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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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Why did it take 1,400 years for the Slavs of FYRoM to call themselves Macedonian. Why did it take that long to adopt the Macedonian-name. Why do the Slavs of FYRoM call themselves "ethnic-Macedonians" when their parent-ethnicity is Slavic. Why do the Slavs of FYRoM consider the Slavic label to be a racial slur. Why do they reject the Greek-Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity - Why ?

Adopting a Greek-name means showing some Greek credentials. They call them "Macedonian" but those credentials are no different from the core Greek ones, which tilts FYRoM more towards Hellenism than towards Slavdom. By taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks, they incrementally shift away from Slavdom, from their Slavic roots and ethno-origins - moving more towards Hellenism, becoming more Hellenic, in the way they have to present themselves...a natural consequence they did not cater for.

Making Macedonians out of South-Slavs is not that hard considering they can be made under the right conditions. Those conditions were prevalent during WWII inside wartime Yugoslavia, where the Communist regime there schemed and plotted to take Northern-Greek territory by stealth or by military means.

That Slavs could be socially-engineered and ethnically-manipulated to develop ethnic-pride, national-feelings and collective-memories for ancient-Greeks is a reality, the example is FYRoM. Under those very strict, very controlled, authoritarian conditions, Communists made Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs.

In FYRoM, the peoples there speak Slavic...they are considered Slavs and included into the Slavic collective. Slavdom includes them into the fold.

In FYRoM, the peoples there appear to have developed a new realm, they neither see themselves being fully Slavic or fully Hellenic, just Macedonian - Macedonian for them means speaking Serbo-Bulgarian, living in Paeonia, having King Philip of Macedon for ancestor and having his son Alexander the Great for hero.
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The Macedonians first known ethnogenic-Identity was Greek-Hellenic. The Macedonians first known cultural-linguistic Identity was Greek-Hellenic. Macedonians Identified as Greeks, they saw themselves that way, integral to the Hellenic collective...a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock. Who is that imbecilic to contest the Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity but the Slavs of FYRoM.

Only in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia do they teach their children, students and pupils, a different version of our common ancient-European history.

Because FYRoM acquired the Macedonian name for the first time back in 1945, Slavic children were systematically coerced to think of themselves Macedonian. From that time till now, three generations of them have been raised to believe in a Slavic Alexander the Great. The fact they spoke Slavic did not appear strange to them...as far as they were concerned, their language was Macedonian, the same language spoken in antiquity by King Philip of Macedon.

In FYRoM today, there are children walking the streets thinking themselves Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity - these children think Greeks stole their name, their land, their history, heritage, symbols, flags and hereditary insignia. For these children, Greeks are the enemy.

Only a hardened propagandist or a severely brainwashed individual equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with the Macedonians of lore - only in FYRoM, do they socially engineer and ethnically manipulate young Slavic children to
think of themselves Macedonians when Macedonians started off as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and never stopped, they are still here today...the same!
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In the Balkans, there are peoples there who speak Slavic, look mediterenean and follow Islam - conversely, there are peoples there that speak Turkish, look Slavic and follow Orthodox Christendom...evidently, both the Turkic, and the Slavic elements must have interacted at various stages during the past.

In the Balkans, the peoples there form a true reflection of the mosaic of different cultures that decided to settle there and make it their home. In the Balkans, both the Slavic and Turkic elements must have interacted with the local native Greek one, to give them that distinct look unique to the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Ultimately, we are who we are today through circumstance and by chance...an inheritance passed down to us from our ancestors, our immediate forebears. It was through their decisions, through their conscious choices that we find ourselves where we are today - like some of us in Slavic speaking areas and some of us not...like some of us following Islam and some of us not. What our immediate ancestors had to do, was their decision to make!

If through circumstance and by chance, you make a conscious decision to uproot yourself and your family - for better prospects elswhere...you are setting the stage for your future descendants to incrementally distance themselves away from their roots and ethno-origins.

In the Balkans, there are peoples walking around who are still not fully aware from where they originate!
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[link to www.pnas.org] The
peoples of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula largely descend from native common stock, the same gene-pool with outlying provincial variations. The peoples there carry a genetic signature who's footprint is found covering all those places where the ancient-Greeks dwelt, defusing the further away it gets from the main central core - the Hellenic heartlands. [link to www.pnas.org] In the genetic maps of Luca Cavali-Sforza, the Greek-Hellenic colonization of antiquity is clearly illustrated in Map 4.
From South-Italy in the West to Anatolia in the East, and from Crete in the South, to the Danube in the North, the Greeks left something more than just their language and culture - they left their genetic mark, a genetic footprint which matches their expansion from 800 BC.

All of Greeces neighbours carry some of that Greek stuff in the biological make-up. All of Greeces neighbours could claim partial-Greek ancestry - with partial-Greek rights to that inheritance, if they wanted it. Partial-Greeks are the Bulgarians and the Southern-most Slavs, according to Cavali-Sforza...Anatolian-Turks too.

In the case of Bulgarians - they claim partial-Thracian ancestry rather than partial-Greek ancestry...Turks do the same. North-West Anatolian-Turks claim partial-Thracian ancestry whilst Aegean-Turks claim ancestry from the ancient-Trojans. Bulgars and Turks shy away from claiming partial-Greek ancestry and have never staked claims to Greek
heritage directly. Thrace is an ancient geographic-region which is shared by Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey. A break-away group from any those countries wanting to establish an independent nation state called "The Republic of Thrace" would never be tolerated making the Idea a NoN-Starter in the first place, with zero chance of materializing.

Like Thrace - Macedonia is an ancient geographic-region. In this case, it is shared by Greece 52%, Bulgaria 9%, FYRoM 38%, and Albania 1%. It must be stressed here that the Greek portion of Macedonia constitutes the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - the rest of the area aquired the name courtesy of latin-Roman rule, when Paeonia and Dardania were added to Macedonia-Prima for administrative purposes.

In the case of FYRoM, things were different. Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia resurrected "Macedonia II Salutaris" the latin-Roman extension to rename a South-Serbian province called Vardaska-Banovina. Slavists converted a province into
a republic - The Peoples Republic of Macedonia was born in 1945. With a Macedonian-language specially developed in 1944
and a Socialist Republic superceding the Peoples Republic in 1946, the Slavs had done something that was deemed nigh-on impossible - they created a Slavic Macedonian-Nation State.

Come 1991 - FYRoM opted to take a different course...the peoples there learned to use their partial-Greek ancestry in an anti-Hellenic way - they learned to usurp, lock, stock and barrel, the history and heritage of Macedonia from ancient times to the present.

In the Balkans we are all mixed - some of us more than others, that is why this statement is very important: The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Nobody is more closer to the Macedonians of lore than the ones who continue to follow Hellenism and the Hellenic way, it is they who have the entitlement, above and beyond those who follow Slavdom and the Slavic way!
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Someone really needs to make Nicky the Geeky swallow a big ol' dose of shut up already

yoda


get over it boy; Alex was not Greek period!You still will have your echo to talk to



sincerely
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he was a Scotsman.
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There are many anomalous inconsistancies with FYRoM's choice
for self-determination name.

The first and foremost inconsistancy is this one: The Macedonian name they adopted is much older than their Slavic ancestors arival to the region. FYRoM's text-book reply to this anomaly is very crude, it goes like this: Their Slavic ancestors mixed with the local ancient-Macedonians, and through this union, the resulting amalgam inherited the Macedonian-name for self-Identity.

The second inconsistancy is this one: They speak Slavic now but call it Macedonian - so what language did the local ancient-Macedonians speak before they adopted Slavic. FYRoM's text-book reply to this anomaly is very crass, it goes like this: They call it Language-shift...it shifted from the original Centum-Greek to the Satem-Slavic through a natural process called language-shift.

The third inconsistancy is this one: FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian land south of Skopje, and ancient-Dardanian land north of Skopje...FYRoM was never part of the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - so why is it called Republic of Macedonia, when there is nothing Macedonian there. FYRoM's text-book reply to this anomaly is very uncouth and unrefined, it goes like this: Some Roman maps depict and illustrate the Greek peninsula split between Achaea and Macedonia. Achaea was for the Greeks and Macedonia for the Macedonians.

There is a fourth, a fifth and sixth inconsistancy, in-fact there are so many anomalies the list goes on and on, too numerous to mention...suffice to say, nobody takes FYRoM seriously anymore, the name they covet for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes has proven itself to be thoroughly Greek in all of the ways that matter - FYRoM trying to prove otherwise, has earned it a bad reputation for being the usurper of Greek names, symbols, history and heritage.
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Macedonia:Thoroughly Greek Name

The Macedonian-name has proven itself to be a thoroughly Greek-name - Only Greeks can use it sincerely, in the genuine sense. NoN-Greeks wanting to use this name should stipulate in precise terms, their association to it, like regional-Identity possibly, followed-up by their parent-ethnicity...this is the format protocol the Greeks use for self-Identity and for self-determination.

A Greek would introduce himself to another Greek using his regional-tribal Identity in the first instance, then anticipate a reciprocal response. A Greek would introduce himself to a foreigner using the same format...regional-Identity in the first instance followed-up by parent-ethnicity in the second instance, then awaite a reciprocal response. In practice, the procedure is simple and uncomplicated.

If the peoples of FYRoM were to adopt Greek protocols for
self-Identity and for self-determination purposes, the procedure would make them Macedonians in the first-instance courtesy of their regional-Identity, and Slavic in the second-instance, courtesy of their parent-ethnicity.

To argue that the Macedonian-name is not Greek in order to usurp it, then proceed to apply that name exclusively to yourself, your country, your ethnicity, your language and your nationality...are actions so hostile to Greeks, you invite them to take defensive actions to protect their history and heritage.

European names are important to Europeans - more important to the people-groups that originated the name in the first place. There is no question about that, no argument that the Macedonian-name originated under Hellenic skies from Greek-speaking peoples using a Hellenic Centum language.

Macedonia is a thoroughly Greek name - who got the front, the gall or the bottle to argue that!
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For the last 3-4 Millenniums, the place where modern Hellas is situated displays a continuous presence of peoples that have always shared a common Hellenic collective-consciousness, with common collective-memories, common-traditions, common-language and common-religion...traites and attributes which ultimately connect them back, in backwards-compatible fashion to previous generations of Greeks stretching all the way back to the Mycaenean proto-Greeks. Macedonians were integral to this, important part of this, they Identified with this collective - Greeks to the core. FYRoM has No right to rubbish this! Under what rights, conventions, protocols do the [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM have, to cast them differently. Macedonia has always been a Greek inhabited region...I mean ofcourse, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - not the Roman administered region where FYRoM is right now.

By virtue of the fact, FYRoM sits on Roman administered lands called Macedonia II Salutaris during their rule, only entitles them to Identify themselves regionally by that name. It must be stressed though...the region called Macedonia today is not what Macedonia was in ancient-times, the area was extended and enlarged to incorporate Paeonia and Dardania, this is where FYRoM is situated right now.

It is true, the peoples living in FYRoM today are Macedonians in the regional sense because they live in geographic-Macedonia, they are not alone though, Greeks Bulgars and Albanians live there too - much like Germans, French and Spanish live in Europe and call themselves by that name. Nobody can seriously object to them calling themselves Macedonians, like nobody can object to Germans French and Spanish calling themselves Europeans...the Identity is geographic, and the term is used by more than one country.

Macedonians have always been Greek and they have always live there...in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - Nobody has the right to underestimate the worlds collective intelligence on matters Macedonian. FYRoM must stop the Silliness and return the Macedonian back in the Greek domain where it belongs. Ancient-Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage whilst the modern version can be used in it's regional connotation today to describe Greeks, Slavs and to a lesser degree, Albanians.
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The [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM do not respect themselves enough to Identify after their own parent-ethnicity. They rubbish Slavdom when they do that. They ridicule the Slavic race when they use the Macedonian-name to Identify with - an ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name which is much older than their ancestors settlement of the area. FYRoM's rejection of their Slavic ethnogenic beginnings is a major embarrassment to Slavdom. To have a recently established Slavic country like FYRoM tell the world they are "ethnic-Macedonians," the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity must be very humiliating for Slavdom...to hear Slavic speaking peoples not being able to differentiate themselves from the original
Hellenic speaking Macedonians. To have Slavic-speaking peoples disrespect Slavdom is one thing, but to have them disrespect the international academic community is quite another - it has cast FYRoM as the distorter of ancient-European history and cast them also the usurper of Greek names, symbols, history and heritage.

FYRoM alienated a whole nation of Hellenes against them, a global population exceeding some 20 Million peoples both at home and abroad...the Greeks focus on FYRoM's anti-Hellenic jibes and act accordingly - Slavdom is focused on FYRoM now, like a lazer beam, uneasy at the way the peoples there reluctantly use their Slavic heritage.
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Slavic-Macedonians and Greek-Macedonians form two distinct, quite different people-groups. The parent-ethnicity is obvious and clearly discernible - Slavic on the one side and Hellenic on the other side. A distinction can be made on the basis of this differentiation.

Another distinction can be made on the basis of linguistic-nomenclature - the Slavs of FYRoM use Makedonci, Makedonski, Makedonija, to describe themselves, their language and their country, whilst the Hellenes of Greece use the nomenclature Makethones, Ellinika, Ellada.

We know that Slavic-Macedonians self-Identify as Makedonci inside their own country-Makedonija, using their own Makedonski-language. We know that Greek-Macedonians self-Identify as Makethones inside their own country-Ellada using their own Ellinika-language.

Two distinctions can be made using (i) parent-ethnicity, and (ii) linguistic-nomenclature to differentiate FYRoM's Slavic-Macedonians from Greeces Hellenic-Macedonians - to end the long-running, 21 year-old, name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece.

Ofcourse, there is no real incentive for FYRoM to do that, to compromise, in order to end the dispute...as far as they are concerned, they are 90% where they want to be - Macedonian-speaking Macedonians, from the Republic of Macedonia, this is how they see themselves.

The adjective "Macedonian" is applicable to the peoples of more than one country...it is a geographic-term which nowadays describes Greeks, Slavs and Albanians. The problem arises when the Slavs of FYRoM attempt to convert an otherwise regional-geographic Identity into an ethnic-racial one. There is no such thing as an ethnic-Macedonian, such ethnicity does not exist except in the minds of some brainwashed South-Slavs from FYRoM who were cruelly indoctrinated into that belief.

The original Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...their name is older, much older than FYRoM's Slavic ancestors arrival to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon - a time continuum spanning a Millennium from the death of Alexander the Great.

FYRoM wants a Greek-name to self-Identify with, and to self-determine with. FYRoM even disputes the names Greek-Hellenic credentials, contrary to the massive stockpile of accumulated evidence - FYRoM insists, it is just Macedonian and unique only to them, because only they are Macedonian speaking Macedonians from the Republic of Macedonia.

There is no chance FYRoM could usurp the Macedonian-name for their new Slavic-country, nationality, language and ethnicity - the Greeks wont let them, on the basis, it is one their ancestral regional-tribal names. European-names are important to Europeans...more important to the people-groups that originated them in the first place. Macedonia is a Greek-name, it describes the native Hellenic-peoples that originated the name in the first place. Macedonia has always been Greek and Greeks have always lived there...who got bottle to Rubbish This!
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Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples from since the days of King Karanus. Greeks by speech and by genus, and by all the other ways that make one Greek...but what is it that makes people Greek ?

Culture and language are potent Identity factors but they are not the only ones. When people-groups share these things and more, the defining element is usually encapsulated in the name of the language. Peoples of the same speech and same genus are far more likely to Identify with the original creators of their ethno-linguistic name than say, peoples who differ from them on that basis.

Genes and haplogroups are potent Identity factors but not the only ones. When people-groups share these things, you can see it, it shows in their morphology, but their blood and Dna might not reflect faithfully their ethnic-pride or national-feelings, those things are passed-down from the ancestors - or learned!

When dominant-cultures assimilate other cultures, blood and Dna get absorbed also. When the ancient-Greeks Hellenized neighbouring cultures, they absorbed Thracians, Illyrians and Kelts into their collective, the assimilation process ensured that the host culture and language dominated.

Greeks are Greek on the basis of their speech and genus - this is the way the Byzantine Emperors Identified with their imperial collective...born on Greek soil from Greek-speaking parents. It was frowned upon, to marry outside the conventions of the ecclesiastical system of the empire, so Greeks married other Greeks - fourth generation fully assimilated ones included.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are not Macedonians on the basis of their speech or genus...these things make them Slavic. To be the Macedonians they want to be -
they must Hellenize and waite for the assimilation process to kick-in, usually on the 4th generation. After four generations, when the peoples there are walking and talking like Greeks, who would want to contest their Greekness!
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La Gioconda or..

Logic (from the Greek λογική, logikē)[1] refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid, and which are fallacious)[2][3] and the use of valid reasoning. In the latter sense, logic is used in most intellectual activities
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Greek

[edit] Pronunciation
IPA: [lɔʝiˈci]

[edit] Noun

λογική (logikí) f, uncountable
1.logic

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[show ▼] declension of λογική







[edit] Derived terms
λογικεύω (logikévo, “to think/behave reasonably”)
λογικά (logiká, “logically”)
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Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "unit" from μόνος monos, "alone"),[1] according to the Pythagoreans, was a term for Divinity or the first being, or the totality of all beings,[citation needed] Monad being the source or the One meaning without division. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

so ligic isthe same as mo-nas ..a female...a La Joconde [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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and of course the hellenic greeks came up with that one
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Monad (philosophy) = f-emale (philosophy)
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all just one....

' You almost expect to hear: "she was a fine philosopher -- for a woman" when hearing about ancient female prodigies. After all, our predecessors' opportunities, especially if they were "respectable" women, were nearly non-existent. ' [link to ancienthistory.about.com]
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Because the Macedonian-name originated under Hellenic skies, and because it was created by Greek-speaking peoples using a Centum Indo-European, Hellenic-language - those things make it Greek, those facts make it an ancestral place-name unique to the Greeks, a people-name and place-name applicable only to Greek-Hellenic-peoples...creators and originators of the name in the first place.

A real authentic-Macedonian is a Greek-speaking Hellenic person from Macedonia, the real Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon located in Northern-Greece.

Real Macedonians are the Greeks that have been there for generations on Long-Stay basis, who can trace and validate their ancestral presence there through Church records or other such demographic-census statistics - or it can be Greeks who only recently arived there from elsewhere, Short-Stay Greeks who made Macedonia their home through chance or circumstance.

The principle determining factor which ultimately determines
real authentic-Macedonian from fake-Macedonian is the parent-ethnicity...the Hellenic factor.

Macedonia(n) - This term is applicable only to Greeks...Greeks who live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

What do the [ex-Yugo] Slavs from FYRoM have to do with real Macedonia ?
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Macedonia:Propaganda Doesn't Lie - Just Distorts The Truth

Propaganda doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. FYRoM doesn't lie, it just doesn't tell the whole truth, instead, it uses half-truths and other such propaganda-tools...this is how the Makedonists in FYRoM sell their Ideological agenda to the general public there, in that country.

In FYRoM, the new generation are completely sold on the Idea they are Macedonians and Alexander the Great is their hero, their legitimate ancestor. The Greeks protest at their Silliness but after 21 years, more and more Slavic children there are being lured into the Makedonist dream wonderland of FYRoM's ruling elite. On their will and on their command, this new Slavic statelet has taken on the facade of pre-Roman classical-antiquity, where the practice of erecting gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's next neo-classical style buildings has made Skopje, the capital city, take on the appearance of a Theme-Park, similar to the looks of that Casino style architecture associated with Las Vagas.

FYRoM's propaganda against Greece and Hellenism doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. All references to the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity are simply erased, and the term Hellenic is forbidden to appear anywhere near the term Macedonian for fear of association between the two...this is how FYRoM Rubishes Hellenism.

It is not a lie to call Alexander the Great the Macedonian-King of Macedon rather than the Greek-King of Macedon, it's just a gross distortion of the whole truth...a half-truth! This is how FYRoM's revisionist pseudo-historians get away with luring young Slavic children, pupils and students into Makedonism - a Slavist based expansionist Ideology which sets out to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs, the intention ofcourse, is to one-day, lay claims to Northern-Greek Macedonian-territory.

Tell a Slavic child he is Macedonian...tell him, Greeks occupy Aegean-Macedonia - now tell that child Alexander the Great is Macedonian and Greeks try to steal his legacy by bribing the international academic community, a world body of knowledge that includes classicist-historian scholars and other such academically minded peoples, peoples who staked their whole professional carears on the dissemination of Graeco-Roman history.

Propaganda doesn't lie - it just distorts the truth. FYRoM's
anti-Hellenic propaganda has been noticed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office...precisely the reason why the country is being shunned, kept at arms length, at a distance until the peoples there learn the whole truth about Macedonians.

Macedonians have always been Greek...a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock - can FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda really Rubbish This!
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Young people in FYRoM are discouraged from learning key and vital areas of information about themselves, that traditionally, historically, culturally, linguistically, ethnically and racially they have always been Slavic, a South-Slavic people-group of Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Their parent-ethnicity always being Slavic, something primordial and God-given, something which should never be changed or altered, something to be cherished, defended and protected.

The reason for the discouragement is because it interferes with Makedonism, a Slavist based doctrine which teaches young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonian in the first instance and Slavic only as a consequence. The Slavic tribes entered the history books as relative latecomers, arriving in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula at the top-end of the 6th Century AD. Makedonists downplay FYRoM's Slavic affiliation to that of linguistic level only.

There are many theories Ideas and conjectures surrounding FYRoM's ethno-genesis story - the native indigenous Macedonian theory is the least convincing, on the basis, Macedonians entered the history books as Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples. If the peoples of FYRoM were truly native and indigenous, they would have spoken the Hellenic language first and Slavic only after Slavicisation. As if it wasn't confusing enough, Makedonists in FYRoM teach the young people there to see themselves as Macedonians and to see Greeks as the enemy.

Young people in FYRoM are thoroughly convinced that Greece is occupying 52% of their territory...Makedonist propaganda
teaches young Slavic children to view Greece as an occupying power, keeping 52% of their Macedonian territory under occupation. Greek-Macedonia is where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is situated - FYRoM's Makedonists have eyes for this region, they call it Aegean-Macedonia.

There is so much they dont know about Macedonia it is insulting to those who do know - FYRoM's Makedonists underestimated the worlds collective intelligence on matters Macedonian...churning out young Slavic people with the potential to embarrass Slavdom each and every time they open their mouths.
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For those who know about Macedonia, it's history, it's heritage, it's peoples ethno-linguistic cultural-Identity, know that what FYRoM is doing is wrong. Those who know about Macedonia know the place to have been an ancient-Greek Kingdom - the place which produced King Phillip II who begat Alexander the Great, who exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthest reaches of the then known ancient-world. With knowledge like this, it is easy to see why FYRoM is in the wrong. FYRoM vies and contests with Greece the Macedonians Greek-Hellenic credentials, in a very crude and crass way.
For those who know about Macedonia, from it's earliest beginnings, know that what FYRoM is doing. Wrong, on the basis, there is no chance it can succeed through revisionism, to alter the historical-narrative which scripts the ancient-Macedonians into the history books as a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock. For those who know about Macedonia, know, that FYRoM is using pseudo-historical propaganda to strip the Macedonians from their Greek-Hellenic ancestral base...something nigh-on impossible to do, except in FYRoM. Only in FYRoM, do the schools, colleges and universities there portray Macedonians
being something different to Greeks.

It is insulting to Greeks, to have a neighbour-country contest one of Hellenisms ancient and archaic, regional-tribal peoples-name and place-name. European-names are important to Europeans...they are more important to the people-groups that originated them in the first place.

It is disrespectful...not just to the Greeks, but to the International academic community, to have a country like FYRoM disregard their teachings on the subject of, and on matters Macedonian.

It is Ignorant Arrogant and Abrasive for FYRoM to reject in it's entirety, the mainstream historical-narrative in order to promote their version of ancient-European history. The International academic-world have rejected FYRoM's revisionism as being Ideoligically-inspired, politically-orientated, pseudo-historical Indoctrination.

It is annoying to have FYRoM contest a name long established
in the Greek world. Clearly, there has been a gross under estimation of the worlds collective intelligence on the subject of Macedonia.

FYRoM thought it had all the answers when the Makedonists there attempted to eject the ancient-Macedonians from Hellenism and the Greek-world. The historical-propaganda narratives that once littered the internet were crude but effective, they were well presented and alot of time, effort and energy must have gone into them, but after 22 years of Rubbishing the Greeks and Hellenism...where is FYRoM today!

For those who know about Macedonia, know, that FYRoM is playing with the West - fundamentally, an anti-Western place
where the peoples still habour anti-Western sentiments.

FYRoM Does NOT Deserve NATO Membership - Stewart Rowles: All I see is a country using NATO to get to the Golden Goose of the EU. What benefits are there for NATO when the majority of the FYROM’s Slav population detests NATO for kicking the fellow Slavic Serbs out and bringing the ethnic Albanians power in neighboring Kosovo?

[link to archive.atlantic-community.org] The Tide is Turning Against FYRoM - more and more people in top positions are seeing the country for what it is...an anti-Western place not fit for NATO or EU membership.
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Gotcha Geek !!!

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Greetings from Alexander Macedonian

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The name "Macedonia" originally refered to the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. This place has been connected geographically and culturally to the Hellenic-world for millenniums. Geographical-Macedonia is different, it includes FYRoM which has a 38% stake, Bulgaria, which has 9% stake and Albania, which has a miniscule 1% stake. 48% of greater-Macedonian territory is outside of Greece but the Greeks dont mind, because none of that territory was ever a part of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. Greece holds 52% of geographical-Macedonia, it constitutes the area covered by the original Kingdom, exactly as described by Strabo, the ancient-geographer.

FYRoM, being recognized as the "Republic of Macedonia" is appropriating the Macedonian-name in it's entirety, at the expense and exclusions of its neighbours. A geographic-term which straddles over more than one country cannot be assumed
or usurped exclusively by one of them. There is no country called "The Republic of Scandinavia" just as there is no country called "The Republic of Silesia" why should the rules change accomodate FYRoM.

Macedonia - Scandinavia - Silesia are modern examples of geographic-terms straddling over more than one country...common-sense dictates that those names cannot be assumed, usurped or appropraited exclusively by one of them.

FYRoM holds 38% of geographic-Macedonian territory, which is not the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon but rather Paeonia and Dardania. There is nothing Macedonian in FYRoM - not the land, not the peoples, why should they covet a name which does not belong to them unless it is for sinister reasons and motives.

There are young Slavic children in FYRoM who see Greece as an occupying power holding 52% of Macedonian territory they believe belongs to them...brainwashed by the Makedonists, Indoctrinated on their Ideology which teaches young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonians and to see Greeks as the enemy.

Greeks despair but we No give-up - we shall continue to defend Hellenism and protect our cultural-heritage...Come Hell or High Water!
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So Hell and High Water you shall have.
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Greek-speaking peoples created the Macedonian name. It was spawned from Hellenism...from peoples using a Centum Indo-European, Hellenic-language. It originated under Hellenic skies, in the ancient-Greek world.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are neither Greek-speakers nor Hellenic-peoples - we know they are Slavic speakers, we know they use a Satem Indo-European Slavic-language, we know it was spawned from Slavdom and we know it was created under Communist-Slavist skies during WWII 1944 wartime Yugoslavia.

We know, that Communists Serbianized the Bulgarian-language and renamed it Macedonian-language. We know that Communists converted a province into a republic and renamed it the "Peoples Republic of Macedonia" in 1945.

We know, that Communists sent-in Slavic fighters to fight in Greece, to aid Greek-Communists topple the legitimate Royalist government there. We know they lost, and we know it left a bitter legacy in Greece, and amongst the many Greek citizens of Slavic heritage who showed their disloyalty to Greece fighting for the Communists. Their departure was confounded by the fact they faced serious criminal charges of treason and crimes against the state, had they stayed.

The Macedonian name belongs to Hellenism and the Greek-world...Greeks fought hard to keep Macedonia Greek, in the face of strong Communist-Slavic attempts to tear it away from the Greeks.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...It does not belong to South-Slavs in any Way Shape or Form.
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Greeks despair but we No give-up - we shall continue to defend Hellenism and protect our cultural-heritage...Come Hell or High Water!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek

You shall die and go to hell if you don't change your ways!
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FYRoM's Slavist-orientated Makedonist-propaganda against Hellenism does't lie - it just distorts the truth...for example: Alexander the Great was not the Greek-King of Macedon but rather, the Macedonian-King of Macedon, this is not a lie directly, just a distortion, a half-truth, a propaganda technique much used in FYRoM to seperate the Macedonians away from the rest of the Greeks in order the Slavs there, could claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] FYRoM propaganda site still littering the internet with fanciful imaginative pseudo-historical revisionism. A fine example of Propaganda Techniques used by the Slavs of FYRoM to promulgate the Idea, the ancient-Macedonians were not Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples but rather something closer and akin to the Slavic race!

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] Very well presented and meticulously put together...how could a Slavic child reading this not be seduced, duped into Maledonism, deceived into the belief that the ancient-Macedonians were not Greeks but just Macedonians, just like the Slavic peoples of FYRoM.

[link to www.historyofmacedonia.org] The time, the money, the energy and the sheer amount of effort that went into this presentation demonstrates the seriousness of their approach towards brainwashing their young people and Indoctrinating the masses. This is exactly the kind of material evidence the Greeks hold-up as being anti-Hellenic, Slavist-orientated Makedonist-propaganda prevalent in FYRoM....testament to their beliefs that the West created Greece and the Greeks to cheat the Slavic race from it's true history and real heritage in the Balkans, which they contend is Macedonian.

Greeks despair but we No give-up - we shall fight FYRoM's anti-Hellenic, Slavist-orientated, Makedonist-propaganda with all the political and academic tools at our disposal!
We shall fight half-truths with truths and we shall fight distortios with facts...until the peoples of FYRoM learn the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians.

Macedonians have always been Greek - a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock...FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are Not one of these!
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Is it true.....Alexander the Great was not Macedonian Greek
but Slavik from Slavdoms SouthSlavic collective of peoples.
 Quoting: Inquirer 931694


I know for a fact he was gay

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