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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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Because the geographic region of Macedonia changed size and shape over the years, during different times and under different [rule] ownership, it's expansion shifted this way and that way but Greeks were always there...Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia Romanized under Roman rule...Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia was settled by Avaro-Hunnic people and Bulgaro-Slavic people during the barbarian Incursions of the 6th Century A.D. Greeks were there, they have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia had to move position, I mean, it was actually shifted in longitude and langitude, something the Byzantines called a "theme" in order the population be saved from barbarian excruciation, Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia witnessed the settlement of the Slavic tribes and other foreign peoples settle into the Byzantine GrecoRoman world...Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia went from Byzantine rule to Turkic Ottoman rule...Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia was liberated from Turkic Ottoman rule by it's native original [Greek]Inhabitants...Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because the geographic region of Macedonia changed size and shape over many years under different ownership...Greeks were there, Greeks have always been there.

Because Macedonians have always been Greek...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can not usurp another peoples Identity in order to use it for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity...Why ?

Because Greeks No permit them to do that...Understand!
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If I could chose my neighbours...I would place to the right of me, a Serbian, and to the left of me, a Bulgarian, for these two I have known the longest, and I know...

...that when push comes to shove, both of them shall get to Constantinople shortly after I do!

So, to my Northern Slavic brothers, I say Merry Christmas!

Now both of you repeat after me...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people and stop the Silliness Ok!
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If I could chose my neighbours...I would place to the right of me, a Serbian, and to the left of me, a Bulgarian, for these two I have known the longest, and I know...

...that when push comes to shove, both of them shall get to Constantinople shortly after I do!

So, to my Northern Slavic brothers, I say Merry Christmas!

Now both of you repeat after me...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people and stop the Silliness Ok!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 7595965

Slavs have never really accepted the seniority of the Greeks in their own homelands, for it was through the Rus, the Byzantine Eastern Orthodox rites continued after the fall of Constantinopolis to the Eastern Asiatic Ottoman Turks...It was through them, I mean the Russians, the claim of Imperial continuity to the last Emperor of Byzantium which vies for supremecy over the Christian Orthodox world and competes with the Greek claim to the Byzantine religious and Imperial legacy.

In this context, it could easily be understood why the name dispute between FYRoM and the Hellenic Republic is taking so long to resolve. The clash, I mean, the friction and the uneasy relationship between Slavdom and Hellenism over legacy rights and religious rites comes to the fore!

So It is to our eternal shame...

One could put it down to Greco-Slavic infighting concerning differing sects of Orthodox Christians competing for religious and spiritual supremecy...It was this, and the complete betrayal from the bishop of Rome which led to our Catholic European cousins becoming spectators in the demise of the Byzantine Christian Orthodox Empire.

Rome stood-by and watched, so did our Catholic European cousins, they stood-by, Idly watching Mehmetins Turkic hoards accompanied by every single Asiatic tribe known to man capture Constantinopolis, the last Christian outpost, I mean, the last bastion of Christendom in the Eastern Europe.

So It is Imperative and our prerogative to return back to Christendom, that City of Constantine...when that opportunity presents Itself!

Bruno and Krasimir, at some stage shall recognize and acknowledge...and respect, the seniority of the Greeks over the legacy rights of Byzantium.
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12/24/2011 06:32 AM
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There are 28 books written by historians stating alexander the great was half albanian...


so fuck u gayreeks... greeks invented the loose ass and the dildo lol

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12/24/2011 06:38 AM
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and greeks should be thankful to albanians for helping them create the state they have today ....


but then again, greeks are never thankful, thats why their country has become gipsyland with their unemployment at 100%

yeah, thats what happens when your not thankful to your northern neighbour... what goes around comes around.
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12/24/2011 06:54 AM
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I dont for one minute believe it is an Albanian...probably a deceptive FYRoM dude posing as an Albanian is more likely!

If it is an Albanian...sing for me in Albo language, recite the words here, your choice of song!

Sing "Ave Maria" in Albanian...go on!
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12/24/2011 06:57 AM
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There are 28 books written by historians stating alexander the great was half albanian...


so fuck u gayreeks... greeks invented the loose ass and the dildo lol
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List them here Abdul...

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If I could chose my neighbours...I would place to the right of me, a Serbian, and to the left of me, a Bulgarian, for these two I have known the longest, and I know...

...that when push comes to shove, both of them shall get to Constantinople shortly after I do!

So, to my Northern Slavic brothers, I say Merry Christmas!

Now both of you repeat after me...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people and stop the Silliness Ok!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 7595965


Haha, repeating same shit is mother of all fuckups!

Nick you are so funny to read.Probably thinking you are so tough....but you are so scared. T

hanks for the greetings. I will have to return them on January 7th.


Enjoy your Holidays,You have earned them!!
Nick the Greek
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If I could chose my neighbours...I would place to the right of me, a Serbian, and to the left of me, a Bulgarian, for these two I have known the longest, and I know...

...that when push comes to shove, both of them shall get to Constantinople shortly after I do!

So, to my Northern Slavic brothers, I say Merry Christmas!

Now both of you repeat after me...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people and stop the Silliness Ok!
 Quoting: Nick the Greek 7595965


Haha, repeating same shit is mother of all fuckups!
Nick you are so funny to read.Probably thinking you are so tough....but you are so scared. Thanks for the greetings. I will have to return them on January 7th.

Enjoy your Holidays,You have earned them!!
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Merry Christmas neighbour dude...Go tell that to all the peoples of FYRoM!

Seasonal greetings from one neighbour to another neighbour!

Kala Christo-genia...is how the biblical Macedonians would have said it.

Kala Christo-genia is how todays Macedonians say it, you see, the Greek-Hellenic language changed little over the centuries.

Now send me the same greeting in your language, neighbour dude...I want to compare your Macedonian language to the original Greek one!
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12/24/2011 08:52 AM
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Kala Christo-genia = Merry Christmas in biblical Macedonian.

Kala Christo-genia = Merry Christmas, this is how todays Macedonians say it...in their native original language!

Sreken Boshik = Merry Christmas in FYRoM's language. They call it "Macedonian," like they want to name their country "Macedonia" and their nationality "Macedonian" and their ethnicity "Macedonian."

Something not right here, right!

If the ancient Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic people and their Greekness recorded, I mean, traceable up to biblical times, and from biblical times to the present...then simple logic dictates FYRoM's language can not possibly be called, listed or named "Macedonian" language.

How confusing is it...to have a language spoken by ancient Macedonians then biblical Macedonians, and now modern Macedonians, all of them using the Greek-Hellenic language to say the same thing like "Kala Christo-genia," meaning "Merry Christmas," contested by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs who also want to call their language Macedonian.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, they have always said Kala Christo-genia, from since the advent of Christianity...they have never said or used the term "Sreken Boshik" which is used by FYRoM's SouthSlavs for the seasonal greeting "Merry Christmas."

Sreken Boshik is not Macedonian...I mean, it is the seasonal greeting used by those biblical Macedonians who never heard that term before.

Sreken Boshik is a Slavic term, meaning Merry Christmas in FYRoM's Slavic language which is a hybrid mixed SerboBulgarian language not that different, I mean, not that dissimilar to the SerboCroatian language...It can not possibly be called named or listed as Macdonian because the original Macedonian language was and still is, the Greek-Hellenic language, recorded and traceable throughout the annals of our common European history.

I say again, to all my Northern Slavic brothers...Kala Christo-genia!

I use the same seasonal greetings my ancestral forbears used, I use the Greek-Hellenic language, the language of the Macedonians.

Slav bros...respect the seniority of the Greeks!
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12/24/2011 01:11 PM
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Sreken Bozik!

See you try to learn the Macedonian language after all. Maybe there still is hope for you Nick.

[link to unterm.un.org]

See the name of the language??

MACEDONIAN it says. Merry Christmas Nick!
Nick the Greek
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12/24/2011 02:12 PM
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Sreken Bozik!

See you try to learn the Macedonian language after all. Maybe there still is hope for you Nick.

[link to unterm.un.org]

See the name of the language??

MACEDONIAN it says. Merry Christmas Nick!
 Quoting: Macedonian 6239323



Sreken Bozik...Kala Christo-genia...Merry Christmas!

SouthSlavic language...Hellenic language...English language!

Ancient Macedonians used the Hellenic language!
Biblical Macedonians used the Hellenic language!
Modern Macedonians still use the Hellenic language!

Because my Northern neighbours use a language closer to Old-Church Slavonic and because they have named it Makedonski and themselves Makedonci, so be it...I mean them No Ill-will, in fact, I wish them the best!

The differences between us...fraternal, with some concerns surrounding Inheritance, but we shall overcome, we shall come to a mutually acceptable arrangement where both Slavic speaking Makedonci and Greek speaking Makedones minimize their differences through dialogue and academically accepted scholarly reference points.

For me...Macedonians are one, both Slavic speakers and native speakers!

Final seasonal greeting for all my Slavic brothers...

...Sreken Bozik!
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The provenience newly found in the recent excavation at the site of ancient Pela, the one –times capital city of Alexander the Great, brought to light a document recording a speech made by him.
These documents were written only in Thrace –Illyrian, and not in Greek an enlightening fact.

Although the archeological discoveries add valuable knowledge to the world’s history, the geek government loath to give up a national hero is understandably reluctant to release the information to the world.

All photographers and newsmen were barred from the place of excavation. However, unable to decipher the Illyrian alphabet themselves, they searched for, and found, an obscure professor from the University of Vienna, Austria who rendered the translation for them. Little by little the information of the find has been disseminated away.

The document reveals the (Bessa –Bessa) pledge made by Kleito, son of King Bardhylus (Bardhyli) of Illyria, and his Illyrian troops, united with the Macedonian forces would fight the over-running Persians, and thereby making an end to the feud, which apparently had existed between themselves.“Brother fight brother, without good reason, the document stated

The speech itself, seems to have been made by King Alexander in a peace council held at the capital city, Malossia (Malsia) Passaron, it appears, was the only plave wich was government, as well as peace and war, seemed to have been there.

The pledge reveals many other interesting facts concerning this site of Pledges.

In the assembly, Alexander got to his feet and invited Prince Kleitos to serve with him, and the General and Alexander shook right hands , placing their other over their heart, after the approved form of the day.

Alexander‘s speech was as follows:
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“Neve jemi nga. Nje ate dhe prej njememex Illyria, Thraco, Malsia dhe Macedonia . Kemi nje gjak nje gjuhe.
Ndryshojme jo shume ne petka, illyrianet veshin ne krahe lekure dele dhe neve veshim burro kapa prej leshi te dhivet.

Me bessa – bessa qe tani sapo beme me General Kliton, dhe me ndihmene trimave Illyrian, Malsore dhe macedonasit,
Siguroj darmimin. Armikut, Persian kete here dote mundim te perhapim ndryten qutetrore tere botes qe jane ne arresyre”

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Alexander‘s speech was as follows:
“We are from a father and a mother of Illyria , Macedonia, Thraco and Malsia. We have a blood and a language.

Not change much in garments, leather arms Illyrian wear in sheep and clothe us burro kappa goat wool. With Bess – Bess just now there was the General Kliton, and with the help of brave Illyrian, highlands, and Macedon

Assure the destruction of the enemy Persian and this time will be spread all over the world the light of civilization that are in darkness”









source; [link to www.scribd.com]
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Macedonians are Greek, they have always been Greeks, I mean, they have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people. Those who deny this fact, this academic reference point are known to us...they are Slavic speaking people, most of them Greek born Slavic speaking people.

It is these people who have done the most damage to FYRoM's International image.

FYRoM's diaspora communities, now settled and into their 3rd, 4th or 5th generations abroad, have rhyme and reason to hate the Greeks...hate instilled in them from their parents and then passed down through the generations. Their grandparents and great-grandparents had to leave Greece after the Greek civil war because they fought for the communists and they lost to the royalists.

From the late 40's onwards, streams of them fled Greece for those specific reasons stated above but there are other reasons Greek born Slavic speakers left Greece...one of those reasons is this:

The very thought of learning Greek or getting Hellenized sent shivers down their backs. They left Greece willingly and voluntarily to avoid getting Hellenized...but they ended up getting Anglocized instead.

They had to learn English, the English language and new world customs, whether they went to the USA, Canada or Australia...they had to force themselves to Anglocize, if they were to progress and move forward in their respective new-found homelands.

Greek born Slavic speakers, from the Macedonian region of Northern Greece....It was these people who left their native Greece. They had to leave because they schemed and plotted against their own country of birth, had they stayed behind it meant they would have been tried for treason and other crimes against the state.

Now they have a chip on their shoulder!

We are talking about Greek born Slavic speakers from the Northern Greek region of Macedonia, who's 3rd, 4th and 5th generation offspring...scheme and plot against Greece, just like their grandparents did and great-grandparents did during WWII and the Greek Civil War respectively!

They have every reason to hate Greece...but that does not give them the right to take from Greeks, elements from the Greek peoples cultural heritage in order to present those elements as something Slavic.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people...that Slavic speaking people live there at one time
does not take or detract from the fact that, Macedonia and Macedonians have always been Greek.

2012 and this New Year coming-up shall see the Greeks more determined to defend and protect their heritage...and not just from FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!
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man, will this guy ever stop copy-paste Iliad and Odyssey?
huh
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Greeks would welcome back into the fold...any Greek born Slavic speaker, on the condition they Re-Hellenize themselves willingly and voluntarily and swear an oath of allegiance towards the Hellenic Republic.

Like their grandparents and great-grandparents had to force themselves to Anglocize when they fled Greece after WWII, their 3rd, 4th and 5th generation offspring could Re-Hellenize...but they have to do that willingly and voluntarily if they want to share in the history and heritage of the Greeks.

Macedonian history is Greek history...It is for Greek people to cherish and for historian scholars to tell, not for Slavs or Slavic speakers to corrupt and distort into a sick and twisted, perverted form of revisionism, a historical narrative suitable only for Indoctrinated brainwashed Slavic children pupils and students.

Come the new year...Greeks shall cherish more, their history and heritage!
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Greeks are ready to accept back into the fold any Greek born Slavic speaker who feels himself to be shackled into Slavdom and Slavist based, I mean, Slavist generated anti-Hellenic propaganda.

Aegean born Slavic speakers who through their paternal and maternal lineages, connect back to [Greeks] the Hellenes in ways other Slavs do not...well these Greeks are encouraged to make that journey back to their roots and ethno-origins, these Greeks we shall welcome back with open arms.

If the ancient Macedonian story resonates, means alot to you, I mean, If Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity mean alot to you in terms of feelings and collective memories, well...Re-Hellenize and make that journey back, return back to the fold.

The transition back to Hellenism...Re-Hellenization, only in this way, can Aegean born Slavic speakers make the transition back to their roots. Re-Hellenization remains the only way of sharing in the history and heritage of the Greeks.
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Nobody, I mean, No modern people can claim direct Inheritance from blood line connections to ancient populations. Like others...modern Greeks are connected to previous generations of Greeks, not directly but through fragmention, for example:

1...Todays Greeks get their cultural nourishment and sustenance from Byzantium. The connection to Byzantine Greeks transends ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic lines.

2...Byzantine Greeks got their cultural nourishment and sustenance from the ancient Hellenes who's legacy overlapped into the Byzantine era.

3...The ancient Hellenes got their cultural nourishment and sustenance from Mycaeneans...proto-Greeks.

Todays Greeks have something special which is evidently very much resented but covetted by those who neighbour Greeks...the problem for them is this:

They No connect to previous generations of native original peoples the way modern Greeks do, I mean, Indigenous autochthonous peoples from the lands they currently inhabit and reside on, rather they connect more directly with foreign peoples, asiatic peoples from the steppes of Asia!

There are some though, that do connect to Greeks...and it is these people who should consider very hard, whether they want to stay shackled into something foreign their previous maternal, paternal ancestral forebears were coerced into through Ill-perceived Slavic linguistic affiliations.

I say again...Greeks shall welcome back with open arms, any Slavic speaker who makes the transition back to their Hellenic roots and ethno-origins.

Re-Hellenization for those who really want it...this is the only way of sharing the history and heritage of the Greeks.
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I ask our Slavic neighbours to distance themselves from the Turk, every which way possible, because Mehmetin Turk has proven to be trouble-maker and a coward.

In light of the latest [news] revelations to hit the Greek-Hellenic peoples, that their own neighbours took part in Turkish planned covert actions, operations against the Hellenic Republic which saw vast swathes of forestry, I mean, Greek-Hellenic soil go up in flames...torched!

Mehmetin Turk used TurkoSlavic Abduls and Gorans to torch Hellenic soil and by extension...European Union soil, something which was known by the Intelligence services but kept from the public domain.

Mehmetin Turk makes the announcement now...damage limitation, because what comes next is even more shocking, I mean, for Greeks and by extension Europeans!

What comes next is...who Mehmetin Turk used to light the fire, the fire which torched European Union soil!

I believe Mehmetin Turk shall reveal that too...before it is revealed for them!

Mehmetin Turk used TurkoSlavic Abduls and Gorans to torch Hellenic soil and by extension...European soil, something which was known but kept from the public domain.

Cowardice...eastern asiatic Turkistani cowardice, thats what it is. The Mehmetin Turk can not confront the Greek face to face, unless ofcourse he is accompanied by every single asiatic tribe known to man and the orient.

We know, from the break-up of the Israeli-Turkish alliance...clandestine Turkistani agencies primed then recruited Balkan Musulmen and other Balkan Greek-haters, to torch Hellenic soil.

Abdul Mehmetin and Goran...give them Nothing, from them, take everything, send them back to where they belong!

The Mehmetin Turk...without a grey dog by his side, and without Abdul or Goran by his side, he is Nothing but a coward, a Turkistani coward.
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For Greeks to breath again,something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...homeland of the Greek-Hellenic peoples, the place which spawned Hellenism from since Millenia.

That place, I mean, the Haemus peninsula is vehemently and virulently anti-Hellenic today...It is a place that has been overun by TurkoSlavic people where Hellenism for them is a loaded word and where Hellenic Ideals and core values mean little and count for nothing. Greeks can not progress in such an environment, No matter how hard they try, the handi-cap remains.

Western European people share a value system based on those ancient Hellenic Ideals and core values. They have learned to live in peace and in harmony with each other, something
the Greeks have missed-out on. Greeks find themselves handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours, neighbours who would rather do the Greeks harm, who would rather see Greeks hurt and destroyed than to see them flourish and progress.

I say again...for Greeks to breath again, something needs to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, the place which spawned Hellenism but where todays Greeks are resented and despised with a passion, where Hellenism is treated with such contempt it is viewewd as being something foreign and alien. For them, I mean, the TurkoSlavic people who populate the peninsula nowadays, it is a loaded word, they hate it and they hate the Greeks also.

Greeks can not live in such an evironment. Greeks can not live next to anti-Hellenic TurkoSlavic people and flourish, I mean, progress in the same way as the rest of Europe. The best Greeks can do, is rely on the good-will of their Western European cousins.

How are the Greeks expected to prosper, go forward and progress when they are handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours...neighbours like these:

1...Turks burning Hellenic [EU] forests.
2...Turks flooding our borders with Afro-Asiatic Musulmen.
3...Turks priming Balkan Musulmen to harm Greece.
4...Turks and ex-Yugoslavs plot and scheme against Greece.
5...Diaspora ex-Yugoslavs working in tandem with Turks to rubbish Greeks and Hellenism.

To our Western European cousins I say this:

Can you endure what the Greeks have endured for ages...living next to Greek-hating anti-Hellenic Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans!
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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs exposure to SerboSlavist Indoctrination, the type they were heavily Induced with in the Savist schools of the old Yugoslavia fail on two basic principles, they fail on two simple factors:

1...SerboSlavists from the old Yugoslavia attempted to De-Hellenize the ancient Macedonians but they failed to convince the outside world, I mean, the academic world that Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity were something different from the rest of the Greeks.

2...SerboSlavists from the old Yugoslavia attempted to make Macedonians out of Bulgarian speaking SouthSlavs.

They failed on two basic principles...their failures were based on two factors SerboSlavists simply could not consolidate with what has long been known and about Macedonians.

In the end, Greeks have resigned themselves in the knowledge they are despised and resented by their immediate neighbours...Greeks have also resigned themsleves to knowing:

Without Western support Greece and Greeks would have been devoured a long time...absorbed into that Balkanic melee
where TurkoSlavic culture dominates...where Turanid and Slavist revisionism and pseudo-history would have made Trojans out of Turkics and Macedonians out of Slavics.

Greeks have resigned themselves to defend and protect what they have left, knowing full well that their history heritage and culture are under seige.
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This picture clearly depicts and Illustrates the connection between "original Macedonia" and the rest of Greece.
[link to www.flickr.com] This picture paints a thousand words, I mean, the map clearly shows the ancient region of Macedonia geographically connected to [Greece] Hellas. The ancient Macedonians were connected to Greeks by blood, they were kith and kin, family...blood relatives to the rest of the Greeks.

So the recognition of FYRoM to "Republic of Macedonia" was a mistake...a big blunder based on poor, substandard, Ill thought-out, flawed advice.

It had more to do with putting the cocky Greeks in their place than anything to do with political or academic correctness.

Modern Greek politicians were taught a big lesson by GW Bush when his administration recognized FYRoM as RoM. They were taught a big lesson for supporting Serbia. Americans considered the Greeks to be wayward maverick and cocky, not towing the line, not seen to be keen participating members of "Team Nato," this is how Greece was perceived in that American Administrations eyes...so they paid the price!

Those advisers who gave ex-President Bush, poor Ill though-out advice left us a with a political mess which has been an on-going source of friction and instabilty in the Balkans for two decades. How...and more to the point, why did those highly paid advisors issue poor substandard, Ill thought-out, flawed advice to ex-President Bush when even a cursory look at a historic map of ancient Greece puts the Macedonian name firmly into the Greek domain. Had those advisors to ex-President Bush researched more, I mean, did their jobs properly, they would have found that region of Macedonia to be connected to Greece not just by geography but ethnically and racially and culturally and linguistically connected to Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

Ofcourse, with hindsight and in the context of a supposed speech made by Henry Kissinger way back in the late 1970's,
it is easily understood that Greeks have always been considered Anarchic, wayward maverick and cocky. That Greeks were to be taught a lesson was only a matter of time.
The speech consisted of the following, now prophet words:

"The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East"

[link to www.flickr.com]
Even with this evidence the Americans thought it wise to go against the scholarly academic world...but they paid the price for that mistake.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] Historian scholars and academics alike went head to head with politicians and the politicians lost...No global politician would risk his-her integrity-credibility arguing against world academia who solidly back, supoort and endorse Macedonias Greek-Hellenic Identity.

A political Mess...ongoing now for two-decades, thanks to those politically expediant Advisors who issued poor substandard, Ill-thought-out, flawed advice to ex-president Bush back in 2004.
Nick the Greek
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Macedonia is Hellenic because it says so right here: [link to www.bergbook.com]

and here: [link to www.bergbook.com]
and here: [link to www.bergbook.com]
and here: [link to www.bergbook.com]
and here: [link to www.vintage-maps.com]

but my favourite picture is this one:

[link to www.flickr.com]

If one picture can paint a thousand words...how many words can six pictures paint...?

The point is, do we really need to be shown more than one or two pictures before common sense kicks in and [equates] evaluates Macedonia with Greece and Macedonians with Greeks.

Those advisors to GW Bush knew that Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, but out of spite and out of political expediancy...they advised George Bush to recognize FYRoM as Republic of Macedonia and simple George took their advice, afterall they were the best paid advisors on the planet, their advice was meant to be firm and astute but it was the wrong advice because it was incorrect, that advice failed on all of those scholarly disciplines known to academia so George W Bush was actually duped by his own advisors.

Like those shameless Turanid Influenced Slavists, from the old Yugoslavia attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient Macedonians...they were aided in part by anti-Hellenic Western elements who have wanted to see the Greeks tamed ridiculed and humiliated into submission with the ultimate aim of seeing the Greeks humbled until they conformed. The Greeks ofcourse are the least conformist nation in that Euro-Atlantic geo-strategic economic-security structure known as simply the "West."

The Greeks have always had anarchic tendencies, difficult to govern and even more difficult to tame, they have always been that way, from since ancient times...It took the might and the cunning of a Macedonian king to unify those fractious Greeks into one unified nation of Hellenes.

For those who don't know...that unity only kicks in when the Hellenic nation is threatened with annihilation but there is No such threat of that kind so the Greeks are being slowly suffocated instead, I mean, in the first Instance they have been attacked on their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic traditions, their religion the Orthodox church has suffered bad publicity, even the Greek national character from family orienated church going people, has now altered to one of lazy Greeks and cheating Greeks.

To get the Greeks to conform...they are being attacked, I mean squeezed economically, the ultimate weapon is to take away from Greeks their abilities to prevail under conditions condusive to the free market economies of the Western, in other words, make Greece a poor country again where the predictable effects to the country are loss of manpower loss of expertize and loss of GDP, in essence Greece will be inhibited from going forward from progressing flourishing or previaling until the conditions are right for their re-entry into a Euro-Atlantic geo-strategic space where Greeks and Greece are under the control of NoN-Greeks.

Loss of sovereignty in exchange for a tighter more Intergrated Euro-Atlantic geo-strategic area...for Greeks to breath again, something needed to change in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula!
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12/29/2011 11:57 AM
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The Idea that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are somehow connected to Macedonians...I mean, the ones who spread the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known world, was only ever in the minds of some Afrocentric Induced, Turanid Indluenced Slavists from the old Yugoslavia who exported their sickness to their diaspora. FYRoM's diaspora populations spent their wealth and their riches on badmouthing Greeks but not a penny of their wealth and riches on FYRoM itself.

It is these people from the diaspora that did the most damage to FYRoM's International Image!

1...FYRoM's Canadian diaspora started it!
2...FYRoM's American diaspora financed it!
3...FYRoM's Australian diaspora add to it!

Most of them Greek born Slavic speakers...kept from entering Greece for one reason or another, all of them hostile to Greeks and Greece!

The Irony is...Most of them are Greek born, they have Intentionally conditioned their offspring to be Greek-haters, born that way and kept that way, I mean, they were bred for purpose to see the Greeks badmouthed, ridiculed and humiliated and to ultimately see Greece destroyed!

I say...Keep them OUT!
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12/29/2011 03:55 PM
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Lets be clear...I No hate Slavs in the same way FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were conditioned to hate Greeks. My hate has more to do with their perverted revisionism of the mainstream historical record, my hate is restricted only for those who advance it!

Bottom line...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, we know from the earliest attested historical documents that their first recorded ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations were with Greeks and the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples.

Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern representatives of the ancient Hellenic legacy, we can legitimately boast the closest possible connections to the ancient Macedonians but we do not claim direct descendency from any ancient peoples...our ancestral Inheritance fragments into three stages:

1...Modern Greeks get their ancestral Inheritance from the Byzantine Greeks.

2...Byzantine Greeks got theirs from the ancient Hellenes.

3...Hellenes got their ancestral heritage from the Mycaenean Greeks [proto-Greeks].

Three stages of Inheritance...backwards compatible to previous generations of Greeks spanning a time continuum
dating back to the first Greeks. Like I said, todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern representatives of the ancient Hellenic legacy. No other modern people on this planet can boast closer connections to the ancient Hellenes [Macedonians Included] than todays modern Greeks.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, what they were before they were Greeks is for loonies to ponder and consider, and for pseudo-historians to theorize then advance, but remember this: No Theory, No Idea and No Conjecture can halt, shelve or put on hold the mainstream historical narrative pending their academic approval, so what we know about Macedonians, I mean, what is on record about Macedonians stands...Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people, this is what we know, this is what is on record so this is ground Zero, an academic reference point.

Simply put, Macedonians are to Greeks what Serbs and Bulgarians are to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...kith and kin!

In plain terms and simple language...Macedonians are blood related to Greeks in the same way Serbs and Bulgarians are blood related to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

So...If I must hate somebody it would have to be those shameless SerboSlavists, those Afrocentric Induced, Turanid Influenced Slavists from the old Yugoslavia who for years Jizzed their own children pupils and students to hate Greeks and to think of themselves as Macedonians whilst they think of ancient Macedonians as Slavs.
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[link to www.novinite.com] FYRoM's Identity crisis is not being helped by the fact that a large number of their citizens are seeking Bulgarian passports in readiness of the opening-up of European labour
markets towards Bulgarians...Bulgaria only issues passports to those who can prove Bulgarian kin-ship and ancestry.

So it very confusing for outsiders to distinguish FYRoM's SouthSlavs from Serbians and Bulgarians proper. It all stems from the way the Eastern Orthodox part of Europe developed in comparison to the Western Catholic-Ptotestant part, for example:

The Haemus [Balkan] peninsula is not that highly developed when compared to the Western part of Europe...the regions human development in regards to turning out well-rounded, well-educated civilians who can conduct themselves seriously
in the vicinity of others, utilizing manners and politeness and good-will towards others lagg behind, I mean, these highly developed human refinements are found wanting in this [Balkan] part of Europe.

Sad really, when you consider that this part of Europe was actually more highly developed and more highly refined than the Western parts of Europe just 500 years ago...I mean, before the Ottoman Turk destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire and set foot on Imperial Byzantine soil.

In just 500 years, the Eastern-Asiatic, Oriental-Musulman Turk, took the best part of Europe and converted the best part into the worst part in a relatively short period of time of just 500 years...his governance over the region.

Greeks were the last to fall and the first to rid themselves from that Eastern-Asiatic, Oriental-Musulman Yoke!

From since 1821, the resurrection and revival of Greece as an Independant Hellenic nation in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, homeland of the Greeks since antiquity...the very place which spawned Hellenism in the first place struggles to survive!

Unlike the [Western] highly developed part of Europe, Greece finds itself handi-capped by geography and by uncompromising neighbours who know next to nothing about themselves or about the history of the Haemus peninsula.

After Greek Independence...SouthSlavic countries emerged as Independant nations in their own right...the oldest known Slavic presence in the Haemus peninsula was resurrected.

Slavic Interests were to be channelled through Bulgaria and from since it's [1878] revival, Greece had to vye and compete for the hearts and minds of the regions Christian Orthodox populace in a part of Europe known to have been ruled by the Orthodox Byzantium Empire which became free from Turkic cultural-domination but was about to be culturally dominated by Slavdom.

The peoples of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...other than what they were taught by their respective Turkic and Slavist tutors know next to nothing, I mean, they know very little about the regions history and even less about their own ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic beginnings.

The Byzantines ruled over Orthodox Christendom, the peoples they ruled over were Greek speakers in the main but Slavophones were not excluded, neither were the Vlachophones and neither were the Albanophones...I mean, the Byzantines did not consider language to have made you less Romioi, for the eccliastical Imperial Byzantines, everybody was [Eastern-Roman] Romioi.

The seperation and the segregation of the common peoples of the Haemus peninsula, into their perceived alotted ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations we have Slavdom to thank for that, for creating the Bulgarian Exarchate...I mean, had Bulgaria not been revived, resurrected as an Independant Slavic nation state in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...we would all by speaking Greek now, I mean, we would all be Greek speakers and citizens of some Hellenic Influenced Supranational entity, a modern version of Byzantium where the Hellenic base culture would have absorbed Slavic and to some degree Turkic elements but where Hellenism was ultimately revered as the root culture and Hellenes respected for being, well, for being dominant and resiliant in the face of other, more numerically superior cultures.

FYRoM's confusion over Identity had more to do with that seperation and segregation of the regions common peoples where, had they stayed in the Patriarchate camp, they would have been Greek speaking Slavophones now...I mean, Macedonian Greek speaking Slavophones, residing in real and proper Macedonia respecting the regions Hellenic base culture and revering the regions ancient peoples from who'm all of us have been touched.
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Nobody does foolishness, silliness or permissiveness better than the Indoctrinated peoples of FYRoM...we know they are gullible people, I mean, we know they are simple people open to persuasion but even the most simple-hearted of them should be able to make the distinction between fakeness and foxiness. Both of these qualities are used in abundance by the authorities in FYRoM to fool their own children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macdedonians and to think of ancient Macedonians as Slavs.

I say again...nobody does foolishness, silliness or permissiveness better than the Indoctrinated peoples of FYRoM, most of who'm are from known Serbian and Bulgarian stock but have been stripped, I mean, disenfranchised from their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic roots and ethno-origins.

FYRoM's modern SouthSlavs [[Serbs][Bulgars]] are Bulgarians in the main that have been sufficiently seperated from their core Bulgarian roots and ethno-origins, seperated enough for them to have developed induced feelings and collective memories for ancient Greeks...Macedonians in this case, but as we know, they are not real or proper Macedonians because history has recorded them as Greek speaking Hellenic people.

Even though Macedonians are recorded as a Hellenic people, that little detail was not enough to inhibit SerboSlavists from indoctrinating FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs with foolishness, silliness and permissiveness...for example:

1...The foolishness with which they connect their SerboBulgarian language to the language of the ancient Macedonians is foolishness in the extreme...it borders on lunacy!

2...The Silliness with which they connect their country to the country of the ancient Macedonians is Silliness in the extreme...it borders on idiocy!

3...The indulgence with which they connect themselves to the ancient Macedonians from antiquity borders on permissiveness...They allow themselves to believe in the inbelievable!

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.
Shocking for the Indoctrinated peoples of FYRoM but it's the Truth!
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12/31/2011 08:03 AM
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Slavs did not exist at that time.
So it was impossible to be southslav.

Macedonians spoke greek,they had the ancient greek religion,the took part in the olympic games which was open only for greek tribes-nations.Alexander declared himself as the emperor and the representative of the whole greek world at that time,his teacher was aristoteles who was of course a greek philosopher,his name is of greek origin and his fathers name,he prayed to zeus,he studied Homer,his father and his mother met at the greek mysteries...an actually the whole macedonian royal line comes from sparta.
They headed towards north because it was a nice and pretty empty place and they established there a kingdom.They have many similiraties as the old spartans according to art and war etc...
You want more argument???

SO,HOW CAN HE POSSIBLE BE SLAV????
THOSE SLAVS WILL DRIVE US ALL CRAZY.
OF COURSE WE LAUGH HERE IN GREECE WITH THE SKOPIAN PROPAGANDA.

lmao
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12/31/2011 08:39 AM
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Though,something is true about the skopian propaganda...
The territory called Skopje-Vardarska was part of the ancient HELLENIC Macedonian Kingdom.
The rulers of that land were of greek origin.
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Go to wikipedia,Alexander the great.
wikipedia is not greek,it is global.
Alexander the great

Dynasty:Argead dynasty (argead is fromo argos-pelloponesse)

religious beliefs:Greek polytheism

Mother:Olympias of Epirus(as we say say olympic games)

Title:Hegemon of the hellenic League.

End of story.





GLP