FYRoM's language was simply Bulgarian and before 1945, FYRoM was known simply as Vardaska. The name dispute would end in an instant, at a stroke, if FYRoM reverted back to it's original provincial name of Vardaska-Banovina.

A small tweek can covert an otherwise provincial name to a full-blown country name...The Vardaska Republic is proposed to end the name dispute!
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10/21/2012 04:50 AM
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Here are two fundamentals FYRoM with it's backers sponsors and supporters have to contend with:

1...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain. The best demonstration of Ownership over that name is best illustrated and depicted in a map of the Byzantine Theme-Macedonia. No explanation required...right!

2...Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage. On the premis, no modern peoples are related to ancient-peoples. This line is one of FYRoM's favourites, that modern-peoples do not relate to ancient-peoples, giving FYRoM the space and the opportunity to claim the Macedonian name and Identity.

Those Two Fundamentals above destroy FYRoM's claims to the Macedonian-name and Identity.

There is only one modern country on this planet that can legitimately claim custodial responsibility for the ancient-Macedonian legacy...Greece, because the Hellenic Republic is recognized Internationally as being the one, sole and legal heir and inheritor of the Byzantine Empire.

Through the Byzantines, the modern-Greeks can trace their heritage back in wholly-consistant, backwards-compatible fashion back to the first Greeks...the Mycaeneans!

The Byzantines traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes, the Hellenes traced their heritage back to those Proto-Greek Mycaeneans. Thus the thread of continuity comes to the fore, be it fragmented, those chain links that bind modern-Greeks to previous generations of Greeks are still discernible.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...I challenge anyone to say otherwise.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...not those Serbo-Bulgarian ex-Yugoslavs that still live in FYRoM, a place previously known as Vardaska-Banovina, and before that
as a Villayet of the Ottoman Empire.

Note: The first time the Slavs of FYRoM used the Macedonian name to describe their land on which they reside, was in 1945, when a Croatian South-Slavs going by the name of Jozep Broz Tito renamed Vardarska-Banovina to the Socialist Republic of Macedonia...he did that to compliment a decision he took a year earlier in 1944, when he renamed the Bulgarian-language spoken in the region to Macedonian-language.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they want to be...different race!
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Before 1944 there was No Macedonian-language, and before 1945, there was No country called Macedonia. Both, the country and the language are in-fact, modern-phenomena, contemporary-constructs, constructed quite recently. Both were formed during the latter years of WWII in communist-ruled Yugoslavia. Expansion communist-style being the driving force to bring into existence, two things which never existed before in historical verity.

Macedonia existed ofcourse...but not as a seperate country to Hellas, or even as a standalone self-contained country in it's own right. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon existed as a Hellenic-Kingdom, populated by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Hellenisms Northern-most Greeks stood ready to defend and protect Hellenic borders from babarian attacks, invasions or incursions.

Under latin-Roman rule, Macedonia existed as a much larger, extended region. Paeonia and Dardania were added-on, adjucted to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon distinguished by the term Macedonia II Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia or added-on beneficial Macedonia. The Romans kept the ancient-Kingdom Greek, seperate and distinct reflected in the way they named it Macedonia-Prima.

There was never a country called Macedonia or a language called Macedonian-language...both were invented in 1944 and 1945 respectively by South-Slavs, working to an ages-old agenda to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe they speak Macedonian, the language of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...when in reality they actually speak a Serbianized form of Bulgarian, just five Serbian letters short from proper-Bulgarian.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe their country is real and proper Macedonia, when in reality, Alexander the Great never set foot in Skopje.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe they are Macedonians and that Macedonians were a Proto-Slavic peoples, speaking the language the Slavs of FYRoM speak right now...Serbo-Bulgarian.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks...Greeks in name only, not in substance.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe the West created the modern-Greeks in order to cheat the Slavic race from it's real history and heritage in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula.

Greeks live next to primitive lowly educated peoples that were bred for purpose to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Proto-Slavs.
Greeks have to live next to primitive ex-Yugoslavs who have become expert at taunting Greeks and ridiculing Hellenism on a daily basis.

In defense of Hellenism I say, enough is enough...Greeks should not have to endure such primitive, unsophisticated treatment of their race and culture. We shall defend and protect what is ours by birthright...We shall defend and protect Hellenisms cultural heritage Come Hell or High Water!
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10/23/2012 03:17 PM
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Contrary to their wishes, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are still viewed as Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, instead of the Macedonian label they wish to be known by. For 21 years, they have touted the International community to recognize them as ethnic-Macedonians, the Identity they wish to be known by...Internationally!

Contrary to their convictions, FYRoM's immediate neighbours know them only as Serbians or Bulgarians...more the latter than the former. The Macedonian label they wish to apply to themselves is rejected in their own neighbourhood.

Contrary to their misguided belief, the International community know them only as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. The Macedonian-Identity they wish to be known by, remains Illusive...too ambitious.

There is not one school, college or university outide of FYRoM that teaches Macedonians were South-Slavs or Slavic speaking peoples. History has always depicted and Illustrated Macedonians as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, and this is how the Macedonian name and Identity are assigned...the name is assigned in the Greek domain whilst the Identity is assigned to Greek heritage.

FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda has only served to brainwash the masses. Indoctrinated on Makedonism, the people there think of themselves as Macedonians and think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...or Slavic speakers.

Contrary to their wishes, convictions and beliefs...FYRoM, from the outside, is still viewed as a South-Slavic country peopled by Slavic speaking South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. This view is not about to change anytime soon.

Contrary to popular belief inside FYRoM, that they have absolute and legitimate right to the Macedonian name and Identity...in reality, they do not!

Human rights and the rights of modern-peoples to self-express or self-determine as they wish or see fit, is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments in favour of the rights of the local existing Indigenous peoples that already use the Macedonia(n) name for self-Identity, in the regional-geographic sense.

The Peoples of FYRoM declaring themselves Macedonians, is both problematic and confusing, Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been using that name for self-Identity from since the days of King Karanus.

Most learned people remain perplexed...they do not understand the reasons or the motive, why a Slavonic peoples would even want to use a Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity. Why a Slavonic peoples would even want to contemplate the use of a Greek-Hellenic Name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity remains a mystery!
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Alexander the Great was Slav.

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Alexander the Great was Slav.

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FYRoM's staunchest support comes from Turkey. It is said that approximately 4 Million Turks descend from FYRoM Slavic stock...Muslim-Slavs that found there way to Turkey, either by exchange or by seeking refuge.

The Balkan wars witnessed large movements of peoples based on their alotted ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations, which were often dictated by religion. Award FYRoM with the Macedonian name and those 4 Million Turko-Slavic Musulmen become Macedonian by default.

FYRoM could expand exponentially in population growth if circumstances favoured such action. The closeness between FYRoM and Turkey transcends religion or ethnogenic affiliations. The Slavic element rises above these divisions and always puts the Slavic cause first.

Turks from Slavic descent are many, more than the 4 Million that we know about from FYRoM Slavic stock. The Bulgarian-Musulman Slavic element in Turkey is also very numerous, to the point where more then 30,000 of them were exported to the Illegal and unrecognized part of Northern-Cyprus, which like FYRoM has problems with the Greek world and Hellenism. The most virulent forms of anti-Hellenic propaganda used by FYRoM are not home grown but rather outsourced, from elements in Northern-Cyprus and Mainland-Turkey.

Award FYRoM the Macedonian name, then make them a country, then a nation of Macedonians, then place them into the EU and NATO...now sit back and reflect at what you have just done!
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I did some research and it turns out, Macedonia is Greek.

Yugoslavia never had a Macedonian country in it until after 1945. Communists simply renamed the province of Vardaska Banovina to Macedonia and made it a Socialist Republic.

Same goes with their language. There was never a language called "Macedonian language" in Yugoslavia until after 1944. The communists created it by mixing the Serbian language with the Bulgarian language and with purpose, named it Macedonian language.

It's a farce when you look at it face on.

When a peoples have been bred for purpose, then unleashed into the outside world to show their hatred for all things Greek and Hellenic, what are the Greeks meant to do ?

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were caged-up in their own Socialist Republic inside the confines of the old-Yugoslavia, Greeks had no incline what lay ahead for them. The disintegration of Yugoslavia unleashed a very noxious hostile country on Greeces northern border, a country peopled by hostile anti-Hellenic South-Slavs the likes of which the Greeks never imagined existed.

It turns-out Yugoslavia was home to the most virulent form
of Greek-hating South-Slavs...evidently, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are lowly-educated peoples without-morals, without-scruples and without-decency.

Greeks have to live next to them. Everyday we have to endure their anti-Hellenic propaganda.

I say: enough is enough!

Greeks are ready now, focused like a lazer beam on FYRoM's Silliness...mobilized and ready to defend and protect their
national-history and cultural-heritage, Come Hell or High Water!
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FYRoM started something Toxic between Greeks and Slavs but is it all their own fault...lets investigate!

22 years ago, there was No animosity between Greeks and Slavs...both peoples appeared happy to be in each-others company.

22 years ago, there was No name-dispute between Greeks and Slavs...both peoples appeared content to be in each-others company.

Lest we forget...22 years ago, there was No FYRoM.

Come 1991 FYRoM declares Independence from a disintegrating Yugoslavia. The West welcome this neophyte fledgling of a country with open arms and make promises to protect the country through it's difficult times, until and as when it becomes established and fully integrated into the fold.

The Balkans in Western eyes was still unchartered teritory for the most of them...getting in there quick to establish new alliances was considered important at the strategic level.

Yugoslavia disintegrated and fragmented - spawning 7 new republics: (i) Slovenia, (ii) Croatia, (iii) Bosnian-Croatian Federation, incorporating the Srpska Republic, (iv) Montenegro, (v) Serbia, (vi) The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, and (vii) Kosovo.

One begat Seven...Yugoslavia expired in order that 7 new entities come into being, placed next door to each-other like a Jig-Saw Puzzle. There is No unity in fragmentation.
Greece is unfortunate enough to share a portion of it's Northern border with one of those 7 new entities, spawned from the break-up of the old-Yugoslavia...FYRoM!

From since FYRoM entered onto the world stage in 1991, it's backers sponsors and supporters sought to establish this new country as a Nation of Macedonians...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. A dirty propaganda was initiated. The Greeks were marked down for character-assassination. The Greek National-character went from being God fearing, Church-going Mediterenean with acuman for business entrepreneurialism to one of being lazy cheating southern-European.

To say that the character-assination of the modern-Greek was all done by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs is being frivolous and a little naive. Rogue elements within Greeces Western-partners and Europeasn-cousins played a significant role in that anti-Hellenic excercise.

So the West attempted to involve itself in the Balkan peninsula by setting-up protectorates in the region. FYRoM and Kosovo with protection could exist, but what are their real long term prospects without protection. The Balkans now, particularly the Western-Balkans are in a sorry state, see the list of names above to form an informed opinion.

Greece suffered colateral-damage from the break-up of the old-Yugoslavia, evidenced in the name dispute with FYRoM.In the absence of serious development plans for the Balkans, the region is left to wallow in it's own nostalgia. The West, having lost Interest there, show no real apetite to begin new planning...things remain stagnant and volatile, the way it has always been in the Balkans.
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The complexities of ethnic-tensions and religious tolerances in the Balkans, is nowhere more truely represented than in FYRoM. The natural-history, cultural-heritage and time-served traditions of the place reflect that...a place where a mosaic of exogenous-cultures made the geographic-region of Macedonia their home. The principle base-culture of the place can be found in Northern-Greece, where the historic-part, the ancient-region of Macedon is located. Greece is the primordial-home of original-Macedonia but the region grew under latin-Roman rule creating Macedonia II Salutaris to the north of Macedonia-Prima.

Today, the greater extended, geographic-region of Macedonia straddles over more than one country. Greece holds on to the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon which constitutes the largest share of 51% of the total teritory. FYRoM holds 39% of it, which equates to just over one third. Bulgaria holds on to just over 9% whilst Albania holds a miniscule 1%.

1...The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is held by the Hellenic Republic.

2...The largest portion of Macedonian teritory belongs inside Hellas.

3...The most populated part of Macedonia is in Greece.

4...Greece is the primordial-homeland of a base-culture, a material-culture and a host-culture all ancient-Hellenic peoples...>230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms subscribed.

These facts FYRoM ignores. The fact that FYRoM is a small part of a whole speaks volumes.

FYRoM is home to 39% of Macedonia II Salutaris, an add-on to the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. There is nothing of real Macedonia there, yet, the peoples of that newly emergent country hold on to the belief they are Macedonians on the basis, they live in Macedonia and speak Macedonian...neither of which is true, is it!
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If the measure of ethnicity was calculated in feelings, then the ancient-Macedonians were Proud-Greeks...the Proudest, most fanatical Greeks to exist. They defended and protected the Hellenic world from barbarian incursions invasions and attacks.

If Pride is the result from fostering feelings and collective memories common to Greeks and the Hellenic world...then, the ancient-Macedonians were the Proudestmost-Greeks, for they exported their Pride to the farthestmost reaches of the ancient-world.

Macedonians, both past and present have always been Proud-Greeks...Proud to have maintained that Greek language and that Hellenic culture. Very Proud of their ancestors, for initiating that campaign to free the Greek city states in the east, that found themselves under Persian subjugation.

Greeks are a Proud peoples...Macedonians are No exception.

When FYRoM ex-Yugoslavs use the Macedonian name for self-Identity...they are insulting Greeks by making a mockery of the achievements of their ancestors.

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Rubbish Greek history, they are Rubbishing Hellenism's contributions to world- history.

They took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!

Todays Greeks are Proud of their National-history and Cultural-Heritage. So Proud, we are prepared to defend and protect what is ours by historic-right, our cultural-heritage, our inheritance and nobody elses.
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Before 1913, the geographic region of Macedonia was under Ottoman Turk (control) ownership. The Greek beat the Turk in war, in battle and by conquest, to regain Macedonia (the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon) back for Hellas. The Bucharest treaty of 1913 made that process legal and binding.

The Turk never ever recognized Slavic owneship of Macedonia. The Turk, in-fact, acknowledged that he took Macedonia away from the (Rum) Greco-Romans. The Turk also acknowledged defeat in battle, and that meant he had to give Macedonia back to the Greeks.

Like the Turk, the Slav must recognize that Macedonia (the ancient-Kingdom) has always been Greek-Hellenic teritory, even when during specific periods of the past, the Slav had intermittant possession of Macedonia...brief posession, and only at various intervals.

For the Slavs of FYRoM to be taught that Macedonia belongs to them, the Slavs...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. This is a total-travesty of what has already been established and become common-knowledge, through the long mainstream historical-record.

During those brief historical intervals, when the Slavs had posession of specific areas of geographic-Macedonia, they never ever used the Macedonian-name for self-Identity, nor did they ever use the term "Macedonian-language," there was no such thing, it hadn't been invented yet. The first time we get to hear about a Macedonian-language was when the Croatian South-Slav, Marshall Jozep Broz Tito banded a group of Slavist philologists in 1944 to create it.

Autumn 1944, South-Slavs of FYRoM get a Macedonian-language to call their own...to call it by that name. Before 1944, it didn't exist, they had to make do with Bulgarian.
Before 1944, the all-pervasive Bulgarian-language prevailed in Vardaska-Banovina...FYRoM's previous name. Cyrillic-Bulgarian was used to engrave the Tombstones of their dearly departed. After 1944, those Tombstones had to be engraved using a new language, the Makedonski-language which had just been created for them.

How absurd it must appear, to bury Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs before 1944 and then, have to call them Macedonian speaking South-Slavs after 1944. Same people but different name choice for language. Slavists called it language-shift.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated rogue scholars, pseudo-historians
and specialist-propagandists tried to make the Hellenic race look bad, but in the event, they made themselves, the Slavic race, look even worse in the eyes of the world.
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Almost the entire population in FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are Macedonian by nationality and by descent, on the basis, they live on Macedonian soil and speak a language call Macedonian-language.

Amost the entire population in FYRoM are sold on the Idea the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was a distinct nation in it's own right, and that they, are the modern descendents of it.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea Macedonia was divided brutally in 1913, and that their fatherland is today, under Greek occupation.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are Macedonian by blood and by Dna, and that modern-Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks...Greeks in name but not in substance.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are ethnic-racial Macedonians, and cultural-linguistic Macedonians...empowering them to excercize their self determination right to use the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea Greece is an artificial nation, created by the West to cheat the Slavonic race from it's true history and heritage in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...which they equate to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. In their history books, Aleksandar Veliki is a Proto-Slavic hero and becomes the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive, lowly educated South-Slavic peoples...Sold on the Idea they Macedonians, with roots and connections to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall continue to educate them here, on the Internet and elsewhere, in the hope that one day...Slavdom does the right thing in taking that job away from the Greeks in order to bring it in-house, to educate their own Slavic peoples on Slavic history and heritage. FYRoM needs it,
in-fact, FYRoM is lost without it, forever condemned to walking the streets thinking of themselves as Macedonians and thinking of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.
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greeks are gays and homos. gayreeks are most stupid people on this world.

nick the greek lives in london and he is spamming this website with the same idiotic messages. he gets salary from united kingdom government just because of these stupid spam messages.

british people feed greek people with taxes. feed your dogs instead of greeks.
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The area we know today as FYRoM was actually called Vardarska Banovina. It was in 1945 that Marshal Jozep Broz Tito, the communist dictator ruling Yugoslavia, converted a province into a republic, naming it the "People’s Republic of Macedonia." In 1963, the name was changed to the "Socialist Republic of Macedonia."

After 1944, a systematic campaign was initiated to adopt for usurpation, the history and heritage of ancient Macedonia. Slavist orientated revisionist pseudo-historians from the "People's Republic of Macedonia" were commissioned to re-write history, to include ancient-Macedonian history according to the wishes of the League of Communists.

From since 1945 onwards, the peoples of FYRoM have learned to use the Macedonian name for self-Identity, but the name is Greek...it belongs in the Greek domain. Greeks have been using that name from since the times of King-Karanus, they are not prepaired to relinquish their usage of it in order to appease the Slavs of FYRoM.

Slavs are no Macedonians...they are a different race to the original Macedonians. Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, evidenced in the overwhelming massive stock-piles of historical data recorded for posterity in the long established mainstream historical narative.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should respect their Slavic heritage and leave the Macedonian one for the Greek-Hellenic peoples, the rightful custodians and sole-legal inheritors of it.

It doesn't take the Greeks to expose FYRoM's ethno-racial Slavic origins. The Yugoslavian Military Encyclopedia lists the ancestors of FYROM as Slavs, peoples of the first Slavic tribes of the Brsjaci, Draguvati, Smoljani, Rinhini, Velegiziti and others, that arrived in the area during the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

The history of the Slavic inhabitants of FYROM goes hand in hand with the history of the Bulgarian peoples, right up to 1913, for they started together by fate and they were forced to separate by politics.

The present day Slavic population of FYROM has nothing in common with the ancient-Macedonians. They are Slavs, a totally different race!
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When radicalised Albanians say: Alexander the Great was Albanian...it doesn't even register on the richter-scale of looney statements because the Idea is way-too preposterous to contemplate. Historian scholars and academics alike dismiss these wayward Albanian claims as wishful thinking.

When radicalised Bulgarians say: Alexander the Great was Bulgarian...people pay them no-mind, such statements are ignored because the Idea is simply way-too radical to be taken seriously. Historian scholars and academics alike disregard these Bulgarian claims as being delusional.

When radicalised ex-Yugoslavs say: Alexander the Great was Macedonian...accredited historians agree, he was the King of ancient-Macedon. At this juncture, it starts to get complicated because it must be pointed out, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs apply the Macedonian term to themselves for self-Identity. When that is actually realised at the academic-level, the reaction amongst historian-scholars and academics alike is one of subtle astonishment, then bewilderment turning to utter confusion. How can Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia be Macedonians they ask!

When Albanians say those silly things, they are simply ignored, on the basis, those claims are considered wishful thinking!

When Bulgarians say those silly things, they are shunned, on the basis, those claims are considered too radical to be taken seriously!

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs say those silly things, they are shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, on the basis, those claims are considered way-too opinionated to warrant comment.

In the Balkans, the peoples there begrudge the Greeks and resent them for having inherited the history and heritage of the Eastern-Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The Greek speaking (Romioi) peoples of that empire traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes, who traced their heritage back to Proto-Greek Mycaeneans.

Greeks live next to primitive politicised peoples, trained and prepared to despise Greeks for being Greek...hateful, resentful peoples, radicalised and bred for purpose to destroy Hellenism in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since Milleniums.

I say, the time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for things to come...The fighting spirit of the Greek has awoken, mobilized and ready, the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away!
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greeks are gays and homos. gayreeks are most stupid people on this world.

nick the greek lives in london and he is spamming this website with the same idiotic messages. he gets salary from united kingdom government just because of these stupid spam messages.

british people feed greek people with taxes. feed your dogs instead of greeks.
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[link to my.raex.com] Macedonians - Spartans - Athenians - Thebans - Cypriots - Corinthians -
Syracusans - Ephesians - Pontians - Cretens...>230 known ancient-Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms were peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. They shared much in common.

All of them Greek speakers...All of them Hellenic peoples!

When facing foreigners in battle...they were proud-Hellenes!

When facing their own in battle...they invoked their native regional-tribal name, the autochthonous-Identity of their ancestral forebears.

example:

An Athenian against a Persian is a Hellene...but, an Athenian against a Corinthian remains an Athenian.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity is fake...there is Nothing Macedonian about it but the name, acquired under somewhat dubious questionable circumstances.
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The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...

...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.
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Right to self-Identity is sacrosanct absolute, enshrined in the UN charter of human-rights. Nobody foresaw or imagined that one-day, this right would get misused and abused...as evidenced in the case of FYRoM - a newly emergent country which is home to a peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian heritage.

The world witnessed South-Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia lay claim to the Macedonian-name and Identity, whilst they invoked the UN charter of human-rights to uphold their right to self-determination.

Common knowledge: The Macedonian-name and Identity have a history associated with Hellenism. Greek speaking Hellenic peoples created the name and used it for self-Identity from since the times of King Karanus 808 - 778 BC. The name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Identity belongs to Greek heritage...This is the prevailing consensus amongst reputable historian-scholars of the classics.

FYRoM's right to self-Identity is sacrosanct absolute, but that does not signal the green-light for it's misuse, nor does it issue free-license to abuse that right.

When it is known at the highest echelons of academic and scholarly disciplines that the Macedonian-name sprang from the Hellenic world, it makes FYRoM's use of it disturbing.

FYRoM's use of an ancient-Greek regional-tribal name, is now viewed with derision amongst the learned peoples of this world, they look upon it as an abuse of the right to self-determination...on the basis, it crosses the lines of moral and ethical conduct.

Yes, everybody has the right to self-Identity, to self-determine the way they wish, feel or see fit...but the FYRoM case is unique in that it is realized now, the people there practice Makedonism, an expansionist-based Slavist doctrine which attempts to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs by manipulating simple-hearted, simple-minded people to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

It is an abuse of the UN charter of human-rights, to knowingly attempt a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks, laying claims to the legacy of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...when on every single Identity-factor they have proven to be Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM covets a name and Identity the Slavs there cannot have...on the basis, they are different race, a fact now acknowledged at the highest echelons of diplomatic - political and academic office.

With no political or academic support...FYRoM is in dire self-inflicted straits, a precarious state of affairs, shunted up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Macedonians and about themselves, about their true ethno-racial origins, history and heritage.
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Ancient-Greece was an unbelievably astonishing impressive place, inhabited by a fractious collection of peoples espousing >230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms...peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. Macedonians are an integral-part of this collective.

A Macedonian to an Egyptian was a Hellene, according to the
historical record.

A Macedonian to a Persian was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Hebrew was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Hindu was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Celt was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Phoenician was a Hellene, according to the
historical record.

All ancient peoples that came into contact with Macedonians recognized them and acknowledged them as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Who, in the modern-age came-up with the Idea they were Slavs
or something akin to Slavs or Slavic speakers.

Who, in the modern-age has got the gall, the front or the bottle to de-Hellenize them in order to award their ancient-Greek name and their Hellenic-Identity to a NoN-Greek peoples from Slavic heritage.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom.

Who, has got the front to Rubbish that!
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Contrary to popular-belief in FYRoM...there are no human-rights that stipulate, new emergent nations have the right to usurp existing-Identities, especially if a particular Identity already exist's and is just next door in a long established neighbouring country.

FYRoM covetts the Macedonian-name and Identity for self-determination purposes but Macedonians already exist...they are Greeks, and Greek have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. By pursuing these claims, the political leadership in FYRoM have overstepped the mark on moral-ethical issues, and matters pertaining to decency and respect.

In order to express some Macedonian credentials, the political leadership there in FYRoM embarked on a crusade to construct gigantic statues and classical-style Hellenistic architectural-monuments...most have been erected now but the results are dissapointing. Critics consider them a disnified aisthetic nuisance, this is how they have been depicted in the International press.

The Disney-fication of FYRoM has motivated some people in that country to ponder their international-image and their future...how they are viewed by the outside-world and whether the Theme-Park approach in Skopje is the right one for the country.

Everywhere in FYRoM, ancient-Hellenic themes adorn the streets boulevards and highways...often done in bad-taste, in very tacky settings. The rush to mark everything with Macedonian insignia, whether it be names or symbols, the end results are often shabby reflections of the originals.

Frantic actions to stamp everything there with Macedonian onomastics, for image purposes, in hope aspiration and desire that FYRoM's much covetted Macedonian-Identity shines through, has had the opposite affect...all of these actions have served only to highlight just how misplaced they are in FYRoM, a Slavic country chasing the Macedonian name for their country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity when everybody is telling them these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.
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Macedonian...this term denotes a primordial Greek-Hellenic regional-Identity which is still embraced by a considerable proportion of the peoples now populating the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Macedonian...this term is used to describe Greeks from the Northenmost region of Hellas. How confusing is it for the Macedonians of Greece, to have FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs wanting to use their regional-name for self-determination purposes.

South-Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia consider it their inviolable-right to use freely, a name of their choice, so they opted to use the Macedonian-name. They chose an ancient-archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name freely...this is the name they want to use for their new Slavic country, nationaltiy, language and ethnicity.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated mind-architects, converted an ancient-Greek, regional-tribal name, into a unique ethnic-racial term, citing, it is their inviolable right to so, invoking the UN charter of human-rights.

FYRoM has spent the last 21 years trying to establish themselves as a Nation of Slavic-speaking Macedonians...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. But for Greek objections, FYRoM is kept from achieving that goal.

Greece holds the moral and academic high-ground in the name dispute between the two countries...supported by the UN, USA, EU, NATO and the International academic community. All of these worldly-bodies and global-Institutions say the
same thing, that FYRoM must compromise. The Onus is on FYRoM to comprimise, to find a proper, more suitable name for the country and it's disparate peoples.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are...or the Macedonians they want to be. Real Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to describe Greeks, Northern-Greeks from the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Can FYRoM Really Rubbish This!
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FYRoM covets the Macedonian name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity...Identity factors which do not bode well the South-Slavs, which has plunged the fledgling country into an Identity crisis manifested in a name dispute with Greece over the use of a name, FYRoM has freely chosen for self-determination purposes. The problem for FYRoM is this: The country cannot enter the EU or NATO under it's freely chosen name of Republic of Macedonia on the basis, the political will to integrate FYRoM into the Euro-Atlantic economic and security area has all but fizzled out. The benefits for doing so have become minor to insignificant.

The general area of the Balkans have proven difficult to develop into something the West would recognise as being economically feasable or worthwhile. Plan after plan for restructuring the region, getting the right political parties on-side never materialized. Had this part of the planning been achieved, the pay-off for the West would have manifested in a peace dividend at the end, but none of these things were achieved and none are likely or foreseable as ever being achieved.

FYRoM is kept at arms length, at a distance because bringing it closer to the West benefits no-one! Politicians from across the political divide have abandoned the FYRoM cause as being unachievable. Integrating the country into Western economic and security structures have proven to be far to difficult. The stumbling block...The Macedonian name.

FYRoM's freely chosen name for self-determination is the one-singlemost factor which keeps the country from achieving it's Euro-Atalantic aspirations. It was a mistake for FYRoM to get into historical debates with Greece over Macedonian issues relating to the classical period, the roman period and the medievil period, when everything that we know has been long established and academically approved. Arguments with Greece over these historical matters are in fact, arguments with academia.

Greece politicised the academic world with significant numbers of historian scholars openly suporting the Greek positions visa vie, the name dispute issue. Politicians have their hands tied...they are unable to go against the teachings of academia on matters Macedonian. Their influence in championing the FYRoM cause cannot be tarnished by historical-revisionism and pseudo-history, the two main pillars on which FYRoM's so called Macedonian Identity rests upon!
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Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. Others bearing that name are Not Macedonians...at least, not in the Greek sense of the word.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs bear the name issued to them by Communist-Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia during the WWII years. On their will, did they acquire the Macedonian-name for their language and for their country...1944 and 1945, respectively. Before these dates, there was No language called Macedonian-language in Yugoslavia, and No country called Peoples Republic of Macedonia, these concept were created by Slavist mind-architects, purely Communist inventions.

Bona-fide Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples...from since the times of King-Karanus.

That Communists-Slavists were able to conjure-up a Macedonian entity within the confines of a Federation of South-Slavic states, bears testament to their cunning-skills, their planning-skills and their plotting-skills to undermine Hellenism in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

Macedonians have always called themselves Greeks to NoN-Greeks. To other Greeks, they were Macedonian, their native autochthonous name spawned from the Greek-Hellenic language.

Can Slavists, Communists or Free-Market Capitalists Really Rubbish This!
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Like the Turks, the Slavs of FYRoM share similar themes and synergies regards their ethno-genesys story. The Turk for example, scripted himself an ethno-genesys story which blurs the distinction between the ancient-peoples of Asia-Minor and the modern Turkistani speaking muslim-population which is found nowadays populating Anatolia.

Turkic-Turanids, revisionists and pseudo-historians, consider it fair to equate modern-Turks with ancient-Anatolians...on the basis, todays Turkistanis are an amalgam of all the peoples that set-foot on Asia-Minor soil. FYRoM's Slavist orientated revisionist pseudo-historians do the same with the modern-Slavic population of FYRoM, they equate the Slavic element in their biological make-up to be just one part of the amalgam.

But, is it really fair to suggest that eastern-asiatic, oriental Turkic-Turanids, are really descended from Hittites, or Lycians, or Phrygians. Is it really fair to suggest that the "Turkic-element" is only just one part of the amalgam which constitutes modern-Turk contemporary Identity. One would have to be a hardened propagandist, or a severely brainwashed individual...immersed in Slavist-based Ideology in the FYRoM case, or immersed in Turanid-based Ideology in the Turk case.

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who's respective Turkic - Slavic mind-architects prime-them and drive-them to think of themselves as being native and Indigenous peoples to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula and to Asia-Minor, when nothing is further from the truth.

In order to compensate for their foreign - exogenous origins, both Turanids and Slavists scripted themselves similar ethno-genesys stories, which are way inconsistant and incompatible with their actual, real-time, ethno-racial Identities. Turks are known to have eastern-asiatic, oriental beginnings, whilst the Serbo-Bulgarians of FYRoM are known to have Slavic beginnings.

In their pseudo-scriptures, Turanid themes merge with the Slavist ones...both Turkic and Slavic revisionist pseudo-historians share synergies which make their respective races leap-frog back to a time in pre-history, a time before the making of the Proto-Greeks, as Hittites and Trojans in the Turanid case, and Phrygians and Macedonians in the Slavist case.

Greeks live next to foreign - exogenous TurkoSlavic peoples who evidently, appear to be hell-bent in wanting to eradicate Hellenism from it's primordial homeland...the Greek (Haemus) peninsula!
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FRYoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot claim to be a peoples that exist in another country, nor can they be seen to be usurping another peoples native tribal-name...neither can they wantonly claim the territories of a neighbouring country as being "occupied-territories" with impunity, or without consequences. These hostile actions rightly bring-on reactions, from the very peoples those hostilities were aimed at. FYRoM's hostile actions directed towards Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples have been duly-noted at the highest echelons of diplomatic office.

Hostile Action No 1...FYRoM, a newly emergent Slavic-country from 1991, claims the Macedonian-name to be their freely chosen name, the name they wish to use for their own self-Identity and for self-determination purposes. The problem for FYRoM is this: The Macedonian-name is known to have originated in the Hellenic world from Greek speakers using a Hellenic (Centum) language. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a South-Slavic peoples speaking a Slavic (Satem) language mischieviously and inappropriately named to Macedonian-language in 1944.

Hostile Action No 2...FYRoM used anti-Hellenic genetic propaganda to portray Greek Dna as African. State-sponsored genetic tests were initiated using Spanish haematologist A.Arnaiz-Villena. The results were rigged to cluster Greek Dna in with an African sample, something which could not be repeated in European-wide genetic tests using Greek Dna.

Hostile Action No 3...FYRoM invited a Pakistani Hunza Prince to their Slavic country in order to hail him as one of their own...as a descendent of Alexander the Great, their ancestor. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were seen to be prostrating themselves in the Press and Media, in adoration and in total humility. Europeans witnessed Yugoslavs getting down on all fours to prostrate themselves in front of an Asian Pakistani, something real European Greco-Macedonians would never do.

Hostile Action No 4...FYRoM erects gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's, like Alexander the Great and his father King Philip of Macedon in Skopje, their capital city, a place they never set-foot.

Hostile Action No 5...FYRoM renames Slavic street names to ancient-Greek names to rile the Greeks.

Hostile Action No 6...FYRoM promotes revisionism and pseudo-history in order to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs, where ancient-Macedonians become Slavic-speakers racially akin to Slavs.

There were many many instances of hostile actions FYRoM directed at Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples, all of them done for the gratification-factor, to see the Greek peoples squirm at their actions, knowing they had support from a world community sympathetic to their cause, but that was then and this is now.

FYRoM now, has been abandoned...shunned, shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the peoples there learn the truth about Macedonians and about themselves, like who they really are, and from whence they really come from.
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alexander was not greek, he was macedonian.

he maybe was "Hellenized" with culture and language but his race/ethnic wasnt greek.
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alexander was not greek, he was macedonian.

he maybe was "Hellenized" with culture and language but his race/ethnic wasnt greek.
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[link to my.raex.com] Hellenic Tribes.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...

...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should respect that, right!