Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

Greeks cannot accept FYRoM, a new country inhabited by a newly emergent South-Slavic peoples Identifying themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial, cultural-linguistic sense when the demographic and historical record places the Macedonians into the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples.

Greeks cannot permit FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to adopt or usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is all but given, those Identity factors do not bode well with the Slavonic peoples.

Greeks can accept FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs as Macedonians, but only in the geographic sense...Macedonia today is a regional
geographic term, meaning, more than one country incorporates a piece of greater Macedonian teritory within their current modern national-boundaries.

The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain, it should not be disturbed from that setting in order to satisfy FYRoM's yearning to excercize it's self determination right.

Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage...it should not be disturbed from that setting in order to satisfy FYRoM's want, to acquire it for country, nationality, language and ethnic use.

Makedonism in FYRoM has revulsed not just the Greeks, but the International community at large.

Makedonism in FYRoM has gone as far as it can go...things are looking out of place and the people there have started to question the virtues of placing gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's in places where they never set foot.

We get it. You hate people from f.y.r.o.m. I don't blame you for being mad because its obvious alexander was greek. You greeks should invade fyrom.

yeah, go Greece invade Macedonia. (same as Macedonia invaded you in the past)

Seriously? You mean, never?

1...Ok!
2...No!
3...Ok!
4...No!

It's a matter of education...Greeks cannot have on their doorstep, a brainwashed South-Slavic peoples Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology who's beginnings can be traced back to the Imperialist Tzarist era and the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate.

Education...It's a matter of education!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they are exactly what it says on the tin...Yugoslavs meaning South-Slavs!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit that he No speak Macedonian but Serbo-Bulgarian!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit the he No live in Macedonia but Paeonia and Dardania!

It takes a brave South-Slav to admit these things, that he has been living a lie!

I No hate them, I wish to educated them on the mainstream history of the peninsula they reside on, in order to befriend them as a neighbour...their native-original, Indigenous and autochthonous Neighbour.

Things look odd and out of place in FYRoM...If you look closely, you shall see Greek things in close proximity to Bulgarian things and Abanian things in close proximity to Turkish things which makes the country appear typically Balkanic to the discerning visitor.

The Central Balkan Republic would have been a fine name for FYRoM to have made it's debut onto the world stage but instead...FYRoM opted to go for the Macedonian name.

FYRoM entered onto the world stage as Republic of Macedonia when there is nothing Macedonian there, kick starting-off a
an argument with Greece over human-rights issues and claims of inheritance to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

Greece closed it's borders to the new fledgling country and recognized it only as FYRoM...the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, pending resolution to a name dispute which still continues until today.

FYRoM failed to get the recognition it thinks it deserves and also failed to get into the western-worlds most prestigious economic and security structures of the EU and NATO.

FYRoM's aspirations remain unfulfilled!

After 21 years of it's short existence, FYRoM appears to have lost it's way...If it looks West, it is kept at arms length, at a distance, shoved-up a siding, If it looks East, FYRoM treads on egg-shells.

The Americans tried to involve themselves in the Balkans but gave it a miss...too messy and dangerous for them. The Russians try to involve themselves in the region by carving-out energy routes which eventually convert into strategic-partnerships. Turkey involves itself also, on the basis it has influence in the region.

When all things are considered...logic dictates that FYRoM's best Interests are best served making good with it's immediate neighbours rather than with far-off ones, but if FYRoM were to do this it would necessiate the loss of Makedonism, the Ideology which seeks to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively and every single element that is assocoiated with it, the history the heritage and the legacy.

There must be a way for Greece and FYRoM to resolve their differences...the two peoples have spent more than a generation apart and rapproachment shall take time to bear fruition.

The longer FYRoM is kept at arms length, at a distance from the European family...the more it becomes the norm.

It's time to resolve the name dispute...the time is now!

The name dispute must end within the guidelines of two strict parameters...(i) the Macedonian name must stay in the Greek domain and (ii) the ancient-Macedonian Identity must stay clamped to Greek heritage.

Modern peoples wanting to use those ancient and archaic ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity factors, must at least attempt to show some affinity towards them.

Modern-Greeks do this by (i) speaking the same language as they did and (ii) living on the same turf as they did.

Nobody ever contested or disputed this issue until FYRoM entered onto the world stage in 1991 proclaiming themselves a nation of Macedonian speaking peoples from Macedonia.

When scrutinized, it was found that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not actually speak Macedonian. The language they actually speak is properly called Serbo-Bulgarian but Slavist philologists from the old-Yugoslavia misnamed it to Macedonian-language in the autumn of 1944 during WWII.

When scrutinized, it was found that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs do not actually live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The lands on which FYRoM sits on today were called ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands during antiquity, until the latin-Romans came to the region and altered the geography by adding those lands to an extended, more enlarged geographic-region they renamed to Macedonia-Secunda Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia or the added-on Macedonia, the Beneficial-Macedonia. Macedonia-Prima the Romans kept Greek and seperate from Macedonia-Secunda.

Because FYRoM's mind-architects raised generations of young Slavic children, pupils and students on Makedonism...a now outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology, we have a situation today where young Slavic children walk the streets thinking themselves Macedonians and ancient-Macedonians as Slavs. Alexander the Great for them becomes Aleksandar Veliki, the first Czar of the Slavs.

Is it that simple: I mean, to alter the demographic composition of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Is it that simple: I mean, to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs.

Is it that simple: I mean, to Serbianize the Bulgarian language in 1944 by seeding it with 5 Serbian letters and then rename it to Macedonian-language.

Is it that simple: I mean, to rename the Vardar region of South-Serbia in 1945 to Socialist Republic of Macedonia.

Slavist Makedonists delibrately played around with the hearts and minds of their own Slavonic peoples...simple-minded and simple-hearted peoples, brainwashed them on Makedonist doctrine, Indoctrinated them with the Idea they are true Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Makedonism teaches young Slavic children to see the Greeks as not real Greeks but titular-Greeks, Greeks in name only, not in substance. Makedonism teaches young Slavic children Greeks were created by the West to cheat the Slavic race from it's real true history in the Haemus peninsula which they equate to the ancient-Macedonians.

Greeks live next to primitive, brainwashed South-Slavic peoples...Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an Ideology first started during the Imperialist Tzarist era with the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate. Makedonism seeks to alter the demographic of the Haemus peninsula by changing the racial composition of the Macedonians from ethnic-Greek to ethnic-Slav.

I say again...Is it that simple to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs.

The ease in which it was initiated, and the ease in which it all happened behind closed doors in the old-Yugoslavia during WWII leads me to believe that it could all happen again...I mean, the renaming of a modern composite-hybrid existing language to an ancient and archaic language could easily happen again. The way in which Slavist philologists presented us with a brand-new mixed-hybrid South-Slavic language could happen again with say, the Thracian-language.

The ease with which a Serbo-Bulgarian language was simply renamed to Macedonian-language and then quickly established through-out Slavdom, the Slavic world as a bona-fide ethnic-language leads me to believe it could all happen again. It could easily be repeated with say, the ancient-Thracian language.

What is to stop these three countries Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey, each of them playing host to a piece of ancient-Thracian teritory from creating a seperatist group within their respective folds and Indoctrinating them with the belief they are Thracians, the modern descendants of the ancient-Thracians from antiquity. What is to stop Bulgaria,
Greece or Turkey from seperating one of their linguistic regional dialects and renaming it Thracian-language.

If Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey followed the Slavist formula,
the same formula Slavist-Makedonists used to creat a Macedonian language from Serbian and Bulgarian...then today, we would have another new country in the Balkans, the Republic of Thrace trying wanting to carve-out an existence for itself in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

Absurd, right! but this is no different to the way FYRoM came into existence.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom!

Slavist [FYRoM] Makedonists from the old-Yugoslavia seek to alter the demographic of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula by changing the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic composition of Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs...

...the fools that they are!

The best kept secret in the old-Yugoslavia was the Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Scores of Slavic children spanning many generations were never told that they were Greeks...that Macedonians were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Slavist Makedonist kept it a secret from their own children pupils and students...that is why it is very difficult now, for the Slavs of FYRoM to accept the reality that they are not the Macedonians they thought they were or were told they were.

I say again: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...Ban Ki Moon knows that!

Macedonians have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom...Mathew Nimitz knows that!

So, Time to End the Name Dispute!

Why argue over something which has been long established right through-out the academic-world!

That it was kept from the Slavonic peoples from the old-Yugoslavia is not the Greeks fault...rather, it is the fault of those revisionist Slavists and that Makedonist Ideology they devoutly follow.

Greece objects to FYRoM using the name “Macedonia” for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity on the basis...those Identity factors do not bode well with Slavonic peoples. Greece makes the point that FYRoM's actions are opportunist in tone and in manner, arguing that they imply territorial and cultural-claims to the Northern-Greek region of the same name.

Bulgaria objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" for their new Slavic-language. Bulgaria contends that FYRoM's so called "Macedonian-language" is simply a western-dialect of the Bulgarian-language.

Serbia objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" for their new Christian Orthodox Church. The Serbian Orthodox Church does not recognize the separation of FYRoM's self-proclaimed Macedonian Orthodox Church.

Albania objects to FYRoM using the name "Macedonian" to describe Albanians. Poor relations between FYRoM's Slavic majority and the ethnic-Albanian minority have raised doubts about the country’s long-term viability.

The Socialist Republic of Macedonia became such inside the confines of a communist-era Yugoslav federation in 1945. It gained Independence from since 1991 when the Yugoslav federation disintegrated and broke up. The country’s legitimacy have since been questioned at several levels.

Greece does not accept the existence of a Macedonian Nation peopled by Non-Greeks.

Bulgaria does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian-language spoken in FYRoM predominantly by Bulgarians.

Serbia does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian Christian-Orthodox Church...and neither does the rest of Orthodox Christendom.

Albania does not accept the existence of a so called Macedonian country peopled by a South-Slavic majority but which cannot get into the EU and NATO under that name.

FYRoM sees it's immediate neighbours as the 4 Wolves...4 hungry Wolves out to rip FYRoM apart whilst Turkey, a far-off Islamic country is viewed as their saviour, the one who looks out for their wellbeing.

The Turkish connection irks Europe...they see FYRoM as Turkeys gigantic warehouse bang in the middle of the Balkans!

As written above...Wet dreams of a deluded greek!!!

Greece had a chance to be real regional leader. But they choose ignorance, xenophobia, mistrust, lies to be their policy maker. So in the end greek nightmare will come true. Prepare for high tide from east. There is giant waking up. God help us all!


As for Macedonians from Republic of Macedonia... They will never accept a name that differs from MACEDONIA.

Either accept that or you can play blind putting your head in the sand whenever you counter us.

1...The delusion ofcourse is all yours...You are the one calling himself Macedonian when in reality, you are blood related to Serbians and Bulgarians. You even speak a composite of their language but have the audacity to call it Macedonian.

2...This is a lie. Greece never made overtures to become regional leader of an Impoverished place like the Balkans.

3...Our Slavic neighbours teamed-up with our Turkic neighbours ostensibly and seruptitiously to badmouth Greeks, rubbish Greek history and attempt to eradicate Hellenism, the host-culture of the Haemus from it's primordial homelands. Greeks became overly sensitized towards Turanid-Slavist based anti-Hellenic propaganda, xenophic and mistrustful of both.

4...Our nightmare will be the Mother of all nightmares.

5...You mean Turkey! but it is your country that befriends them, and you do it in ways which the rest of the Balkans finds loathesome and repulsive.

6...Makedonski speaking Makedonci from Makedonija, there are various ways of saying the same thing! right!

7...Everytime we encounter you guys, you shall hear these words...Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs...every single demographic report and population census actioned under the auspices of the great powers during the upheavals of the late 19th Century confirm this statement to be true. Ottoman census data and population statistics do the same, but FYRoM's Slavist orientiated Makedonists continue in their work to alter the demographics of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by attempting to change Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs...but for Greek objections!

I say again: Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs arbitrarily calling themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial, cultural and liguistic sense, flies in the face of the available evidence which places them into the Slavic collective of peoples...a completely different ethnic and racial group from the Macedonians who are ethnic-Greeks and always have been.

Makedonism in FYRoM has blured the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks...Slavist mind-architects teach young Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall continue to defend and protect their national history and cultural-heritage from the likes of FYRoM's Indoctrinated Youth.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks...only fools, simpletons and Makedonist Indoctrinated South-Slavs deny it, dispute it and contest it, in the face of massive quantities of accumulated Overwhelming evidence.

Only fools and severely brainwashed South-Slavs attempt to blur the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks.

Only hardened propagandists dare to equate Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity to the Slavonic race.

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...with credentials like this, only foolish simpletons Indoctrinated on Makedonism say otherwise, testament to the brainwashing skills of their Slavist teachers.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs using the Macedonian name to describe themselves, their country, their nationality language and ethnicity is problematic and confusing...Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been using that regional-tribal name from since Millenia.

What rights do the Slavs of FYRoM have to rubbish this!

The right to self-determination does not transcend the rights of other peoples...FYRoM does not have right to usurp the Macedonian name on the basis it was never theirs to begin with.

FYRoM's national history rests solely on the twin alters of historical-revisionism and pseudo-history...the former complimenting the latter and visa-versa.

Historical-revisionism: is an attempt to either legitimize the academic-scholarly re-examination of already existing mainstream-knowledge about a particular historical period or event...or just the wanton and illegitimate distortion of the mainstream-historical record, carried out in such a way that it makes certain events appear in a more or lesser favourable light.

Pseudo-history: is a term applied to the misinterpretations of historical-texts, or just texts in general which purport to be historical in nature but which depart from the standard mainstream-historical conventions in such a way that it undermines their conclusions. Pseudo-history is closely related to historical-revisionsm, works which purposely draw controversial conclusions from either new, speculative, or disputed historical evidence particularly in the fields of national, political, military, and religious-affairs are often rejected as pseudo-history.

Natural-law dictates that only natural things can survive in natures-world...unnatural things shall perish over time, on the basis, the nourishment and sustenance they need to survive decreases diminishes and depletes seriously, to the point of exhausting the abundance of supply...in FYRoM's case, the food-stuffs [[Historical-Revisionism][Pseudo-History]] which nourishes and sustains FYRoM's existence is in serious decline, to the point of exhaustion.

FYRoM's national survival rests solely on the twin pillars of historical-revisionism and pseudo-history, foodstuffs
that nourish and sustain the fledgling country's national existence. Without those two unnatural but fundamental nation-building elements, FYRoM would simply cease to exist.

Fundamental to Makedonism...is the outright rejection of the long established mainstream historical record for the devout adherence to a Slavist based expansionist Ideology, first initiated during the lead-up and establishment of the
Bulgarian Exarchate in the last decades of the 19th Century.

To make Macedonians out of Serbians and Bulgarians, Slavists
had to develop the conditions for the Slavic usage of the term Macedonia(n)....they taught Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs to drop the local terms (i) Bulgar (ii) Vulgari, for the new way of Identifying themselves. Slavist schools, taught young Bulgarian speaking children to think of themselves as Macedonians.

From the Imperialist Tzarist era when Russia unilaterally agitated for Bulgarian Independence, Slavists, whether Pan or Imperialist in Ideology started to teach young Slavic children to see themselves as Macedonians, but it was during the Communist Stalinist era that Makedonism gained inertia...those Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs had their Bulgarian-language Serbianized, and by the autumn of 1944, Tito the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia christened that hybrid Serbo-Bulgarian concoction to Macedonian-language.

Just one year later in 1945, that same Croatian dictator renamed the Vardar region of South-Serbia to Macedonia...he made a brand new Republic out of a South-Serbian province and so, the Socialist Republic of Macedonian came into being
as the 6th Autonomous Republic of Yugoslavia.

The Intelligence fraternity of the time following these events did equate these actions to Slavic exspansionist Ideas, pushing Slavdom southwards, towards Greece and Aegean sea...the rest is history, well documented history!

The point is, FYRoM cannot erase those recent historical events, calculated at the time as Slavic opportunistic expansionism...Makedonism is an essential element of that expansionism and it is still alive and very active today in FYRoM.

Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous...nourished and sustained by historical-revisionism and pseudo-history. Without these
two essential Makedonist elements, FYRoM perishes, ceases to exist.

To have a neighbour next door to you attempt to decorate his house the same as yours...to adorn virtually the same fixtures and fittings as yours is rather spooky, but it gets wierd when that same neighbour starts to use your name and Identity and then attempts to have it registered in order to pass it off as his own.

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door
to each other, but if one John Smith attempts to usurp the Identity of the other one...that is called Identity theft!

The above analogy describes perfectly the situation between FYRoM and Greece!

FYRoM is a newly emergent country that entered onto the world stage in 1991, from the disintegration and break-up of the old-Yugoslavia. They way it achieved Independance was unlike that one would have expected...the transition to Independance was achieved remarkably peacefully. FYRoM made it's debut onto the world stage using the name Republic of Macedonia and then embarked on making it's presence felt in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, a region of the world steeped in Greek history.

Slavists from FYRoM immediately took the opportunity to re-invoke Makedonism...an Ideology based on Slavic expansion southwards to Greece and onwards to the Aegean sea.

Makedonists in FYRoM painted and decorated the country in the jamboree of colours and styles typically found in the Hellenic world. Place names and street furniture began to appear in the Hellenic style, and gigantic statues and grand-archways erected in the classicist Hellenic format. The country began to take on the look and feel of a Theme-Park based on Greek Macedonian hero's and Hellenistic architecture.

For Greeks to watch their new neighbour do these things, to promote Greek-culture and take on Greek names was initially very flattering to say the least, until they realised FYRoM was not doing it to laud the Greeks, instead, they were doing it to spite the Greeks, to ridicule them and to humiliate them and their Hellenic culture.

FYRoM's Slavist devotion to Makedonism...an expansionist Ideology, promulgates the seperation between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks. Makedonist Slavists advocate an unambiguous distinction between them and presses for the recognition in law of a seperate NoN-Greek Macedonian nation.

Greeks now view FYRoM as being hostile towards them and their Hellenic-culture. Greeks consider FYRoM's actions as provocative beligerance, they see them working alongside Tuanid Turkics to see the destruction and eradication of the host-culture in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

When a neighbour paints and decorates the outside of his house the same as yours, and then takes on your name, and then adorns the internal walls of his house with pictures and portaits of your ancestral forbears, and then petitions
to register these changes as exclusively his own...what would you do ???

Greeks know what to do!

Greeks shall squeeze the PiPs out of them...Greeks shall sqeeze those Slavist orientated Makedonists until the last gasp of air extinguishes from their aiways!

I say, go tell those Makedonist Indoctrinated Slavists where to get-off! Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs.

Ahhhahahaaaa^^ you fools... they give you a topic to argue about and you guys take the bait and are able to even go to war over a frigging name, creating more hate and division , in a time where we should be united against the beast that invaded earth... way to fall for divide and conquer tactics... let this shit go... it s not worth it... it s only there to keep your minds and attentions occupied and distracted from the real issues

Greeks cannot permit Makedonist Indoctrinated South-Slavs to rubbish Greek-history denigrate Hellenism and generally belittle, badmouth Greeks on the Internet. Slavist Makedonists from FYRoM along with their Turanid Turkic partners got together to badmouth Greeks, to assassinate the Greek National-Character as best and as often as they possibly can.

Before 1991...The Greek National-Character was that of a typical Mediterenean, a Southern-European, a family orientated religious God-fearing Orthodox-Christian with a flare for business entrepreneurial acumen.

After 1991...When FYRoM entered onto the world stage, the Greek National-Character was attacked 24/7 to make the Greek
look like a lazy cheating Southern-European. The modern-Greek National Character assassinated at every given opportunity, but little did FYRoM and it's Western and Turkic backers, sponsors, supporters know that...The Greek Character having formed over millenia, can be summarized as being multi-faceted. Most people would firstly consider Greeks as Mediterenean peoples, but there is more...

1...Mediterenean: Greeks could be clustered together with Southern-Europeans, Italians, Maltese, Spaniards, Portuguese and to a lesser extent the French within the context of a greater Greco-Roman civilization.

2...Western European: Since, in the West, Greece is considered to be the cradle of Western civilization. Some Western Europeans actually see themselves in ancient-Greeks.

3...Eastern European: Since Byzantine-Greeks baptized christianized and civilized the Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox Christendom.

4...Middle-Eastern: Since the Greek expansion and colonization eastwards, ensured prolonged ties with oriental eastern cultures.

5...Balkanian: Greeks are not comfortable with this term, Greeks prefer Southeastern-European instead, anyway, a Balkan Identity exists, similar to that of Albanians, Serbians, Bulgarians, Romanians and Western-Turks exists. There are discernible common elements, contributions from the Byzantine Eastern-Roman Empire and from the Ottoman Empire, contributions which bear testament to shared tradition attributes and mannerisms.

Greeks have always been a sea-faring International Peoples from since millenia.

The Greek Character is Multifaceted, drawing in, embedded experiances from 5 different geographical locations.

The Greeks were never restricted to just one particular country, there were no countries with fixed border's in ancient times.

Greeks during antiquity could be visualized as stretching from Iberia in the West to the Crimea in the East...and beyond.

There was never a country called Greece in ancient times, instead, there were many-Greeks inhabiting Many regions...from Iberia to the Crimea.

Lest we forget: From the river Iber in the West to the river Evros in the East, that space in between in a Greek concept...Evropi!

Can FYRoM really Rubbish This!

Without a break and from an ethno-cultural continuum perspective, the Greek ethno-culture tops the list for being the most resiliant and dominant host-culture in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Greece, the geographic landscape played and still plays host to generations of Greeks that can legitimately boast unbroken ethno-cultural ties back to previous generations of Greeks...in perfectly traceable backwards-compatible fashion, traversing a time continuum spanning millenia.

From since the earliest times, Greece, the geographic landscape, has seen the Hellenic ethno-culture assimilate numerous waves of peoples exogenous to the Haemus peninsula.

That Greece absorbed wave after wave of exogenous genetic infusions over time, validates the resiliance and the dominance of the host-culture.

The genes, the peoples of the Haemus peninsula carry today, may not reflect faithfully their current ethnic-feelings and national-pride...ethnicity can be taught and nations are relatively recent political constructs.

The native and original, Indigenous and autochthonous genes of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula have been mapped...If you carry these in your biological make-up, there is a more than an evens chance you have Greek in You!

Greeks can boast the longest unbroken ethno-cultural continuum in the Haemus peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Hellenes from since millenia.

Who has the right to rubbish this!

The Slavic speaking peoples of FYRoM are not Macedonians, at least not in the Greek sense of that word...they cannot possibly be, it is impossible. Macedonians self-determined as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples as long ago as 3 Millenia, it is an impossibility for them to have evolved naturally from Greek speaking Hellenic peoples into Slavic speaking Serbo-Bulgarian peoples without the worlds ethnogenists or demographers knowing about it.

Indeed, and in-fact...the worlds leading ethnogenists and demographers already mapped the races of the Balkans into their own self-determined ethno-cultural groupings.

For the Slavic speaking Serbo-Bulgarians from the old-Yugoslavia to wantonly attempt an opportunistic preemptive strike at taking from the Greeks, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names in order to convert it into an ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity flies in the face of what is already known about them.

Even with vast amounts of accumulated worldly knowledge about them, they still shamelessly invoke the UN charter of human rights to self-determine as Macedonians even though they are a Slavic speaking peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Greeks cannot permit them to take the Macedonian name away from the Greek domain. Greeks cannot permit a South-Slavic peoples to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for their
new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when those Identity factors are foreign to Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs searching for an Identity rooted in classical antiquity are better-off going for the Paeonina Identity...afterall, that is where FYRoM is situated in ancient-geographical terms. FYRoM is far away from real and proper Macedonia. FYRoM is Paonia in the south and Dardania in the north.

To want to change Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs smacks of Makedonism...an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology first initiated during the Imperialist Tzarist era when Russia solely agitataed for the revival and resurrection of the oldest known Slavic presence in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula...Bulgaria!

Makedonism would not exist but for the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate!

By some remote possibility, even Afghans could claim Macedonian descent, Egyptians and Syrians also. Tajiks too, they could do exactly the same, afterall, Alexander the Great went there and built Alexandia Eschate...the farthestmost ancient-Greek City in the orient.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wherever the ancient-Macedonians went, from the places they visited, built or renamed could claim to be a descendant. A modern-day Anatolian, Armenian, Georgian, Ukranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Persian or Afghan, or even Indians Pakistanis and Tajikistanis could claim ancient-Macedonian heritage...who could stop them, or even deny that it is entirely possible.

In the end, many peoples from many places could claim
ancestry from the ancient-Macedonians and some do, but none of them deny that Alexander the Great was the Greek-King of Macedon, or that the ancient-Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM did it all wrong, they went about it entirely the wrong way...they entered onto the world stage and immediately proclaimed themselves top of the chain Macedonians. They went further by announcing they were ethnic-racial Macedonians, and then embarked on a dirty campaign to discredit the Greeks. It would have been far better for them to have said:

"We are Slavs, but we are Macedonians too, and along with the Greeks, share some of the regions history and cultural-heritage, courtesy of inter-marriage between the Slavonic tribes and Northern-Greeks during the Slavic settlements of the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD."

Had FYRoM, a new Slavic-country, made its debut onto the world satge with this Introduction, depicting and illustrating their ethnogenesis story, is more plausible than the one they actually entered onto the world stage with. Slav-Macedonians claiming exclusive ownership over the name, history and cultural-heritage of the region, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks set the tone of future political relations between FYRoM and Greece.

FYRoM started-off on the wrong foot. If only they started-off from a plausible and probable point of view. They could have stated from the outset, "We are Slavs but we are Macedonians too, just like the Greeks," and by the virtues of inter-marriage and cross-fertilization are entitled to share at least some history and heritage of the Macedonian region.

Alas, this was not the way FYRoM chose...instead, FYRoM chose an aggressive anti-Hellenic approach, a racist approach and a slanderous approach where they teamed-up with Turkic Turanid psuedo-historians ostensibly to rewrite the ancient-history of Europe, where Turkics found their roots and ethno-genesis in ancient-Troy and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs found theirs in ancient-Macedonia.

FYRoM started-off wrong, they started-off on the wrong foot and stayed on the wrong path continuously and systematically tripping over themselves and shooting themselves in the foot. Every single paragraph in their Turanid-Induced Slavist-Influenced pseudo-scriptures are found to be inconsistant and incompatible with the long established mainstream historical narrative. Macedonians have always been Greeks but FYRoM's mind-achitects chose to alter the demographics by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

If only they started-off on the other foot...

Alexander the Great was the ancient-Greek King of Macedon, all of the worlds credible encyclopedias state that fact as do the worlds leading classicist scholars...so why is FYRoM so reluctant to admit, acknowledge and recognize Alexander the Greats Greekness. In FYRoM's Slavist orientated history books, they omit the term Greek for the term Macedonian.All references to the terms Greek and Hellenic are substituted for the term Macedonian, as if to accentuate the emphasis on his Macedonian Identity rather than his Greek-Hellenic Identity.

FYRoM promotes Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology which attempts to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs by excluding all terms of reference to their Greekness. They have used revisionism and pseudo-history which eradicates and makes no mention of the fact that the ancient-Macedonians started-off as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM cannot alter it's stance now...It has gone too far down the road of No return. An admission of the ancient-Macedonians Greekness would be to admit that they lied to their own children pupils and students for generations.

So FYRoM is in a quagmire of it's own making...isolated and alone, kept at arms length, at a distance until the politicians there decide to teach their children the true history of the peninsula they reside on.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...FYRoM should at minimum, respect that!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! This is a factual statement!

What made the Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia think they could alter the demographics of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands!

Alexander the Great, the famous military leader from the 4th Century BC was born in Pella in the Kingdom of Macedon, a region in Northernmost Greece. For many Greeks, the connection to Alexander the Great is a source of ethnic and national pride. Quite Understandable then, that Greeks get so upset when FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim him for their own ancestor on the basis he was Macedonian. The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia came into being as a direct result of the break-up and disintegration of the old-Yugoslavia, declaring its Independence in 1991.

Greeks get upset because FYRoM is situated outside of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, so called historic-Macedonia in differentaiation to geographic-Macedonia where FYRoM is currently located. Greeks get upset at FYRoM perpetuating the Idea that the country is connected geographically and culturally to the ancient-Kingdom when clearly, it is not.

FYRoM's historian scholars and academics alike, disagree with an impressive array of >372 International classicist historians that support and endorse the Greekness of the ancient-Macedonians, placing them into the Greek domain, in with the Greek-collective of peoples. This disagreement with the International academic community has damaged FYRoM seriously.

Classicist historian scholars wholly disagree with FYRoM's attempt to adopt Alexander the Great for their ancestor. By making him their own Indigenous national hero represents a gross distortion of what is actually known about ancient-Macedonians. The long established mainstream historical narrative shall not be shelved or put on-hold, or held hostage to FYRoM's theories Ideas and conjectures pending their academic approval. For these scholars, it represents a fictionalized fabrication of classicist-history, the very subject they spent their whole professional carears disseminating in the most prestigious learning Instutions of the Western world.

Historically speaking, Macedonia has always referred to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, an ancient and archaic geographical region...not to a race, ethnicity or nationality, and this region was integral to the ancient-Hellenic world.

Geographically speaking, the greater Macedonian region extended outwards to cover ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands, courtesy of latin-Roman rule.

The Romans named those extended parts, Macedonia II Salutaris meaning the added-on parts or the beneficial parts. The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon the Romans kept seperate and Greek by naming it Macedonia-Prima, meaning the first and foremost Macedonia.

The largest part of extended geographic-Macedonia is actually Historic-Macedonia, [51%] where the ancient-Kingdom is situated...inside the Northern boundaries of modern-Greek state, the Hellenic Republic.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs, this fact is evidenced both historically and geographically!

Can FYRoM's Slavist Makedonist Silliness really Rubbish This!

By emphasising their so called Macedonian-Identity above that of their South-Slavic-Identity...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are blurring the distinction between the two. By presenting themselves to the world as just Macedonians is a gross distortion of what is actually known about them.Macedonians are the Northernmost-Greeks who's ancestors were responsible for spreading Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world.

By attempting to make [Macedonian] a geographic-term, an ethnic-racial, national-Identity...FYRoM has embarked on a
one-way path of No return. There is no going back now!

By educating young Slavic children to think of themselves as
ethnic-racial Macedonians, FYRoM's educators commit crimes against their own children...and crimes against humanity on the basis, Macedonia(n) is Not ethnic, racial or National-Identity but a geographic-term, describing a region in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula which constitutes historic and geographic factors.

The Haemus peninsula spawned Hellenism...it is where the Hellenic tribes formed, a collection of >230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms, peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. For FYRoM to take one of their names in order to use it for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity flies in the face of what we know about South-Slavs.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not Macedonians...at least Not in the Greek sense of that word, they sould have made the distinction between the geographic and historic terms.

1...Geographic-Macedonians are the Greeks, the Bulgars, the Albanians and FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...all of these peoples reside on geographic-Macedonian soil.

2...Historic-Macedonians are the Greeks who reside inside the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, Northenmost Greece. Historic-Macedonia constitutes 51% of Geographic-Macedonia.

The distinction is clear...crystal clear!

Greeks have always lived in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon even when it was administered by the latin-Romans.

FYRoM sits on 39% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The name was applied to Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands for administrative purposes during latin-Roman rule.

Bulgaria sits on 9% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon either, for the same reasons stated above.

Albania sits in 1% of Geographic-Macedonia...this part has nothing to do with the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon for all the same reasons as above.

It was wholly primitive and opportunistic for FYRoM to have attempted a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian name away from the Greeks in such crude and crass circumstances.

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs, evidenced on both geographic and historic grounds.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can boast Macedonian-Identity only on geographic grounds...courtesy of those latin-Romans who extended the Macedonian name to cover over Paeonian and Dardanian lands, and that is where FYRoM is situated right now, ancient-Paenia in the north and ancient-Dardania in the south, there is nothing real or proper Macedonian there.

Like the Bucharest Treaty expiring in 2013 was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like the Rosetta Stone Middle Text [demotic-Egyptian] Inscriptions being the long lost language of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Alexander the Great being the first Czar of the Slavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Macedonians are different to Greeks is a hoax...so is Makdonism!

Like so many of FYRoM's Makedonist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are ultimately proven to be just hoaxes, designed primarily to belittle Hellenism and ridicule, humiliate the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the people there still cling-on to the remotest possibility they can still be Macedonians in some form or another, and ofcourse they can be, but only in the geographic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians geographically, on the basis of geography only. Today, the term Macedonia(n) is applicable to more than one country. Macedonia(n) is a geographic term not ethnic or racial, and certainly not national term.

It's all a hoax, Macedonians are Greeks, they cannot possibly be anything else because of the name.

Macedonia(n) is a Greek-Hellenic name derived from the Hellenic language.

Greek speaking Hellenic people created the Macedonian name first using their own native-indigenous Macedonian tongue which was a dialect of the Greek-Hellenic language.

It's all a hoax! Slavic speaking South-Slavs cannot possibly be Macedonians, they are a different race, they are foreign to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula!

The best outcome would be for FYRoM to admit that they Slavs first and foremost, and then stipulate they are Macedonians too, on the basis they live on geographic-Macedonian turf.

Only in this way can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs share in the history and the heritage of this region, acknowledging first and foremost that it is the Greeks who hold primacy in hierarchical terms to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

A Nation of peoples is made-up from various ethnicities sometimes at ease with each-other, speaking the same language and following the same culture...uniformed ways and traditions from since they have known each-other, or from since the state in which they live-in was set-up.

A Nation of peoples can absorbe outsider exogenous foreign elements into it's fold and convert them ((assimilate)(acculturate)) over time...that time-period is known to us, it hovers around the 200 year mark or 8 generations. We know this from the Bulgarians, a modern-Nation of Slavic speakers but their ancestral-forebears were neither Slavs nor Slavic speakers.

Indeed and in-fact, the proto-Bulgar tribes that descended into the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD, were outsiders, exogenous foreigners, alien to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

From since the eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic tribes, supreme overlords over the Slavic tribes, were ushered into Europe and settled into the Byzantine Empire, the Greco-Roman world, new Nations formed with the Slavic element ascendant above all the other ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic groups.

Those despotic-overlords, those Avaro-Huns were small in number and finally succumbed to the more numerous Slavic tribes they subjugated, taking-on their tribal-names, their language, and their ways and traditions...it is called assimilation and acculteration and it usually takes around 200 years or 8 generations to take effect.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can be visualized playing their part in that scenario. Their ancestors may have included eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic peoples, certainly included Slavic-peoples but Macedonian-peoples...I doubt it! and I shall explain why ?

Macedonians at that time...during the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic Incursions of the 6th Century AD were Greek speaking
Greco-Roman peoples calling themselves (Romioi) Romans, also known as Byzantine Eastern-Romans. Once settled into the Empire, that Melieu of exogenous Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic tribes may have assimilated and acculterated some Greco-Romans from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs may carry in their biological make-up, that same genetic stuff as those Greco-Romans. If that were proven, that would make them partially Greek. These implications are significant because it would entitle them to claim partial-Greek ancestry!

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration traversed all ways...that Slavic melieu which ultimately, over time absorbed those Avaro-Hunnic and Bulgar elements may have also absorbed Greco-Roman elements from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Avar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Hunnic ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Bulgar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Slavic ancestry but they
prefer to claim Macedonian ancestry with it, mixing and matching Slavic-things with Macedonian-things.

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration
made Avaro-Hunnic people Slavic, made proto-Bulgar people Slavic, it may have also made Greco-Roman people from the Macedonian region Slavic, this is how it works. Conversley,
those assimilation and acculteration processes worked visa-versa. That Greco-Roman melieu may have absorbed elements from that Slavic melieu and made them Byzantines, this is how it works.

FYRoM's political elite were Silly to have brought ancient-history into the equation, the history debate they were always destined to lose, a Mistake that ultimately proved to be their Nemesis. The Macedonian name they covet so much they can only use in the geographic context...nothing more than this.

The Macedonian name is best left in the Greek domain and the Macedonian-Identity best left to Greek-heritage...these are the basics and the fundamentals which cannot be changed. Attempting to alter these factors simply edges FYRoM closer to the abyss.

FYRoM is a Slavic country with partial-Greek connections. The peoples there could claim Byzantine-heritage, traceable back to the 6th Century AD. FYRoM is Slavic but Macedonian too, in the geographic context...nothing more than this.

Alexander belongs to no-one but the Greeks. Alexander the Great belongs to Greek-heritage only. It would be foolish for nationalities today, to fight over his ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity. The Macedonian-name belongs no-where but in Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to no other heritage but the Greek one.

These basic fundamentals apply even if there were no Greeks today to claim Alexanders legacy.

Had the Greeks expired, became extinct and left us no heirs or inheritors to claim the ancient-Hellenic legacy... Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity would still have gone down in recorded history, in the mainstream historical narrative as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, be it rough and ready ones inhabiting the Northernmost extremities of the Hellenic world.

It was wrong of FYRoM, a Slavic country to have made claims of inheritance to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonian legacy!

1991, Had FYRoM stood-up onto the world-stage and introduced itself to the International community as a new Slavic country, with Slavic heritage and some Greco-Slavic Byzantine cultural-traditions...the Greeks would have been flattered to the point where they probably would have championed FYRoM's full-integration into the Euro-Atlantics economic and security structures of the EU and NATO, securing FYRoM's future in the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

Had FYRoM introduced itself as a new Slavic country and stipulated they were Macedonians too...on the basis of geography, the Greeks would have accepted them with open arms!

Had FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs proclaimed themselves a Slavic-peoples but Macedonians also...the Greeks would have been elated at having a neighbouring friendly Slavic country bordering it's northern frontier.

Had FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs said: "We are Slavs but Macedonians too" the Greeks would have sat down with them to discuss in a cordial manner, exactly their Macedonian credentials.

FYRoM did none of those things!

Instead, FYRoM showed itself to an anti-Hellenic country, outwardly expressing burning-hatred and rabid-hostility towards the Hellenic Republic and the Greek-Hellenic peoples by belittling their culture and rubbishing their Nationa-history!

Greeks view them as hostiles...similar to how they view the Turks, their traditional Islamic-foe in the region.

FYRoM's hostile anti-Hellenic stance has alienated it's southern-neighbour Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples. Greeks both at home and abroad mistrust FYRoM's intentions in the Haemus, sensitized towards every word they say and every action they take...but worse than this, FYRoM has alienated the International academic community with whom they have a disagreement over the ethnic-Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity!

FYRoM follows a Slavist orientated Makedonist-Ideology which teaches young Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

Stop hack the program!!!