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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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The requirement to solve the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is an important matter not for Greece alone, it has now become a position of the EU and NATO...a requirement for NATO entry and EU accession. FYRoM gets to enter these structures, the western-worlds most prestigious economic and security structures, the moment it settles the long running name dispute with Greece.

The Greek position, which is now a NATO position and an EU position, is for the new-name of FYRoM to contain a geographical-qualifier, something like "Upper-Macedonia" or "Northern-Macedonia" and that this new-name be used in all contexts...for all usage. This position is actually backed by the UN, USA, EU, NATO and the International academic community who support Greece on the issue at two main principles,(i) The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain, and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

The right to a name for self-Identity, and the right to a nationality for self-determination purposes are the most basic and fundamental rights enshrined in the UN-charter of human-rights. FYRoM abused these rights the moment it elected to enter onto the world-stage with "Macedonia" as it's freely chosen-name, for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.

The moment it was realized that FYRoM was abusing the UN-charter of human-rights by opting to use an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...it was made a condition, a requirement, that FYRoM alter it's name for NATO entry and EU accession, the two main Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures it has always said it aspires to join.

The west collectively witnessed FYRoM use state-sponsored revisionism and pseudo-history to promote ethno-genesis stories which made Macedonians Slavic and placed ancient-Macedonia in the Slavic realm...even worse, the apparatus of state there, was used more for propaganda purposes than meaningful historic education. The treatment of the classics and classical Graeco-Roman history was so distorted in FYRoM, it made historian-scholars and academics alike band together to oppose FYRoM at the global level.

The final resolution of the name-dispute depends on FYRoM. The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise, to find a proper more suitable name for the country and the peoples that inhabit it...something like: Upper-Macedonia, where the Slavic speaking Macedonians live. Scripting a national-history around those two factors shouldn't prove difficult, they are based on geographic - demographic and historical verity.
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Who has the power to decide how to self-Identify ethnically! Who has the power to decide how to self-determine nationally! Who has the power to decide the name of my language! Who has the power to decide the name of my country! Ultimately, it's a free choice, thats why FYRoM elected to name itself Republic of Macedonia when it declared it's Independence from the old-Yugoslavia in 1991.

FYRoM freely chose to use "Macedonia", an ancient-Greek name to describe itself in all of those Identity factors listed above...exercizing it's right to do so under the UN charter of human-rights.

It is a basic human-right...enshrined in the UN charter, to freely choose a name for yourself and to express your nationality, but when FYRoM did it, invoking those rights, it did so knowing in advance it was provoking a reaction from it's southern-neighbour Greece, who's Northern province of Macedonia is the name FYRoM picked freely for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes. Now FYRoM blames Greece for blocking the country and the peoples there from using the Macedonian-name to describe themselves, their nationality, their language and their ethnicity.

How is it possible then, in the 21st Century, for a new Slavic-country to have freedom of choice over Identity factors associated with ancient-Greece, invoking the universal human-right to self-determination, as declared by the United Nations, to name itself Republic of Macedonia.

By abusing those rights, FYRoM alienated Greece, a whole nation of Hellenes and the global Greek diasporas. FYRoM also alienated world-academia, a world body of knowledge who's historian-scholars of Graeco-Roman history and the classics banded together to oppose FYRoM, defending the virtues of the long established mainstream historical narrative.

It must be stressed: FYRoM not only covets the Macedonian-name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity...it covets the complete history and heritage of Macedonia, the ancient-Macedonian legacy. Alexander the Great and his father King Philip of Macedon lose their Greekness and become Slavic, this is how they are depicted in FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures.

FYRoM found freedom in 1991 but the politicians there misused the freedoms we in the West hold dear and take for granted. The freedom to choose a name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes did not cater for their Misuse, the kind of Misuse FYRoM exercized when they freely chose an ancient and archaic, regional-tribal, Greek-Hellenic name to Identify with and to self-determine with.

Human-rights, and the rights of FYRoM's newly emergent-peoples to self-determine the way they want, wish or see fit, is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments upholding the rights of native Indigenous peoples found using the Macedonian-name from since the days of King Karanus. Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Macedonian-Identity already exists, it is regional-Identity in the Hellenic Republic.

FYRoM wanting to convert an established, ages-old Greek regional-Identity, into an ethnic-racial Slavic one, crosses ethical-boudaries...moral-code s long established in the civilized world.

Greeks cannot permit FYRoM's South-Slavic peoples to adopt for usurpation, the Macedonian-name...a name that belongs in the Greek domain, who's Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Ultimately, the power to self-Identity and to self-determination comes from within.

But if after being told by the UN, EU, USA and NATO to compromise, and if after being told by the International academic community - world-academia - a world body of knowledge, that the Macedonian-name is Greek, and the Identity from it is already in use...FYRoM still insists on keeping it's peoples in the dark, then it deserves to stay far away from NATO and the EU, the western-worlds most prestigious economic and security structures. To join the Euro-Atlantic economic-zone and security-umbrella, FYRoM must compromise. The Onus is on FYRoM to do that!
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National-Identity is assured when the perceptions of others...neighbouring and far-away Nationals, match self-Identity. In plain terms and simple language: National-Identity is largely shaped when the perceptions of self and others conform and correspond. When FYRoM went live in November 1991, declaring it's Independence from the old-Yugoslavia, the National-Identity of the peoples there became Macedonian be default, as did their ethnic-status.

National-Identity usually follows the country-name and ethnic-Identity usually follows the language-name. When FYRoM freely chose the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...the people there automatically aquired Macedonian-Identity by default.

Macedonian by Country - Nationality - Language - Ethnicity...FYRoM covets this configuration. By claiming to live in a country called Macedonia, claimg to be Macedonian is the next logical step. By claiming to speak the Macedonian-language, claimg to be ethnic-Macedonian is the next logical step. By applying this logic, FYRoM seeks to legitimize itself as a country named Macedonia, peopled by Macedonians, speaking Macedonian.

In reality, FYRoM is not Macedonia but Paeonia, if ancient-geography is to be taken into consideration. In reality, FYRoM's language is not Macedonian but Serbo-Bulgarian if South-Slavic languages are taken into consideration. These realities instantly nullify FYRoM's National-Identity status and Ethnic-Identity status...at a stroke!

When Greeks fight to protect their history - heritage and cultural-inheritence, we do it to defend Hellenism and Hellenic contributions to word-history. Greeks cannot permit FYRoM to make Macedonia the name of their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity when none of these Identity-factors apply to Southern-Slavs.

A Nation can be defined as (i) A named human population,(ii) sharing common historic territory,(iii) sharing common myths, collective-historical memories,(iv) sharing mass religion, public culture,(v) sharing common economy,(vi) sharing common laws, legal rights and common responsibilities. The list can be added to, but for Greeks, Nation simply meant peoples of the same speech and of the same genous...everything else just falls into place.

It must be stressed: Each nation's history and experiences are unique and distinguishable from those of other nations. The Hellenic Nation reserves the right to defend and protect it's own unique National-history - heritage and cultural-inheritence...We cannot permit FYRoM, a newly emergent country, peopled by South-Slavs, to claim the name of an ancient-Hellenic Kingdom for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...unique to Hellas and Hellenism.
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Historically, the Macedonian geographic-region has been a major source of conflict and instability in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula. Even now, there is an ongoing dispute between Greeks and South-Slavs over FYRoM's attempt to usurp the Macedonian-name for country-name, nationality, language, ethnicity. The population of Macedonia during Ottoman occupation...before 1913, included an amazing number of different ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic groups, which included Slavic and Greek speaking Christians, Turkish and Albanian speaking Musulmen, Romanized-Hellenized Vlachs, Gypsies and Jews.

The Christian componant from this amalgam affiliated to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, but with the establishment of an Independent Bulgarian Church in 1870, the Christian-Orthodox communities of the region had the choice of affiliating with either, the Greek, or the Bulgarian national church. Greeks obviously stayed loyal to the Patriarchate of Constantinople whilst Slavophone speakers with Greek conscious did the same. A great number of Slavic-speakers though, migrated over to the Bulgarian Exarchate and proclaimed themselves Bulgarian Slavs...these are FYRoM's ancestors and forebears, self-proclaimed Bulgarians just 5 - 6 generations back. They stayed that way up till 1944, before the Peoples Socialist Republic of Macedonia was carved-out for them, from the Vardar-Banovina province of South-Serbia. Only after 1944 - 1945 respectively, did the Slavs of FYRoM start to use the Macedonian-name for Identity, and only after 1991, did they start to script themselves a history and a heritage linking them with Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Real Macedonians are the Greeks, on the basis, Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians were Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples. Only Greeks have right to the Macedonian-legacy, not the Slavs of FYRoM, who's Bulgaro-Slavic ancestors settled the Greco-Roman (Byzantine) Empire in the 6th Century AD, and who up until 1944, called themselves Bulgarians in that same language.
National-Identity is respected only when the perceiptions of foreigners conform and correspond with your own perceiptions of self-Identity. In plain terms and simple language: I can call myself how I want, wish or see fit...but if I am known by another Identity by my immediate, closest and far-away neighbours, I become a spectacle, something to look at in amazement, but kept at arms length, something to stay away from. This is where FYRoM is right now. To themselves they are Macedonians, but to others, their immediate, closest and far-away neighbours, they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Had FYRoM stood-up in 1991, and proclaimed themselves Macedonians from Slavic heritage, and named themselves accordingly...the Greeks would have been elated, welcoming them with open arms, happy to have Slavic neighbours sharing a regional-geographic Identity common to Greeks. Instead, FYRoM elected to usurp the Macedonian-name exclusively for itself and Rubbished Greeks, Greek history and Hellenism in the process.
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Macedonia:Detaching Modern-Greeks from the Ancient-Greeks

It turns out, the old-Yugoslavia was educating it's children - pupils - students to think of Greeks as titular-Greeks...Greeks in name only, not in substance. The old-Yugoslavia churned out three generations of South-Slavs with a view, that modern-Greeks have nothing to do whatsoever, with ancient-Greeks. But if we are to use that Yugoslavic logic to detach Modern-Peoples from ancient-Peoples, then the rule must apply across the board - like Modern-Jews do not connect to ancient-Jews or that Modern Chinese do not connect to ancient-Chinese etc.

It turns out, and unbeknown to Greeks...Yugoslavia was the most anti-Hellenic country in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula. The peoples there, reared on anti-Hellenic propaganda for generations. South-Slavs today,walk the streets thinking themselves closer to the ancient-Macedonians than the modern-Greeks.

If Modern-Peoples do not connect to ancient-Peoples then these statements apply:

Statement 1...The Macedonian-Name belongs in the Greek domain.

Statement 2...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

These statements are True...even in the absence of Greek-people from the Modern-human population.

To those who subscribe to the Yugoslavic notion, that Modern-Peoples do not connect (genetically) to ancient-peoples...that would make todays Greeks serve only as being representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy. It would make todays Jews representative of the ancient ones, and todays Chinese representative of the ancient ones. But even here, the statement Points 1 and 2, stand.

Point by Point: All of FYRoM's arguments vaporise to hot air...huffing and puffing that Greeks are undeserved of the history atrributed to them. Testament to the anti-Hellenic education they recieved under Slavist School conditions in Communist old-Yugoslavia, the most anti-Hellenic country to have ever existed on this planet.

Yugoslavia vaporised and disappeared, evidently...but it's children - pupils - students still walk the streets thinking of themselves as Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. They think modern-Greeks hail from African Ethiopians and that Hellenes from the ancient past were closer to Slavs than to modern-Greeks.

I say, Give them what they deserve...Give them Hell! Greeks must shove it in their face, every chance they get.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...not the Slavs of FYRoM who call themselves Macedonians on the basis they were Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an Ideology taught in the Slavist Schools of the old-Yugoslavia which instilled in the minds of young Slavic children, the Idea they are Macedonians related to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks are not related to ancient-Greeks. Jews are not related to ancient-Jews. Chinese are not related to ancient-Chinese...Yet, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are related to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Greeks live next to primitive South-Slavic peoples educated on old-Yugoslavic, anti-Hellenic propaganda!

I say: Give them Hell, No Mercy! No Surrender!
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to put things in perspective

[link to vieilleeurope.wordpress.com]
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There are more Macedonians in Greece than anywhere else in the Balkans. The peoples of FYRoM are not one of these. In-fact, they are not actually Macedonian...they are Bulgarian, by blood, Yugoslavicized from since 1913. It's complicated but it's the truth. Macedonians are Greek by blood, proud Hellenic-peoples.

[link to my.raex.com] The original Macedonians were an aggressive and turbulent folk of Hellenic stock, responsible for one of the world's great (if ephemeral) empires. What follows is a record of the Hellenic state, together with the subsequent development of the area, and ending with a record of the southern portions of Macedonia which are now once again in Greek hands.

Macedonians have always been Greek...Greek speakers, Hellenic Peoples. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these. Why should a newly emergent Bulgarized - Yugoslavicized peoples, residing in a recently established country, be awarded an ancient-archaic - regional-tribal - Greek-Hellenic name for their new country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity. Why should these Bulgarized - Yugoslavicized peoples be given the time of day when it is known: Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these!

There are more Macedonians living in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece than anywhere else in the world. Greeks by blood: Born from Greek-speaking Hellenic parents. Greeks by speech and by genous...blood related to the rest of the Greeks, the Greek family, the Greek-Hellenic Collective of peoples.

Can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs really Rubbish This!
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Greeks ((Byzantines)(Eastern-Roman)) Baptized them, Civilized them, gave them Culture, Orthodox-Christendom

Bulgarians ((Proto)(Slavo)) gave them Race Ethnicity Blood

Croat (Comrade Tito) gave them pride of place, Peoples Republic of Macedonia

Serbs ((Slavists)(Philologists)) gave them Serbo-Bulgarian Alphabet, Macedonian-language

Communists gave them somewhere to pray. Macedonian Orthodox Church

Slavdom gave them Doctrine, Indoctrinated them on Makedonism

Lest we forget: Turks gave them Islam and Albanians still give them Aggravation

FYRoM is a true child of the Balkans.

The Central Balkan Republic...This name is the best name and the most suitable name for FYRoM. It describes the place to a tee. FYRoM is a child of the Balkans, a true reflection of the place. The mosaic of peoples and cultures that sprang from there, have developed a heightened sense of attachment to the land, they insist on calling the place Macedonian-land, even though ancient-geography teaches us the lands on which FYRoM sits-on were ancient-Paeonia and Dardania during antiquity, becoming Macedonia Secunda Salutaris during latin-Roman rule.

Ignorance is not an option when discussing Macedonian history...there are too many prominent reputable and renown historian-scholars that have staked their professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman - classicist history on the subject. International scholars and academics alike oppose FYRoM and back Greece in it's defense of it's national-history and cultural-heritage, endorsing the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity.

FYRoM is using a Greek-Hellenic name to self-Identify with and to self-determine with. Macedonia(n)...this name describes Northern-Greeks not Southern-Slavs.

The Central Balkan Republic is the best and most suitable name to describe FYRoM...a true child of the Balkans!
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Macedonia:Greek From Since the days of King Karanus

The ancient-Macedonians are Greek ancestors on an equilibrium with Spartans and Athenians. Hellenic-peoples, groups tribes and Kingdoms were many in ancient times, more than 230 of them that we know about. For a South-Slav to want to contest these findings takes nerve - gall - front - bottle. It takes a brave Slav to stand-up in front of a world audiance to proclaim himself Macedonian. It takes a braver Slav to proclaim Alexander the Great his ancestor. It takes nerve, gall and alot of front to pluck-up the courage to do these things in front of a world audiance. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do these things under the influence of Makedonism, a Slavist based doctrine which teaches young Slavic-children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

The ancient-Hellenic peoples...>230 known - groups tribes and Kingdoms measured their Greekness on the basis of descent - blood - speech. Peoples of the same speech and of the same genus, sharing common descent, collective historical-memory and subscribing to common beliefs - ways - traditions.

Makedonism - This Slavist-based Ideology Indoctrinates young Slavic children to contest the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are 3 generations into Makedonism, they are now fully immersed into the belief they are real Macedonians and Greeks are brainwashed to say they are Macedonians in order to cheat them from their true history and heritage in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, which they equate to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks have done well thus far to defend-protect their National-history - heritage and cultural-inheritence from FYRoM's perverse and corrupt distortions of ancient-Greek history...they took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!

Greeks live next to primitive brainwashed South-Slavs Indoctrinated on Makedonism. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been bred for purpose to hate all things Greek. They hate the Greek peoples with a passion and they hate Hellenism. They hate the West for creating Greeks in the first place...they blame the West for creating Greece and populating it with African-Ethiopians, Turks, Albanians, Vlachs and Gipsys, this is how they see the modern Greek population.

Greeks have done well thus far to keep it to themselves. Greeks bottled their anger...but this small and insignificant, recently established Slavic statelet has taken us to the brink. Greeks cannot listen to their silliness anymore.

It should be made Crystal Clear to the Slavs of FYRoM: Macedonians are Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. They cannot possibly use this name to describe themselves ethnically and racially - culturally or linguistically. Everybody knows FYRoM needs a name but they cant have the Macedonian-name for the most obvious of reasons...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks from since the days of King Karanus.
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Three questions, if answerable, end the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece in an instant, at a stroke.

Question 1: FYRoM's natural Slavic-name...What is it ?
Question 2: Which Slavic tribe is FYRoM's progenitor ?
Question 3: Why Macedonia, for their ethnic-racial name ?

Everybody knows FYRoM needs a name to Identify with, but they can't have the Macedonian-name for the most obvious of reasons...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks from since the days of King Karanus

Purely on ethical moral grounds…It is wrong to covet your neighbours name. FYRoM’s adoption of an ancient-archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity is an abuse of the self-determination right enshrined in the UN charter of human rights.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. This statement is true, even in the absence of Greeks from the modern human population pool.

Very insulting, having to protect ones national-history - heritage - cultural-inheritence from the Slavs of FYRoM who have become learned, specializing in the arts of deception. By denying the Greek-Hellenic Identity of the ancient-Macedonians, they are in-fact, commiting the demographic eradication of a continuous, proven, verifiable Greek presence in Macedonia from since the days of King Karanus. Macedonians are Greek…Greeks have always lived on Macedonian soil, who got the front, the gall, or the bottle to Rubbish This!

Only Slavdom can save them now…the West has largely given-up on them, keeping them at arms length, at a distance, until the Slavonic peoples of FYRoM learn the truth about Macedonians and their ethnic-racial distance from them.
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Hellenes: Under this name, the Greeks developed a language and a culture so unique - it became the dominant culture of the Haemus peninsula...the primordial homeland of the Greek-Hellenic peoples. Other cultures in close proximity to Greeks, succumbed to Hellenism through choice and free-will and not through subjugation. Hellenism became synonymous with enlightenment. Hellenes: Under this name did the Greeks reach the azimuth of their being.

Southern-Greeks developed - refined a language and a culture so dominant and resiliant...peoples in close proximity to them were enchanted to associate with Hellenism. Southern-Greeks refined a way of life which diffused around them, a structure and sophistication that dispersed across the Hellenic-world, from Crete in the South, to Macedonia in the North - and from Iberia in the West, to Cyprus in the East.

It took the Southern-Greeks, to develop - refine - diffuse and disperse a culture and a way of life across the ancient-Hellenic world...but it took the Northern-Greeks to spread - export that language, that knowledge and that culture to the far reaches of the then known ancient-world.
Macedonians: The least developed and the least refined Greeks...Northerners, Northern mountain-Greeks, hillbillies to the more refined - sophisticated Southern-Greeks. It was the Macedonians that spread Hellenism Eastwards, as far as the Hindu-Kush and Northwards, as far as what is now Tajikistan.

Wherever the ancient-Macedonians went...they left their mark. In every city they visited - built or renamed, they left us calling-cards, carved deep into the foundations, the bedrock and cornerstones there, as if they knew, that one day, far-off into the distant future, some southern Slavic-peoples from FYRoM would attempt to adopt their name in order to usurp their legacy.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these! Whatever the Macedonians did, they did for Hellenism...not for Slavdom! Even though Southern-Greeks considered themselves more refined and more sophisticated than their Northern-Greek compatriots...calling them names, like "barbarians" or "hillbillies," this was normal banter between Greeks, no-way would they have called them "Slavs" or "Slavic," on the basis, the Slavic tribes where nowhere to be seen in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula during antiquity. The Slavic tribes were recorded as having entered the Greco-Roman Empire (Byzantium) during the top-end of the 6th Century AD, almost a Millennium after the death of Alexander the Great.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these...just one the 230 ancient-Greek, groups - tribes and Kingdoms that we know about, through the teachings of accredited - reputable historian-scholars and academics alike who staked their whole professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman and classicist history.

Hellenes: Macedonians are one of these!
Macedonians: FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these! They are Southern-Slavs from Serbian - Bulgarian stock.
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It began: 770 - 740 BC. It was one of the earliest and most illustrious of European-Kingdoms...the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Karanus, the son of Temenus, who was the King of Argos, takes his followers north to aid the King of Orestae who is at war with the Eordaei. The Orestae occupy a location in north-central Greece, north-west of Mount-Olympus. The King of Orestae promises Karanus half of his territory if successful in their joint-effort to defeat the Eordaei.

Karanus is successful, and the King keeps his promise. Karanus, as agreed, takes possession of half the territory, founding the beginnings of one of Europes earliest and most illustrious Kingdoms, the Kingdom of Macedon. Karanus rules for thirty years before dying of old age. He is succeeded by his son Koinos who reigns for just twelve years and is succeeded by his son Tyrimmas, who reigns for twenty-eight years.

Perdiccas establishes a capital at Aegae, east of both the former Orestae and the Eordaei, close to the northern-most point of the Aegean-Sea. The region then, was in a fertile plain in Lower-Macedon which was irrigated by the rivers Axius and Haliacmon. It wasn't until under the rule of Alexander I, did the Kingdom of Macedon expand rapidly that by the 4th Century BC, it occupied an area both in size and in shape mirroring that of the modern-Greek province of Macedonia.

The Greatest Kings of Macedonia: (i) Phillip II and (ii) his son Alexander III known as Alexander the Great.

At 395 AD, the area we know as Greece becomes the central focal-segment of the Eastern-Roman Empire. It remains that way until the Byzantine Empire's fall and final conquest in 1453, by the forces of the eastern-asiatic, oriental Ottoman Empire. It took the Greeks until 1821 to finally rid themselves of the Turk, and until 1912 - 1913 to regain Macedonia back, by conquest, fighting both Turkics and Slavics to place Macedonia back into Greek hands.

Greeks lost Macedonia through conquest at various intervals during the past...but Greeks have always regained Macedonia back, by conquest. Macedonia is now back in Greek hands once more where it shall stay, for ever and a day!
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nick do you know where the ancestors of your ancestors originally came from?
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nick do you know where the ancestors of your ancestors originally came from?
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If you say Proto-Slavs...I gonna Scream!
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nick do you know where the ancestors of your ancestors originally came from?
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:)) just found this and it surely makes a lot of sense and well proven. the original european culture was black!

[link to realhistoryww.com]
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Nick,ask your cousin,Jimmy, who he likes in this afternoon's SEC Championship,Alabama or Georgia.
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From since the forming of the "Peoples Republic," FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been in transition to developing a unique ethnicity of their own, centered around a geographic-term which is used in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula by more than one country. Macedonian-Slavs, as they are known, are an ethnic-group which inhabit the geographical-region of Macedonia in south-eastern Europe. Sufficiently seperated from the main Serbo-Bulgarian core, the Slavs of FYRoM have now developed ethnic-Macedonian feelings and Macedonian national-pride.

They speak a Satem-Slavonic language which they call Macedonian-language and associate with Orthodox-Christendom, which they express through the so called Macedonian Orthodox Church. FYRoM's neighbours see them as South-Slavic peoples, descendants of those Slavic-tribes and Bulgar-tribes that settled the Greek (Haemus) peninsula at the top-end of the 6th Century AD. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs call themselves ethnic-Macedonians, on the basis, they do not like the Macedonian-Slav label.

The greater geographical-region of Macedonia straddles over more than one country. It is divided between Bulgaria 9%, Greece 51%, FYRoM 39% and Albania 1%. The region is inhabited by a variety of peoples which includes Albanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Macedonian-Slavs, Turks, Vlachs, Serbs and Roma-Gypsies.

Whether FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs constitute a unique and distinct ethnic-group is controversial. Bulgaria and Greece see them as a subset, Bulgarian in the main, but with Serbian influences. Their origins are equally controversial.
They have Slavic-heritage for sure, but the peoples there insist they derive from local, autochthonous elements that cross-fertilized with the incoming proto-Bulgar tribes and Slavic-tribes during the migration period. Most historians date the arrival of FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs to the 6th centuries AD.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs had no political-representation or national-Identity of their own until the 20th Century AD. The peoples there were always ruled-over, governed by various empires, initially the Byzantine-Empire, then the Bulgarian, then the Serbian, and then, the Ottoman Empire. Medieval sources traditionally describe them as Bulgarians, a definition which survived well into the period of Ottoman-rule, attested to in Ottoman-Turk archives, which was the last ruling entity to govern the region. Ethnographers, historians and travellers described them as Bulgarians also, for example: Evliya Celebi in his Book of Travels. 19th Century ethnographers also Identified them as Bulgarians in official Census-reports and population-statistics santioned by the league of Nations.

The key events which culminated in the formation of a unique and distinctive Macedonian-Identity amongst FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs occured during the first half of the 20th Century, in the aftermath of the Balkan Wars 1912-1913. The territory we know today as FYRoM, came under the direct rule of Serbia...later the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The place was termed "South-Serbia" or "Vardar-Banovina." A programme of "Serbianization" was implemented during the 1920s - 1930s, during which the locals there were forcibly assimilated into the Serbian-culture, only the Serbian- language was permitted and taught in schools and FYRoM's Bulgarian sounding names had them altered, modified into the Serbian form: (i) Stankov became Stankovic, (ii) Atanasov became Atanackovic, (iii) Bogdan became Bogdanovic.

After WWII, Josip Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia decided to abandon the policy of Serbianization, it had failed and led to strong resentment of Belgrade. He separated Vardar-Banovina from Serbia proper, converting a province into a fully fledged Republic which he Christened the Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1946 making it the 6th Socialist Republic of a now Federal-Yugoslavian state. Tito also promoted the concept of a separate Macedonian- Nation, in order to sever binding ties to Bulgaria. 1946 onwards...FYRoM's Macedonian-Slavs start to develop ethnic-feelings - national-pride and collective historical-memories centered around the Macedonian-name. In Slavist Scools, they were taught to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

When this much is known about about a peoples and their country...can Slavdom really afford to continue in keeping FYRoM wallowing in it's own nostagia. With Slavic history being distorted, blended-in to make it native to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, Greeks are being erased - eradicated in order to accomodate Slavist-based pseudo-history, scripting FYRoM an ethno-genesis story so crude and so crass it de-Hellenizes Macedonians in order to make them Slavic.
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Dammit, he was Mongolian!
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[link to www.flickr.com] A picture can paint a thousand words...so picture this: Where Macedonia is situated in this ancient-map of Hellas. It is important for you to retain a mental image of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in order to be able to distinguish it from FYRoM, when you have read the complete article.

[link to euroheritage.net] FYRoM wanting to name itself Macedonia is neither justified nor even factually-correct. The earliest recorded name of the place is actually Paeonia in it's southern parts and Dardania in it's northern parts.

The next alteration to the name occured during latin-Roman rule, when the Romans incorporated Paeonia and Dardania into a new administrative district they renamed Macedonia II Salutaris. The original authentic ancient-Kingdom of Macedon they kept Greek and distinct by naming it Macedonia-Prima, meaning first and foremost Macedonia.
The next alteration to the name occured during Greco-Roman rule, under the Byzantine (Eastern-Roman) Empire. Here, the Greek-speaking Empire shifts the Macedonin-name to Thrace and renames the place where FYRoM is situated, to Bulgaria. [link to en.wikipedia.org] To understand the politics behind these decisions, where geographic place-names change, one needs to have an admiring appreciation of the Byzantines geo-political strategic mind-set. Their capacity to play politics with place-names and geography were evidently light-years ahead of their time. As one can see in the Map of Themes of Byzantium...FYRoM becomes Bulgaria in name, and Macedonia gets shifted to Thrace, to where Bulgaria is situated right now.

The next alteration came under the Serbian Empire when the place where FYRoM is situated alters it's shape size. [link to en.wikipedia.org] here we get Velbazhd Despotate in the Eastern-part and Prilep Lordship for the Western-part.

The next alteration comes under Ottoman-Turk rule, when the the place becomes Kosovo Vilayet in the North and Monastir Vilayet in the South [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The next alteration comes when the Greeks regain Macedonia through conquest, 1912 - 1913 Balkan Wars, regaining Macedonia, placing it back into Greek-hands.

[link to www.lonelyplanet.com] Contemporary-Greece

[link to www.flickr.com] Ancient-Greece

Macedonia included...right!
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At some stage, our Slavic brothers in Skopje shall have to acknowledge that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...and when they have done that, they will have no choice but to recognize todays-Greeks as the sole and legal modern representatives of their legacy. The longer our Slavic brothers delay, the longer they shall stay shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance from the rest of the European family.

The point at which our Western-Partners and European-Cousins suddenly realized, that FYRoM was not a serious partner for peace - integration and cooperation, was when they erected gigantic-statues of ancient-Greek hero's in central Skopje. This action meant more to FYRoM than settlement of the name dispute with Greece. The West went out on a limb for FYRoM...some went as far as to sidelined Greece in order to show support for FYRoM's right to self-determine in the way they saw fit.

FYRoM not only sees fit, they see it as being wholly right and proper to use an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name for their self-Identity and for their self-determination right. The South-Slavs there want to describe themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks.

The Slavs of FYRoM dismiss the long-held view, the established view, that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. As far as they are concerned, the ancient-Macedonians were just Macedonians, a distinct-peoples, seperate from Greeks. They proclaim themselves Macedonians - descendents of the ancient-ones...that is why they have erected gigantic statues of Alexander the Great and his father King Phillip of Macedon at the center of Skopje, a place neither of them visited or set-foot.

The Greeks stare at their Western-Partners and European-Cousins...face to face - eyeball to eyeball in distgust of their treatment of Greek concerns when it came to the recognition of FYRoM as Macedonia. The Greeks told them from day-one, FYRoM is not a serious partner for peace - intergration and cooperation in Europe. The only thing FYRoM is interested-in is how to make Greece look bad, how to belittle Hellenism, and how to ridicule and humiliate modern-Greeks.

FYRoM's historians took something good like the classics and Rubbished them...converted them into something Vulgar!
For 21 years now, Greece has had to endure the Silliness of FYRoM...a newly established Slavic statelet at the center of the Balkans. From since they first stepped foot onto the world-stage in November 1991, they have been telling us how Alexander the Great was not a Greek-King but a Czar, the first Czar of the Slavs, that is why they honour his statue in Skopje, a place he never visited.

For Greeks it is obvious...FYRoM exists just to Rubbish Hellenism. A country created by Slavists with expansionist Ideas. It was on their will, that a Macedonian-language appeared in the autumn of 1944. On their will, did a Peoples Republic of Macedonia appear in 1945. On their will did the Socialist Republic of Macedonia appear in 1946. A country and a peoples primed for purpose: to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, by hook or by crook.

Our Western-Partners and European-Cousions bow their heads in shame now, at the way they allowed themselves to be duped by FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters. As far as they are concerned...FYRoM stays shoved-up a siding until it resolves the long running name dispute with Greece.
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I have been working on my family tree, and my grandmother used to always say we were related to Alaxender the Great, turns out we are and I have been able to trace my lineage all the way back to Julius Ceasar in the same line. It's been very interesting, to say the least. I'm not into reading all of these 187 pages, but I do have birthplaces and dates so if you're interested I can look it up, maybe it will help in the debate:-)
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[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] The best examples of FYRoM's Slavist-revisionist nonsense are there in that link.
Donski - Stefov - Gandeto - Belchevsky - Tentov - Ilyov and many more are there...FYRoM's best are all represented. Are they not ashamed of that link which blatantly falsifies ancient historical events the Slavic-peoples played no part in. It is just a shameful attempt by the Slavs of Fyrom to convert themselves into something they cannot possibly be, and that is Macedonians. Learned peoples know Macedonians to be Greeks, in speech and genus.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs confuse the Macedonian-name with Slavdom and Macedonian-Identity with the Slavic-race, when in actual fact, the Macedonian-name was born from Hellenism.
This confusion is restricted only to them. Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples created the name and never stopped using it for self-Identity. It is only right and proper that the name should stay inside the Greek realm, it belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs nurture Macedonian-Identity 24/7 - 365 days a year and are not ashamed to admit it! Shameless, right!

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM not only covets the name - Macedonia, for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes...it also covets Greek-Macedonian territory according to the link above! Shameless, right!

FYRoM's Slavist-orientated revisionists littered the Internet with pseudo-historical nonsense...evidenced in the links above. Most of it has been torn down - removed, on the basis it was crude and very crass, and because of the embarrassment it has caused Slavdom. These links remain however, they serve as reminders and Icons, evidence of their endeavours to Rubbish Hellenism and humiliate Greeks.

[link to historyofmacedonia.org] The overwhelming evidence of FYRoM's psudo-historical nonsense is all here, in this link: damning-evidence of their attempts to make themselves Macedonians when the world knows them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.
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The Kingdom of ancient-Macedon is in Northern-Greece. The Greeks there self-Identify as Macedonians on regional-basis and Hellenes on National-basis. Now, imagine the confusion in this absurd scenario: A Northern-Greek meets a FYRoM ex-Yugoslav and decides to follow tradional custom and protocol. After formal introduction, greetings and firm hand-shake, the Greek asks "from whence do you hail," the FYRoM ex-Yugoslav replies predictably, "Macedonian from Macedonia," the Greeks rightly asks, "how come," and the reply comes back...because this is the name I use for self-Identify and for self-determination purposes.

The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is complex and not just about a name. It has to tackle the complexities of having two ethnically - racially different people-groups wanting to use the Macedonian-name for self-Identity...the Greeks on regional-basis, whilst the Slavs of FYRoM intend on using it on ethnic-racial basis and on liguistic basis.

At this juncture, Western freedoms and human-rights favour the FYRoM position on the basis...new-country's - newly-emergent and recently established countries have absolute sovereignty in chosing freely a name of their choice without outside foreign interference. FYRoM opted to use the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when historian-scholars and academics alike know the Macedonian-name to belong in the Greek realm, in the Greek domain, whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

After 21 years - the name dispute has remained unresolved with FYRoM insisting that the Slavs there are Macedonians, with links and connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. The Greeks squirm at their antics but hold back their anger knowing they hold the academic and moral high-ground. In FYRoM, the world has witnessed a country and a peoples so manipulated they know not, who they are and from whence they hail from, unlike the Greeks, who's ways customs traditions and protocols have been studied for generations, learned peoples know that a Hellene to another Hellene self-determines after his primordial group collective tribal-Identity...exalts his ancestral place of origin. A Macedonian to a Corinthian is a Macedonian but to a NoN-Greek he is a Hellene.

A Hellenic custom from since ancient-times: The tradition amongst Greeks has always been to ask, "from whence do you hail" - after a formal greeting. A Hellene to another Hellene would respond by forwarding his region and tribal place of origin, for example: a Northern-Greek would respond "from Macedonia" whilst a Southern-Greek would respond from "Sparta," both responses though, would expect a reciprocal reply, this custom continues even today amongst the modern-Greeks. From the Southernmost Greeks to the Northernmost Greeks, and from the Westernmost Greeks to the Easternmost Greeks. From Crete to Macedonia and from the Ionian Islands to the Island of Cyprus, Greeks greet each other in traditional custom, something they have been doing from since Milleniums.

Slavic children of the future shall one day look back at this in shame of their forebears...todays FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs. They shall hang their heads in shame of their forebears attempts to convert their ethnic and racial status from Slavic to Hellenic. In the future, all history books in the Slavic countries shall refer to Macedonians as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Imagine the feeling of being ashamed of your ancestors!
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It's very difficult to imagine FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs being Macedonians. It's even harder to imagine them being related to the Macedonians of old. The ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples whereas the peoples of FYRoM are Slavonic...but some of them deny it. See here:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] item 7 clearly states that they consider the Slav term, a racial slur.

Ask ten people in FYRoM to describe themselves and their origins and you get ten different versions of their ethno-genesis story. Some of them are proud of their Slavic-heritage: [link to www.makedonija.info] They trace their ethnicity to the Slavs and their faith to the Byzantine Empire that brought them into the Eastern Orthodox Church...whilst here, in this link:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] they deny their Slavic-Identity by telling us, they consider the Slav term to be a racial slur.

Some of them proudly proclaim themselves Slavs whilst others deny their Slavic heritage...the confusion over Identity is confounded by a fringe-sect in their number who see themselves as direct descendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. See here:
[link to www.antickimakedonci.com.mk]
The Association of Ancient Macedonians Bogdanci

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs dont know whether they are coming or going...some of them say they are Slavs, some of them deny it, and some of them throw a wobbler by claiming direct descent from Alexander the Great.

Greek live next to wierdo's...right!
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Rule of Thumb: Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. Greeks boast the closest possible connections to the ancient-Macedonians on the basis of fraternal-ties, geographic-ties, cultural-linguistic ties and historic-ties.
Other-peoples claiming them for their ancestors is a travesty of the long held view established in the mainstream historical narrative and an insult to the Greek-Hellenic peoples. FYRoM's claim to their legacy is nothing short of opportunism...the opportunity presented itself and the Slavs there, took it. They want to legitimize the use of the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity on the basis, they have rights which are enshrined in the UN charter to self-Identify and self determine after a name of their choice.

Calling themselves and their country after a Greek-Hellenic name is both problematic and confusing, not least to the children of that country. Self-Identifying as Macedonians and self-determining as a Nation of Macedonians is wrong on the basis...a Nation of Macedonians peopled by NoN-Greeks, has never existed in history verity. FYRoM's Sickness is symptomatic of delusion...the Slavonic-peoples there display collective memory loss. They profess to have no memory of Slavic heritage, but can remember being related to the Macedonians of old.

Rule of Thumb: If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck...it's a duck alright! Ducks are ducks, they all quack to the same hymn. I like this analogy because one can use it as a rule of thumb.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs walk like Slavs and talk like Slavs, so that makes them Slavic.

Contemporary Macedonians are both Slavic speaking and Greek speaking, one needs to draw a line is drawn under this statement of fact.

Ancient-Macedonians though, were Greek speakers, intergral and intrinsic to the Hellenic-tribes from anitquity who went on to form the the Greek-Hellenic Collective of peoples we have all learned so much about through the mainstream historical record. Their modern representative are todays Greeks...only Greeks can boast the closest possible connections to them.
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They refer to their own language as Macedonian-language, but
as we can see [link to www.krysstal.com] the Cyrillic alphabet was devised in the middle-ages by two
Greek Byzantine monks Cyril - Methodius. Cyrillic, along with Glagolitic was the first script that was used for the original Old-Church Slavonic-language. Glagolitic expired, only Cyrillic survives today, so it is historically inaccurate to refer to FYRoM's Slavonic-language as Macedonian, on the basis...the ancient-Macedonian language that was spoken by Alexander the Great and the Macedonians from antiquity was Hellenic and Centum, not Slavonic and Satem. Slavonic languages belong to the Satem group of Indo-European languages. FYRoM's language is most similar to Bulgarian, like Afrikaans is most similar to Dutch-language.
If we applied the Afrikaans example to FYRoM's language, it would make it simply Slav-language.

It is historically incorrect to name a Slavonic language Macedonian...by a factor of almost a Millennium. The Greeks see it as offensive and a major insult, that a Slavonic-peoples had the gall, the front and the nerve to name their Satem-Slavic Serbo-Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language in order to claim cultural and linguistic affiliations to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.
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From the top-end of the 6th Century AD till the middle of the 7th Century AD, the Slavic tribes – Brsiaks, Strumians, Dragovits, Smolians, Rinhins and Velegezits settled the territories of the Eastern-Roman Empire...curiously, none of them self-Identified or self-determined as Macedonians, which begs the question: When exactly, did the Slavs first start to use the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes.

The name terms “Macedonia” and “Macedonians” have been in use in the Greek-Hellenic world for millenniums, the Slavs however, had to learn to use these terms for geographic place-name and for regional-Identity, traceable from since 1870, when the Russian Czar pressured the Ottoman-Turks to permit the re-establishment (1878) of the Exarchist Bulgarian Church.

At this juncture, from since the last decades of 19th Century AD, up to the lead-up of the Balkan Wars, we hear the Slavonic-peoples use the Macedonia(n) term soley to denote regional-Identity. It was not until 2nd August 1944 at the first-session of ASNOM, that constitutive decisions were made to establish a Macedonian-language, followed by a Macedonian state as a federal unit within the framework of a Yugoslav federation.

From since the creation of the Peoples Republic of Macedonia, housed inside the confines of a federal Yugoslavia, which become a Socialist Republic in 1946, did the Slavs of the region start to develop instilled ethnic-feelings, collective-memories and National-pride centered around the Macedonian name term.

As we have seen...the Slavs of FYRoM never used the Macedonian-name for self-Identity before the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate. They started to use it in the regional-geographic context during the lead-up to the Balkan Wars and only during the Communist years 1945 -1946 did they decide to convert an ancient and archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name into an ethnic-racial name applicable to Slavs.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt for usurpation...one of our regional-tribal names, we are to proud a peoples to relinquish the Macedonian-name just to appease political expediancy. Those politicians who shat on Greece from a great height ultimately paid the price for their poor judgement. It took historian scholars of the classics to show them the grave error they were commiting to historical verity.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or want to be...at some stage, they must learn to respect who they really are, and from whence they really come from.
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no bodies + just text and or "ruins" = no proof he/they really existed.the lies are way bigger than you think when you question where are all the general population burial sites and all their personal artifacts that are also missing from all the so called "flourishing" past civilizations...smells of a large setup, just as Hollywood does with sets,props,and scripts and then the story becomes alive to the consumer..the key word is -FLOURISHING- civilizations that so called vanished...yeah right they disappeared,they never existed in the flesh to begin with..histories were written from the sets and props,proved by the Lack of enough physical evidence to prove flourishing...only the rulers and rich were preserved><bullshit story to make you forget the general populations whereabouts.their hundreds of millions of daily personal artifacts from the millions whom would supposed to have lived and died during their so called time frames..
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Dammit, he was Mongolian!
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Interesting to note isn't it...that before 1944 there was No Macedonian-language, and before 1945 there was No country called Macedonia. Both country and language merely contemporary-constructs developed during the latter years of WWII in communist-ruled Yugoslavia. The ruling Slavist elite there felt it necessary to bring two things into the fore which never-ever existed before in historical verity.

We know Macedonia existed ofcourse, as an ancient-Greek Kingdom, not as a seperate country to Hellas or even as a standalone self-contained entity. The Kingdom of Macedon existed as a Hellenic-Kingdom, populated by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. The Macedonians were Hellenisms Northern-most Greeks who stood ready to defend and protect the Hellenic world from babarian attacks - incursions - invasions.

For a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM, to have the nerve, the gall, the front and the bottle to proclaim themselves Macedonians, the modern desendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity smacks of delusions of granduer...or quite simply - Indoctrination.

The Slavs of FYRoM are distanced from Macedonians at the ethnic-racial level, at the geographic level, at the linguistic level and at every-single scholarly-discipline known to [academia] man and science.

That mass-brainwashing can Indoctrinate the peoples of a small Slavic statelet like FYRoM, is testament to the power and control of the ruling-elite there. It is forbidden in FYRoM to insert the term Hellenic next to the Macedonian term.

At some stage, FYRoM shall teach what the rest of the world already teaches about ancient-European history...that Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic peoples and that Slav-Macedonians can only ever apply that name to themselves
in the regional-geographic context.

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