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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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From since the advent of FYRoM onto the world-stage, the Greeks have witnessed hostililties directed at them, their race, their culture, their skin-colour, their religion, their Dna, their history and their heritage...as if there existed a concerted effort to undermine Greeks, Greece and Hellenism in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since time immemorial.

So I take my hat-off to the guy who wrote these now prophetic words...

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.

On the back of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, Greeks have witnessed all of those anti-Hellenic elements listed above, come to fruition before our very eyes.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being neutralized, caged and locked, into financial-alliances designed to shackel the Hellenic Republic in for the long term.
Before our very eyes, Greece is being neutralized in order to limit the reactions of the Greek-Hellenic peoples to events which are yet to come...events which in themselves shall prove to be detrimental to Hellenism and the Hellenic cause.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being forced to conform to the will of International-Financiers. Under the cloak of International-financial assistance, the social-cohesion of the Hellenic Republic is being dissmantled in order to create fragmentation.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being choked, denied the loan-funds required to initiate sustainable-development in the Greek economy. Prospectors - Speculators - Ratings-Agencies working in tandem, in common-cause, preventing Greece from accessing International-Finance.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being suffocated in order to keep the peoples there comatosed on depravity and destitution, to keep them moot and passive, to keep them from distinguishing themsleves and to prevail.
Before our very eyes, Greece is being forced to chase the wealth of some Rich-Greeks who Bank abroad. French politician (Lagarde) supplying the sinister list of names for the Greek-State to hound and to chase. Make Rich-Greeks poor, then sit back and watch Greece develop, go forward or prevail. The Idea of going after Rich-Greeks, under the cloak of Tax redemption is a Sinister-Idea, borne from devious and deviant minds.

To those who want to see the Hellenic Republic Nondescript,
Unimportant and Insignificant I say This:

The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.

Rich-Greeks stand Ready to Assist...Their Wealth is for Hellenism, not for Lagarde. The use of their Wealth is to ensure the survival of the Greek-Hellenic-Nation for years to come.
Nick the Greek
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11/04/2012 10:01 AM
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The pursuit of universal knowledge is a virtue. The job for aspiring academics is to acquire knowledge in order to become knowledgable, at least, in a specific discipline of their choice. When historian scholars become accredited, their teachings on the subject should be taken seriously.

For centuries, the worlds accumulated-knowledge on the classics have always been dispensed in prestigious-universities, science-museums and other state or private learning institutions...nowadays though, that knowledge is available in peoples homes on their lap-top computers through the Internet.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] When 372 of the worlds most reputable historian-scholars of the classics, decided to put pen to paper in support of the Greek positions visa vie, the name dispute issue with FYRoM...their actions should be taken seriously.

World-diplomats and global-politicians who for political expediancy, threw their full weight behind the recognition of FYRoM as "Republic of Macedonia," suddenly found themselves at odds and on the opposite side of the International academic fraternity...a world body of accumulated knowledge.

It took historian-scholars of the classics to tell politicians, that what they was doing with FYRoM was wrong.

FYRoM is Not Macedonia but Paeonia, in ancient-geographic terms...Politicians did not know this vital-snippet of information because their field of expertise did not cover the classics or basic Greco-Roman history.

Now that world-diplomats and global-politicians have been fully briefed and knowledgable on the subject...visa vie, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, things have changed! FYRoM is not given a second look anymore!
Nick the Greek
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When it is realized that (i) FYRoM constitutes only 39% of the territory covering the greater-Macedonian region, and that (ii) FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs make-up only 25% of the geographic-regions population, and that (iii) the remaining 75% of the population there, claim Macedonian-Identity also, in the regional-geographic context...it kind of puts FYRoM in it's place, as a small insignificant claimant to an Identity it is actually a minority of. The majority 75%
strongly object to FYRoM's 25% minority putting in a claim for exclusivity over the Macedonian-name and Identity.

If the greater-Macedonian geographic-region is to be viewed as a something resembling a contiguate monolith, then FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs form only a small [39%] part of the whole. Natural-law dictates that the smallest-part cannot be used to define the biggest-part.

Macedonians in their overwhelming majority are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...the actual Kingdom of Macedon, where Alexander the Great was born.

When it is realized that FYRoM is actually playing games with the International community, making wild, invalid and inconsistant claims to things it, as a newly emergent country, has no real legitimate rights to...it kind of puts the International community on the spot, not knowing which way to turn or how to handle the situation.

FYRoM's case is a peculiar one, it is quite unique in that, never before in the history of mankind has one race of peoples ever attempted to usurp exclusively, the name and Identity of another peoples...a neighbouring peoples, who form the majority and can trace the usage of their native regional-tribal name back to the ancient-Greeks.

When it was realized that FYRoM was in-deed and in-fact, playing games with the International community, stretching their claims to the brink...the world gave-up on them.

The International community no longer give FYRoM a second look.
Nick the Greek
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FYRoM's claim to fame stems from a naming-dispute it has been engaged in, for the past 21 years with a neighbouring country...Greece. FYRoM opted to use an ancient and archaic,
Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for self-determination purposes. The Macedonian-name is known to have originated in the Hellenic-world from Greek speakers practicing Hellenism. It was that Greek-culture and that Hellenic-civilization the Western-world adopted for their own culture of choice. Had FYRoM opted to use it's original name of "Vardar-Banovina," the newly established country would not have any claim to fame. FYRoM would not be half as famous! FYRoM's claim to fame is down to one thing and one thing only...the Macedonian-name.

FYRoM's claim to fame rests soley on it's geographic proximity to Greece, butressed on Hellenic northern-borders touching the historic-region of ancient-Macedon. This newly emergent Slavic statelet in the Balkans, vyes and competes with Greece over numerous historical issues, retorting angrily, that Greece has been attributed with far too much ancient-history undeservedly, that some it should be shared around with others from the Balkan (Haemus) peninsula.

FYRoM strenuously contests recognition of achievements attributed to ancient-Greeks, when they should have been attributed to other ancient-peoples. In FYRoM's view, Greece stole everything from the Egyptians and other ancient-cultures, not giving Greeks one-iota of credit for their contributions to world-history.

Greeks live next to primitive, hateful, resentful and spiteful peoples on their northern-border...bred for purpose, to hate Greeks and to belittle Hellenism.
To those who want to see the modern-Greeks ridiculed and humiliated I say This:

The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.

Long Live Hellas...Long Live the Greek-Hellenic Peoples!
Nick the Greek
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Looking back...Nobody could have predicted the extent to which FYRoM was prepared to stoop in order to promote the Idea, Alexander the Great was a Proto-Slav rather than an ancient-Greek.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures littered the air-waves and the ether of the internet, all media platforms were covered. FYRoM's revisionist rogue-scholars plastered their pseudo-historical Slavist-orientated pseudo-scriptures
everywhere...coverage went viral as they say in the media-world.

In addition to having their history and heritage rubbished, the Greeks had to endure FYRoM's racism. From the period 2004 - 2008, the Greeks were treated to a continuous barrage of verbal-taunts and racist-comments, badmouthing them on their anthropology, race, skin-colour, Blood-Dna, religion, language, culture and traditions. This is the extent to which FYRoM's Slavists stooped to make the Greeks look bad and themselves good, the innocent victims of Greek barbarity...this was they way they wanted to portray themselves on the international-stage and to the outside-world.

FYRoM was not alone though, they were aided and abetted by some of Greeces Western-Partners and European-Cousins who had interests in the Balkan region...more business, than anything to do with academic or political-correctness.

Mostly though, FYRoM was aided and abetted by Turanid orientated Turkics who had rhyme reason and motive to assist in the character-assassination of the modern-Greek. Global media coverage was achieved through Turkeys one-time strategic partnership-alliance with Israel, a middle-eastern super-power with global media assets the Turkics made absolute and thorough use of.

Political expediancy almost awarded FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country, the Macedonian-name...at the expense and total exclusion of Greeks. Greek concerns were discounted by some in Europe until a private initiative by historian-scholars and academics alike, banded together to defend historical-verity.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] Who dares go against the teachings of this academic body!

World diplomats and global politicians have discounted expediancy for historical-truth...FYRoM is no longer given the time of day or even a second look!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!
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For the Slavs of FYRoM to have inherited a hybrid-language born from the merger of both Serbian and Bulgarian, and then intentionally getting renamed to Macedonian-language in the autumn of 1944, was mischief-making in the extreme. I mean, Why do that in the first place? What was the motivation?

FYRoM acquired the Macedonian-name for their language in 1944. The same, acquired the Macedonian-name for their country one year later in 1945. These are anti-Hellenic actions...Nothing more than this! Slavdoms attempts at making Macedonians out of South-Slavs, for future use against Greece.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain, this is academic reference-point No 1. The Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage, this is academic reference-point
No 2. When these fundamental reference-points are firmly understood, everything is doable! The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece gets resolved in an instant...at a stroke!

To argue, that the Macedonian-name is a phonetic product born outide the lexicon-boundaries of the Greek-Hellenic language, like something exogenous to Hellenism is being rather mischievious...Greeks take that mode of argument to be intentionally-ignorant of classical-history.

1...Dismissing the archaelogical-evidence!
2...Intentionally ignoring the facts!
3...Rejecting what has long been established!
4...Renouncing the mainstream historical narrative!

Adhere to that list above and Greeks shall consider you to be anti-Hellenic.

FYRoM is the most anti-Hellenic country in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...and the most Turkocentric!
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There is no doubt, the legacy and the cultural-heritage of ancient-Macedon gets onward-transmitted, passed-on, to the nowadays modern-Greeks...on the basis, Alexander the Great spread Hellenism. The Hellenic Republic boasts sole and legal cultural-custodian of all things Hellenic. The Hellenic state of today has recognized historic-rights over the Macedonian-name, the history, and the cultural-heritage of ancient-Macedon.

It should be noted that Southern-Greeks refined the Greek-language and developed the Hellenic-culture, but it took the Northern-Greeks to export Hellenism, that dominant and resiliant civilization to the farthestmost reaches of the orient and the ancient-world.

There can be no doubt, the cultural-heritage of the ancient-Macedonians belongs to the nowadays Greeks. Lest we forget, it was a Northern-Greek...Alexander the Great who exported Hellenism, and on this basis, it gives the Greeks of today exclusiveness to the ancient-history of Macedonia.

There can be no doubt, the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain, whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...academic reference-points to quell the doubters.

The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was a Greek-Kingdom. All of the regions Hellenic elements Greece boasts sole and legal ownership of...however, Macedonia today is an enlarged and extended region, it straddles over more than one country.

Macedonia today is a geographic term, a region that spreads over Greece 51%, Bulgaria 9%, and FYRoM 39%.

Greeces 51% constitutes the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Bulgarias 9% constitutes Pirin, there is Nothing of ancient-Macedon there, it just carries the name.

FYRoM's 39% constitutes ancient-Dardanian lands North of Skopje and ancient-Paeonian lands South of it. There is nothing of ancient-Macedon there but a slither of unredeemed pelagonia, nowadays Bitola.

From since the times (6th Century AD) when the first Slavic tribes settled there, until the final days of the Ottoman Turk Empire...Macedonia has been home to Byzantine-Greeks,
Serbs, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Jews, Turks and Others.

Today, everyone living within those extended geographical borders of Macedonia is a Macedonian...a regional-Identity regardless of nationality or religion. Macedonia(n), when this term is used, it is used to describe regional-geographic Identity not ethnic-racial Identity, and certainly not National-Identity. Lest we forget, there was never a Macedonian-Nation peopled by NoN-Greeks in historical verity.

There is no doubt...the ancient-Macedonians have gone down in recorded history as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

There can be no doubt...the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was an ancient-Greek Kingdom.

There is absolutely no doubt...the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain.

There is absolutely no doubt...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Before the 6th Century AD...Greeks reserve the right to defend the Macedonian regions Greek-Hellenic elements. After the 6th Century AD, Greeks do not deny that other foreign, exogenous peoples settled there on Macedonian soil and laid down roots.

The Biggest Lie: FYRoM is a Nation peopled by ethnic-Macedonians! They (Slavists) stretched this lie to the brink!
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here comes the flag :D

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@hey OP
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When I'll stand on my head Am I from Monaco or Indonesia?

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FACT: Russia did not exist at the time of Vikings.

FACT: Vikings did not settle in Prussia. There was active amber trade road to the north and hardly relationship could be hostile. Germans conquered it during North Crusade when Viking era was over.

"Viking" name is not specific to the Nordic. Prussian kings were called Vyting-as. "Vyti" means to fend off, and "vytis" knight (old expression) or (modern) Lithuanian coat of arms. Russian name is passed from Prussia through noble family relationship. Prussia and Russia, names told by different languages sound the same. Russian oldest chronicle "Radvilu kronika" (Radziwill Chronicle) is translation from Lithuanian chronicle (Lithuanian noble family chronicle) where Ukrainian (Kiev or ancient name Kaunogardas) king Rurik is called similarly (it is not the same). You simply do not call king from abroad to rule you, but they did (from Prussia) as they did remember ancient empire before Hunnic invasion. It did not mean Vikings were there. Anyway is it Russian history when it is clearly Ukrainian history?

Russia did not exist before Ivan the Great with events 1460-1494. They started from Moscow religious war, proclaiming as Third Rome and getting in one way or another Novgorod 1478, Yaroslavl 1463, Rostov 1474, Tver 1485, Vyatka 1489, Pskov 1510, etc. These areas were not only culturally and ethnically different.

FACT: This name comes from Prussian town in the delta of Nemunas. It was important trade hub in ancient times. It means "glowing". Look at German name to find something familiar.
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Map from the late Scythian empire times.
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You are not stating facts, just political views. Very known from the time of SS divisions within your country.

We just have digging in Macedonia and found that Alexander the great has proto Slavic origin.

You see, it was THAT SLAVIC PEOPLE WERE ANCIENT PEOPLE.
You say today Slavs, but before they were Veneti, Vendi.
From that name comes today Venecia (Venetia) and Viena (in roman times was Vendena).
All toponims in Romania, Hungary, even in Finland bear proto Slavic names.
Why is it that I can Understand Vedic language and sanskrit, and in the same manner as in Slavic languages , the verbs end with ti.
Avestan Language i can understand 80 percentage. This says something of the roots of Persia as a Empire.
THE GOTHS, OR SHALL I SAY KOSSAKS (GOATH ON LATIN IS KOZA IN SLAVIC) WERE SLAVIC.
Rus people , are just a OF SHORE of this Slavic world.
Sweeden or Suebi or Suerbi is Slavic name for the god of warriors SORBON.
If you analyse today 320 million Slavs and Sweden, a country of 5-8 minions, IT IS VERY CLEAR WHO GIVE WHO INFLUENCE AND IDENTITY. In the past One of the Gothic (Slavic) tribes came to Sweden and mixed with the population.
PRUSSIA EQUALS RUSSIA, or po Russia, means along Russia. In the same manner as Po Merania , or Po Morania , means along the See in my language.
That is because Russians were considered all Slavs in one point of history, even the Polish people. Polish language is almost the same as Rus language.
We, the Slavic people have unfortunate destiny to be separated by religion. Before Vatican existed Slavs were much west, till Denmark, whole East of Germany Berlin was Branibor.
However this will pass, and One day All Slavic people will be united.

There is an ancient Persian story (before Islam) about Rostam and Sorab. Rostam had a son called Sohrab,who betrade him , taking Turk side in the wars. This goes MILLENIA AGO.
That is how Rus people are old.
The teriroty of Serbia in the middle ages was called RAS KA , AND THE PEOPLE RAS ANI.
Slavic name Ras, Ros, Rusi, Routsi, Rusi etc. means THE AGRARIAN PART OF THE SLAVIC POPULATION.
SORA, SERBI, SORBONI, SORABI, SERES, MEANS WARRIOR CASTE.
KOSSAKS, GOTHS, KAZAKS, KAZAKSTAN, KOZACI MEANS WARRIOR CAST (people who keep goats).
POLISCH, POLANI, MEANS FIELD PEOPLE,(PEOPLE FROM POLE) OR PEOPLE FROM THE FIELDS, OR AGRARIAN PEOPLE.
UKRAINA, MEANS PEOPLE FROM THE KRAJ, OR PEOPLE FROM THE BOUNDARY, OR PEOPLE FROM SOME country. HERE IN BALKANS YOU HAVE SEVERAL KRAINAS, AND KRAISNIKS.
SLOVAK = SLOVEN = SLAVONIA = SLAVIC PEOPLE.
MACEDON = PEOLE FROM HIGH MOUNTAIN
BULGARIA = BELGARIA= BEL ARIA = WHITE ARYANS (NOT IN THAT SENCE but totally opposite of your countries teachings)
ETC. ETC. ETC.

WHEN SPEAKING OF Rus people, you should consider analising ALL SLAVIC PEOPLE. DO NOT FALL DOWN TO VATICAN AND GERMAN PROPAGANDA. WITHOUT FACTS, WITHOUT LOGIC, WITHOUT SENSE OF REALITY.

SLAVA SVIM SLOVENIMA

BOROMIR, SKOPJE, MACEDONIA

ps. Ancient Philip , the father of Alexander founded the city of Macedon, named Pella. Pella is not corect. P and B are interchangable in Greek , therefor Bella City was the real name of the town. This is the same name as Beo Grad, Beli Gorod, Bio Grad today in all Slavic Lands.
It means White City.
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Good job Boromir;although Nick the Geek will have a heart-attack; misdoubt


peace Slava=Glory

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The Slavic creation legends slightly vary in dependence on the region they come from (Serbia, Slovenia, Russia, Poland, etc.). Swarog or Svarog is the Slavic sun and fire god. In the Slavic religion, Svarga is heaven. In Sanskrit, Svarga is heaven too.


Slav-Aryan Vedas
Santees are the most ancient of known documents. Originally „Perun’s Vedas Santees’’ were called as Vedas, but there are mentions of others Vedas in them, which even at that time, i.e. more 40.000 years ago, named Ancient and which either are lost, or stored in secluded places and not disclosed for any reasons currently. Santees reflect the most secret Ancient Knowledge. It is possible even to tell that they are archive of knowledge. By the way, Indian Vedas is only a part of Slav-Aryan Vedas, transferred by arias about 5.000 years ago to India."
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Thaks for the song.

We have one very credible oracle here in the Balkans, from Bulgaria.
She said SLAVS WERE FIRST WHITE RACE PEOPLE ON EARTH. THE MOST ANCIENT. AND THE HISTORY OF SLAVS IS MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAT WE CAN IMAGINE !!!
This is hidden for us to know from so called Mambo Jumbo "City of London" UN (UNESCO) directed, History.

Slava Svim Slovenima.

Boromir, Macedonia
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Hey Nicky ...just quoting' and bumping
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To the Greeks in the diaspora, it appears as if the Slavonic peoples are so in love with the ancient-Greeks they want to become them, or at least a portion of them. The
Modern-Greeks they no really care about. To the Slavs, the modern-Greeks are not real Greeks in their view but titular Greeks...Greeks in name only, not in substance.

To the Slavs, here I mean South-Slavs ofcourse...Greeks were created by the West (1829) in order to cheat the Slavonic peoples from their true history and real heritage in Greek (Haemus) peninsula.

To the South-Slavs, Greece is a Western invention, created by the West in order to halt Slavdoms expansion southwards, thwarting the Slavonic Navies from accessing the warm-water ports of the Northern-Aegean sea.

To the Greeks, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are seen as the victims of Slavdoms crued attempts at social-engineering, the by-products of Slavdoms cruel methods at ethnic-manipulations.

To the Greeks, FYRoM's Serbians and Bulgarians confessing to harbouring Macedonian ethnic-feelings and collective-memories rooted in classical antiquity...is proof of the above statement.

To the Greeks, it appears as if Slavdoms mind-architects instilled in the minds of some Serbians and Bulgarians, the Idea they are Macedonians, Indoctrinating them in Makedonism a now outdated Slavist-based expansionist-Ideology who's beginnings can be traced back to the establishment (1878) of the Bulgarian-Exarchate.

To the Greeks, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the tin...South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

To the Slavs of FYRoM, well they have been Indoctrinated to think of Greeks as anything but Greek. For them, modern-Greeks are not Greeks at all but Black-Ethiopians mixed with Christian-Turks, Albanians and Vlachs...including Slavs, a large number of rogue Grkoman-Slavs who sold-out and became modern-Greeks.

To the Greeks, FYRoM is Slavdoms creation, created by Slavist mind-architects with purpose and intention to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, by stealth or by military means...the Greek Civil-War (1945 - 1949) witnessed both Serbians and Bulgarians cross-over into Greek territory with intention to aid Greek Communists tear Macedonia away from Hellas and to place it in Slavic hands.

To the Greeks, FYRoM is a hostile country, nesting hostile anti-Hellenic Slavs Indoctrinated on Makedonism...taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive - brainwashed South-Slavs, taught to hate Greeks and Hellenism. I say, give them Nothing...from them take everything, No Mercy, No surrender!
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I can't believe this thread which asks a stupid question is still alive.
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If the Slavs of FYRoM are under the impression, there is still a chance for them to usurp the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, they are
mistaken...there is no chance for them to take that name away from the Greeks. FYRoM's claim is now viewed as being non-valid and no longer taken seriously, however much they plead for internationl recognition under the Macedonia(n)name. In the clearest possible terms understood in the world of diplomacy, the general consensus generated is for FYRoM to compromise, to find a proper, more suitable name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.
When the UN, USA, EU, NATO and the International Academic Community are all saying the same thing...that FYRoM should compromise in the name-dispute it has been engaged in with Greece, the politicians there should take the feedback seriously.

The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise...this is the next step!

If the Slavs of FYRoM are under the impression they can still swing it in their favour, to get the international community to recognize them as a nation of NoN-Greek Macedonians, with roots and connections to ancient-Macedon and Alexander the Great...they are mistaken.

There has to be movement otherwise FYRoM shall stay in the same place, a place of it's own making...Shunned and Shoved-up a Siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there are permitted to learn about Macedonians-proper, and about themselves, like who they really are and from whence they really come from.

Macedonians are the Greeks who still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. For as long as they exist...Nobody else is allowed to use their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name for self Identity or for self-determination purposes.

Really now, show me a world-diplomat or a global-politician that is still prepared to award FYRoM, a Slavic country, the Macedonian-name...at the expense and total exclusion of the Greeks. They No exist, right!
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In FYRoM, every other street name there is assigned Alexander or Philip, these are the most common, but Cyril and Methodius are just as common. Ancient-Greek names are much sought after in FYRoM, they can be found adorning huge-statues archways and monuments lining the streets, roads, boulevards and highways there...not to mention stadiums and sports-arenas, even international-airports. The Greeks shouldn't mind, they should find it quite flattering that a neighbouring country even wants to use Greek-names for their streets and place-names.

The Greeks do mind though, they mind because the people there in FYRoM, deny those names are Greek in the first place.

1... [link to www.behindthename.com]
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In FYRoM, everything Greek-Hellenic is converted to take on the name Macedonian because this is the name they want to use for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.

In FYRoM, the people there do not recognize Greeks as being the sole and legal heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Hellenic, Macedonian legacy.

In FYRoM, the people there have been taught to consider Greeks and Macedonians being two different races of peoples.

In FYRoM, they deny Alexander the Great his Greek-Hellenic Identity. They do the same to King Philip of Macedon, and to Cyril and Methodius...the two Greek-Byzantine Monks who
in medievil-times, Baptised, Christianised and Civilised the Slavic tribes into Greek-Orthodox Christendom.

In FYRoM, the peoples there have been taught to deny the Greek-Hellenic peoples their rightful history and heritage in their own primordial-homelands...the Greek [Haemus] peninsula.

In FYRoM, the peoples there have been brainwashed on Makedonism...Indoctrinated to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

The Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall continue to shove it in their face at every opportunity...the overwhelming evidence from an abundance of primary and secondary sources which place the Macedonian name in the Greeks domain and assigne Macedonian-Identity to Greek heritage.

Greeks have to do this because Nobody else will do it for them!
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No matter how many statues of Alexander the Great and King Philip of Macedon are built there in FYRoM, nobody is going to believe that they were Slavic.

FYRoM, a Slavic-Nation competing against Greece, a Hellenic-Nation, over seemingly trivial matters concerning ancestral-inheritance, cultural-heritage and historic-rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy...two nations at odds over the use of a name. Both Greece and FYRoM find themselves stuck in a position where neither of them can back down.

For Greece, the preservation of the name has become a potent patriotic symbol, with an ever increasing apetite to keep it in the Greek domain...public opinion there demands it.

For FYRoM, the preservation of the name has become a matter of national survival...without the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, the state ceases to exist, with the peoples there having to revert back to their Southern-Slavic Serbo-Bulgarian tribal-names.

It's more difficult for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs in that they do not see themselves as being either Serbian or Bulgarian, in mind, body or soul...having been sufficiently seperated from both of them from since 1944, when the Peoples Republic of Macedonia came into being on the demands and the will of the ruling Communist elite which governed Yugoslavia during WWII.

For Greece history is important. One need not walk long distances in Hellas to encounter something physical from the distant-past. Modern-Greeks are reminded constantly and repeatedly, every morning they wake-up...who they are and . from whence they originate.

The burden of having to defend the virtues of Hellenism the Greeks should not have to do alone...Western Civilization owes Hellenism something.

Greeks can not permit the Slavs of FYRoM to usurp the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...even if they are transitional-Slavs, Slavs that have been sufficiently distanced and seperated from their original Serbo-Bulgarian roots and ethno-origins. Their search for Identity, rooted in classical-antiquity can be found in ancient-Paeonia, or ancient-Dardania, FYRoM sits on those ancient-lands.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity pales in comparison to the Paeonian-Identity they could have, or the Dardanian-Identity they could have...out of those three, FYRoM chose the wrong one, the worse ill-fitting Identity they could possibly chose, on the basis, the Macedonian-Identity does not bode-well with South-Slavs, even the ones that are in transition searching for new Identity to replace their old one, their old Serbo-Bulgarian Identity.
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The political consequences for FYRoM chosing the Macedonian-name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity have been devasting for this recently established Balkan statelet. The Greeks objected immediately to FYRoM using an ancient-Greek, regional-tribal name to describe themselves both ethnically and nationally.

Whilst it is perfectly understood, countries wanting to establish themselves in todays modern and complicated world have absolute sovereignty to determine their own name, freely and without outside - foreign interference...nobody ever envisioned the situation where a newly emergent country would elect to adopt for usurpation, the name of another peoples, a neighbouring peoples, as evidenced in the FYRoM case.

FYRoM chose freely, an ancient-Greek name to describe their newly established Slavic-country. The Slavic-peoples there want to use the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...making themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and national context.

It took the Greeks to expose FYRoM's wanton preemptive strike, at taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks under the banner of human-rights and the cloak of self-determination.

Breakaway entities wanting to establish themselves as new country's in this world, have absolute sovereignty to do so, but common-courtesy and common-sense dictate that you chose something original, something applicable only to you, yourself as a breakaway entity. FYRoM did none of those things...FYRoM found it chance and took the opportunity to go on a diplomatic preemtive-strike at taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks and Hellenism.

There is no doubt, the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain. There is no doubt, Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...FYRoM ignored these reference-points and paid the price for it's opportunistic attempt at converting something Hellenic into something Slavic.

Macedonia has always been intrinsic to Hellenism and an integral part of the Greek-Hellenic peoples as a whole, only harderned propagandists or a severley brainwashed individuals attempt to de-Hellenize them in order to become them. FYRoM is a nation Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an Ideology which attempts to convert Hellenic things into Slavic things...but for Greek Objections!
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Only natural things can survive in nature, in natures-world...natural-law demands it, dictates it. To want to establish a Macedonian-Nation outside of Hellenism, and to want to people it with NoN-Greeks is unnatural, it is not natural to want to do that, it contradicts natural-law, but it was attempted anyway.

Nobody fought harder to establish FYRoM as an independant [NoN-Greek] Macedonian-Nation than Turkey...the staunchest supporter of their cause. FYRoM owes Turkey a debt of gratitude but Turks were not the only ones to back the FYRoM cause. After some heavy-duty encouragement from the sponsors - rogue-scholars appeared, writing their own unique pseudo-historical accounts of the classics, whilst FYRoM's specialist-propagandists turned the history of the Macedonian-region upside-down. They made well known ancient-historical personalities like Alexander the Great, King Philip and Czar Samuel from medievil-Bulgaria, ethnic-Macedonians! FYRoM with Turkey, plus the backers, sponsors and supporters of their cause made Greece and Bulgaria the enemy initially, then Albania and Serbia later.

FYRoM, surrounded by enemies...the 4 Wolves as they were known, needed protection against them. In essence, FYRoM became a Balkan protectorate for the backers, the sponsors and those who supported the cause, to establish a [NoN-Greek] Macedonian Nation in the Balkans. Almost immediately, it was realized, it was impossible to protect a country like FYRoM from the likes of those 4 Wolves. The FYRoM cause was abandoned and Turkey lost Israel, a strategic-partner the Turks made good use-of. But that was then, and this is now...the Ambo Pipeline and other such energy supply routes are still being sketched and worked-on, but without FYRoM being the focal-point or the center of attention. In essence, FYRoM's strategic-importance in the scheme of things has diminished greatly to the point where the country now, is beneath the radar.

FYRoM does not get a second-look anymore...the country is kept at arms length, at a distance, it's importance in the scheme of things does not register anymore.

In the Greek [Haemus] peninsula, the important countries have always been Greece - Turkey, with Serbia and Bulgaria kept a close eye-on.
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Today we are seeing an attempt by FYRoM to snatch the proud history and cultural-heritage of another peoples, a neighbouring peoples...the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have no shame, they have nothing in common with conceptual or cultural Macedonia and nothing to do with Greeks or Hellenism. The Macedonians of old spoke Greek, a Hellenic Centum-language. They walked and talked like Greeks and did things in accordance and in the same manner like the rest of them, >230 known ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms.

FYRoM evidently, is a small Slavic-country, populated by Slavic-peoples speaking a Satem Slavic-language proven to be linguistically the closest to Bulgarian-proper but for five Serbian letters added by some Slavist-philologists back in 1944 war-time Yugoslavia. Communists renamed an otherwise Serbo-Bulgarian hybrid-language to Macedonian-language.

It's obvious isn't it, FYRoM is meant to adopt the name "Macedonia" in order to give itself indigenous-native status in the Balkan (Haemus) peninsula. The name will add some backround-context, the historical-culture it lacks, and then, at some point into the future, an established more confident FYRoM gets to claim that "historical-culture" to expand its territories into Northern-Greece.

FYRoM's destiny, the reason for it's existence is to acquire the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes. There is absolute purpose behind it, to adopt for usurpation the Macedonian-name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity, the complete guide to Identity-configuration. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs become Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense, cultural-linguistic sense and in the national-sense, at the expense and total exclusion of the Greeks.

FYRoM has taken us to brink of our national tolerances. Why should the Greeks tolerate such hostility, such primitive behaviour from a small neighbour-country. Greeks have right to protest against FYRoM's anti-Hellenic actions. Our pride is our National-history and cultural-heritage...the Macedonian componant of it playing a major significant role.
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True Macedonians are from Northern-Greek stock and of Northern-Greek descent. For them, the Slavs of FYRoM are viewed as being opportunist culture-thieves attempting to usurp their ancestral-inheritance and cultural-heritage by claiming they are Macedonians, and that Macedonians are somehow different from Greeks.

True Macedonians have to endure this type of anti-Hellenic propaganda from Vardar-Slavs, this is their old provincial name before they rebranded to become Macedonians in 1945. They have been lied to for so long, FYRoM's young Slavic children actually believe they are Macedonians, on the basis they live in a country called Macedonia and speak Macedonian...a language concocted from the hybridization of Serbian and Bulgarian. Vardar-Slavs portray themselves as Macedonians with roots and connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

True Macedonians get riled having to listen to FYRoM's lowly-educated young people confess to harbouring ethnic-feelings and collective memories for ancient-Greeks.

True Macedonians know that the educated-classes in FYRoM get a high from rubbishing Greece and Greek-history, the thrill for most of them is in opposing Greece on historical matters and the gratification-factor for them is in watching Greeks squirm at their antics. Those thrill-highs and gratification-highs they glean are fast wearing thin because for many in that country have voluntarily weaned themselves-off the narcotic effects of Makedonism, the Ideological doctrine which has so captivated the minds of Slavdoms young people.

To confound it all, FYRoM's prior benefactors had no choice but to drop sponsorship backing and support for the cause, which in the end was based on falsifications of Graeco-Roman classical history and FYRoM government lies about their own history...manipulated and distorted to serve an illegitimate purpose.
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November 20th, 1991. On this day, FYRoM became an
independent country in it's own right. Up until then it had existed as a Socialist-Republic within the confines of a Yugoslav Federation. In its constitution, the new state dropped the Socialist part of its Yugoslavic name and entered onto the world stage as "Republic of Macedonia." Greece objected, now this newly established Slavic country has to use a name they dislike..."The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" or FYRoM for short. For Greeks, real Macedonia, the historic-region lay in Northern-Greece. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, the borders were well defined even then: according to the ancient-geographer Strabo.

There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the parts of Thrace that are contiguous to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the places geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace which borders on it and extends as far as the mouth of the Euxine and the Propontis. Then, p329a little further on, Strabo mentions Cypsela and the Hebrus River, and also describes a sort of parallelogram in which the whole of Macedonia lies.

Macedonia is bounded, first, on the west, by the coastline of the Adrias; secondly, on the east, by the meridian line which is parallel to this coastline and runs through the outlets of the Hebrus River and through the city Cypsela; thirdly, on the north, by the imaginary straight line which runs through the Bertiscus Mountain, the Scardus, the Orbelus, the Rhodope, and the Haemus; for these mountains, beginning at the Adrias, extend on a straight line as far as the Euxine, thus forming towards the south a great peninsula which comprises Thrace together with Macedonia, Epeirus, and Achaea; and fourthly, on the south, by the Egnatian Road, which runs from the city Dyrrhachium towards the east as far as Thessaloniceia. And thus the shape of Macedonia is very nearly that of a parallelogram.

What is now called Macedonia was in earlier times called Emathia. And it took its present name from Macedon, one of its early chieftains. And there was also a city Emathia close to the sea. Now a part of this country was taken and held by certain of the Epeirotes and the Illyrians, but most of it by the Bottiaei and the Thracians. The Bottiaei came from Crete originally, so it is said, along with Botton as chieftain. As for the Thracians, p331the Pieres inhabited Pieria and the region about Olympus; the Paeones, the region on both sides of the Axius River, which on that account is called Amphaxitis; the Edoni and Bisaltae, the rest of the country as far as the Strymon. Of these two peoples the latter are called Bisaltae alone, whereas a part of the Edoni are called Mygdones, a part Edones, and a part Sithones. But of all these tribes the Argeadae, as they are called, established themselves as masters, and also the Chalcidians of Euboea; for the Chalcidians of Euboea also came over to the country of the Sithones and jointly peopled about thirty cities in it, although later on the majority of them were ejected and came together into one city, Olynthus; and they were named the Thracian Chalcidians.

Can FYRoM Really Rubbish This!

Why do the Slavs of FYRoM fight hard to Rubbish Western-Civilization!

Alexander the Great spread Hellenism, the Hellenic-culture, Greek-language, know-how, thought, ideas and wisdom eastwards, throughout the ancient-world in what is now known as the Hellenistic Period of history.

Alexander the Great was perhaps, the single-most important person in western civilization, and the one person future Europeans aspired to emulate...the military genius future strategists looked-up to and used for reference.

Why do the Slavs of FYRoM want to Rubbish This!
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FYRoM is a New Country, this is a fact. A Newly established country without history is just that, a New Country. Without Macedonia in their name...FYRoM has No history to call their own. A Country must have history to justify it's presence, otherwise without history that country must declare itself as a New Country just starting one.

FYRoM is the classic case in question here...established November 1991. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a Newly Emergent peoples who have freely excercized their human-rights and sovereign-right to self-Identify themselves as Macedonians and to self-determine their New Country as Macedonia.

The problem is this: The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. The history of Macedonia, and the legacy onward-transmit, they get passed-on to the Hellenic entity representing Hellenism in the modern-age. The Slavs of FYRoM are not Hellenic to claim Macedonian-ancestry and Alexander the Great was not a Proto-Slav, in-fact, he preceded the Slavs by almost a Millennium.

On the name issue, the Slavs of FYRoM Abused their sovereign-right and the UN human-rights charter when they freely chose an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity. When a Slav from that New Country casually calls himself ethnic-Macedonian for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, he is taking something away from Greeks and Hellenism. But that is the whole point of their existence, to take Macedonia away from the Greeks!

Alexander the Great spread Hellenism, the Hellenic-culture, Greek-language, know-how, thought, ideas and wisdom eastwards, throughout the ancient-world in what is now known as the Hellenistic Period of history. The Macedonian legacy is for Greeks to cherish, to hold dear...not for the Slavs of FYRoM to Rubbish, under the banner of human-rights and the cloak of self-Identity or self-determination. FYRoM is the first country in the world and in the history of mankind to take another peoples name in order to claim it for their own, in the ethnic-racial context and in the cultural-linguistic context...because the UN charter of human rights caters for new countries to have sovereignty over their freely chosen self-Identity and self-determination name.

FYRoM Abused those rights...right! It's Not right, that the Slavs of FYRoM were given the attention and the recognition in the first place, by the very institutions who are now keeping them at bay, at arms length, at a distance. FYRoM must be stripped from the Macedonian-name...on the basis, it doesn't bode-well with South-Slavs!
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During antiquity, Macedonia was a Greek-Kingdom inhabited by Northern-Greeks and ruled over by a succession of Greek monarchs which included King Philip of Macedon who's son Alexander the Great spread Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture thousands of miles eastwards into the orient and beyond. In those days Macedonia was a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-lingual place where Illyrians, Thracians, Celts and Dacians
intermingled under Greco-Macedonian rule. The Greek language and Hellenic culture dominated there, above and beyond the languages and cultures of others...The Greekness of the Macedonians was recognized acknowledged and enshrined in peace treaties between barbarians and Macedonians.

Through-out history, whether during classical-antiquity, from ancient-Greece to the rise of Rome, and from the decline of the Roman Empire to late-antiquity and from the migration-period to the middle-ages right-up to Byzantium, Macedonians were signaturies to many a treaty. The Greekness of the Macedonians was never in question, contested or dispute until FYRoM entered onto the world-stage in the modern-age during November 1991.

From since FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs proclaimed themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense...Greeks have been locked in dispute over the Greekness of Macedonians through-out history, from ancient-times to the present.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar...where they scripted themselves a history and a heritage so crude and so crass one cringed at the sight of a South-Slav proclaiming himself a descendant of Alexander the Great, a lifelong Greek-speaker who spread Hellenism to the far reaches of the ancient-world. That FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs had the gall, the front and the bottle to go live with such unsophisticated revisionism and pseudo-history speak volumes about their intelect and how easy it was for some to manipulate them.
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Macedonian-Identity is neither ethnic-Identity or National-Identity as FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs would have us believe.
Macedonian-Identity is regional Northern-Hellenic Identity.

The Slavs of FYRoM have found a way to self-Identify after a Greek-Hellenic territorial place-name with intention to adopt it for usurpation. Territorial self-determination conflicts are conflicts where people-groups from more than one ethnic-racial backround live together in close proximity forming territorially concentrated common Identity, and where one of those groups stakes claim to the whole territory on the basis of exclusivity.

By making a geographic-term, ethnic, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs take first-step to becoming important claimants to a territorially concentrated Identity used by more than one ethnic-racial people-group.

Macedonian-Identity is regional geographic-term from since the coming of the latin-Romans to the area. Romans extended the size and shape of the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon for administrative purposes. The latin-Romans recognized and acknowledged the Greek-Kingdom by naming it Macedonia-Prima, keeping the territory seperate and distinct from the added-on, extended parts which they named Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris.

The history of Macedonia is so familiar to us now, it makes FYRoM claims to Macedonian-Identity appear like wishful thinking, a somewhat erroneous belief that their wishes are in accordance with reality.
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The Hellenic peoples of Greece are right in wanting to block the South-Slavic peoples of FYRoM from claiming the legacy of ancient-Macedon. The ancient-Greek kings of Macedon, Philip and his son Alexander the Great, founded one of the ancient-worlds greatest empires. Their legacy onward-transmits to Hellenisms modern representatives in the modern age...todays modern-Greeks.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these, they differ from Macedonians at the ethnic-racial level and at the cultural-linguistic level to be taken seriously as possible contender. Macedonians hail from Hellenic tribes, from Dorian Greek stock, same as the Spartans, both are part of Greek history, they have nothing to do with the peoples or history of FYRoM.

FYRoM, staking a claim to the ancient-Macedonian legacy is viewed by modern-Greeks as a shameless act, opportunism, a preemptive strike at taking Macedonia away from Hellenism in order to make it Slavic.

It must be stressed: The Slavs of FYRoM are a proud and beautiful people but they are not Greek, nor are they descended from the ancient-Greek kingdom of Macedon...this is not meant to be a sermon, just a fact of history.

The Hellenic peoples of Greece are right in wanting to defend their historic-rights...they are also right in wanting to protect their cultural-inheritence, the legacy of ancient-Macedon.
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There exists strong historical evidence which suggests, the ancient-Macedonians along with the ancient-Spartans originate from Dorian-Greek stock...that makes them Hellenic peoples.

There exists strong historical evidence which suggests, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs originate from Southern-Slav stock...that makes them Slavic peoples.

FYRoM Slavs have been living next to Greeks in the greater-Macedonian region for 14 Centuries...that makes them Slavic peoples from Macedonia.

FYRoM Slavs use those details to excercize the right to call themselves Macedonian, by virtue of birth and location. Born in Macedonia from Slavic parents who's forebears settled the greater-Macedonian region from since the 6th Century AD.

FYRoM Slavs consider the 1,400 year presence of Slavic speakers in the region of Macedonia long enough to stake a claim to the regions history and heritage...stretching back to the classical period and beyond.

Greeks have witnessed the Slavs of FYRoM lay ancestral and inheritance claims to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks have seen the Slavs of FYRoM erect gigantic statues of both King Philip of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great right at the center of their capital city Skopje, a place they never visited or set-foot.

Greeks have stoodby and watched the Slavs of FYRoM rename their streets, roads, boulevards and highways, and watched them christen their new-build sports venues, arenas and stadiums after ancient-Greek names.

The Greeks have endured 21 years of provocation!

The self-determination rights of FYRoM for a freely chosen name and Identity, does not automatically supercede the right of Greeks to defend and protect their history - heritage and cultural-inheritance.

The recent history of FYRoM is complicated, far too complicated to warrant them claiming Macedonian history as theirs on the basis of an acquired name from a purely regional affilation.

Macedonia(n)...this term describes the Greek peoples that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. The name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Greeks get annoyed when FYRoM Slavs attempt to use it in the ethnic-racial sense and cultural-linguistic sense, when it is known these Identity factors do not bode well with Southern-Slavs who's ancestors affilated more with Bulgarians than Serbians. 19th Century statistical data from a wide range of sources, including eyewitness accounts and testimonies, indicate the majority of the peoples in what today is called FYRoM, freely self-determined as ethnic-Bulgarians.
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The reluctance in FYRoM to recognize Alexander the Great as the Greek King of Macedon, is matched on par with the resistance there to acknowledge the ancient-peoples of Macedon as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. The educational system in FYRoM seperates Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks and blurs the distinction between the terms Greek and Hellenic. Greeks are not Hellenic...according to the Slavs of FYRoM.

In FYRoM, the children - pupils - students there are taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. They are taught to view Greeks as having Ethiopian origin, different from the ancient Hellenic peoples they are supposed to represent.

In FYRoM, the educational system there teaches young Slavic children to think of Greece as a Western creation...created
by the Western Powers to cheat the Slavonic race from expanding southward, towards the northern shores of the Aegean-Sea.

In FYRoM, they see Greeks as Turks, as Ethiopians, as Vlachs, as Albanians...in-fact, anything but the Hellenic-peoples they are supposed to represent in the modern-era.

Greeks live next to primitive, lowly educated Southern-Slavic peoples indoctrinated on Makedonism...a Slavist based doctrine which teaches young Slavic children to see Slavic things in ancient-Macedonians. Alexandar the Great becomes Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs and Hellenic-Macedonians become Proto-Slavs.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall use every conceivable academic and political tool available to combat their indoctrination...the people there in FYRoM are not to blame, it is the educational system there, that is to blame.

If FYRoM's educational fascilities taught the mainstream version of our common-history, we would all be on the same-page and the same-chapter from our common-European history book, knowing exactly who the ancient-Macedonians related to in antiquity and which modern people-group today represent them.

De-Hellenizing the ancient-Macedonians in order to make them Slavic, is the worse crime commited against Hellenism to date. To want to alter the demographic history of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...to eradicate the Macedonians Hellenic Identity in order to superimpose on them a Slavic one, is a crime against Hellenism and an major-insult to the Greek-Hellenic peoples who represent them in the modern-age.

There are ways to wean indoctrinated peoples off from the doctrine they are on...it is called education, and FYRoM's educational system needs a thorough overhaul inspection, to bring it into line with the European standard.

If it was made clear to them through European-standard education that Macedonians were of Dorian stock, same as the Spartans, all of them Greek speakers, Hellenic peoples, and that they still exist today as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...that information should suffice in ending the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, where the South-Slavs there insist on using the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.

Macedonians have always been Greek...Greek-speakers and Hellenic-peoples. They still exist today. They can still be found living in the same place, in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. So I ask: Who has got the gall, the front, or the bottle to de-Hellenize them, to take their name, to eradicate their Hellenic Identity in order to make it Slavic.

It takes an ignorant politician to want to award a very ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name to a South-Slavic peoples indoctrinated on Makedonism.

I say put FYRoM's children - pupils - students through a 3 year mainstream history course and watch them come out the other side as better informed South-Slavs...better informed about Greeks but more important, better informed about themselves, who they really are and from whence they really come from!
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Re: Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav
Demographers - Philogists - Anthropologists - Ethnogenists - Linguists - Balkanologists - historians - all say the same thing...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs hail from Slavdoms Southern branch. They are the Slavic-speaking descendants of those Slavic tribes that decided to settle the Byzantine Greco-Roman Empire from since the 6th Century AD.

West-Slavs - East-Slavs - South-Slavs - all say the same thing...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a Slavic speaking peoples that hail from Serbian - Bulgarian stock.

Greeks - Rumanians - Albanians - Serbs - Vlachs - Bulgars - Turks - Croats - Slovenes - Montenegrins - Bosnians - Kosovans - Austrians - Hungarians - all say the same thing...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it say on the tin, South-Slavs.

The above intances serve to remind us, with whom it is we are actually dealing with...a pretty powerful Indictment of FYRoM's Identity. The Indictment rests on a number of specific factors pertaining to their ethnic-racial Identity and to their cultural-linguistic Identity. A stark reminder that FYRoM is peopled not by Macedonians from the Greek sense of the word, but by Slavs from the South-Slavic sense, Slavdoms Southern-branch.

When all of FYRoM's neighbours know them as Slavs and call them by that name, and when all of FYRoM's minorities know them as Bugari and call them by that name...the pretence should stop, because they are fooling nobody, insisting to be called by a name recognized as belonging to the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain because it was born from Hellenism, from Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage same as Spartan-Identity Athenian or Corinthian or Thessalian or Cretan or Epirot or Cypriot...must I list all 230 of them.
When your immediate neighbours know you as Slavic, and when the greater surrounding neighbourhood know you the same way, there is no denying it, hiding it, or disguising it.

FYRoM is Slavic, peopled by Slavs from Serbian - Bulgarian stock with a large Albanian minority, the Macedonian-Identity it covets does not bode well with it's Slavic heritage and to deny that, would be where FYRoM is right now...in a kind of denial-stage, a transitional-stage to a Macedonian-Identity half-way between Slavic and Hellenic, where Slavic things get fused or confused with Hellenic things.

FYRoM's transitional journey, from Slavic-Nation to Macedonian-Nation takes something away from Greeks and Hellenism...their Hellenic history - heritage and cultural-inheritance. Todays Greeks are not ready to relinquish these things in order to appease the Interests of political expediancy. Greeks challenge anyone who is prepared to stand-up for the FYRoM cause at their exclusion and their expense.

Two John Smiths could live side by side in peace next door to each-other, but if one John Smith decides to usurp the Identity of the other John Smith...that is called Identity theft. When the usurper John Smith starts to claim the ancestors and forebears of the other John Smith, that is called cultural thievery. FYRoM is guilty of Identity-theft and cultural-thievery, the evidence is all around in that country they want to call Macedonia.

There is nothing Macedonian in FYRoM...not the people, not the land and not the language. I see No reason why those Identity factors should carry a name they have no semblance or affiliation towards. Why apply the Macedonian-name to a NoN-Greek peoples. Why award South-Slavs a Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.
Why should the Slavs of FYRoM have right to name themselves after a Greek-name their ancestors knew nothing about. Why should the Slavs of FYRoM use a Greek-Hellenic name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity. Greeks cannot permit a South-Slavic peoples to adopt for usurpation the Macedonian-name...a name that has been in use in the Hellenic-world for Millenniums. Greeks cannot sit idly-by watching FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs call themselves ethnic-Macedonians and their language Macedonian, when these Identity-factors are Hellenic and foreign to Slavs.

Lest we forget...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. FYRoM cannot use this name for self-Identity or for self-determination purposes, the Greeks wont let the Macedonian-name go! it shall forever stay in the Greek domain where it belongs.

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