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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
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The more inside themselves they retreat, the more they find to confuse them. Delving into their recent past, the peoples of FYRoM group with South-Slavs...Bulgarians to be the nearest. Not impressed with that, they brush away any notion of relatedness to them to delve further back to a time before the Bulgars, before the Slavs even - to pre-Bulgar times and pre-Slavic times.

The more inside themselves they delve, the more they find confusing. Like, why do they speak Bulgarian but call their own language Macedonian-language...like why do they group with South-Slavs but call themselves Macedonians. Macedonians are Haemus native whilst Bulgars and South-Slavs are not. This is confusing, even to the scholars of genes, languages and people-dynamics.

The more inside themselves they retreat, the more they find to confuse themselves. You see, before the Bulgars came to the Haemus, there was only Byzantium...and before the Slavs, the same. Pre-Bulgar times were times when Greek-speakers called themselves Romioi, Eastern-Romans. Pre-Slavic times, the same. The language FYRoM used before the Bulgars came, and before the Slavs came, was Centum-Greek.

The more they investigate themselves...like delve more into the makings of their Name, their Identity, their Nationality, their Language, their Ethnicity, their History, their Heritage - The mist of confusion clears to reveal the real reason for their being - to take Macedonia for Slavdom. When they delve hard, back enough, they find that the Idea to create Macedonians from South-Slavs was born during imperialistic Tzarist times, then the Idea migrated to the Pan-Slavic era, migrated again to the Communist era, when a Croat Slav created for the first ever, Macedonia in the Slavic world. Then Serbs Serbianized the Bulgarian-language and called it Macedonian-language. The Slovenes, Montenegrins, Bulgarians and the rest, accepted the creation of a Macedonian people-group within Slavdom. For the duration of the Cold War era, the Idea lay dormant until Communism dies. The Idea resurfaces again with a vengeance when Yugoslavia expires spawning 6 new Republics from one Yugoslavic Federation.

The more FYRoM delves into the makings of it's existence, the more they find out, they are not Macedonians at all...at least, not in the Greek sense of that word! FYRoM South-Slavs cannot be Macedonians, the same Macedonians that exist in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula from since the days of King Karanus, first King of Macedon 778-808 BC. A distinction is required to differentiate between Slavic-Macedonians and Hellenic-Macedonians - This is what Greece asks for, some clarification to waylay the opportunism and to quell the confusion.
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Macedonia:Peopled Haemus-Hellenic Natives for >3 Millenniums

Haemus natives are recognizable by the genes they carry. E1b1b and J2 are neolithic markers who’s subclades mutated unique features in the Greek] peninsula. It must be stressed though…genetic markers denote origins only, not ethnicity! Ethnicity is difficult subject to discuss, something cultural, something that is learned under strict authoritarian control, or not.

If the peoples of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula derive from same gene pool…what is it that makes them Greek. To know that, requires extensive backround knowledge about them.

Greeks, since the beginning, have been a seafaring international-peoples. Consequently, Greeks met and intermingled with a great variety of foreign peoples.

Greeks are said to be ‘cousins’ to a great variety of other peoples.

The Greek character having formed over millennia, can be summarized as being multi-layered and multifaceted. Most people see Greek-peoples like Mediterraneans, but there is more.

Mediterranean: Greeks could be clustered together with Italians, Maltese, Spaniards, Portuguese, and to a lesser extent, the French…within the framework of a Greater Greaco-Roman Mediterranean civilization.

Western European: Since, in the West, Greece is considered to be the cradle of Western civilization.

Eastern European: Since Greece is situated there and Greeks Baptized, Christianized and Civilized the Slavic-Tribes to Greek Orthodox Christendom, the religion of Byzantium, the Eastern-Roman Empire.

Middle-Eastern: Since Greek expansion into Asia-Minor and beyond, ensured prolonged ties with Eastern Cultures and Oriental ones.

Balkanian: Greeks are not comfortable with this Turkic term.
Greeks prefer Haemus-Native instead. Anyway, a Balkanian Identity similar to that of Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, Montinegrins, Slovenians, Bulgarians, FYRoMians, Romanians, does exist. There are common elements, contributions from the Eastern Roman Empire and from Ottoman Empire. Shared common cultural themes, manerisms, morphology, and folkloric synergies bear testament to long-time exposure between like-minded people-groups.

Greeks have always been an International Peoples, since time immemorial. The Greek Character is multi-layered and multifaceted, drawing in embedded experiences from five different geographical locations.

Greeks were never restricted to one particular country, there were no countries with fixed border’s in ancient times.

Greece in ancient times could be visualized spanning from Spain in the West to Georgia in the East. There was never a country called Greece in ancient times. Instead, there were many Greeks inhabiting many regions in Evropi and beyond.

Macedonians are Haemus-Natives - recognizable in all the ways stated above. Dare to rubbish them!
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In the Haemus [Greek] peninsula we are all Greek to some degree, some more than others. In the Haemus exists Albanophones, Slavophones, Vlachophones etc. They can be Haemus-peoples on genetic dynamic speaking language(s) different to Centum-Greek...that does not exclude them from claiming native indigenous status. E1b1b J2 haplogroups mutated subclades unique to the Haemus-peninsula, those found carrying them can boast native origin.

If we, Haemus-peoples, stem from same common Haemus gene-pool, then Greeks have it about right when they distinguish peoples there solely on the phonetic dynamic. Same genous, different speech...this is the Greek way of describing Haemus-peoples with native origin.

NoN-Greek speakers espousing ethnic-feelings and national-pride for Greece and Hellenism should have the right to express themselves. Speaking a language that is different from Centum-Greek does not exclude Haemus-peoples from holding on to collective-memories that are deep-rooted in the myths and legends of the Hellenic world.

Greeks have it about right then, when they consider some Albanophones, Slavophones and Vlachopones to be brothers and sisters to Greeks. Same genous, different speech...the difference is phonetic only, not genetic - same Haemus-peoples, they just happen to speak different language.

In the Haemus [Greek] peninsula, the host culture dominated for millennia...those in closest proximity to Greeks, Hellenized willingly and voluntarily. Greeces modern neighbours could Re-Hellenize - retun back to base, back to the fold.

In the Haemus, we are all Greek to some degree...It's just that some of us are more Greek than others. The Haemus though, is not as Greek as it used to be, culturally and linguistically. The peninsula now, is home to peoples and languages the Greeks had to learn to live with - sometimes the hard way. Albanians, Bulgarians, FYRoMians, Serbians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Slovenians, Rumanians, Hungarians and Turks - a milieu of peoples, languages and cultures that wear the ethnogenic substratum of the Haemus quite smartly.
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Thanks for the info.
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FYRoM governed by Makedonists, politically motivated on anti-Hellenic Ideology, shall always pose a problem for Greece, for the West in general, and for the Haemus peninsula in particular.

The problem for Greece is the name. Republic of Macedonia is not suitable name for minor Slavic country recently established, in 1991. The name has Hellenic baggage strewn across the millennia dating back to the first King of Macedon, King Karanus 778-808 BC. To contest that prefixed academic reference-point would be fatal for the challenger. Integrity and credibility come to mind.

The problem for the West is how to integrate that minor Slavic country into Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures, under the name 'Republic of Macedonia,' when that minor Slavic country disputes the Western-worlds cultural-historical narrative - contests the cultural foundation on which Western Civilization is based. The ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon and Macedonians contributed greatly towards development of Western-worlds Civilizational Principles...FYRoM and the Yugoslavians that live there did not!

The problem for the Haemus-Peninsula is FYRoM, a minor Slavic country recently established wanting to carve out a place for itself in a region of the world that is steeped in Greek history. FYRoM has become bone of contention between Hellenic and Slavic interests in the peninsula, and to a lesser degree, between Slavic and Turanid interests, and to even lesser degree, between Slavic and Albanian interests. Bone of contention in the classic sense of the word.

The Name 'Republic of Macedonia' poses big problem for Greece. FYRoM's National history and ethno-genesis story poses even bigger problem for the West, in that, integrating a minor Slavic country into Western economic and security structures is not impossible, what is impossible though, is integrating the FYRoM story into Western-worlds long established mainstream historical narrative. Lastly, FYRoM is classic buffer state central to milieu of cultures, languages and peoples. The Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain. Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage - applying it outside the boundaries of these historical reference-points poses problems locally, regionally, and to much wider extent, at level the West is only now starting to appreciate severity of the problem.
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Nobody in politics entertains Makedonists in FYRoM, chasing Identity demographers, philologists and historians consider to be outside the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic boundaries of the South-Slavic people-groups they affiliate with.

Macedonian Identity was forged and cast in the Hellenic mould >3 Millenniums ago...FYRoM Makedonists contest it! According to them, their teachings, Macedonians were Proto-Slavic peoples, different to Greeks.

Greeks get annoyed when FYRoM South-Slavs say these things. So does the UN, EU, USA, NATO, and the International Academic Community. These worldly-wise bodies and global-institutions advise FYRoM to compromise in order to find proper more suitable name for Country-name...Sovereign-State name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity.

Identity once forged, stays with the people-group(s) that created it in the first place. That place was Macedon and the creators were Greek...Dorian-Greeks. Those who contest these prefixed academic reference-points have historians to contend with. Those who entertain FYRoM Makedonists to say these things, have Greeks to contend with.

FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic...E1b1b J2 Slavic. For FYRoM, it is decision time. Time to face the reality. Slavicization does not empower the Slavicized to usurp Macedonian-Identity when Macedonians still exist in their natural Hellenic form.

For as long as Centum-Greek speaking Macedonians exist, South-Slavs cannot use that name the way FYRoM covets. No other peoples can take a primordial tribal-name, an ancient and archaic, regional-historical, Haemus-Hellenic name, that has been in constant use by Greeks for >3 Millenniums, from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC.

FYRoM Identity is Slavic with culture and tradition to match. If Slavs there claim Macedonian heritage, they are telling the world they were Centum-Greek speakers at one time...pre-Slavic times - now Slavicized!

Macedonian proto-Identity is Hellenic - Slavicized E1b1b J2 Macedonians could Re-Hellenize...return back to the fold, and all that entails!
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There is only one history. One Macedonian story. History cannot support two versions of the Macedonia story...one pseudo and Slavic, and the other one, mainstream and Hellenic - Think about that for a moment.

The Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage. Two strong accredited tenets historians use to expose FYRoM like Slavic pretender to the ancient-Macedonian legacy. Those who fight against historians, contest and dispute prefixed academic reference-points, are anti-Hellenic at heart and anti-Western by extension. FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic Yugoslavians, similar to Serbians, Croatians, Bosnians, Slovenians, Montenegrins and Bulgarians.

Integrating FYRoM into the Western worlds economic and security structures under the name 'Republic of Macedonia' dumps on academia and creates problems political-expediance did not cater for, or care about. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon contributed greatly towards Western-worlds cultural foundation...FYRoM contributed nothing. Macedonians contributed heavily towards development of Civilizational priniciples the West still hold dear - Yugoslavians did not. Calling FYRoM Macedonia at political level shows total disregard for academia and displays disgraceful ignorance on subject matter classicist-historians spent life-time disseminating.

FYRoM is minor Slavic country peopled by NoN-Greeks, therefore, it cannot exist next to Greece using the Macedonian name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity. Macedonians are a Centum Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples that exist in the Haemus [ Greek ] peninsula from since the times of King-Karanus 778-808 BC. FYRoM cannot benefit from their achievements.

The Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain. Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...two tenets FYRoM argues and fights against, making it anti-Hellenic entity - anti-Western by extension.

Macedonia: The Name, Identity, History, Heritage, Legacy - It's All Greek!

Macedonians have right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical, Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. FYRoM cannot exist like 'Republic of Macedonia' on that basis.
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Only in the minds of some sick and twisted anti-Hellenic, anti-Western drongo imbeciles, do they equate FYRoM to Macedonia and Yugoslavians to Macedonians.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted anti-Hellenic, anti-Western 5th columnist mind-architects, nesting in positions of power and influence, infiltrating highest echelons of diplomatic office, do they terra-form political future landscapes where Macedonia is graunched away from Greeks and Hellenism and placed into the hands of Slavs and Slavdom.

Only in their sick and twisted minds do they see this future!

Only in their anti-Hellenic eyes do they see FYRoM like 'Republic of Macedonia' and Yugoslavians like Macedonians.

Those in charge in the West, with mandate to protect Western way of life, are also responsible for keeping Western worlds cultural-historical narrative safe from revisionism and pseudo-historical attack. In the FYRoM case, Western cultural-historical defense mechanisms were found wanting, non-existant!

If FYRoM's integration into the West necessitates the rewriting of history, then Academia declares War on political expediance. Historians challenge Politicians. Classicist historian scholars throw the gauntlet down in challenge to those anti-Hellenic, anti-Western 5th columnist drongo imbeciles vision of Western Civilizations future history.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted 5th columnist mind-architects, do they terra-form political future inside their heads where FYRoM is seen like 'Republic of Macedonia' and where Yugoslavians are seen like Macedonians.

In the real world, Macedonians are Centum Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...recorded that way in the Western worlds long-established cultural-historical narrative - the narrative that binds Western Civil Society to shared common heritage. Destroy that, and you destroy the West!
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On the back of the name dispute with FYRoM…every Greek-hating man and his dog contributed something towards the character-assassination of the Hellenic Republic and the Greek-Hellenic peoples, which ultimately manifested into an all out attack on Western values and culture.

Western worlds cultural-historical narrative bismerched by FYRoM, by Afrocentrists, by Turkists, by Slavists and by turcoalbanian pseudo-historical revisionists is good enough reason for Greece to make a stand, to stand it’s ground in order to defend and to protect the Western worlds cultural-historical foundation.

To keep historical cohesion, necessitates Western worlds cultural-historical narrative being kept intact, unblemished and unspoilt…if Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage are to be adhered to.

FYRoM pseudo-historical revisionism, placed alongside Afrocentric, Turanid, Slavist and turcoalbanian anti-Western theories, Ideas and conjectures, contributed massively towards the erosion of Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage, the fabric from which the West wove it’s cloth, the glue that binds Western democratic adherence towards common Civilizational Principles.

Erode the Western worlds cultural-historical narrative. Erode the Wests cultural-heritage. Erode Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage…now sit back and watch the Western worlds cultural-foundation crumble. Western Civilization under attack from FYRoM style pseudo-historical revisionism allied to Afrocentric, Turanid, Slavist and turcoalbanian theories Ideas and conjectures – all combined together to badmouth Greece in genaral and the West in particular.

The Name ‘Republic of Macedonia’ poses big problem for Greece. FYRoM’s National history and ethno-genesis story poses even bigger problem for the West, in that, integrating minor Slavic country into Western-worlds economic and security structures means integrating FYRoM ethnogenesis story into the Wests long established mainstream historical narrative…an impossible task the West is only now starting to appreciate the severity of!

Greece defends Hellenism and protects the Western worlds cultural-historical foundation - Greece should not have to shoulder that burden alone...If the West value their Civilization and their Western way of life, they should do what Greece does 24/7.
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Macedonians have always been a Centum Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock. Who is that stupid, that imbecilic they want to contest it!

Keeping the Western worlds cultural-historical narrative intact is something that has a taken on an importance never before seen, or heard of...in light of the current threats that seek to alter it. Preserving the Western worlds historical cohesion is now top priority for the West.

History has taught us that Paeonia changes name according to the two ruling authorities contesting it's jurisdiction. From since the settlement of the Slavic-tribes on Greco-Roman soil...Slavdom renames Paeonia to 'Peoples Republic of Macedonia' for the first time, in 1945. Before 1945, there was never a 'Macedonia' in the Slavic world. FYRoM attempts to rewrite history, but their version of it clashes and conflicts with the Western worlds long-established mainstream historical narrative.

Historians Philologists and Demographers know, FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic...[ized] now! Historically and geographically FYRoM was Paeonia in antiquity, Dardania north from Skopje. FYRoM had many names in the past, all of them recorded for posterity. The first recorded name was Paeonia.

It was the latin-Romans that renamed Paeonia to Macedonia II Salutaris. Later, the Greco-Romans renamed Paeonia to Theme-Bulgaria when they recaptured lost Byzantine lands from an invading Avaro-Hunnic, Slavo-Bulgar, tribal-conglomorate. Theme-Macedonia was physically relocated to Thrace. You know when a name is yours, when you take it with you, wherever you go. Example is Theme-Macedonia.

Paeonia stayed inside Byzantium, the empire of Constantinople, Imperium Romanum, Romania, until the coming of the Eastern-Asiatic, Oriental-Musulman Turk.

The Turk renamed Paeonia to Vilayet-Monastir and Vilayet-Kosovo, until the Balkan Wars, when Paeonia became a province of South-Serbia, within the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

1943, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia becomes Democratic Federal Yugoslavia. Paeonia becomes Vardar-Banovina when in 1945, Comrade Tito rename the place to 'Peoples Republic of Macedonia', then to 'Socialist Peoples Republic of Macedonia' a short while afterwards.

FYRoM can trace it's geographical, regional-historical name back to Paeonia, in backwards compatible fashion...in perfect synchronicity with the long established mainstream historical record.

Knowing these things, these accredited prefixed academic reference-points...FYRoM cannot exist like 'Republic of Macedonia' without distinction.

The Slavs of FYRoM believe they are Macedonians, so they fight hard to have the Macedonian name assigned to them exclusively. They covet the Macedonian name for country-name, sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity, when it is known, those Identity-factors do not bode well for South-Slavs - FYRoM's answer to this anomoly is to deny that they are Slavs in the first place.

If the Satem Slavic-speaking peoples of FYRoM are not Slavs, then what are they ? Paeonians [Slavicized] maybe! If they were authentic-Macedonians, they would be talking Centum-Greek...walking and talking Greek-style.
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How silly is the name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece...very silly, right! Admittedly, the dispute has been made worse by short sightedness on behalf of some expediant Western policy-makers who misjudged the dispute from the beginning.

Political expediance cannot ride roughshod over accredited prefixed academic reference-points. FYRoM is prime example where short-sighted politicians rushed to incorporate minor Slavic country into Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures, without first giving due care and attention to the corosive effects integration would have on the Western worlds cultural-historical foundations. Integrating FYRoM into the EU and NATO is not impossible, what is impossible, is integrating FYRoM’s national history into the Western worlds long-established mainstream historical narrative. FYRoM’s ethnogenesis story makes Macedonians Proto-Slavs…this is the propblem!

The name-dispute is a silly dispute, in that here, you have a country that is not even in Macedonia who's ancient name was Paeonia, that is inhabited now by Slavic-speakers claiming descent from Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. How silly is that!

It doesn't take a scientist to prove the Macedonian name is far too rooted in Hellenism to be contested.

Cast iron proof comes from the Jews Hebrew holy-scriptures. Hannukah is celebrated the world over by Jews, for their victory over Greeks - Greeks being Alexander the Greats Macedonian successors, the ruling elite that governed the area after his death.

Ancient-Macedonians are Greek...according the ancient peoples that met them, and interacted with them. Celts, Egyptians, Persians, Hebrews, Phoenicians, Hindus and more, script them Greek, in their histories.

When Macedonians are scripted Greek in other peoples histories, and when Macedonians are scripted Greek in the Western worlds long-established cultural-historical narrative...FYRoM would do well to scrap it's version of history in order to relearn the mainstream version - or face being laughed at, ridiculed beyond redemption.
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Incorporating FYRoM into the Western world...into Euro-Atlantic economic and security structures is not impossible!

What is impossible, is integrating FYRoM's national history into the Western worlds long-established mainstream cultural-historical narrative. In that narrative, Macedonians are Centum Greek-speakers with affilliations, blood-relations, and kinship-ties towards Hellenism and other Greeks.

FYRoM's pseudo-historical revisionism makes a mockery of the Western worlds cultural-historical narrative.

The West was forced to choose between rewriting history, in order to integrate FYRoM, or isolate FYRoM in order to keep historical cohesion. The West chose the latter option, the rest is history! From since 2008, FYRoM is quarantined from the European family of nations...isolated from the West, for obvious reasons!

In the West, we cannot have a situation where one country teaches a historical narrative different to the rest.

Children pupils and students in FYRoM learn anti-Hellenic, anti-Western versions of history...Greece is creation of the West, the West created Greece in order to cheat the Slavic race from it's true history and heritage in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula, which they equate to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Officials there deny they teach these things but classroom maps, teaching material and internet chatter suggests otherwise. Young Slavic children in FYRoM hold on to the belief that it is they, who are the true Macedonians. Greece for them is the enemy, Greeks become Ethiopians and Hellenism becomes loaded word beyond hate.

The West did well to quarantine such addiction to racist, pseudo-historical revisionism. The West did well to isolate FYRoM. NATO and the EU did well to keep FYRoM at arms length, at a distance, until the ruling elite there do what they have been advised to do - reach a compromise with Greece over the use of the Macedonian name.
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It is impossible for the West to welcome into their midst, a minor Slavic country agitating for change to the western worlds long-established mainstream historical narrative. FYRoM has aspiration to join the EU and NATO under the name Republic of Macedonia, a name Greece says belongs to Greek heritage.

FYRoM covets the Macedonian name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.

FYRoM vyes and competes with Greece over the Macedonian names Greek-Hellenic credentials. Historians there dispute Macedonian-Identity was Greek to begin with. According their teachings, Macedonians were Proto-Slavic peoples, different to Greeks.

Resolution to the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece hinges on the former having to make a compromise. The UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic Community advise FYRoM to compromise. The West shall welcome FYRoM into the Euro-Atalantic umbrella, and into the western-worlds most prestigious economic and security structures when compromise is reached to end the name dispute.

Keeping historical cohesion has become important issue for the West, in light of the many attempts Identified, that seek to alter and make changes.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain. Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage. FYRoM South-Slavs cannot use this name for ethnic-racial, national, or cultural-linguistic identity on that basis.

FYRoM inteligencia could argue, they can use the Macedonian name for regional identity because they do live on Paeonian-Dardanian lands latin-Romans renamed Macedonia Secunda Salutaris, for administration purposes. Greeks would agree with them, and so would the International Academic Community because Macedonia II Salutaris is not Macedon. The ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon was located further South in Roman administered Macedonia-Prima. The distinction between Macedonia-Secunda, and Macedonia-Prima does require explanation because it is self-explanatory.

FYRoM can use the Macedonian name for regional identity, not for ethnic-racial, national, or cultural-linguistic identity. South-Slavs that argue for Macedonian Identity based on country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity, argue for the impossible.

Western inteligencia know: Country-Name generates Nationality. Language-Name generates Ethnicity. If legitimized would make FYRoM South-Slavs Macedonians on technical level...with rights to stake claim to Macedonian history, heritage, and legacy - cultural inheritance Greeks say belongs to Greeks and Hellenism, not to ex-Yugoslavians and Slavdom.
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Everybody has rights...Macedonians have right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristcs of their Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. FYRoM has right to contest it. The UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic Community have right to Judge FYRoM on that uncompromising position. Matthew Nimetz has right to take that judgement seriously - he is the UN special representative assigned to mediate between FYRoM and Greece end the long running name dispute, which is still ongoing, now in the early years of it's third decade, still unresolved.

Well managed disputes have little chance of concluding successfully. Greece manages to hold on to the moral and academic high ground. FYRoM manages to evade compromise. The onus is on FYRoM to do that, according to the UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic Community but there is no incentive to comply.

FYRoM's right to identity is weighted against Macedonians wanting to protect theirs. Macedonians have UN recognized right keep their identity as Greek as possible...FYRoM has UN recognized right to identity of their own - and herein lay the problem.

FYRoM covets the Macedonian name for Country-Name...Sovereign State-Name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity.

Greeks object, and Academia supports them. The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain. Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Two academic and scholarly reference-points prefixed into the Western-worlds long-established cultural-historical narrative. To incorporate FYRoM into the West, the West must rewrite history - and herein lay the problem!

FYRoM overestimated it's importance, whilst the West underestimated minor Slavic country's resolve to bismerch Western-worlds cultural-historical narrative. Macedonians, according to FYRoM ethnogenesis story were Proto-Slavs, placing it on collision course with Greece, with Academia, and with the UN, EU, USA and NATO. Nobody of worth in the West, political, diplomatic or academic, sees FYRoM like Macedonia or ex-Yugoslavians like Macedonians. FYRoM is seen for what it is - a minor Slavic country wanting to carve out a place for itself in a region of the world steeped in Greek history.
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Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity were not Slavs, they were intrinsic part of Greek-Hellenic Collective of peoples. They walked like Greeks and talked like Greeks…there were no detectable ethnic differences between them and other Greeks, but because they were rough and ready Greeks, Northern frontier Greeks, that spoke the Hellenic language a tad differently from the quintessential Athenian standard, rogue classicist scholars, pseudo-historical revisionists, and specialist propagandists from FYRoM, like to use this language dialect thing like some definate distinguishable difference between ancient-Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks. Nothing, is further from the truth, dialect does not constitute seperate language.

FYRoM language is Satem-Slavic language. Slavist philogists branded it Macedonian-language in Autumn of 1944 in order to exploit the possibility ancient-Macedonians spoke Satem-Slavic.

The same propagandists like to exploit the “barbarian” element, like some definate distinct meaningful difference between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks. They do it in order to suggest, that if they were not understood by Athenians, then surely they were not Greeks. It was not uncommon though, for some elitist Athenians to pretend to have difficulty understanding Macedonians. Safe to suggest that Athenians knew how to play politics better than Macedonians, they did this in order to minimize Macedonian political influence, which was in the ascendancy and against Athenian interests.

We know from recorded history that Slavs moved into the Haemus [Greek] peninsula top-end of 6th Century AD, after the East-Goths and West-Goths migrated to their respective destinations, and after depopulation of the Haemus from plagues and conflicts. The Eastern-Roman Empire’s northern frontiers collapsed. Around this time, the Imperial forces of Byzantium were busy protecting Europe from the Arab threat that Slavic tribes made their way into Greco-Roman world.

FYRoM ex-Yugoslavians are primal descendents of Slavic settlers. They did not enter the Greco-Roman world as Macedonians. This name was foreign to Slavs.

FYRoM Yugoslavians referring to themselves like Macedonians within confines of Yugoslavic Federation posed no problem for Greece. No clash, no conflict, no overspill. The problem really only occurs when SouthSlavs outwardly proclaim themselves Macedonians, descendents of ancient-Macedonians, and start to stake claim to history and heritage of Macedonia. Slavic tribes as we know, were distanced hundreds of miles away from ancient-Greek world, distanced by geography, by language, and by time continuum spanning almost one thousand years from the death of Alexander the Great.

Macedonians have always been Greek. Trying to disenfranchise them from Helenism, or to say that the people of ancient-Greece were ethnically different from the people that live there today, flies in the face of the material evidence. Todays Greeks are just as Greek as ancient-Greeks, in fact todays Greeks are sole, legal, cultural-linguistic inheritors of ancient-Hellenic legacy…FYRoM would do well to respect that!
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Macedonia:The West, Pseudo-Historical Revisionism and The FYRoM Question.

Integrating FYRoM into the West is not impossible. What is impossible is integrating FYRoM's national history and ethnogensis story into the Western worlds long-established cultural-historical narrative. In that narrative Macedon is ancient-Greek Kingdom and Macedonians are Centum Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples, with affiliation and kinship ties towards Hellenism and other Greeks.

Accomodating FYRoM into the West under the name 'Republic of Macedonia' is impossible on that basis, it would mean the rewriting of history. History cannot support two versions of the Macedonia story, one Pseudo and Slavic and the other one, Mainstream and Hellenic. The Western-worlds cultural-historical narrative cannot support the FYRoM version of the Macedonia story on that basis.

Nobody of worth in the West, from politics, the diplomatic world, or from academia, sees FYRoM like Macedonia or ex-Yugoslavians like Macedonians. The West sees FYRoM for what it really is...a minor Slavic country recently established, 1991.

Evidently, FYRoM overestimated it's importance whilst the West underestimated minor Slavic country's resolve to cause damage to West's cultural-historical foundation. FYRoM pseudo-historical revisionism based on anti-Hellenic, anti-Western theories, Ideas and conjectures, contribute towards the incremental erosion of Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage, the very fabric from which the West wove it’s cloth, the glue that binds Western democratic adherence towards common Civilizational Principles.

Erode the Western worlds cultural-historical narrative. Erode the Wests cultural-heritage. Erode Western Civil Societies common understandings of shared common heritage…now sit back and watch the Western worlds cultural-foundation crumble. Western Civilization under attack from FYRoM style pseudo-historical revisionism, allied towards anti-Hellenic, anti-Western theories, Ideas, and conjectures, all combined together to badmouth Greece in general and the West in particular.

In light of this, FYRoM cannot integrate into the Western world easily. The UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic Community place the Onus of FYRoM to compromise, to find proper more suitable name for Country-Name...Sovereign Sate-Name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity.
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On two important questions, 'Who are the real Macedonians' and 'Where is the real Macedonia', all respondants that took part scored 100%. Try the test yourself...You have a go!

Question A: FYRoM is Macedonia and the peoples there are Macedonians - TRUE or FALSE

Question B: FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic - TRUE or FALSE

The Correct answer is A:FALSE and B:TRUE

Macedonians never spoke the FYRoM language. Macedonians never lived in FYRoM. Macedonians spoke Centum-Greek. Macedonians lived in Macedon...ancient-Greek Kingdom. Can You See it Now!

Macedonia is Hellenic - Macedonians are Northern-Greeks.
FYRoM is Slavic - Yugoslavs are Southern-Slavs. Can You See it Now!

From since 2008, FYRoM lives in self-imposed exile, isolated from the very economic and security structures it says, it aspires to join. FYRoM always says the right things but never does the right things! The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise in order to end the long running name dispute with Greece...so says the UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic Community.

FYRoM cannot exist like 'Republic of Macedonia' next to Greece! It causes problems, not just for NATO, Greece, and the EU, but for the children pupils and students there, who confuse their minor Slavic country for Macedonia and mistake Southern-Slavs for Northern-Greeks. That confusion is exploited at state level where apparatus of state is used to promote Slavic origins for Macedonians. In reality, Macedonians are Greek for >3 Millenniums but the educational system in FYRoM never ever taught this. Young children in FYRoM believe they are Macedonians with Alexander the Great for ancestor.

Those who see Macedonian things in FYRoM see them through prism of anti-Hellenism. Those who see Macedonian things in South-Slavs need their eyes tested! Those who see FYRoM like 'Republic of Macedonia' and Yugoslavians like Macedonians are anti-Hellenic at heart, anti-Western by extension. There are no grey areas - Macedonia is Hellenic >3 Millenniums.

FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there speak Slavic. FYRoM is Paeonia and the peoples there Yugoslavians and Albanians. Where is Macedonia - Where are the Macedonians! To know that is to know Greece...from it's earliest history to the present.

Lets not kid ourselves...FYRoM is Paeonia not Macedonia. The peoples there are Slavic not Macedonians. The FYRoM language is Serbo-Bulgarian not Macedonian-language. Did anybody see anything Macedonian there. Where is Macedonia in those things! Macedonians have always been Centum Greek-speakers, Hellenic-peoples. Nobody of worth in the West, from politics, from diplomatic services, from academia, sees FYRoM the way the people there imagine. FYRoM is seen like minor Slavic country recently established 1991, with anti-Hellenic, anti-Western tendencies.

Macedonians have always been Centum Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Those who deny it, dispute it, and contest it, are anti-Hellenic drongo imbeciles - anti-Western by extension.

Macedonians have UN recognized right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. Who is imbecile enough to contest it!
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FYRoM as newly emergent country, has right to use any name it likes for self-determination name, and since the Slavic inhabitants there have been living next to, and in close proximity to Greeks, for more than 1400 years, the name 'Macedonia' to them, sounds homely and attached rather than foreign or distant. However, I do suspect they would decline the option to use Macedonian-name for sovereign state-name the moment it was made clear to them that Macedon was ancient-Greek Kingdom, and Macedonians are Centum Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples from since >3 millenniums. Alas, these historical things were never taught in FYRoM, so the peoples cannot be expected to know.

Because they never learned these details in Slavist-Schools, the Slavs of FYRoM believe the Greeks are cheating them from their lands, their history, their heritage...they really do believe that they are true Macedonians, the real descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Because the Slavs of FYRoM are used to calling themselves 'Macedonians' from since the creation 1945, of the 'Peoples Republic' inside confines of Federal Yugoslavia, nobody can deny them the use of that name today. So what the Greeks ask for is this...use the Macedonian name in part, and in the other part, use a qualifier to complete the whole - something like: North, Northern, Grno, Upper, New, Ano, Slavic, Vardar etc!

We need that distinction to be able to differentiate FYRoM-Macedonians from Hellenic-Macedonians...the creator originators of the name in the first place.

It's not right that Slavic children of FYRoM should be walking the streets thinking themselves Macedonians, and thinking the Greeks their enemy! Greeks are innocent and not responsible for their predicament - Slavist orientated Makedonists are responsible for creating the conditions FYRoM finds itself in today.

Slavists sectioned-off a portion of their own South-Slavic peoples...gave them a Macedonian-language and 'Peoples Republic, then sat back and watched them develop ethnic feelings for ancient-Greeks, watched them again as they developed collective-memories and national-pride for Macedonia.

FYRoM is a country that is outside the boundaries of ancient-Macedon geographically, and outside ethnic-racial, cultural and liguistic boundaries of Hellas. To state fact: FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic.

So Greeks are not to blame for FYRoM's predicament - Slavists are to blame for that...trying to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs. Some anti-Hellenic Western factions were also responsible for entertaining FYRoM Silliness, for the longest time imaginable.
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The Macedonian name is older than Slavic arrival to Haemus [Greek] Peninsula - FYRoM cannot use this name for ethnic-racial use, or cultural-linguistic use, whilst clothed in Slavic dressing. No Slavic Tribe used Macedonian name for Tribal name.

Slavic-Tribes entered Greek Peninsula top-end of 6th Century AD...this is prefixed academic reference-point. They entered Imperial Byzantium territories after the Goths and before the Magyars.

Slavic...[ized] E1b1b J2 carriers in FYRoM boast Native origins, on account of those haplogroups mutating subclade characteristics unique to the Haemus Peninsula.

FYRoM E1b1b J2 carriers are Haemus-Native. In the FYRoM case, it makes them indigenous Paeonians, and then Dardanians north from Skopje...Not Macedonians. FYRoM is not Macedonia. Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom is located further South, in Northern-Greece.

Haplogroups properly identified denote origin - not ethnicity!

Macedonians are not Slavs...they never spoke Satem-Slavic - they never lived in FYRoM. Macedonians always spoke Centum-Greek and always lived in the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon.

So what of the Slavs living in Northern-Greece from since Slavic arrival to Greek Peninsula, 1,400 years ago? Draguvites, Sagudates and Berzetes...Same Slavic Tribes straddled over Byzantine Greco-Roman military districts known as Themes. To know that, is to know Greco-Roman history.

To defend themselves against barbarian Avaro-Huns and Slavo-Bulgarians...Byzantines developed military protected zones designed to keep indigenous Greco-Romans safe from attack from incursion or from invasion. Theme-Bulgaria was shifted to where FYRoM is situated today. Theme-Macedonia was shifted to where Bulgaria is situated today. In that shifting of Place-Names, the Byzantines demonstrated proof of ownership over the Macedonian name. You know when a name is yours, when you take it with you, to different geographic location.

So what of the Draguvites, Sagudates and Berzete Slavic-Tribes that settled Theme-Bulgaria? Well, they ended-up as South-Slavs...we know them today like FYRoM.

And what of the same Draguvites, Sagudates and Berzete Slavic-Tribes that settled Theme-Macedonia? Well, they ended-up absorbed into Bulgarian milieu.

And what of the same Draguvites, Sagudates and Berzete Slavic-Tribes that settled Theme-Thessalonike? Well, they ended-up absorbed into Greco-Roman milieu. The Slavs of Greece are called Slavo-phones, Slavic-speaking Greeks.

FYRoM has no legitimate claim to Macedonian name. FYRoM Slavs, even without their Slavic dressing are still only indigenous Greco-Romans from Paeonian-Dardanian stock. FYRoM cannot use Macedonian name for Country-Name...Sovereign State-Name, Nationality, Language or Ethnicity. Nothing fits easily, dressed Slavic Clothes or Native Clothes.

The only Slavic peoples in the Haemus [Greek] Peninsula that have right to call themselves Macedonians, are the ones that were absorbed into Greco-Roman milieu, which later fought Ottoman-Turk Empire for the freedom and glory of Greece. Greeks from Draguvites, Sagudates and Berzetes Slavic heritage are Greeks now...in all the ways that matter.

Macedonians are the Greeks that continue to practice their self-determination right, in the tradition of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors.
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Only natural things survive in natures world. Unnatural things perish, after the food-stuffs that nourished their existence deplete. In the FYRoM case, the food-stuffs that kept the FYRoM cause alive was revisionism, pseudo history and anti-Hellenic propaganda. Those food-stuffs have depleted significantly. FYRoM's existence depends on somethings else to keep this fledglin, recently established country alive. The focus is on the economy now, but that alone is not enough to keep FYRoM from keeling over!

Nobody of worth in the West...from politics, from the diplomatic world, or from academia, sees FYRoM like Macedonia or Yugoslavians like Macedonians. FYRoM is simply seen for what it is - Minor Slavic Country recently established 1991. Those who see FYRoM like Macedonia have no worth and are by nature, anti-Hellenic. Those who see Yugoslavians like Macedonians have no worth either, and are by extension, anti-Western.

The Macedonia Name belongs in Greek Domain. Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage...these things belong to Hellenism, not to Slavdom! Macedonians never spoke the FYRoM-language, Macedonians always spoke Centum-Greek. Question: Slavdom created a language for a people-group in their collective. Slavdom baptized that language, Macedonian-language in 1944 - Why? Anti-Hellenic act, anti-Western by extension. Macedonians never lived in FYRoM, Macedonians always lived in Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom located in Northern-Greece. Question: Slavdom created a brand new country in Yugoslavia, for a people-group in their collective. Slavdom baptized that new country 'Peoples Republic of Macedonia' in 1945 - Why ? Anti-Hellenic act, anti-Western by extension. Macedonians always spoke Centum-Greek and always lived in Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom, northernmost Greece. FYRoM is not Macedonia, FYRoM is Paeonia, and then Dardania north from Skopje. Yugoslavians are not Macedonians, at least, not in the Greek sense of that word, they are South-Slavs similar to Slovenes, Croatians, Serbians, Montenegrins, Bosnians and Bulgarians. Question: Slavdom created a people-group in it's collective with purpose to erase from history, the Greek-Hellenic identity-characteristics of Macedonia and Macedonians. Anti-Hellenic act, anti-Western by extension.

Macedonians have UN recognized right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical, Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. FYRoM infringes on those rights by calling minor Slavic country Republic of Macedonia. FYRoM infringes on those rights when Yugoslavians wrongly identify themselves like Macedonians. Macedonians are the Greeks that continue to practice their self-determination right in the tradition of their Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic.

Nobody of worth in the West...from politics, from the diplomatic world or from academia, sees FYRoM like Macedonia or Yugoslavians like Macedonians. FYRoM is simply seen for what it is - Minor Slavic Country recently established 1991.

FYRoM is not Macedonia - Slavdom must acknowledge that and tell FYRoM to stop all pretensions! FYRoM's ancient identity is Paeonian...and then Dardanian, north from Skopje. E1b1b J2 Slavicized Haemus-Natives living in FYRoM have Paeonian Dardanian origin. Macedonians have always been Centum-Greek speakers, a regiona-historical people-group from ethnic-Greek stock. Slavdom must acknowledge that and tell FYRoM to stop all pretensions.The West no longer tolerates FYRoM's pretensions. FYRoM is quarantined...kept at arms length, at a distance, until the long-running name dispute with Greece is resolved in definative conclusive manner. The West Curse the day they allowed minor Slavic country to dupe them.

The Macedonian name is overloaded with Hellenic baggage strewn across the bandwidths of the historical spectrum spanning millennia. FYRoM cannot use the Macedonian name for Country-Name...Sovereign State-Name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity on that basis. The Macedonian name is far too rooted in Hellenism, it is simply too Greek to be contested.
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The Macedonian name carries with it, Hellenic baggage, strewn across all the bandwidths of historical spectrum. FYRoM cannot use the Macedonian name for Country-Name...Sovereign State-Name, Nationality, Language and Ethnicity on that basis. The Macedonian name is far too rooted in Hellenism to be contested.

FYRoM vies with Greece, competes with the international academic community to erase Greek-Hellenic identity of Macedonia and Macedonians for a cause that is rooted in anti-Hellenism. Making Macedonians Slavic, is anti-Hellenic act, anti-Western by extension.

Until recently, it has been proven through genetic science that South-Slavs in closest proximity to Greeks carry something native from the Haemus in their biology. In the Haemus we are all Greek to some degree...it's just that some of us are more than others!

Only through their Greek componant can South-Slavs claim heritage to pre-Slavic peoples, post Slavic arrival to the Haemus [Greek] peninsula. The Slavic componant of E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives, historically, takes them back to 6th Century AD. Beyond this prefixed academic reference-point, the Slavs have no history in the Haemus peninsula. Before the 6th Century AD, there were no Slavs, just Byzantine Greco-Romans who self-Identified Romioi, a universal supranational Identity used by Eastern-Romans who's loyalties and affiliations were with Patriarchate of Constantinople.

South-Slavs in the Haemus with native Haemus origin, can only go back to the Byzantine Greco-Romans, the peoples who universally self-ascribed Romioi.

FYRoM's pre-Slavic population was Greco-Roman...Greek-speaking Romioi with loyalties and affiliations towards the Patriarchate of Constantinople - until the coming of the Bulgarian Exarchate 1870.
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Like all nations of the world, the Hellenic Republic has right to protect the country's history and heritage. The Greek government is morally and legally obliged to do that. Macedonians have right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors. The UN recognizes the rights of indigenous populations to keep as close as possible the identity-characteristics of their ancestors. So where does that leave FYRoM ?

FYRoM vies and competes with Greece over the use of the Macedonian name, identity, history, heritage and legacy!

In FYRoM, the peoples learn to call themselves Macedonians. They call their land Macedonia and their language Macedonian-language, though none of it is true factual or historically accurate. The peoples there are Slavs, they live on Paeonian soil and speak Serbianized Bulgarian developed for them in 1944 by slavist philologists following blue-print for creation of Macedonian people-group inside federal Yugoslavic collective.

Yugoslavs attempted to erase the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula by wiping off the historical record, all references to Macedonians Hellenic identity...they unashamedly superimpose Slavic identity on Macedonians dating back to before Slavic arrival to the Greek peninsula.

With challenges like this to Western worlds cultural-historical narrative, Greece is right in wanting to confront them head-on, eyeball to eyeball. Greece is right, fighting for preservation of historical accuracy and cohesion. Greece is right in wanting to keep Macedonian name in Greek domain and Macedonian identity to Greek heritage. Greece has historic rights over ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM underestimated the worlds collective intelligence on matters Macedonian...overestimated it's fiscal and strategic value to the West. In the end, FYRoM overplayed it's importance. For the West, FYRoM is simply minor Slavic country recently established 1991. Greece is cultural inheritor of ancient-Macedonian legacy.
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Greece has historic rights over ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon. The Hellenic Republic is morally and legally obliged to defend national rights...and it does that, in principled, measured and commendable fashion.

Greece is forced to protect the Hellenic Republic's history and heritage because FYRoM challenges Greece over history rights to ancient-Macedonian legacy. Slavic politicians there believe they can persuade the international community to see FYRoM like Macedonia and to see the peoples there like Macedonians, on the basis of UN charter covering human rights. The rights of modern peoples and upcoming nations to name themselves the way they want, the way they feel, and the way they see fit is enshrined in the UN charter. FYRoM uses those rights to benefit from Greek contributions to world history.

FYRoM revulsed the international academic community when the ruling elite there utilize apparatus of state to script minor Slavic country history and heritage dating back to pre-Slavic times...to before 6th Century AD, Slavic arrival to Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

FYRoM historians were authorized to script minor Slavic country national history that was so crude and so crass, it went against all prefixed academic reference-points set in Western-worlds long-established mainstream cultural-historical narrative. In that narrative, Macedon is ancient-Greek Kingdom and Macedonians are Northern-Greeks, from Dorian-Hellenic stock. FYRoM made them Proto-Slavs and convinced young Slavic children pupils and students there to believe they derive from Slavic speaking ancient-Macedonians.

FYRoM historians persuade young Slavic children pupils and students there to see the Rosetta Stone middle text inscriptions like their own long forgotten, lost proto-language, the one from which modern FYRoM-language is derived...they call it Macedonian-language.

Greece holds the moral and academic high ground. The political-realm, diplomatic-realm and academic-realm support Greek positions against FYRoM attempt to rewrite history. FYRoM is not Macedonia. The peoples there are not Macedonians. The FYRoM-language is not Macedonian-language. In reality, FYRoM is Paeonia in ancient geographic terms, Dardanian north from Skopje. In reality, the peoples there are Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. In reality, the FYRoM-language is Serbo-Bulgarian, similar to Serbo-Croatian.

Greece is right in wanting to protect the Hellenic Republics history and heritage against FYRoM attempts to besmirch them. There is only one history, one Macedonia story. History cannot support two versions of the Macedonia story...one Slavic and Pseudo, and the other one Hellenic and mainstream. Greeks look back at themselves and awe at their inheritance. FYRoM has no right
to rubbish them.

The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise, to find a proper more suitable name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity. The Macedonian name belongs in Greek domain. Macedonian identity belongs to Greek heritage. All arguments to the contrary have been had, and found wanting. The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise!
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Macedonians inhabit northern extremities of Greek world >3 Millenniums now. The Greek northern frontier is protected by Macedonians...from since the days of King Karanus 808-778 BC.

Macedonians defend Greece from barbarian invasions, incursions, and attacks.

Macedonians used political-skill and military-power to take over Greece in order to Govern unified Nation of Hellenes.

Macedonians under Alexander the Great unified the fractious Greeks into one unified Nation, then proceeded to expand Hellenism, the Centum-Greek language, knowledge and culture, to the farthest easternmost reaches of the then known ancient-world.

But how do we know all this ?

We know this, because it was written down and recorded for posterity, as if the ancient-Macedonians knew, that one day, far off into the distant future, their Greekness might be questioned, so they took out an Insurance policy...

...Wherever the ancient Macedonians went, they left their "Calling Card" carved deep into stones and building blocks of every city they built, visited, or renamed. For insurance purposes, they used only Centum-Greek Macedonian letters.

Real Macedonians are the Greeks that have remained loyal to Hellenism. Proud to have retained that [Greek] language and that [Hellenic] culture, which ultimately connects them back to that civilization, and to that campaign their ancestor's initiated to expand Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic Language, Knowledge and Culture to the farthest easternmost reaches of the then known ancient-world.

Only hardened-propagandists or severely-brainwashed individuals equate FYRoM to Macedonia and ex-Yugoslavs to Macedonians. Greeks were Macedonians first, long before FYRoM South-Slavs developed ethnic-feelings and collective-memories for Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity!

In Europe, we must all be reading from the same page, from one Common European history book.In Europe, we cannot have a situation where FYRoM South-Slavs are permitted to teach their Children Pupils and Students a history that differs from the long-established mainstream. FYRoM cannot be permitted to teach revisionism - thats all!

FYRoM has no right to besmirch Greek history. FYRoM has no right to Rubbish Greeks. Human rights and the rights of modern-peoples to self-determine as they wish, the way they want, or see fit, is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments favouring the rights of autochthonous populations to keep as close as possible, the identity-characteristics of their ancestors. FYRoM infringes on the rights of Macedonians wanting to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors.

History teaches us that Greeks are Autochthonous Europeans...Native to Crete, the Haemus Peninsula, the Aegean Islands and Cyprus. FYRoM should teach this to their Children Students and Pupils.


The more we learn about Macedonians - the more we learn about their Greekness.

The more we learn about FYRoM - the more we learn about revisionism, pseudo-history, communist-propaganda, genetic-propaganda, cultural-thievery, Las Vegas style theme-park architecture, and Silliness...FYRoM-style!
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Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples. As long as these peoples exist...no other peoples can use their name - for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Macedon is ancient-Greek Kingdom from since the days of King Karanus 808-778 BC. Macedonians always spoke Centum-Greek and always lived in Macedon...Northern-Greece.

There is only one Macedonia story. History cannot support two versions of the Macedonia story...one Slavic and pseudo, and the other one mainstream and Hellenic. FYRoM revulsed the West with Slavist-orientated revisionism and pseudo-history!

Macedon belongs in Hellenic world. Macedonian-Name belongs in Greek domain. Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Those who see FYRoM like Macedonia or ex-Yugoslavs like Macedonians, see them that way through anti-Hellenic eyes, through prism of anti-Hellenism. Macedonians have right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors.

FYRoM is not Macedonia, it is Paeonia then Dardania north from Skopje. FYRoM language is not Macedonian, it is Serbo-Bulgarian, similar to Serbo-Croatian. FYRoM peoples are not Macedonians, they are South-Slavs, similar to Slovenes, Croatians, Montenegrins, Serbians, Bosnians and Bulgarians. Macedonians never spoke the FYRoM language. Macedonians never lived in FYRoM. Conclusion: FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic. Greeks strive to protect their history in order to preserve historical cohesion. For Greeks it is important because of FYRoM.

FYRoM is minor Slavic country recently established 1991. FYRoM is home to Albanians and Slavs, both politicized and propagandized, and both strive to besmirch Greek history. The Western worlds cultural historical narrative depends on Macedonians spreading Hellenic culture, spreading the Centum-Greek language, Greek knowledge and wisdom to the farthest easternmost reaches of the then known ancient world. The West underestimated FYRoM's ability to erode Western civilizations cultural-historical foundations.

Western societies common understandings of shared common heritage does not cater for FYRoM Slavs boasting Macedonian origin, or Albanians boasting Illyrian origin, or Turks boasting Trojan origin. Revisionism and pseudo-history ultimately erode Western worlds cultural-historical narrative...Slavs, Albanians and Turks cannot rewrite history to their theoretical ideas and conjectures. The western worlds cultural-historical narrative cannot be held hostage to revisionism and pseudo-history. Preserving historical cohesion to combat Slavic Turkic and Albanian revisionism is now, very important for the West.

Macedonians have right to Kill FYRoM revisionism attempt at rewriting their history. Join the fight against FYRoM attempt to rewrite Western worlds cultural historical narrative. Kill FYRoM revisionism. Kill FYRoM pseudo-history. Kill FYRoM attempt to rewrite Greek history. Historical cohesion depends on it.

FYRoM has no right to besmirch Greek history. FYRoM has no right to Rubbish Greeks Greece and Hellenism. FYRoM has no right to use the Macedonian name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.
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When Greece, Greeks, and Hellenism were being attacked, through Cyber mediums and all media platforms known to man and science, our Western Partners and European Cousins stoodby and watched it happen. Some factions even joined in, inputting their own brand of anti-Hellenism. The Kissinger speech and the actions of some Nordic countries, testament to propaganda designed to humiliate Greece, character-assassinate the modern-Greek national-character, and, belittle Hellenic contributions towards development of Western civilizational principles.

The West went through dark period, not knowing fully what it stood for, or in which direction to focus policy and progress. Anti-Hellenic mind-architects took up high positions in policy making, relegating importance of Greece in their planning.

The link between the West and Greece is cultural. Hellenic culture is the catalyst that binds...the cultural-historical ether that wafts across national boundaries, the common binding factor that keeps in tune, Western civil societies common understandings of shared common heritage - destroy that, and you destroy the West.

When Greece defends Hellenic Republics national history, and when Greeks protect their Hellenic heritage, and when Hellenism confronts anti-Hellenic propaganda...the West should stand by Greece.

Greece fights to keep Western-worlds cultural-historical narrative intact. Historical cohesion is important for Greece, because of FYRoM. Greeks fight to keep their history and heritage from being rubbished...besmirched by benefactors that support FYRoM. Hellenism fights for respect, for adopted culture of choice for the West. The West owes Hellenism something. Respect enough to want to defend it, and protect it, against FYRoM attempts to besmirch it, and against factions that still work hard to belittle Hellenic contributions towards Western Civilization.

Greeks fight the good fight - join them! Protect Western Civilzation. Fight to keep Western worlds long-established cultural-historical narrative in tact...free from FYRoM revisionism and pseudo-history!
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Nicola Tesla was definitely a South Slav. His contribution to modern civilisation is much greater than some long dead Macedonian warrior king.
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Catch 22 - Chicken and egg - Chapter and Verse - One without the Other. There can be no Macedonia without Greeks, because it took Greeks to create Macedon...the ancient-Greek Kingdom. There can be no Egypt without Greek, it took Greeks to create this term. There can be no Evropi without Greeks - It took Greeks to create this concept. All of these things would not exist without Greeks, because it took Greeks for them to exist in the first place.

No West without Greeks...It took Greeks to create this civilization. It took Greeks to create the conditions for culture and civilization to develop Western-Style. No Western Civilization without Greeks. It took Greeks for Western Civilization to exist. No West. No Evropi. No Egypt. No Macedonia - It took Greeks for all of these things to exist in the first place.

Conclusion: FYRoM is not Macedonia. The FYRoM language is not Macedonian. FYRoM peoples are not Macedonians.

Macedonians never lived in FYRoM. Macedonians never spoke the FYRoM language. Macedonians never affiliated with Slavdom - FYRoM does not have right to covet the Macedonian Name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Those who push FYRoM to seek ethnogenic origins in Macedonia are pushing the wrong way. Macedonia is not there, where FYRoM is situated. Paeonia is there. FYRoM sits on Paeonian-lands, Dardanian-lands north from Skopje. Conclusion: FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there are Slavic.

It took a Croat to create FYRoM. It took a Croatian South-Slav for FYRoM to exist. Comrade Jozip Broz Tito created FYRoM - the most anti-Hellenic entity known to Greeks, the West, the UN, EU, NATO and the International Academic Community.

Macedon in FYRoM hands would cease to exist as ancient-Greek Kingdom. Macedonians in FYRoM hands would cease to exist as Greeks. Macedonians Greek-Hellenic identity would be erased from demographic history of Haemus [Greek] peninsula. FYRoM revisionism would script them like peoples different from Greeks.

The West owes Greece for creating the conditions for culture and civilization to develop Western-Style. Greece fights for preservation of historical cohesion. Greece fights for Hellenism. Hellenism deserves the respect of the West. There can be no Macedonia without Greeks. FYRoM cannot use this name for country-name...sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity without humiliating Greeks, belittling Hellenism and ridiculing the West.

Hellenism deserves respect of the West. Greece is the West. Greece shall protect Hellenic Republics national history. Greeks shall defend their Hellenic heritage...Come Hell or High Water.
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Todays Greeks boast closest possible connection to ancient-Greeks. Continuity always follows path of least resistance. On that basis, Greeks legitimately claim continuity from historical ancient-Macedonians, something which was not given proper consideration in FYRoM when they opted to use Macedonian name for self-Identity.

That the peoples there have been calling themselves Macedonians for long time is given, but they have been doing that unjustly, inappropriately, through prism of filters blocking-out all Hellenic connections to Macedonia. State sponsored censorship in FYRoM seperates Hellenism from Macedonia and visa versa. It is forbidden in FYRoM to use the Hellenic term next to the Macedonian one, for fear of association.

FYRoM's right to freely choose name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes was, up to a short while ago, supported by diplomats the world over...until it was pointed out to them, first by historian scholars of the classics, and second, by demographers of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula - there is nothing Macedonian in FYRoM, not the land, not the peoples.

Total self-determination means differentiation for FYRoM!

The name they covet must be different enough to distinguish them from Hellenic Macedonians who are, by definition, a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece has a lot to do with politics but more to do with history. Historian scholars of the classics are not prepared to distort mainstream historical narrative to accomodate FYRoM's pseudo-historical ethno-genesis story. On that basis, FYRoM cannot exist like Republic of Macedonia when Macedonians never lived there. Macedonians always lived in Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom.

Macedonians have right to keep as Greek as possible, the identity-characteristics of their regional-historical Haemus-Hellenic ancestors - FYRoM cannot exist like Republic of Macedonia on that basis!
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FYRoM has history in the Haemus peninsula. The history of FYRoM can be charted from it's earliest beginnings, to the present day...in backwards compatible fashion, consistant with, and compatible to, the demographic history of the Greek peninsula. FYRoM was Paeonia in antiquity...Dardania north from Skopje.

FYRoM's earliest history starts off with the Paeonians. Paeonia neighboured Macedon, the ancient-Greek Kingdom. Macedonians Hellenized the Paeonians. From there, onwards, Paeonia and Paeonians
became Hellenic-friendly place and peoples, all in that order!

From Paeonians to Hellenized-Paeonians. Then, from Hellenized-Paeonians to Romanized-Paeonians. Then, from Romanized-Paeonians to Byzantine Greco-Romans. From Byzantine Greco-Romans to Bulgarized Greco-Romans. From Bulgarized Greco-Romans to Slavicized Greco-Romans. From Slavicized Greco-Romans to Turkified Ottoman subjects. From Turkified Ottoman subjects to Southern Serbian Yugoslavs. From South-Serbian Yugoslavs to Macedonians.

The charted history of Paeonia and Paeonians connects that place and those peoples, to a place and a peoples we know today like the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

FYRoM has long history in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula...a history that was never taught there. The Slavist elite there, never taught indigenous history to the peoples. Slavists always taught Slavist orientated history, suppressing FYRoM's Paeonian past in order to focus on Macedonia and Macedonians.

Only now, has it come to the fore that FYRoM is Paeonia - not Macedonia. Macedonians and Paonians have long history in the Haemus.
E1b1b J2 Haemus Natives have long indigenous history in the Greek peninsula. Macedonians Hellenized Paeonia and Paeonians...Re-Hellenization remains the only way for FYRoM to share in the history and heritage of the Greeks.

Slavic FYRoM has history too - charted back to the 6th Century AD.

FYRoM's place in the Haemus peninsula is assured. FYRoM's history though, is not so assured. Nobody in the West, from politics, diplomacy or academia sees FYRoM like Macedonia or ex-Yugoslavs like Macedonians. FYRoM has opportunity now, to script itself a national history that stretches back to Paeonia - not Macedonia. Slavists suppressed FYRoM's Paeonian history in order to focus on Macedonian territory, to expand Slavdom to the Aegean Sea and beyond.





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