Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

According to FYRoM logic...if South-Slavic people declare themselves Macedonians, they automatically become the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Flawed FYRoM logic, right!

It's not about who you are...It's about what you are! see example below:

Who are You: Macedonian
What are You: South-Slav

The example above is a Fail!

Now see correct example below:

Who are You: Macedonian
What are You: Greek-Hellenic

The example above is a Pass!

Like I said before: It's not Who you are but What you are, right!

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs must learn to respect that!

Who:Macedonian. What:Greek-Hellenic. When:From since Millenia. Why:Same Speech Same genous. How:Natural-Law

Macedonians got to be Greek speaking Hellenic peoples through refined Natural processes...Natural-Law dictates that only Natural things can survive in Natures world.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians...Really ?
How did they do that. Why did they do that. When did they do that. What posessed them to do that. Who told them to do that.

From since 1945, Comrade Tito, the Communist leader of Yugoslavia renamed the Vardar Banovina region of South-Serbia to the “Socialist Republic of Macedonia,” making the new entity the 6th autonomous Republic to be incorporated into the Yugoslav Federation.

From 1945 until 1991, two generations onwards, young South-Slavic children in the republic learn to call themselves Macedonians on the basis, they live in Macedonia and speak Macedonian, which is a South-Slavic language closest to Bulgarian but for the five Serbian letters that were artificially introduced to make it Macedonian.

From 1991 onwards until today, a tacit negation of the ancient-Macedonians Greekness invokes "Makedonism," a doctrine which engulfs all the ideological and political life in the Republic. This negation is now openly expressed and defended there as the historical truth, whilst the ancient-Macedonians Greekness is not objected to by any academic historian in that country.

Slavic-Macedonians, being from Slavic stock and unrelated to the ancient ones, have to deny the ancient-Macedonians Greekness on the basis they would have an identity crisis on their hands otherwise, given that Macedonians, that is the Greek ones, still live there, in the ancient-Kingdom of Northern-Greece. Greco-Macedonians remain proud of their ancestral forebears which included such figures as King Philip of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great!

FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity nourished solely on historical revisionism and pseudo-history shall perish without them and it is perishing now, fading away even as we speak. The sources for those foodstuffs are diminishing, disappearing,
making FYRoM vulnerable to Identity-Change!

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs made the issue of Identity a political issue. For 21 years now, it has been discussed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office. Ofcourse, FYRoM's South-Slavic peoples have the right to self-Identity, it is a right assured through the UN charter but nobody ever envisioned the time when that universal-right would be abused so crudely for political motives.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are South-Slavs on the basis, that is what the terms "Yugo" and "Slav" mean...yet some people there deny they are from Slavic stock, ditching the term "Slav" for the term "Macedonian" and confounding it still by applying the term "ethnic" alonside it.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to self-Identify as "ethnic-Macedonians," do they have the right to do that ?
The answer ofcourse is No! Modern-ethnicity is a very difficult subject to discuss. It could be construed as being a manipulative concept-process. That young Slavic speaking children were taught, nurtured to think of themselves as Macedonians under strict authoritarian conditions, goes a long way in explaining how modern-ethnicity can be manipulated through social-engineering programmes.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are victims of Slavist based manipulations and social-engineering programmes, by-products of a now, outdated expansionist Ideology which could be traced back the Imperial Tzarist era and the advent of the Bulgarian-Exarchate.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs developed ethnic feelings, collective memories and national-pride under Slavist school conditions. Now that they are free from communism and the Yugoslav Federation which accomodated them from since 1945, they want too keep these Identity factors and they also want to express their Macedonian-Identity on the world-stage and at the International level...but for Greek objections.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have to deal with Greek objectionswhich seek to restrict South-Slavic people from using the Macedonian term at the ethnic-racial level and at the cultural-linguistic level, on the basis, Greeks have the right to defend and protect their national-history and cultural-heritage.

So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs self-Identify as ethnic-Macedonianswhen it is known in academic and scholarly circles that Macedonians are Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples. It was their ancestors that exported Hellenism and spread the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the ancient-word.
So FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs self-Identify with a name that belongs in the Greek domain and who's Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Can the UN and the International legislatures accomodate FYRoM's Identity at the International level, knowing full-well and in advance that a Nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism and the Greek-Hellenoc core, has never existed in historical verity.

The answer ofcourse is No! FYRoM's much covetted Macedonian Identity shall always clash and conflict with the Greek one.

Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side, next door to each-other, but if one John Smith decides to usurp the Identity of the other one...that is called Identity theft or in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery!

Welcome to the Name dispute between FYRoM - Greece! 21 years on and still unresolved.

Macedonia:New Balkan Politics - Journal of Politics Issue 6

The disintegration of the Yugoslav Federation placed the historians apart from the successor states before approaching the task of reconsidering the national composition and tendencies of the, until then, dominant common Yugoslav historical “masterpiece” [1] .

In this regard, Macedonia is an exception: the ideology of Yugoslavianism proclaimed in 1952 was here once again subordinated to the one of Macedonianism [2] , when nation-building became at all possible in 1994, when this republic was constituted.

The Yugoslav Communist Party clearly understood that the policy for Macedonianization of the Yugoslav Vardar Macedonia, as well as temporarily of the Bulgarian Pirin Macedonia, promises little success, when there is a parallel policy of Yugoslavization being carried out [3] . Of course, the renunciation of this supranational concept is an insufficient explanation for the success of the project for creating a Macedonian nation, which was conducted from Belgrade.

In 1995, the social anthropologist from the US, Kate S. Brown, tried to examine this success with the help of the “national imagination” in the now independent Macedonia, and, toward this aim, formulated the following leading question:

“In the 1990s, Macedonians speak a language codified in 1946, spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968. They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian. They are descendants from people who were called, and at times called themselves, Serbs or Bulgarians. They have no modern history of independent statehood; the last period that they can claim as boasting a Macedonian regime was in the 11th century.

The Republic of Macedonia, established by consensus authorized by a referendum, has no internationally agreed name [...]. Yet its Slavic inhabitants have no doubt that they are Macedonians, and that the territory they occupy has always been and should always be occupied by Macedonians.

The question that baffles many Western observers is simple: how do these people know who they are?” [4]


Stefan Troebst from Leipzig
[link to www.newbalkanpolitics.org.mk] Historical Politics and Historical “Masterpieces” in Macedonia before and after 1991

Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon...this is what it states and in very clear terms, in all the credible encyclopaedias of the world.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece, very clear and very precise, no confusion here!

Macedonians are the Greeks who's ancestors initiated that campaign to free those ancient-Greek cities under Persian rule.

Macedonians are the Greeks who's ancestors exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture Eastwards to the Orient and beyond...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these Macedonians and they know it!

To be Macedonian, one needs to be Greek in the first place.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place, then FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should learn to respect that fact!

For 21 years FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been under the delusion they are Macedonians...the only Macedonians, with exclusive rights to the ancient-Macedonian legacy. They arbitrarily and erroneously claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor and his legacy for their cultural-heritage.

Deluded, right!

Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Quick hack the program.

Oh boy!!!


Nick you are a master piece of the greek national-chauvinistic pathology.


If only fraction of all shit you wrote on this tread was to be true and based on facts you wouldn't need to write it in first place.
Truth does not need repetition. Only lies need to be repeated over and over again in hope to hide the truth.

That falls under psychiatric category!

Come on Nick. Show to the world once more that Macedonians are greeks.



We Macedonians are worst of them all, right Nickos?


1,5 million Albanians, God knows how many Pakistanis, Afghanistanis, Africans, today walks freely in Greece, but we the Macedonians from Republic of Macedonia, with same religion as you Greeks, with similar traditions, customs, are your worst enemy. Bravo Nickos!

Well, wait 10 to 15 years and then we will talk again.

Your gov. does a hell of a job trying to confront the two nations on every issue possible but does not care a shit if your women gets raped on your beautiful beaches by illegal aliens. Bravo to your government wisdom of making loyal greeks out of Pakistanis, Afghanistanis, Africans etc...

Continue Nickos. You are falling in a trap set by those who wants control by spreading division between nations, deeper and deeper every day.

1...Ok!

2...What is written here in this Thread is for Slavic eyes in general, but more for You guys in particular. The Information listed here, has Informed many Slavic children, pupils and students. Young Slavs are questioning for the very first time whether it is right for a Slavic speaking country to claim Alexander the Great for their ancestor!

3...No lies here, just the Truth, the factual Truth.

4...Ofcourse Macedonians are Greek...Northern-Greeks that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

5...You are Not Macedonian are You! You are a South-Slav.

6...Albanians went a long time ago, they have gone home. The Illegal Aliens, the ones you mentioned are being rounded-up and deported...even as we speak. Given the choice, I would chose neighbours over outsiders-foreigners,
but not the hostile ones.

7...In 10 - 15 years time we shall acknowledge each other by our ethno-cultural names.

8...Today is not a good time to be a foreigner in Greece.

9...Makedonism Ideology in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands. It is the most hostile anti-Hellenic Ideology ever invented because it seeks to alter the demographics of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

Poles apart...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs on the one hand, and Greeks on the other hand. The problem between them is a name dispute in it's 21st year pending resolution.

Greeks contend that Macedonians are Greeks from since the days of King Karanos...for Greeks, the Macedonian name stays in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek-heritage. Northern-Greeks still use that Macedonian-Identity today, in the regional-geographic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs contend, they are Macedonians also, only they go a step further by strategically placing the "ethnic" term along-side the Macedonian one. They call themselves "ethnic-Macedonians" much to the annoyance of the Greeks.

The International academic community support the Greeks on these main tenets...that the Macedonian name was created from Greek speaking Hellenic peoples who's Identity was attested to in other peoples histories.

Global politicians versed in the complexities of diplomacy
and International relations cannot disagree or go against the findings of scholars and academics who spent their professional carears on the dissemination of classicist Greco-Roman history.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to use the Macedonian-Identity
to describe themselves, they first have to acknowledge that the first users of that Identity were Greek speakers and Hellenic people.

The original-Macedonians were Greeks and they are still here today as Greeks...FYRoM has to contend with these people when they call themselves "ethnic-Macedonians."

For Slavic eyes in general but for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs in particular...this is for You!

Macedonians are the Greeks of Northern-Greece who still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon...only these people have the right to call themselves Macedonians in the authentic sense of the word.

There are Macedonians elsewhere in this world ofcourse...the common attribute between them is that their ancestral forbears at one time or another, in the near or distant past hailed from that place in Northern-Greece.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Go tell the Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans from FYRoM who Rubbish the Greeks and try so hard to alter the demographics of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula by changing Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs.

Slavist Makedonists from FYRoM cannot undo the Past simply by rewriting it!

Only in the darkest crevasses of the sick and twisted minds of FYRoM's Slavist Makedonists do they see Alexander the Great as a Proto-Slavic hero...they call him Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs and they built a gigantic statue of him in the center of Skopje, their capital city, a place he never visited or set foot.

Greeks have to deal with these people...South-Slavic people Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an Ideology so anti-Hellenic it contends that Macedonians were Not Greek speaking Hellenic peoples but rather, they were Slavic speaking South-Slavic peoples such as the ones you find today in modern-day FYRoM.

KKE and the Macedonian issue

After the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, World War I in 1916-1918, and the disastrous Greco–Turkish War of 1919–1922, there were diplomatic approaches from the superpowers of that era regarding the re-drawing of Greek borders, based on Turkey and Bulgaria pressing for more territory to improve trade routes with the British Empire. The ruling parties were simultaneously trying to move parts of Northern Greece (Macedonia and Thrace) to Turkey and Bulgaria, and to win the return of islands in the Aegean and parts of Macedonian territory to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. This policy was reiterated several times throughout the pre-war era.[5][6]

The main impetus for their demand was the ethnic and religious minorities then living inside Greek borders in Northern Greece. KKE opposed any geo-strategic game in the area which would use minorities to start a new imperialistic war in the region. At its Third Party Congress in 1924, KKE announced its policy for the self-determination of minorities, pointing out the minorities in Macedonia.[7] Its policy was dictated by each Marxist-Leninist theory, that stated any minorities should be self-determined under a common Socialist State, and it had its roots in the example of the newly founded Soviet Union.[8]
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In 1924, KKE expressed the official position of the Third International for "independent Macedonia and Thrace". Some members disagreed with this, but it remained the official position of the party and caused expulsions of communists by the Greek state.[9] KKE was seen by many as a party whose policy was "the detachment of large areas of northern Greece". According to Richard Clogg "this was dictated by Comintern and hurt the popularity of Communism at the time".[10]

In 1934, KKE changed its view and expressed its intent to "fight for the national self-determination, under a People's Republic where all nations will found their self-determination and will build the common state of the workers...".[11]

Nikos Zachariadis, General Secretary of the party, officially renounced KKE's policy of secession in 1945.[12] Anti-KKE propaganda up-to-day, added on this quote the will to collaborate for this goal with the Bulgarian organizations of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization and the Thracian Revolutionary Organisation. This is not mentioned on any of KKE official documents. The quote is referenced as KKE's policy for "giving Greek soil to the northern enemies of the country", a fact that can't be crossed referenced with any of KKE referenced literature of that era.

During the civil war (1946–1949), an article written by Nikos Zachariadis expressed the KKE's strategy after the envisioned victory of the Democratic Army of Greece regarding what was then known as the "Macedonian Issue": "The Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples’ republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples’ Republics to which the Greek people will belong. The Macedonian people are today fighting for this independent united state with a coequal position and is helping the DSE with all its soul..."[13] The policy of self-determination for Macedonia within a People's Republic was reiterated during the 5th KKE Central Committee meeting held in January 1949, which declared that the "Macedonian people participating in the liberation struggle would find their full national re-establishment as they want giving their blood for this acquisition ... Macedonian Communists should pay great attentions to foreign chauvinist and counteractive elements that want to break the unity between the Greek and Macedonian people. This will only serve the monarcho-fascists and British imperialism ...”.[14] These statements can be explaned due to the large number of Slavomacedonian fighters (30-50%) amongst the DSE fighters and prompted the government in Athens to begin a campaign against KKE and the party's military wing, the Democratic Army of Greece (DSE), blaming them for secession plans in northern Greece.

In order for KKE to clear up its position on the "Macedonian subject", the 6th Congress of its Central Committee was called a few months later, during which was clearly stated that KKE was fighting for a free Greece and for a common future for Greeks and Macedonians under the same state.[15]

The issue was ended by Central Committee in 1954 with the withdrawal of the position of self-determination of minorities. In 1988, the General Secretary of KKE, Charilaos Florakis, once again presented KKE's political position on the matter in a speech to the Greek Parliament.

I hear KKE are still very active in Greece!


Who knows, maybe some day in future...

Macedonia, is was Greek culture still is, but there is

50/50 culture mix with Slavic people


do not trust history books from

the English because they always insert them self's into places where they do not belong.


Macedonia history books are correct and Greek history is correct

each side, wrote their part of history, for their own area to which they forested

1...Agree!

2...No! Slavic culture in the Haemus has as it's basis a Greek Byzantine Orthodox tradition. It would be more correct to say...Slavic countries Influenced by Byzantium adopted a culture and a way of life which evolved into a unique Greco-Slavic culture based around Greek Orthodox Christendom.

3...Waffle! There is only mainstream history...with differing interpretations. FYRoM's Interpretations are so far-off, outside the boundaries of the mainstream, it is considered pseudo-history unique only to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs.

4...Waffle! Macedonian history is Greek history and visa-versa.

Only hardened propagandists or severley brainwashed Individuals attempt to seperate Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks. De-Hellenizing Macedonians is a core tenet of Makedonism...a doctrine taught only in FYRoM by Slavist revisionist rogue-scholars and pseudo-historians!

Macedonians are Greek...Northern-Greeks from the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Communism was bad for the Slavic peoples, at least in Greek eyes it was. The speed at which the Slavic peoples dropped their much vaunted Christian-Orthodox faith for Atheism, Communist style, earned the Slavic race a reputaion for changing their [beliefs] religion at the drop of a hat.

And Now...The Slavic peoples of the Haemus profess to be all Christian and religious again, after spending almost three generations in Communist Heaven.

I dont know about other Greeks but for me, these are peoples with little scruples...void of ethical decency.

Example is FYRoM where it took the Communists to create for them a Christian Orthodox Church. From 1967, inside the confines of the Yugoslav Federation, Tito sanctioned the creation of a so called "Macedonin Church" to compliment two ealier creations he santioned...(i) The creation of a so called "Macedonian-language" in 1944, and (ii) The creation of a Macedonian Socialist Republic in 1945.

Greeks No like Communism or Communists...that Ideology Killed more Greeks than WWII and saw Slavs, both Serb and Bulgar join forced to invade Greece in order to make it a Communist country.

Slavs settled the byzantine empire from around the 6th century a.d. From that era until now is a time continuum spanning 1,400 years. They (slavs) did not come into the region as macedonians.

The Slavic tribes from that era, with their own unique ethno-cultural tribal names, are known to historian scholars and academics alike...none were called, or called themselves macedonians.

1,400 years of slavic settlement of the byzantine empire does not entitle them to usurp the macedonian name for ethnic-racial use, or for cultural-linguistic use, as these (macedonian) identity factors do not bode well with slavs.

At best, the slavs could identify as regional-geographic macedonians...after the name given by the romans to a more extended and enlarged geographic macedonian region.

Macedonia(n) is regional-geographic identity, not ethnic or racial...or national, or even cultural-linguistic identity. The name belongs in the greek domain and the macedonian-identity belongs to greek heritage.

FYRoM's attempts to usurp the macedonian name for country use, nationalality use and ethnic-racial, cultural linguistic use flies in the face of what is actually known about FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs...that they are from Serbian or Bulgarian stock and cannot possibly be macedonians in the way that they define themselves.

All I know for sure is that he was 100% fag.

In the broader sense, one could say that Macedonians today are those people that live in Macedonia...but Macedonia today is different from the original-Macedonia of antiquity.

Macedonia today has changed both size and shape, today, it is more bigger and more larger than the original-Macedonia...the ancient-kingdom which has always been situated in Northern-Greece.

Today, Macedonians can be Slavs, both Serb and Bulgarian, and Albanian also...Macedonians today can also be Turks too, but who in their right mind can deny that the original-Macedonians were Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples. Who has got the gall or the front to deny that!

Today, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs want to usurp the Macedonian name exclusively for themselves. They want to apply it to their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is known, these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

It takes a brave South-Slavs to proclaim himself a Macedonian at the expense and exclusion of the Greek!

Knowledgable people...scholars and academics know the original-Macedonians to have been a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, and because they still exist today as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples it makes a mockery out of FYRoM's claims to the same!

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists cannot undo the past simply by rewriting it!

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs must learn to respect that!

This is truth

There is Nothing Macedonian in FYRoM...at least Nothing Authentic I mean. Everything there is a facade, to appear genuine legitimate and veritable when in reality it is not.

Take the name of the land: Named Macedonia Secunda-Salutaris by the Romans...when in reality, it is not real or authentic Macedonian-land in regards to Alexander the Greats Kingdom.

Take the name of the people: Named Macedonians by themselves...when in reality, they are Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Take the name of their language: Named Macedonian-language by Slavist philologists from communist era Yugoslavia...when in reality, it is a Serbianized-Bulgarian language, just 5 Serbian letters short from proper Bulgarian-language.

Take the name of their ancestors: Named Macedonians by Slavist pseudo-historians...when in reality, their ancestors self-Identified themselves as full-blooded Bulgarians fighting for the Bulgarian cause.

There is Nothing Authentically Macedonian in FYRoM....everything there is fabricated, veneered to give the outward impression it is Macedonian when in reality it is Not!

Authentic Macedonians are those people that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedonian situated in Northern-Greece...not those people who live outide of it!

Authentic Macedonians are those people that still speak Greek, the Macedonian language of old...not the new Slavic concoction mischieveously named "Macedonian-language" by communist era Slavist philologists for mischieveious Slavic reasons.

Authentic Macedonians are those people that still remain proud of their Greek-Hellenic ancestors, the ones that initiated that campaign to free the ancient-Greek cities from subjugation by the Persian empire...not those people who deny the ancient-Macedonians Greek-Hellenic Identity.

Authentic Macedonians are those people that still remain proud of their Greek-Hellenic roots and ethno-origins...not those people who deny them!

Authentic Macedonians are Greeks, Northern-Greeks...not Southern-Slavs!

Something very Morbid in wanting to take the name of an ancient-peoples in order to apply it to your tribe, in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense knowing full well and in advance that you are causing consternations with the living relatives that still use that name for Identity...Certainly, it is not a natural thing to do, I mean ofcourse to usurp the name of another peoples and then attempt to convince the outside world that you are the one more deserved of that name on the basis it applies to your language and to your country.

Something very Morbid in wanting to rewrite the history and the heritage of another-peoples in order to claim their legacy as yours, knowing full well and in advance that it is a legacy to which you have No real, earthly or natural connections to...Certainly, it is not a natural thing to do,
I mean ofcourse to usurp their name, their history and their heritage on the basis it is a human-right to self-Identify the way you want, the way you feel and the way you see fit.

Something very Morbid in telling the world that you feel Macedonian on the basis, you have developed ethnic-feelings
and collective memories for Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity knowing full well and in advance that those ancient-peoples were a Greek-speaking Hellenic peoples, whilst your ancestors were known to be Slavic-speakers from away lands.

Something very Morbid in wanting to convince the outside world that you are Macedonian on the basis, your language is called Macedonian-language and your country is called Republic of Macedonia, therefore, on this alone, it gives you entitlements and rights to claim the history, the heritage and the legacy of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity when it is known...you are Not one of these!

Something very Morbid...convincing yourself that you connect to ancient-peoples from a different ethnic and racial backround to your own, who's culture, Ideals and core values formed the bedrock and the foundations of Western civilisation.

Something very Morbid about that!

Macedonians are the Greeks who still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece. They are proud Macedonians because they remained loyal to Hellenism, who's language knowledge and culture their ancestros exported to the farthest reaches of the ancient world...Not the Southernmost Slavs of FYRoM who live on ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands but call it Macedonian lands on the basis of some latin-Roman era Maps which if scrutinized properly, named the place where FYRoM is right now to Macedonia Secunda Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia, the beneficial, the added-on part which they adjuncted to real Macedonia the Romans called Macedonia-Prima, meaning the first and foremost Macedonia.

Clearly, at best, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are just Secondary-Macedonians...not Authentic but the next best thing to real Macedonians!

FYRoM's pseudo-historical revisionism attempts to make South-Slavs real and authentic Macedonians when the reality of it is much much different.

FYRoM is Paeonia and Dardania in ancient-geography terms, Not Macedonia at all...that place, the real and authentic
ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is still in Northern Greece where the Macedonians live.

FYRoM's Slavist propagandists attempted to blur the distinction between Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks but in doing so, they turned the Greeks against them, they alienated the whole Hellenic Nation and it's global diasporas against them.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are who they say they are...then we would expect to be hearing them speaking the Greek-language and watching them priding themselves on their Millenia-old Hellenic heritage, but we see none of these things, we do not witness these Identity factors from them, instead we hear them speaking a Slavic-language concocted from Serbian and Bulgarian and watch them priding themselves on usurping the Macedonian-name exclusively for their self-Identity, country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity, the whole package.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are who they say they are, original authentic-Macedonians...then they should show it by speaking the same language Alexander the Great spoke when he went on that campaign to free those Greek Cities in the East that found themselves under Persial rule.
If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are who they say they are, modern descendants of the ancient-Macedonians...then they should show their pride in Hellenism, that Hellenic culture Alexander the Great exported to the farthestmost points of the eastern world.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were who they said they were, that would make them Greek, Greek-speakers and Hellenic-peoples, but they are not one of these...they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock with a deep-rooted hatred for Hellenism and all things Greek.

Greeks consider FYRoM the country, a hostile country, and the Serbo-Bulgarian peoples there as hostiles!

Greeks keep them at arms length, at a distance...and so does the International community, until the Slavic peoples there learn to respect more the demographic history of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since Millenia.

Authentic-Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs!

Get a real job, loser!

Stop shiting propaganda!

Shameless, absolutely Shameless!

1...In fact, I have Two real jobs!

2...Propaganda: FYRoM was cautioned and disciplined when it was found using State sponsored [genetic] propaganda rigging the results of a genetic test where the one singular supposedly Greek sample was placed in with the African cluster, to give the impression that modern-Greeks had African [genes] Dna...Genetic tests who's results could not be duplicated or repeated in other European labs.

Propaganda: FYRoM was cautioned and discoplined when it was found using the Institutions of State to spread pseudo-historical propaganda about the Rosetta Stone middle text inscriptions being the long lost language of the Slavic speaking proto-Macedonians from antiquity.


Propaganda: FYRoM was cautioned and disciplined when it was found airing a Nationally Televized programme showing God speaking to the FYRoM public, explaing to them, they are the Makedonoid...the progenitors of the White race!

Propaganda: Shall I continue......

Applying the Macedonian name to a South-Slavic language concocted from Serbian and Bulgarian does not a Macedonian make!

Applying the Macedonian name to the Vardar-region of South-Serbia does not a Macedonian make!

Applying the Macedonian name for self-Identity, in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense
does not a Macedonian make!

Applying these Macedonian Identity factors to Slavic speakers from Serbian and Bulgarian stock does not a Macedonian make.

Macedonians are Greeks...Northern-Greeks. Greeks that still live inside the boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon situtuated in Northern Greece, these are the real authentic-Macedonians.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs apply the Macedonian name to (i) themselves, (ii) their new Slavic country, (iii) their nationality, (iv) their language, (v) their ethnicity, as if by labelling these Identity factors "Macedonian" you automatically become one, a bona-fide Macedonian with ancestral-rights and historic-rights to Alexander the Great's legacy.

Recorded history can track and pinpoint exactly, the date when Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia changed the name of FYRoM's language from Bulgarian to Macedonian.

Recorded history can track and pinpoint exactly, the date when Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia changed the name of Serbias southern region from Vardar-Banovina to Macedonia.

Recorded history can track and pinpoint, with some degree of accuracy, the start of Makedonism...an expansionist based Slavist Ideology which envisioned Slavdom expanding southwards to Northern-Greece and then onwards to the Aegean coast for naval access to the Aegean sea and beyond.

From 1878, with the establishment of the Bulgarian-Exarchate
we have watched various attempts by Slavdom to take Macedonian-lands away from the Greeks.

From the Imperialist-Tzarist era to the Pan-Slavic era, and from that era to the Bolshevik-Communist era, and from that era to the modern era with Capitalism and the free-market era. The constant has always remained the same...to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, by stealth or by military means, or as we have witnessed today, using Western rights and freedoms with some effect to misuse-impose the right of self-determination to inappropriately name a South-Slavic peoples "Macedonians" on the basis, they have the right to name themselves how they feel and how they see fit, at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks.

Applying the Macedonian name to South-Slavs does not make them authentic-Macedonians...

...authentic-Macedonians are the Greeks of Northern-Greece that still live inside the boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, proud Greeks who have remained loyal to Hellenism.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity did not develop through natural processes but through the will and determination of those Slavists that demanded it...evidenced damningly by it's absence before the advent of the Bulgarian Exarchate during the last decades of the 19th Century. Before this juncture, the development of a Macedonian-Identity amongst the Southernmost Slavs of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula never crossed the boundaries of geography where Slavic speakers Identified as such in this context, within the framework of the greater Slavic Milieu.

That Slavic Nations in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula are named after their primordial tribal forebears...only two Nations there show their inconsistancies in this regard, where (i) Bulgaria the country, gets it's name from an old-Turkic Tribe, and (ii) FYRoM the country, gets it's name from an ancient-Hellenic Tribe. Both Bulgaria and FYRoM share similar if not the same language, and both peoples are the nearest Slavic speakers to the Greek world where both peoples shared the same geographic space north of Greece.

That the Imperialist Tzarist-Russians resurrected a modern Slavic Nation in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula under an old-Turkic Tribal name...ostensibly to legitimize the oldest known Slavic presence there, does not bode well for Slavdom
having to trace their history back to proto-Bulgar peoples,
peoples that were known to have been outwardly different, both ethnically and racially to the Slavic Tribes. The Bulgar name basically restricts Slavdom from claiming a presence there in the Haemus before the 6th Century A.D.

FYRoM has inconsistancy problems with it's name also, in terms of both race and ethnicity and in terms of historical presence in the Haemus. FYRoM's self-imposed name can be traced back to a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples where the Macedonians were known to have inhabited the northern extremities of the Greek world, their King, Alexander the Great exported Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language knowledge and culture to the farthest points eastwards to the then known ancient-world.

Slavs using the Greek [Macedonia] name to Identity with is similar to Slavs using the Turkic [Bulgar] name to Identity with. Bulgaria today is a Slavic speaking country, who's history stipulates...the proto-Bulgars Slavicized themselves over a period of 8 generations or 200 years, so that by the 9th Century A.D. Bulgarians were speaking the language of the Masses and had developed a literary tradition based on the Cyrilic alphabet. FYRoM today is a Slavic speaking country similar to Bulgaria, their history is similar to the Bulgarian one but for the pseudo-historical nonsense taught in the schools colleges and universities there.

Proto [Turkic] Bulgar people Slavicized themselves to become what they are today...a modern Slavic Nation and country in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have to decide if they did the same thing...did Greek speaking Hellenic Macedonians Slavicise themselves to become what FYRoM is today ???

Ask ten different people in FYRoM where their ethno-origins lay and there is a high probability you shall hear ten different answers...such is the confusion there over the ethnic and racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the disparate peoples there. The reasons for this are many, not least, the Bulgarian-camp vies and competes against the Serbian-camp which vies and competes with the Makedonist-camp for the hearts and minds of the country's simple-hearted, simple-minded peoples.

1...The Bulgarian-camp in the country tells them they are Bulgarians...evidenced in the language they speak and the similarities in folklore culture and traditions.

2...The Serbian-camp in the country tells them they are Southern-Serbs and different from Bulgarians...evidenced in the Serbism's found in their language and the similarities in folklore culture and traditions.

3...The Makedonist-camp in the country tells them they are neither Serb nor Bulgarian but Macedonian...evidenced in the name of their language and the name of their country, which can be traced back to 1944 and 1945 respectively in communist-era Yugoslavia, but this is not expounded upon for fear questions shall be asked about Identity issues there before those dates.

There is another force inside FYRoM which is neither Serb in flavour, Bulgarian in flavour or Makedonist in flavour, and that is the Hellenist-camp in the country. The Hellenist-camp keeps a stealthy distance from the rest,
coordinating a Hellenic course for the country...evidenced in the street names there, where ancient-Greek names in there number adorn streets boulevards and highways, but more evidence of the Hellenization process can be found in the street architecture where gigantic statues of ancient-Greek Kings and hero's stand on plinths 22 meters high at the center of Skopje.

FYRoM, Identity wise, is spoilt for choice or getting torn apart due to the torment of it...I mean, having to chose between Serbian-characteristics, Bulgarian-characteristics and Greek characteristics. The Makedonist-camp there attempts to incorporate all three characteristics into one singular and unique Makedonci-Identity but the results are not good nor pleasing to the eye.

In FYRoM today, one can witness ancient-Hellenic things standing next door to medievil-Slavic things, and this comes across as a mismatch, the type of mismatch you get when one attempts to mix and match several elements at once in order to get an aesthetically pleasing result, but ends-up looking Vulgar and unplanned for...This is where FYRoM has ended-up, looking Vulgar and pleasing nobody!

FYRoM's Macedonian Identity rests on the twin pillars of Language Name and Country Name...take these away, I mean, knock these pillars down and FYRoM has nothing else to base their Identity on.

Language Name and Country Name...Two Identity factors FYRoM bases it's Identity on, and both were sanctioned in 1944 and 1945 respectively by a South-Slavic Croatian Communist going by the name of Marshall Tito.

The language name is properly called Serbo-Bulgarian and the country name...Vardar-Banovina for those in the know!

FYRoM's Macedonian Identity is based on the will and determination of the Slavists that demanded it. The peoples there would happily revert back to their Serbian and Bulgarian roots and ethno-origins given the choice and the opportunity.

Language name and country name...it is these two factors which enable FYRoM to complete the jigsaw...where country name begets nationality and language begets ethnicity.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs base their ethnicity on the name of their language which came into existence for the very first time in 1945.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs base their nationality on the name of their country which came into existence for the very first time in 1945.

Country Name - Nationality Name - Language Name - Ethnicity Name!

The Identity Jigsaw above completes when the country name is determined and the language name is determined. Both of them were determined by the sheer will and determination of the Slavists in the old-Yugoslavia that demanded it!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs would happily revert back to their Serbian and Bulgarian roots given the choice and the opportunity...it has already started to happen, evidenced in the >70k Bulgarian Passports that have been applied for and issued to the people there. Bulgarians in FYRoM Identity themselves as Bulgarians and the Serbians there do the same. The Makedonci notation was only ever used for geographic conveniance by both Serbs and Bulgarians, but Slavist-Makedonists in FYRoM demand them ditching the Serb and Bulgarian Identity factors for just the Macedonian one.

In FYRoM, Serbs Identify this way: I am Serb from Makedonija, which equates to Serb from the geographic region of Macedonia, but Slavist-Makedonists there want them to ditch the Serb Identity factor.

In FYRoM, Bulgars Identify this way: I am Bulgar from MAKEDONHR, which equates to Bulgar from the geographic region of Macedonia, but Slavist-Makedonists there want them to ditch the Bulgar Identity factor.

Makedonism Ideology in FYRoM is dangerous...it seeks to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks.

Authentic-Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece. The latin-Romans used that regional-tribal name to extend and enlarge an administrative district, but they made the distinction between the two...Macedonia-Prima denoted the real and authentic ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, whilst Macedonia Secunda Salutaris, denoted the extended, added-on parts which just used the name for administrative purposes.

FYRoM is not real Macedonia and the people there are not real Macedonians...the land FYRoM sits on is actually ancient-Paeonian land in the South and ancient-Dardanian land in the North, whilst the people there are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Everything in FYRoM is fabricated...from the name of the peoples to the name of the land, and it is all reflected in the way they present themselves and their ethno-genesis story.

In FYRoM, they teach their children pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...this is Makedonism, a Slavist based
expansionist Ideology. Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands, it demands Serbians and Bulgarians to ditch their ages-old ethno-tribal names for the Macedonian name, a name known to belong in the Greek domain, to a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Nobody has tried harder to alter the demographic consistency
of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula than the Slavists of FYRoM.
They have worked tirelessly to change the ethno-cultural Identity of Macedonians from ethnic-Greeks to ethnic-Slavs without regret or an incline of shame. They have used state sponsored proaganda against Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples whilst they continue to use institutions of state to [brainwash] educate their own children on Makedonism. In FYRoM, state apparatus is used in the same manner as it was under Communism, strictly controlled, to keep the people there Ignorant and Ill-informed about their own ethnic and racial, cultural and linguistic origins.

The neighbours know them as Slavs. Demographers know them as Slavs. Ethnogenists know them as Slavs. Linguists know them as Slavs. Slavs know them as Slavs...we are talking about FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs ofcourse, the newly emergent peoples who only recently entered onto the world stage wanting to name themselves Macedonians and their country Macedonia, even though in antiquity, the Macedonians were known to be a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM has presented Europe and the world a problem, never before witnessed in the recorded history of mankind. Here we have a clash between anthropologists and historians on the one side, and a conflict between ethnogenists and archaelogists on the other side. The question academics are asking in this: How can FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country consolidate a much covetted Macedonian-Identity with a Slavic heritage and backround.

It's a hard question to answer, especially at these scholarly and academic disciplines: (i) anthropology, (ii) archaelogy, (iii) history, (iv) ethnogeny, (v) philology and (vi) linguistics. In fact, at every single academic discipline known to man and science, the Macedonians are attributed with a Greek-Hellenic Identity.

It's hard then, to take FYRoM seriously when they tell the world they are Macedonians, the modern descendents of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. But as if this was not bad enough, they confound it still by claiming an ethnic-racial connection and a cultural-linguistic connection to them, when it is all but given, known at all the academic levels that these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

Yes they are Slavs, on the basis Slavdom recognizes FYRoM as a Slavic country. Foolish then, for some in that country to deny that they are Slavs, in speech and in genous. It is known at the highest echelons of diplomatic office that in every Census-report, Population-statistics, Demographic-data and ethnology-records ever undertaken, actioned under the auspices of the Great Powers during the numerous upheavals witnessed in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were listed as Slavs, from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Spectacular failure on FYRoM's behalf, I mean, to attempt to persuade the outside world to take them seriously, when serious people [[academics][politicians]] know them as Slavs
and know Macedonians to be a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples who's ancestors spread Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic
language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known ancient-world.

When FYRoM's Slavist orientated rogue-scholars, pseudo-historians ans specialist propagandists Rubbished the history and heritage of the Greeks...they also Rubbished the West and by extension, Western Civilization, on the basis, the bedrock, cornerstone and foundations of it are based on those Hellenic Ideals and core values the ancient-Macedonians exported eastwards to the orient and beyond.

Spectacular failure on FYRoM's behalf, to have taken-on, not just the Greeks but the international academic community, scholars that spent their professional carears disseminating Greco-Roman classicist history in the most prestigious learning instutions of the Western-world.

No amount of persuasion can convince the international community to recognize FYRoM as a Nation of Macedonians with ethnic-racial roots and cultural-linguistic connections to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. This is the harsh reality of it!

FYRoM's much vaunted Macedonian-Identity shall have to reflect in real and factual terms, that it is distanced both in geographic terms and racial terms from the Greek-Identity of those Greek speaking Hellenic peoples that still live inside the boundaries of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, in Northern-Greece.