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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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There were no Greeks at that time , neither Greek state existed. But were multitude of tribes some what we would call Greek and most not. But were Slavic , Celtic and who knows more.
And Slavs did not come from North in 6th century.. What an BS is that it is mindbogglingly.
There were no Slavs either at that time as naming Slavs is historically recent.

Bunch of BS on this thread.. Not worth even one cent.
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Nick the Great would be perfect example of Athenian. Not an Greek.

Athenians were known like arrogant pricks who were many times crushed and from North and from South because of their stupid arrogance.

There was no Greek ever that was declared Emperor of the Slavs , but were few so called Slavs ( Serbs ) who were Emperors of the Greeks.

Know your History you Athenian and go back building your monuments..
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There were no Greeks at that time , neither Greek state existed. But were multitude of tribes some what we would call Greek and most not. But were Slavic , Celtic and who knows more.
And Slavs did not come from North in 6th century.. What an BS is that it is mindbogglingly.
There were no Slavs either at that time as naming Slavs is historically recent.

Bunch of BS on this thread.. Not worth even one cent.
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We're mixing recent geopolitical terms with ancient historical figures. This is true.. the argument should state was he from the Hellenic state of Greece or descendant of the Northern Tribes.

I did my research and can conclude he was most likely of Thracian heritage.

I was also incorrect in stating he came from "nothing" , he inherited his father's empire and military which is quite the gift.
1 Day... U will find what U R l00kin' for.
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There were no Greeks at that time , neither Greek state existed. But were multitude of tribes some what we would call Greek and most not. But were Slavic , Celtic and who knows more.
And Slavs did not come from North in 6th century.. What an BS is that it is mindbogglingly.
There were no Slavs either at that time as naming Slavs is historically recent.

Bunch of BS on this thread.. Not worth even one cent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480


We're mixing recent geopolitical terms with ancient historical figures. This is true.. the argument should state was he from the Hellenic state of Greece or descendant of the Northern Tribes.

I did my research and can conclude he was most likely of Thracian heritage.

I was also incorrect in stating he came from "nothing" , he inherited his father's empire and military which is quite the gift.
 Quoting: War Lord

Did you research this:
[link to macedonia-evidence.org]

Did you research this: [link to euroheritage.net]

Did you research this: [link to www.flickr.com]

You didn't did you Goran ?

Instead, you researched this:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org]

FYRoM anti-Hellenic - anti-Western Propaganda site, where everything Hellenic and Western is Beliittled and Rubbished.

FYRoM's Slavs have been raised on Turkocentric - Afrocentric
- Slavist oriented revisionism and pseudo-history.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated pseudo-historians took something good like the classics and Rubbished them...converted them into something Vulgar!
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Nick the Great would be perfect example of Athenian. Not an Greek.

Athenians were known like arrogant pricks who were many times crushed and from North and from South because of their stupid arrogance.

There was no Greek ever that was declared Emperor of the Slavs , but were few so called Slavs ( Serbs ) who were Emperors of the Greeks.

Know your History you Athenian and go back building your monuments..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480

FYRoM Sickness: Symptoms include Greek Envy coupled with delusions of granduer!

Thick Illiterate Monkey!
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Geek the nick ;

statelet of your mind is widely known as pseudo historic bullshit.

stir Keep on stirring it's your great soup ;


peace



"Is it not worthy of tears that, when the number of worlds is infinite, we have not yet become lords of a single one?"


"Remember, conquer your fear and I promise you you will conquer death."

Alexander III of Macedon

SLAVA !!!


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: PLutarch 29396175


Actually, in the end he wanted to be known as a Persian king.

Because the person he looked up to most was Cyrus the Great.

Not that it matters but,

why honor the man's wishes when you can use him for your own petty nationalistic banter? When you can use him to divide, while Alexander himself looked up to, not a divider, but someone who brought people from all places together?

Stupid thread in any case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15993935


I AM FROM MACEDONIA, FROM SKOPJE.

This is the real history.

Slavs is terminology invented into 18 century.

All Balkan people are proto slavic in their origin.


THEY HAD SPOKE SIMILAR PROTO SLAVIC LANGUAGE AS TODAY POLISH OR RUS PEOPLE.

Macedonians in the history have been ancestors of today Macedonians. Bulgarians and SERBS ARE ALMOST SAME TRIBES AS MACEDONIANS. The difference is such as Irish and Scottish people.

ILLIRYANS WERE AND ARE SERBS IN THE HISTORY.
TRAKIANS WERE BULGARIANS.

GOTHS WERE KOZAKS OR RUS PEOPLE (KOZA IS GOAT ON SLAVIC)

VANDALS WERE PREDECESSOR OF POLISH PEOPLE.

HISTORY IS REWRITTEN IN ORDER FOR THE BABYLONIAN BROTHERHOOD, OR SHALL I SAY VATICAN TO CONQUER ALL OF EASTERN EUROPE.

The name of ancient ARIA , WAS RELIGION OF PROTO SLAVIC PEOPLE. This includes Persia, India.

We, Macedonians, Serbs, Bulgarians, can read SANSKRIT, AND UNDERSTAND IT 80 PERCENT.

The name of ancient Macedonian city was PELLA IN THE HISTORICAL RECORDS. BUT PELLA IS NOT QUITE TRUE. P AND B ARE INTERCHANGEABLE IN GREEK. SO BELLA CITY IS CORRECT.
OR BELLA TOWN. THE SAME NAME AS THE CAPITAL OF SERBIA. BEL GRAD (CITY) BEO GRAD, BELLI GRAD. BELL IS ANCIENT FOR WHITE. IT MEANS WHITE CITY.

TODAY YOU HAVE 10 TOWNS IN THE BALKANS, AND POLLAND AND RUSSIA, WITH THE SAME MEANING. BEO GRAD, BELI GRAD, BEL GOROD, ETC.

Greece is not the enemy of the Macedonians. But if you go to Greece,in Macedonia, you will see that population speaks slavic language. The cities and villiges have slavic , or macedonian meanings. Such as VODEN, LERIN, SOLUN, ETC.


I WAS ASTONISH TO FOUND OUT THAT IN THE MAIN 2 STREETS IN THESSALONIKI IN GREECE, ALL THE SHOPS OWNERS WERE MACEDONIAN BY ORIGIN. I SPOKE MY LANGUAGE IN THEIR SHOPS.

MACEDONIANS ARE ORIGINAL PEOPLE OF NORDERN MODERN GREECE.
But some of them had been colonised.

The same situation as Slovenians in Saerska Austria. Or In Trst , Italy.

This is the truth. This doesn't mean that Macedonians and Greeks should be enemies. We had to fight bigger fish NOW.

AND THAT IS ISLAM, AND TURKEY.


Boromir, from Skopje.
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Alexander was Macedonian!!!

Nick tha Greek sucks!!!
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Alexander was Macedonian!!!

Nick tha Greek sucks!!!
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I agree!
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A: south slav?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22580919


Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

We fought the same enemy together in WW II. We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

And yet we are "enemies". Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses. But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.
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Hi there;
Nick the Geek
Greetings from the Slavic people ;-)




To the strongest!

After being asked, by his generals on his deathbed, who was to succeed him. It has been speculated that his voice may have been indistinct and that he may have said "Krateros" (the name of one of his generals), but Krateros was not around, and the others may have chosen to hear "Kratistos" — the strongest. As quoted in The Mask of Jove: a history of Graeco-Roman civilization from the death of Alexander to the death of Constantine (1966) by Stringfellow Barr, p. 6
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Nick the Greek
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Greeks wouldn’t mind so much if the citizens of FYRoM claimed that they too also descend from Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...but branched-off from the main Hellenic core during the Slavic incursions
of the 6th Century AD.

Greeks wouldn't mind so much if the citizens of FYRoM claimed that they were Slavic-speaking Macedonians on the basis, their Hellenic forebears had to Slavicize [[by force][by free will]] during the settlement of the Slavic-tribes deep into Imperial Byzantine territories.

Greeks wouldn't mind so much if FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs placed themselves on an equilibrium with Greeks and staked a claim to the legacy of Alexander the Great on the basis of their Hellenic-heritage.

In reality, the Slavs of FYRoM have No Greek in them at all...they hate Greeks with a passion and hate Hellenism even more...on par with hating the West for creating the Greeks in the first place.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a peoples bred for purpose, Indoctrinated on Makedonism...a Slavist based Ideology
developed during the Communist years to take Macedonian-territory away from the Greeks in order to place it into Slavic-hands.
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There were no Greeks at that time , neither Greek state existed. But were multitude of tribes some what we would call Greek and most not. But were Slavic , Celtic and who knows more.
And Slavs did not come from North in 6th century.. What an BS is that it is mindbogglingly.
There were no Slavs either at that time as naming Slavs is historically recent.

Bunch of BS on this thread.. Not worth even one cent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480


We're mixing recent geopolitical terms with ancient historical figures. This is true.. the argument should state was he from the Hellenic state of Greece or descendant of the Northern Tribes.

I did my research and can conclude he was most likely of Thracian heritage.

I was also incorrect in stating he came from "nothing" , he inherited his father's empire and military which is quite the gift.
 Quoting: War Lord

Did you research this:
[link to macedonia-evidence.org]

Did you research this: [link to euroheritage.net]

Did you research this: [link to www.flickr.com]

You didn't did you Goran ?

Instead, you researched this:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org]

FYRoM anti-Hellenic - anti-Western Propaganda site, where everything Hellenic and Western is Beliittled and Rubbished.

FYRoM's Slavs have been raised on Turkocentric - Afrocentric
- Slavist oriented revisionism and pseudo-history.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated pseudo-historians took something good like the classics and Rubbished them...converted them into something Vulgar!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 26453219


The only pseudo-historian is you.

Proud Greek but posting from England?

Go back to your shithole country and crumble with the rest of the monuments.
1 Day... U will find what U R l00kin' for.
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Did you research this:
[link to macedonia-evidence.org]

Did you research this: [link to euroheritage.net]

Did you research this: [link to www.flickr.com]

You didn't did you Goran ?

Instead, you researched this:
[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org]

FYRoM anti-Hellenic - anti-Western Propaganda site, where everything Hellenic and Western is Beliittled and Rubbished.

FYRoM's Slavs have been raised on Turkocentric - Afrocentric
- Slavist oriented revisionism and pseudo-history.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated pseudo-historians took something good like the classics and Rubbished them...converted them into something Vulgar!
 Quoting: War Lord


The only pseudo-historian is you.

Proud Greek but posting from England?

Go back to your shithole country and crumble with the rest of the monuments.
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 26453219

Infantile little TurkoSlavo Monkey!

Greeks have right to defend-protect their National-history - heritage - cultural-inheritence from the likes of Slavist-orientated revisionist pseudo-historians like You!

Macedonians are Greek from since the days of King Karanus 808 - 778 BC. An ancient - historic - regional people-group
of ethnic-Greek stock.

Ethnicity = Pride...Ethnic-Greek = Proud-Greek, right down to my blue and white socks!

Now tell me about your Pride!
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Nick the Great would be perfect example of Athenian. Not an Greek.

Athenians were known like arrogant pricks who were many times crushed and from North and from South because of their stupid arrogance.

There was no Greek ever that was declared Emperor of the Slavs , but were few so called Slavs ( Serbs ) who were Emperors of the Greeks.

Know your History you Athenian and go back building your monuments..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23058480

FYRoM Sickness: Symptoms include Greek Envy coupled with delusions of granduer!

Thick Illiterate Monkey!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 26453219


I'm not from FYRom and you are simply prick from turdistan.

If you knew anything about Ancient Greece you would notice that I adressed you the way Spartans were regularly addressing Athenians.

and now go borrow some more money.
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The Idea that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the rightful heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy is an abhorrent Idea, confined only to the realms of revisionism and pseudo-history. Macedonians have always been a Greek speaking peoples from Dorian Hellenic stock...a racially different people-group from the Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM.

FYRoM's ancestral-forebears are the Slavic tribes recorded in the historical archives as having settled the Eastern-Roman Empire during the dark ages onwards...from 6th - 9th Century AD. FYRoM's Slavic ancestors are the Berziti, Draguvites, Ezerites, Melingoi, Recchines, Sagudats, Smolyani, Strymonites, Velegesites, Zagorites. None of them self-Identified or self-determined as Macedonians, that term was unheard of, foreign to Slavs.

The Idea that the Macedonians cross-fertilized with the Slavs, and through this union were absorbed into the Slavic Milieu, is an opprobrius Idea, given that the demographic composition of the area was made up of Greek-speakers that self-Identified as "Romioi" Eastern-Romans. The Macedonian term, along with other ancient-Hellenic regional-tribal names were ditched, disregarded to oblivion in favour of the universal - supra-National term Romioi...meaning Roman.

That the Eastern-Roman (Byzantine) Empire absorbed multitudes of exogenous, NoN-Greek peoples into it's dominion and Hellenized them, is a recorded fact...the Hellenic element being the catalyst, the binding force which connects Greeks and Hellenized-peoples back to the golden-age, an epoch where Hellenic Ideals and core values set the standard.

Todays Greeks are the sole legitimate heirs and inheritors of the (Byzantine) Eastern-Roman legacy. The path of least resistance connects Greeks to Byzantium, and through them, Greeks connect to an older heritage...the Hellenic one.

FYRoM has spent the last 21 years trying to persuade and convince the outside world that they are the legitimate heirs to the ancient-Macedonian legacy when there is nothing Macedonian about them. They call themselves ethnic-Macedonians and their country Macedonia when their is nothing Hellenic about them. The Hellenic element in FYRoM is completely missing.
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Man you are simply obsessed.\

Noone claims anything but you.

It is well known that Phillip had to conquer stubborn Athenians in order to defeat Persia.

This whole thread historically does not make any sense as those people were not neither Greek neither Slav in modern way of thinking and understanding.

Like Jews from Israel today are not the same people that were cleansed by the Romans.

And by the way today Greeks are mainly Turko kind of People.
Not Slavs.So do not tackle that subject.
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Man you are simply obsessed.\

1...Noone claims anything but you.

2...It is well known that Phillip had to conquer stubborn Athenians in order to defeat Persia.

3...This whole thread historically does not make any sense as those people were not neither Greek neither Slav in modern way of thinking and understanding.

4...Like Jews from Israel today are not the same people that were cleansed by the Romans.

5...And by the way today Greeks are mainly Turko kind of People. Not Slavs.So do not tackle that subject.
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1 - [link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] All kinds of claims made here. FYRoM anti-Hellenic - anti-Western - Propaganda site.

2 - Ok!

3 - Ok!

4 - Are there different kinds of Jews ? Can NoN-Jews use Jewish names for self-Identity and for self determination purposes ?

5 - TurkoSlavoMongol Monkey!
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Visited your grandgrandmother.

heheheh.:))
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Baby boy is basing his entire thesis on this passage:


"Caranus also came to Emathia with a large band of Greeks, being instructed by an oracle to seek a home in Macedonia. Here, following a herd of goats running from a downpour, he seized the city of Edessa, the inhabitants being taken unawares because of heavy rain and dense fog. Remembering the oracle’s command to follow the lead of goats in his quest for an empire, Caranus established the city as his capital, and thereafter he made it a solemn observance, wheresoever he took his army, to keep those same goats before his standards in order to have as leaders in his exploits the animals which he had had with him to found the kingdom. He gave the city of Edessa the name Aegae and its people the name Aegeads in memory of this service"

What you fail to understand is that Alexander the Great is not of this blood line.

Find the parents of Amyntas III of Macedon and we may forever understand his true lineage.

On a side note, I would literally beat the shit out of you if you spoke to me like that in person. The internet's anonymity saves the day again, scum.
1 Day... U will find what U R l00kin' for.
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Nick is correct that this Modern day Macedonia has no right to claim it's sole heritage to those times. And also the way they do it is very kitsch tasteless..
Greek have right to deny them that kind of Historic usurpation.

About everything else he is very wrong.
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Alexander was from Mixed families and no wonder he was trying to be friendly to various peoples as he saw himself and his own diversity in them and they saw him as their own.

Even today we have some tribes in Pakistan and Afghanistan that claim he was one of them. Not only from Turdistan.
But he was one of them too. :)

Considering Greeks and Alexander

They were not friends. It was Greeks that got together with Mobs of Babylon and possibly betrayed and poisoned him and tired to wipe out his whole family.

Greek Elite was also furious on Alexander that he did not aloud defeated Persians to be their slaves , but made friends with them. And that he did not believe their scholars who told that End of the World is at India , but went there personally with whole bunch of witnesses to prove them wrong.And they hated him for that.

So Greek have no claim to claim Historic Alexander either.

But one from Myth.. Yeah everyone claims him.Not only Nick the Greek
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I ASK MYSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER, WHY IN BELLOMORSKA MACEDONIA IN GREECE, YOU HAVE MACEDONIANS , OR SLAVIC TOPONIMES OF THE CITIES , TOWNS, RIVERS.

VODEN = WATER CITY
KOSTUR = BONED PLACE - LIKE KOSTURICA
VOLOS = VELES , THE FAMOUS SLAVIC GOD.
KOZANI = GOAT CITY - KOZAK, SIMULAR WITH KAZAK STAN IN RUS.

ASK YOUR SELF, AND YOU WILL FIND AN ANSWER.

THE SAME IS FOR ARTIFICIAL DAGESTANI STATE OF ALBANIA.

Berat , CITY IN THE M I D D L E OF ALBANIA WAS KNOWN AS THE BELIGRAD, BEOGRAD, WHITE CITY , BEFORE ISLAMIC HORDES COME INTO THE BALKAN.


GREEKS, TRY TO FIND THE TRUTH.
IN THE PREVIOUS EPOCH WE WERE LIVING IN SLAVIC CIVILIZATION.

FROM HAMBURG TO PERSIA
FROM BELO EGEJSKO MORE TO BLATNO (BALTIC) MORE.

OUR HISTORY IS REWRITTEN IN THE SAME MANNER AS IRISH OR SCOTTISH OR CELT HISTORY. BECAUSE OF THE EMPIRES APPETITES.

HAVING SAID THAT, PROTO SLAVIC PEOPLE WERE NOT UNITED, BUT VERY DIVIDED. SUCH AS MACEDONIANS, ILIRIANS, BELLARIANS (BULGARIANS), GOTHS - KOSSAKS OR RUS PEOPLE, DARDANS, TRAKIANS, ETC...
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Slavic people lose territories because of today's religions, and divide. And new nations were born from that.

When Religion will fall, YOU WILL SEE WHO WERE AND WHO ARE THE SLAVS. WHEN RUS AND POLAND WILL BECOME FRIENDS AND ALLIES, THERE WILL BE NO MORE so called WESTERN POWERS.

IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO ARE REALLY SLAVS, JUST READ VEDAS, the ancient Aria.

VEDAS COMES FROM SLAVIC Word to see VIDI, VIDETI, those Who see, those who posses the knowledge.

Even VISNU Indian god has Slavic name, meaning VISNI, VISEN or SVE VISEN. We say today SVE VISEN BOG, gospod, or SVE VISEN GOD. MEANING Almighty God.

Buda , or Budism, means in my language BUDEN, OR PRO BUDEN, AWAKEN ONE IN LITERAL TRANSLATION. THE SAME NAME OF THE CITY OF BUDIMIR CITY, OR BUDIM PEST TODAY.

Ancient Aria was religion of the previous EPOCH, epoch of the Slavic Race (and Celtic).

I can speak of Persia for 2 hours , but I will tell you the name o Tehran, before Islamic Hordes took in their possession.
IT WAS CALLED RAY, OR SHALL I SAY RAJ. MEANING PARADISE IN SLAVIC LANGUAGE.
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If you think that I am saying nonsense , that is OK. But afterward PLEASE read the ORIGINS of the names of the GERMAN CITIES,Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden, Rostock.
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1...What you fail to understand is that Alexander the Great is not of this blood line.

2...Find the parents of Amyntas III of Macedon and we may forever understand his true lineage.

3...On a side note, I would literally beat the shit out of you if you spoke to me like that in person. The internet's anonymity saves the day again, scum.
 Quoting: War Lord

1 - Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon. What is there to understand Goran!

2 - look here Goran [link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] Look properly and you shall find Amyntas III Hellenic lineage.

3 - I doubt that Goran. Fully skilled...British trained, in the arts of defense.

Macedonians are the Greeks from since the days of King Karanus. [link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] European Kingdoms - Ancient-Greece
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1...Nick is correct that this Modern day Macedonia has no right to claim it's sole heritage to those times. And also the way they do it is very kitsch tasteless..
Greek have right to deny them that kind of Historic usurpation.

2...About everything else he is very wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15809441

1...Thank You Dude!

2...Thank You Anyway. I can take criticism!
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Alexander was from Mixed families and no wonder he was trying to be friendly to various peoples as he saw himself and his own diversity in them and they saw him as their own.

Even today we have some tribes in Pakistan and Afghanistan that claim he was one of them. Not only from Turdistan.
But he was one of them too. :)

Considering Greeks and Alexander

They were not friends. It was Greeks that got together with Mobs of Babylon and possibly betrayed and poisoned him and tired to wipe out his whole family.

Greek Elite was also furious on Alexander that he did not aloud defeated Persians to be their slaves , but made friends with them. And that he did not believe their scholars who told that End of the World is at India , but went there personally with whole bunch of witnesses to prove them wrong.And they hated him for that.

So Greek have no claim to claim Historic Alexander either.

But one from Myth.. Yeah everyone claims him.Not only Nick the Greek
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The path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path. Greeks are the sole legitimate heirs to the Byzantine Eastern-Roman legacy. Through them, the Byzantines, Greeks connect to an older heritage...the Hellenic one.

Macedonians are Dorian-Greek - an ancient - historical -
regional - people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

[link to www.historyfiles.co.uk] European Kingdoms - Ancient Greece
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To have a neighbour next door to you attempt to decorate his house the same as yours - to adorn the walls of his house with the same fixtures and fittings as yours is rather spooky, but it gets too wierd when that neighbour starts to use your name and Identity, and then attempts to have it registered as his.

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door to each other, but if one John Smith attempts to usurp the Identity of the other one - that is called Identity theft!

The above analogy describes perfectly the situation between FYRoM and Greece!

FYRoM is a newly emergent country that entered onto the world stage in 1991 from the disintegration of the old-Yugoslavia. The way it achieved Independence was unlike the way one would have expected. The transition to Independence was achieved remarkably peacefully. FYRoM made it's debut onto the world stage using the name Republic of Macedonia and then embarked on making it's presence felt in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a region of the world steeped in Greek history.

Slavists from FYRoM immediately took the opportunity to re-invoke Makedonism - an Ideology based on Slavic expansion, southwards into Greece and then onwards to the Aegean sea.

Makedonists in FYRoM paint and decorate their country in the colours and styles found typically in the Hellenic world. Place-names and street-furniture began to appear in the Hellenic style, with gigantic statues and grand-archways erected in the classicist Hellenic format. The country began to take on the look and feel of a Theme-Park, based on Greco-Macedonian hero figures and Hellenistic architecture.

For Greeks to watch their new neighbour do these things, to promote Greek-culture and take on Greek names was initially very flattering - until they realised that FYRoM was not doing it to laud the Greeks, instead, they were doing it to spite the Greeks, to ridicule and humiliate them.

FYRoM's devotion to Makedonism...an expansionist Ideology, promulgates the seperation of Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks. Greeks now view FYRoM as being hostile towards them. Greeks consider FYRoM's actions hostile and provocative.

When a neighbour paints and decorates his house the same as yours, and then takes on your name, and then adorns the walls with pictures and portaits of your ancestral forbears - and then petitions to register these changes as exclusively his own...what would you do ???

This is the predicament the Greeks face - having FYRoM for a neighbour!
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Is Macedonia Hellenic YES or NO ? Well, it entirely depends on which Macedonia one is talking about? If one is talking about the Ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - then the answer is YES! If one is talking about Macedonia II Salutaris - then the answer is NO!

Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris is where FYRoM is situated right Now! FYRoM is situated in an administrative-district the latin-Romans named Macedonia II Salutaris, an add-on to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, hence the Romans made a distinction - they differentiated the added-on part, the beneficial Salutaris part from the original, Greek, Macedonia-Prima part.

FYRoM is Macedonia-Secunda, it means, the Second-Macedonia! It has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon where Alexander the Great was born, making FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity rooted in classical antiquity absurd, and nonsensical. Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedonia...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these!

FYRoM is a New Slavic country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula which established itself only recently in 1991.

FYRoM strives to build a National-Identity on the basis: The name of their language is called Macedonian and the name of the land on which they reside on is called Republic of Macedonia. FYRoM seeks global recognition as an Independant sovereign state under that Macedonian name but for Greek objections. Greece objects to FYRoM naming itself after an ancient-archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name, on the basis: The first Macedonians were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples integral to the Greek world. Their
name belongs in the Greek domain whilst their Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Greece strives to protect the Macedonian name from being usurped by NoN-Greek peoples at the National level. If Greece did not object to FYRoM using the Macedonian-name for their New Slavic Country, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity...FYRoM would become a Nation of Slavic speaking Macedonians with perceived rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy - which Greece is trying to protect in order to keep Greek.

So there we have it: in the most simplistic of terms, FYRoM seeks to build a National-Identity based around the Macedonian name, whilst Greece seeks to protect it's National history - heritage and cultural-inheritence from being usurped by a New Slavic country just recently being established in the Balkans.

For 21 years, South-Slavs Rubbished Greeks history in order they could take the Macedonian-name and Identity for themselves, no matter the cost! The cost has been high for them in terms of damage caused to young Slavic children and FYRoM's reputation abroad.

FYRoM relies on the the twin alters of revisionism and pseudo-history to bolster it's claims to a Macedonian-Identity rooted in classical antiquity - something the country's Slavic heritage is at odds with. FYRoM has used state sponsored propaganda to promote the case for a Proto-Slavic origin for Macedonians - making enemies out of Greece and the international academic community.

Greece, from the beginning has held the moral and academic high ground, on the basis...the International academic community support and endorse the Greek-Hellenic Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. FYRoM disrespects the findings of world academia - a respected International body, citing: Greece has always paid for their support! History like archeology is a science, the two compliment each other and both academic disciplines place the ancient-Macedonians in with the Greek collective of peoples.
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Historically speaking, the term Macedonia always referred to a region - an ancient-Kingdom in Northern Greece. Never did it refer to ethnicity or Nationality as FYRoM would have us believe. FYRoM as a newly established Slavic country cannot monopolize the Macedonian-name on the basis of an opportunistic whim...Macedonian-Identity has been associated with Greeks from since antiquity. There are 2.5 Million Greeks inhabiting proper Macedonia, they have fraternal, cultural, linguistic and historic ties to the Macedonian region.

Greek-Macedonians cannot be asked to relinquish their regional-Identity just to appease the whims of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs. The right to self-determination cannot ride roughshod over the rights of autochthonous natives that have been using the Macedonian-name for self-Identity for Milleniums. Nobody has the right to underestimate our collective Intelligence!

FYRoM abused the right to self-determination the moment it decided to take a Greek-Hellenic name for National-Identity - analysts viewed this action as an opportunistic attempt at taking from the Greeks, elements from their cultural-heritage in order to present them as something NoN-Greek and Slavic.

FYRoM exists, not through the self-determination of its own peoples, who would rather revert back to their Serbian and Bulgarians roots but through the political designs of an ages old doctrine. FYRoM would not exist but for those Slavists who demand it. This alone, explains why FYRoM will always remain an anomaly - a political and economic failure!
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The Idea that ancient-Macedonians were not real Greeks, just Hellenized-Slavs was propagated by FYRoM Slavists, not happy with how the Slavic-race was scripted into our common European history books.

The Idea that Macedonians were proto-Slavs that adopted Hellenism, was only ever in the minds of some Slavists wanting to leap-frog the Slavic-race back to a time before the ancient-Greek tribes formed.

In the Slavist mind, Greeks monopolize a huge slice
of ancient history - so they want some of it. They want to script the Slavic-race a history and a history as equal and as Illustrious as the Greek one.

Slavists scripted FYRoM a history and a heritage so crude and so crass it got rejected by the international academic community who classified it as revisionism - pseudo-history, fit only for the trash-bin.

FYRoM's pseudo-historians took something good like the classics and converted them into something Vulgar! They made the ancient-Macedonians proto-Slavs and taught their children - pupils - students to think of themselves that way. Greeks live next to South-Slavs who think they are connected more to the Macedonians of lore than the Greeks.
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How bright does one need to be to dismiss out of hand - the Idea that Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were Slavic speakers from FYRoM. How much Intellectually endowed does one have to get, to figure out that FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity are completely bogus, unfounded without basis and without foundation. How smart does one have to be, to figure out Alexander the Great was the Greek king of Macedon - a cursory look at any one of the many On-line Encyclopaedias, reveal that simple historical fact. How knowledgeable does one have to be, to figure out that FYRoM's claim to a Macedonian-Identity is misguided, completely erroneous, not rooted in historical verity. How learned does one have to get, to fathom out that a nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism has never ever existed in historical verity. How much Intelligence does one need, to connect Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity to Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. At what stage during the educational process does it become common-knowledge - linking Macedonians with Hellenism. How much education does one need to attain a level of knowledge considered adequate, to connect ancient-Macedonians with the rest of the Greeks. How much Information do FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs need before it dawns on them that Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-people. How much schooling does one need, to link FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs. At what level of enlightenment does one need to reach, to figure out that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or told they are!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Only hardened propagandists or severely brainwashed Individuals equate Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity with Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs from FYRoM.
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How Silly can FYRoM get, trying to persuade an educated world - Macedonians were proto-Slavs! How Silly of FYRoM, trying to convince the International community, the Macedonians of lore were Slavic speakers. Lest we forget, the Macedonian-name was born under Hellenic skys - spawned from Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples.

These are crimes - Identity theft and cultural thievery, ethical and moral crimes. This is what FYRoM does when it takes from Greeks, elements from their cultural-heritage.

FYRoM's Slavs figure...If the country is called Macedonia, Macedonian-Nationality follows - by default, and if the language is called Macedonian, then Macedonian-Ethnicity follows - by default! With a configuration like this:

1 - Country = Macedonia
2 - Nationality = Macedonian
3 - Language = Macedonian
4 - Ethnicity = Macedonian

FYRoM plans on taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks...but for Greek Objections!

FYRoM's Slavic-speaking peoples may have been Greek-speakers before Slavication...that makes them partially-Greek - Slavs from Greek heritage. But this does not give them priority or superior rights to the Macedonian-name - it does not even place them on an equilibrium with Greeks, on the basis, Macedonians stayed loyal to Hellenism.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...Only Greeks have legitimate connections to Alexander the Greats legacy. Only Greeks can boast to be the cultural-custodians of the ancient-Macedonian legacy.
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, told they are, or want to be - on the basis, their Slavic-heritage distances them from that ambition. FYRoM's response to that observation is to simply deny that they are Slavs. But if they are not Slavs, then what are they...and why do the Slavic countries include them into their collective - Slavdom.

If what they say is true, that they are not Slavic - just Slavicized, then what were they before Slavicization. What language did they speak before they adopted the Slavonic-language and when did all this happen.

If FYRoM is not a Slavic-country, then the peoples their have a right to know the truth about themselves - about their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic backround.

If it turns-out that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are just Slavicized Macedonian-Greeks - then they should take steps to make that news public. And when that information has become common-knowledge...the political leadership there should take these next steps shortly afterwards:

1 - Unilaterally release FYRoM from the Shackles of Slavdom.

2 - Proclaim the country a Hellenic outpost.

3 - Tell the world - FYRoM is inhabited by Slavic-speakers from Greek-Hellenic heritage.

4 - Agitate for Union with Hellas with special dispensation for quasi-autonomous rights.

5 - Macedonia is at peace - under Hellenic skys.

6 - Greek-speaking Macedonians welcome their Slavic-speaking brothers and sisters with open arms!

7 - Macedonia for the Macedonians. Happy days!

Some things cannot be changed: (i) The demographic composition of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula, (ii) The demographic history of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, (iii) The Ethnic-Racial - Cultural-Linguistic Identity of the Macedonians...both past and present.

Macedonians are the Greeks from since the days of King Karanus 808 - 778 BC. Some things cannot change. Some things were never to be changed.