Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been bred for purpose...sounds cruel but it's true. What country on earth but FYRoM teaches it's young children pupils and students to hate Greeks and Hellenism. What country but FYRoM teaches it's youth to belittle Hellenism and it's contributions to world history. What country teaches it's young people deny the very existence of Greeks, teaching their young people, todays Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks, Greeks in just in name but not in substance.

It upsets me to hear FYRoM's young South-Slavic children talk about Greeks in the way they have been tuitioned conditioned and manipulated. It upsets me so much I have compiled a list of well known Slavic people from Greek heritage...see here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Queen Alexandria of Yugoslavia was Greek.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia was partially Greek from his mothers side.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Katherine, Crown Princess of Yugoslavia was Greek.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Helena Palaiologina of the Morea was a Byzantine despotess of Serbia, as the wife of Despot Lazar Brankovic, who ruled from 1456 until his death in 1458. Together they had three daughters.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Maria Palaiologina, Queen of Serbia was the Queen consort of Stephen Uros III Decanski of Serbia (1324–1331). She was the daughter of pan-hypersebastos John Palaiologos, and niece of Emperor Andronikos II Palaiologos (r. 1282–1328). Her maternal grandfather was megas logothetes Theodore Metochites.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Dimitrios Dimitriou: sometimes spelled Dimitrije Demeter or Dimitrije Demetar; 21 July 1811 – 24 June 1872) was a Greek-Croatian poet and dramatist.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Alexey Venetsianov was a Russian painter, renowned for his paintings devoted to peasant life and ordinary people. Alexey Venetsianov was born into a merchant family of Greek descent in Moscow.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Yolanda of Poland was the daughter of King Bela IV of Hungary and Maria Laskarina. She was the sister of Saint Margaret of Hungary and Saint Kinga (Cunegunda). One of her paternal aunts was the great Franciscan saint, Elizabeth of Hungary.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Imrich Barta was a famous Slovak painter and architect of Greek ancestry (possible Peloponnesian).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Grigory Ivanovich Rossolimo was a Russian neurologist who was a native of Odessa.(He was of Greek origin; his grandfather had gone sailing from Cefalonia as a young man, been shipwrecked, and washed up near Odessa, where he remained.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Maria of Bulgaria was the wife of protovestiarios Andronikos Doukas and mother of Irene Doukaina.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Cometopuli dynasty was the last royal dynasty in the First Bulgarian Empire, ruling from ca. 976 until the fall of Bulgaria under Byzantine rule in 1018.[1] The most notable member of the dynasty, tsar Samuel.

[link to familypedia.wikia.com] The deposed current Royal House of Bulgaria, contrary to common misconceptions, and despite of the country having spent half a millennium under the Ottoman Empire, descends from earlier monarchs of Bulgaria, both the First Bulgarian Empire and the Second Bulgarian Empire. Scholars have traced several bloodlines in ancestry of tsar Ferdinand I of Bulgaria (1861-1948) and his wife Marie Louise of Bourbon-Parma (1870-99), progenitors of the present royal family. The main pedigree (below) has been presented by genealogists to show sort of a continuous line through various Bulgarian states and to highlight the dynasty of their successors.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] Evangelos Zappas was a Greek patriot, philanthropist and businessman who spent most of his life in Romania. Romania is not a Slavic country but a friendly neighbour country.
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For those South-Slavs who know very little about Greeks and next to nothing about themselves, I mean, who they are and from whence they really come from!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs appear committed to affirming their existence as a unique peoples with a unique history, unique culture, and Identity, and of gaining recognition of this fact internationally. When asserting their ethno-specific
Identity...they insist, it has nothing to do with Serbians, Bulgarians or Greeks. They also reject the Idea of any hyphenated names such as Slav-Macedonians or Greek-Macedonians, claiming they are "divisive labels" indicative of segregationist like mentality that needs to be overcome. They argue, there are no Slav-Macedonians, like there are no Slav-Russians, Slav-Poles or Slav-Serbs. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs insist they are ethnic and racial Macedonians, the only Macedonians that can claim the legacy of Alexander the Great, contrary to the overwhelming stock-piles of evidence which places them into the Slavic collective of peoples in general, and the Bulgarian one in particular.

Greeks argue...because the language spoken in antiquity by the ancient-Macedonians was the Hellenic-language, the Slavic-language spoken in FYRoM by ex-Yugoslavs cannot possibly be called "Macedonian-language." Greek sources generally refer to it as "the linguistic idiom of Skopje" and describe it as a Serbianized-Bulgarian language, just 5 Serbian letters short of being proper Bulgarian. Finally, the Greek government denies the existence of a so called ethno-specific Macedonian minority in northern Greece, claiming Macedonians are Greeks, and that Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. Greece does not deny the existence of a small group of "Slavophone-Greeks" or "bilingual-Greeks," that speak Greek in addition to a local Slavic dialect, but they have always had a staunch "Greek-Hellenic national consciousness." Slavophone-Greeks fought hard for the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottoman-Turks and later fought even harder during Balkan Wars I - II to keep Macedonia Greek.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, the overwhelming stock-piles of evidence place them into the Slavic domain, in with the Slavic collective of peoples, making it impossible for them to claim ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...Greeks on the other hand claim all of these things, and they are supported in this regard by world-academia and an abundance of overwhelming evidence to substantiate their claims.

Extremely unlikely, but if a military conflict broke-out today between FYRoM and Greece, how would the historians of today record the event...would it go down in recorded history as a Greco-Slavic War, or as FYRoM would have us believe, a War between Macedonia and Greece. It would go down as a Greco-Slavic War because the combatants would be Greeks on the one side and South-Slavs on the other side.

Extremely unlikely, but if such a hypothetical, Speculative War between FYRoM and Greece were to be recorded in the FYRoM preffered way, as a War between Macedonia and Greece...how would the details of it compare to previous Wars recorded in the annals of our common European history book.

That Greeks fought other Greeks during antiquity is clear, it is there in black and white for us to read in the long established mainstream historical narrative, [link to www.livius.org] We know, that the Corinthian league legitimized Macedonian hegemony over the rest of Hellas. The League of Corinth, also referred to as the Hellenic League, saw the getting together into a federation, several Greek-Hellenic states with intent to form one unitary fighting force. Sparta abstained and did not join the Corinthian League for political reasons. The League was created by King Philip II of Macedon during the winter of 338 BC - 337 BC, after the battle of Chaeronea, he created it with a view to confront the mighty Persian armies in the east. The name 'League of Corinth' was coined by modern historians after the first council of the League in Corinth. It was the first time in recorded history that all the Greek-Hellenic states...with the notable exception of Sparta, managed to become part of one singular-unitary miltary and political entity.

So, in the event of such a fictitious, theoretical and totally speculative War ever breaking out between FYRoM and Greece, would necessitate the events, the place-names, the names of the combatants and the geographical-names to be recorded in such a way as to reflect the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the forces doing the fighting. The readers of those recorded accounts and events would quickly conclude that Greeks were fighting Slavs on the basis highlighted above.

Silly, right! The whole thing is Silly and that Silliness started in FYRoM the day ex-Yugoslavs...South-Slavic people stood-up and told the world they were Macedonians, the modern desendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

History cannot be altered simply by rewriting it. For as long as the Nation state exists, that particular Nations historic-rights must be respected. Greece has recognized historic-rights over the ancient-region of Macedon, and they must be respected. These rights, Greece is having to excercize in lieu of FYRoM's contestations. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs contend that Macedonians were never Greeks but Slavs, who's ancestor Aleksandar Veliki was a great proto-Slavic hero and the first Czar of the Slavs. Greeks get annoyed at South-Slavs when they hear this kind of perverse corruption of a historical narrative that has long been established. From since the 6th Century AD, the Slavs were recorded as having settled the Byzantine empires Imperial territories, and since that time, Macedonian history becomes part of Slavic history. Macedonia gets a permanent settlement of Bulgaro-Slavic peoples who vye and compete with Greek Byzantines for supremacy over the geographic-region. The whole complete history of Macedonia...since the beginning of time, belongs to the Greek speaking Hellenic peoples that have always been there. That the Bulgaro-Slavs
live there also entitles them to excercize their historic rights, but those rights have a clearly recorded, clearly defined starting point. They do not traverse further back than the 6th Century AD. So, to say that Macedonian history belong to Macedonians whatever their origin is missing something

Greeks respect the history and heritage of the Slavs in the greater-Macedonia geographic region of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula. Contrary to the misconception...Greeks do not deny the Slavs of FYRoM their rightful history in their respective part of greater-Macedonia. From the 6th Century AD, Bulgaro-Slavs share common history with Greeks, the native-originals, the Indigenous and autochthonous peoples of the Greek [Haemus] peninsula. To claim a history further back than the 6th Century AD, flies in the face of what we actually know about the Slavic seetlements of the region through the mainstream historical narrative. History cannot be altered to suit or appease FYRoM. History cannot be altered simply be rewriting it.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonist pseudo-historians scripted FYRoM a history and a heritage, so crude and so crass...the International academic community rejected it out-right as being nothing short of revisionist anti-Hellenic propaganda. They alienated a whole Nation of Hellenes and the global Greek diaspora communties. But worse than this, FYRoM alienated a profession of classicist historian scholars who spent their whole professional careas on the dissemination of classical Graeco-Roman history, speacialists in the field. FYRoM's disrespect of their profession lead International scholars and academic alike to cast FYRoM aside. FYRoM is now shoved-up a siding, going nowhere, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks and about themselves, who they are and from whence they really come from.

What they...the South-Slavic peoples of FYRoM don't know about Greeks is actually doing them more harm than good.For example, they cannot see, that the Greek-Hellenic peoples through-out the centuries have been around them, in the Slavic world and beyond for Millenia, whilst their Slavist orientated revisionist psuedo-historians deny the very existence of Greeks. They all died-out, Greeks expired as a race, is what they teach their children pupils and students.
Pathetic right! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs know very little about Greeks and next to nothing about themselves, I mean, who they are and from whence they come from. Education, it's all about education, right!

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs knew what the rest of the world know about Greeks, they would immediately acknowledge that the rights of FYRoM's Slavic speakers to Identify themselves as Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, infringe on the rights of Greeks, because Macedonians are Northern-Greeks Not Southern-Slavs! They would acknowledge that FYRoM's right to an ethno-specific Identity cannot ride roughshod over the rights of Greeks. They would also acknowledge that FYRoM's rights do not supercede the historic-rights of the Hellenic Republic and they would acknowledge also, that Greece has a moral and legal duty, an obligation to defend and protect the Hellenic Republics National-history and cultural-heritage.

Macedonism in FYRoM has been a total disaster...Nobody sees ex-Yugoslavs as Macedonians, as in the Alexander the Great type of Macedonian. Everybody sees them as South-Slavs, belonging to the Slavic collective of peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Nobody equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to the Macedonians of old. Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and FYRoM trying to alter-change that demographic has been a total disaster for them.

Slavist school Indoctrinated FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs into the cruel belief they are descended from ancient Greco-Phrygian peoples that later went by the name of Makedonae. Rather than being taught the truth, that they are descended from Draguvites, a Slavic-tribe that settled onto Imperial Byzantine territories...they are coerced to learn a pseudo-historical account of their ethnic-racial origins.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were never taught or told the truth about Macedonians, that originally, they were a Dorian-Greek tribe from Pieria who called themselves "Makednoi". These Makednoi overran Emathia, where they intermingled with the local Phrygians to become the ancient-Macedonians we have all learned so much about through the mainstream historical narrative.

[link to upload.wikimedia.org] So who were these Draguvites? They were ofcourse, FYRoM's original ancestors. One of the first Slavic-tribes to settle onto Greco-Roman soil. They were later joined by other Slavic-tribes like the Sagudates, the Velegesites, the Rynchines and the Bersites. These are FYRoM's Slavic ancestors, their true forebears. Whether this tribal collective posed any real threat to the Romioi is debatable. The general consensus is that they were unthreatening and friendly towards the Greco-Romans. The Draguvites found themselves occupying regions of Macedonia buffering Byzantium from the more aggressive Slavic-tribes further North.

It's time for the Slavs of FYRoM to find out more about the Greeks with who'm they have been neighbouring for 1,400 years and more about themselves also, about their true ethnic and racial ancestors...the Draguvites, the closest Slavic tribe to the Greeks for almost a Millenium and a half. They are closer to Greeks than their Slavist school tutors care to mention.

Alexander was Macedonian!!!

Nick tha Greek sucks!!!

I agree!

A: south slav?

Alexander the Great was Macedonian from the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Macedon. Leonidas was a Spartan, from the ancient-Greek Kingdom of Sparta. Both of these peoples were related, they were from Dorian-Greek stock but the Slavs of FYRoM don't know this, they were never told it or taught it, that part of classical-history was not covered in their Slavist-school curriculum. Instead, they were taught that everything Macedonian is theirs and they should stake their claims to it, because it rightfully belongs to them on the basis they are Macedonians. For a lowly educated, simple-minded South-Slav from FYRoM to hear this, to be told that he is Macedonian because he speaks Macedonian and lives in Macedonia is a manipulation to far. The allure of Alexander the Great being Macedonian and Slavic too must sound very appealing and very enticing for the average simple-hearted FYRoM ex-Yugoslav to reject, so he accepts it as truth.

Greeks get annoyed, extremely annoyed when they hear FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs talk the way they do...I mean, rubbish - pervert - corrupt classical-history. They took something good like the classics and converted them into something vulgar.

No amount of education will shift them from where they are today. In their minds, they are Macedonians and nothing can change that. Or can it! Short of putting them through another programme designed de-indoctrinate them, to filter-out all the bad-stuff and then to fill that void with the mainstream historical narrative...I dont see how it can be achieved.

It pains me to hear them claim an ancient-Greek hero like Alexander the Great for their ancestor...it pains me to think that after they have read this, they might claim Leonidas the Spartan for their ancestor also, on the basis, Spartans and Macedonians were related.

Nick how about history let say from 100 years ago. Cut the bs with 2300 years old myths and half legends.

We fought the same enemy together in WW II. We live in region where starting from religion, mentality, food, folklore, you name it, all suppose to bring us together cause all those things are quite similar.

And yet we are "enemies". Continue to listen to your politicians and yes it will be the time in near future when we will see each other trough sniper lenses. But listen the hearts of the people we could live in mutual understanding and peace.

1...100 years ago was 1912, right! This point is important!

2...You guys were never very good with history, ancient or recent...and you jusr proved it. One hendred years ago, Greeks were fighting the Ottoman-Turk to reclaim and bring back Macedonia into Greek hands once more. You guys were fighting who ??? Now WW II, Greeks fought Italians - Germans - Bulgarians, where were You guys!

3...The Byzantine Orthodox culture right! A culture based around Greek-Orthodox Christendom, bringing together those ages-old ways and traditions of both Greeks and Slavs. It fused into one common Greco-Slavic culture which endured in Greek [Haemus] peninsula from since the baptism of the first Slavic tribes into the Greek-Orthodox religion.

4...You guys suddenly showed us your hostility. You teamed-up with the Turk to scheme and plot against Greeks and Hellenism.

5...We No listen to our politicians...they have proved themselves too-weak and too-soft on matters that concern the Greek-Hellenic peoples and on matters relating to National Security.

6...I was touting this message in 2007...that Greeks and Slavs could live in peace, side by side, next door to each-other but you guys turned your backs.

Now we are here at this point...at the brink!

Two reasons why FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country cannot adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian name exclusively.

1...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain.

2...Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

Two fundamental reasons which clash and conflict with FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonism Ideology. Those reasons shall haunt FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs for eternity.

Now lets review: Are they Macedonians...

...Well Yes If they want to be, but only in the geographic sense!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can never be those "exclusive" Macedonians they want to be, like Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense, on the basis, It is a Lie! The Macedonian name is a Greek specific place name, a regional-specific Identity applicable only to Greeks.

Global politicians - World diplomats - Accredited Academics - Reputable Scholars all say the same thing...The Onus is on FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to compromise in order to find a proper more suitable name for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity. The Macedonian name does not bode well with South-Slavs, at least on all of those Identity factors listed above. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs erroneously acquired the Macedonian name by Ideology, nature did not play any part in that acquisition. There is no natural link to connect South-Slavs to the Macedonian name, it simply does not exist. The Slavic tribes did not come into the Greek [Haemus] peninsula as Macedonians, this name was foreign to them, like they were foreign to the Greco-Roman world.

From since the Slavs first settled the Greek peninsula traverses a time contiuum spanning 1,400 years...at which point in time, starting from the 6th Century AD, did the Slavs of FYRoM acquire the Macedonian name ? and when did they start to apply it to themselves in the ethnic and racial sense, and cultural-linguistic sense ?

One need not look back further than the 1860's on the first point...and 1944 - 1945 on the second point!

From since the 6th Century AD until the lead-up and final establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate is when we first get to hear about Slavs wanting to use the Macedonian name for Identity. And from 1944 onwards...we start to hear them using the Macedonian name for their new Socialist Republic Tito the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia set-up for them.

Everybody tells them to give it up and compromize on a new name...a proper more suitable name, one that best describes the peoples there.

The UN - USA - EU - NATO all say the same thing. These world bodies and global Institutions tell FYRoM to compromise in order end the name dispute with Greece.

Greeks cannot permit a South-Slavic peoples to adopt, usurp and then monopolize a totally Greek name for their newly established Slavic country. Greeks cannot permit these people to monopolize a totally Greek name for their country name, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is clear...these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

Nature did not make South-Slavs Macedonians...Slavists did that for them in an unnatural way! FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians by Ideology. Makedonism in FYRoM is dangerous in the wrong hands. Indoctrinating young South-Slavic children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs is a manipulation too far.

The International community recognize that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they purport to be. The world knows them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

From the UN - EU - USA - NATO to Global-politicians and World-diplomats...they all say the same thing. So do professional people like Accredited Academics and Reputable Scholars of Graeco-Roman classical history. The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in order to end the name dispute with Greece.

[link to www.un.org] President Gjorge Ivanov of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia addresses the General Assembly.

27 September 2012...the President of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Gjorge Ivanov, today called for closer cooperation between FYRoM and Greece to resolve the “name” issue between the two country's. Greece maintains
that the Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek-heritage.

Greece is supported by the UN - EU - USA - NATO and the International Acdemic community...they all say the same thing: The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in order to find a proper more suitable name for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity. Lest we forget, Yugoslav denotes Southern-Slav so the Macedonian name does not bode well with the Slavic race.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs got to be Macedonians on the will of those Slavists that demanded it. They became Macedonians by Ideology only.

Everybody sees them as Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock...simple-hearted peoples Indoctrinated on Makedonism, a Slavist based expansionist Ideology that can be traced back to the Tzarist-era resurrection of Bulgaria and the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate.

Slavist school in the old-Yugoslavia taught them the ancient-Greeks expired, they all died-out leaving us no heirs, but the ancient-Macedonians lived to become FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic speakers! Pathetic right!

The more one listens to their diatribe, the more it is decided to keep them at arms length...at a distance!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a danger to themselves and to others in their vicinity...natural born agitators stirrers and troublemakers. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have the uncanny ability to cause friction in the Balkans, a region of the world which has seen more than it's fare share of it.

The world calls them FYRoM...but they are told that 130 countries recognize them as Macedonians, the modern descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Nobody sees them as Macedonians...Everybody sees them as Southern-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock wanting to usurp an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name, for their country, nationality, language and ethnicity
when it is known, all of those Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

I know you mean well brother and i don't agree with repetitive posts either, but your view is not shared by 95% or more of the Greek population mate. Your statement that the minority believes that, is absurd to say the least. The fact that you don't see more Greek flags posting is because we really don't give a flying fuck what a nation with national identity issues say, you can't change facts and history and most Greeks are bored to be dragged in to such a worthless and meaningless non-issue fight. I don't know who your friends or people around you are but what you stated here doesn't represent anyone in Greece in a percentage of at least 95%.

An article written by Nikos Zachariadis expressed the KKE's strategy after the envisioned victory of the Democratic Army of Greece regarding what was then known as the "Macedonian Issue": "The Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples’ republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples’ Republics to which the Greek people will belong. The Macedonian people are today fighting for this independent united state with a coequal position and is helping the DSE with all its soul...."[5] The policy of self-determination for Macedonia within a People's Republic was reiterated during the 5th KKE Central Committee meeting held in January 1949, which declared that the "Macedonian people participating in the liberation struggle would find their full national re-establishment as they want giving their blood for this acquisition... Macedonian Communists should pay great attentions to foreign chauvinist and counteractive elements that want to break the unity between the Greek and Macedonian people. This will only serve the monarcho-fascists and British imperialism....”[6] This statement can be explaned due to the large number of Slavomacedonian fighters (30-50%) amongst the DSE fighters.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


See we wre right there among those who faught for freedom!!!


But I guess theese things are still taboo in your xenophobic "cradle od democracy".

Considering you are 4th generation of greeks in UK, no wonder you are so afraid about greek communist past.

1...You fought for Communism. Freedom is the opposite!

2...The Royalists won over the Communists [1945 - 1949] during the Greek civil war and kept Greece in the Western trajectory. Greek Communists if they won, would have squandered their birthright. They would have awarded Authentic-Macedonia to the Communist Slavic forces for reasons which most Greeks still cannot comprehend. Greece in Communist heaven would have constituted a very small and very insignificant state within Slavdom. It would have been ruled over by Slavs who would have de-Hellenized the Identity of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians in order to make them Slavic. What FYRoM is doing now is a continuation of that policy.

3...My son is 5th generation. He is fond of his Hellenic heritage also, and very eager to protect it. We are few in number here in the UK but very influential. The Communists destroyed Greece, more Greeks died in that War than WWII. Slavs and Communism...what was it about ??? what did it achieve ???

From Communists, You are now Orthodox-Christians and still wanting to destabilize the Hellenic Republic. For as long as external diaspora Greeks exist, Greece shall have a it's defenders and it's protectors...Come Hell or High Water!

Only in the minds of some Southern-Slavs and those arrogant Slavist mind-architects that Idoctrinated them, beleive Macedonians were not Hellenic but Slavic. Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they believe that Alexander the Great was really Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs. They shamelessly omit the term Hellenic and always refer to Slavs as Macedonians. Only in the minds of some hardened propagandists do they believe they can get away with the mass Indoctrination of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs.
Only in FYRoM do they teach their children, pupils and students to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...remember, they never use the term Slav, but always use the term Macedonian to denote the same thing.

Only in FYRoM do they tuition their young people into the belief, todays Greeks are not real Greeks but remnants of Africans - Turks - Vlachs - Albanians and some rogue Slavic elements that converted to Hellenism. They teach their young children to believe in the notion that the ancient-Greeks all died-out, expired, leaving no heirs to inherit their legacy whilst the ancient-Macedonians survived moved North and Morphed into Slavic people who Centuries later, migrated back Southwards to their primordial homelands...an event recorded in history as the Slavic Migrations - Incursion - Invasions of the Eastern-Roman Empire during the last decades of the 6th Century AD.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they see modern-Greeks as the creation of the West, created in order to cheat the Slavic-race from it's true history and heritage in the (Greek) Haemus peninsula. FYRoM's young children pupils and students are taught that Greece was created by the West to halt the Slavic race from expanding Southwards towards to Northern-Aegean coast.

Only in FYRoM do they see themselves as Macedonians...the rest of the world sees them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Nobody equates them to the Macedonians of old...Everybody equates them to Serbo-Bulgarians that have been Indoctrinated to think of themselves as Macedonians.

Only in the minds of some sick and twisted ex-Yugoslavs do they equate themselves to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Only in FYRoM can you see Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs prostrate themselves beneath giant statues of Alexander the Great and King Philip of Macedon in posture of exaltation. Only in FYRoM can you see giant statues of medieval Bulgarian Kings alongside statues of ancient-Greek Kings, as if to give the impression their is kinship between the two. Only in FYRoM do they confuse Greek things with Bulgarian things.

Nowhere but in FYRoM do they resent ridicule and humiliate Greeks and Hellenism with a passion. Bred for purpose and kept that way by a Slavist based Ideology which seeks to make Macedonians out of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs.

Now is the time for the Greeks to insist on an apology...for the twenty odd years FYRoM has spent Rubbishing them and their history.

Alexander the Great was not a Slav. How the hell did this get so many posts ?

There are no reasons left, to justify the continuation of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece. The main tenets of the problem...that (i) The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage are adhered to, endorsed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office and supported by scholars who are reputed to be the best in the field. With backing such as this, Greece is seen Internationally to be holding the moral and academic higher ground. For FYRoM to continue with it's persistence to be recognized after a Greek-Hellenic name, is doing the country more harm than good at the International level. For FYRoM to insist that they have right to the Macedonian name based on an equilibrium with Greece, is not shared outside of FYRoM itself. Greeces historic rights to that name supersede those of FYRoM.

That FYRoM has right to national self-Identity is not in dispute. The right to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian name for ethnic and racial use, and for cultural linguistic use is in dispute.

By maintaining, that (i) The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domian and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage, Greece is seen to be holding on to the moral and academic higher ground. There are no global-politicians or world diplomats that would willingly stray from those tenets, just as there are no professional academics or reputable scholars of Graeco-Roman history that would do the same.

FYRoM is in a political-quagmire of it's own making...to continue with it's insistence on being recognized as a nation of Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense goes against what is actually known about them...it flies in the face of what the world knows about South-Slavs. And for some in FYRoM to insist that they are not South-Slavs, flies in the face of what Slavdom know about them.

Any which-way FYRoM turns...they cannot justify the want to use the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity when it is known, all of those Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.

There are simply no reasons left for FYRoM to continue with it's persistence, that it has right to the Macedonian name based on an equilibrium with Greece. FYRoM's perceived rights are secondary to those of Greece based purely on national perspectives, without the need to delve too far back into history. Ofcourse, the historic aspect only pushes FYRoM's claims further behind those of Greece.

The message is crystal clear...There are no reasons left, to justify the continuation of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece.

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FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians...I mean, they are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are. Macedonians are the Greeks that stayed loyal to Hellenism, proud to have retained that (Greek) language and that (Hellenic) culture which ultimately connects them back to that civilization and to that campaign their ancestor's initiated to expand (Hellenism) the Greek-Hellenic language, knowledge and culture to the farthestmost regions of the then known world. Real Macedonians preserve Hellenism, in fact, they have always defended and protected the Greek world from outsider attacks incursions and invasions.FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they acquired the Macedonian name, by Ideology not by nature.

Todays Greeks are the Sole and Legal modern representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy which includes Alexander the Great and the ancient Macedonians from antiquity. No other modern peoples in the Greek (Haemus) Peninsula or on this planet are closer to them than todays modern-Greeks...we can trace our history and heritage back, in "backwards-compatible " fashion, consistant to and compatible with the long established mainstream historical record traversing a time continuum spanning Millennia in complete synchronicity with other ancient-peoples written histories. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Not one of these, they acquired the Macedonian name through Indoctrination by the sheer will of some Slavists that demanded it.

FYRoM's written historical narratives are many and they all vary...inconsistant and incompatible when compared to the mainstream historical narrative.

In Europe, we cannot have a situation where one country is teaching a different version of history to their children pupils and students. In Europe, we must all be on the same same page from the same chapter, reading in complete synchronicity from one common European history book. FYRoM teaches the opposite to what is taught in Europe and elswhere and this is unacceptable.

Macedonians are Greeks, they have always been Greeks and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. As long as they exist, FYRoM cannot use their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Common-sense can tell authentic-Macedonian from fabricated one. Apply Common-sense in FYRoM and we resolve the name dispute in an instant and at a stroke.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are blood related to Serbians and Bulgarians...Kith and Kin to both of them. South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

It would be incorrect to name them Macedonians...on the basis, this name is foreign to Slavs and outside the boundaries of their ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations.

It would however, be demographically correct to suggest, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Slavs in transition to forming their own seperate and unique ethno-specific Identity, having been incrementally shifted from and sufficiently seperated from the main Serbo-Bulgarian root from which they stem.

That they are entitled to form their own unique ethno-specific Identity free from outside interferance is not in dispute...what is in dispute is their want to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian one when it is known at every single academic discipline, Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

FYRoM's journey to forming a so called Macedonian-Identity of their own has been clearly mapped, it can be traced back to the 1860's during the lead-up and final establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate sometime during the upheavals from the last decades of the 19th Century AD.

FYRoM's so called Macedonian-Identity exists solely on the sheer will and wishes of those pseudo-historical Slavist mind-architects that demanded it.

The problem for FYRoM is this: History cannot be altered simply by rewriting it! National-Identities are not constructed in this way, using historical revisionsm to fabricate the existence of a Slavic speaking ethnos during classical antiquity is an indulgence and a manipulation too far.

Macedonia today, is a large geographical region located in the Southeastern part of Europe...in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula. The largest portion of Macedonian territory lay in Greece at 51%. It is this part which constitutes the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. The remainder is shared out between FYRoM at 39%, followed by Bulgaria at 9% and lastly Albania, with just 1%. FYRoM - Bulgaria - Albania hold on to greater-Macedonian territory of No Interest to Greece.

It must be stressed, these countries hold on to territories named Macedonia II Salutaris by the latin-Romans. For Greeks, these territories were never part of the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, hence, Greece has no Interest in them.

When Greece fought the Ottoman Empire during the Balkan Wars, they fought to eject the Musulman-Turk from Macedonian territory Greeks always considered to be their own primordial-homelands. Greeks fought bravely to return Macedonia back to Greek hands, and they did it. Greeks were successful in ridding the Turk from Greek-Macedonian soil.
Greeks returned Macedonia back, by conquest, ejecting the Mehmetin Oriental Musulman-Turk from Greek-Hellenic soil.

Greek-Macedonia is where the ancient-Macedonians lived, a Greek speaking Hellenic region by all historic accounts.

Today there is a population there exceeding some 2.5 Million Greeks, and is a quarter of Greece’s territory. Macedonia for the Greeks constitutes a large part of their territory and an even larger part of their history. Modern-Greeks have images of ancient-Macedonians scratched into their collective conciousness. For Greeks, Macedonians form an important intrinsic and integral part of Hellenisms ethno-genic collective. From Cypriot-Islanders in the East to Ionian-Islanders in the West, all Greeks in mind body and soul. From Creten-Islanders in the South to Macedonian mainlanders in the North, all Greeks in mind body and soul.

Can FYRoM Really Rubbish This!

For those who still don't know...FYRoM was never part of Alexander the Greats Kingdom. The Macedonian name they covet so much was extended outwards by the latin-Romans to cover over Paeonian and Dardanian lands Centuries after Alexanders death. FYRoM sits on those lands. There is Nothing of real Macedonia there.

There are no moral-reasons or ethical-justifications for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be wanting to stake a claim on a Greek-Hellenic name when Paeonia suits them better. And if they No like the Paeonian name, they could always opt for the Dardanian one...for these names are available for immediate use, on the basis, no modern peoples use them for Identity purposes.

The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain...ask any accredited Philologist - Linguist.

The Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...ask any accredited classicist-historian - archaelogists.

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used correctly, it is used to describe Greeks - Northern-Greeks that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

For FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to be wanting to describe themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense, and in the cultural-linguistic sense comes across as wanting to exercise an indulgence, solely for the provocation factor and the aggravation factor, just to rile the Greeks for the entertainment value. Those who do it, do it to attract attention...attention-seekers with some theatrical skills to back-up their claims.

All of those theatrical stunts that FYRoM ever pulled to prove themselves Macedonians just backfired badly...Nobody sees them as Macedonian. Everybody sees them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

Macedonians have always been Greeks...It's time for FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to learn this basic and simple truth!

With all the facts taken into consideration, FYRoM's claims to a Macedonian Identity rooted in classical antiquity have proven to be false...untrue! So where does it leave FYRoM now ?

It leaves FYRoM in a dark place...shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, not given a second look.

The good-will of the West FYRoM took advantage of. By abusing the right to self-determin as a nation of Macedonians, FYRoM pushed the West to consider balancing the relationship between historical-facts being pitted against Western rights and freedoms.

That America under the Bush administration wanted FYRoM integrated as quickly as possible into the West's most prestigious economic and security structures of the EU and NATO...It proved impossible on the basis, Greece disapproved of FYRoM's choice of name. FYRoM opted to go for the Macedonian name to describe their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity, a name which the Greeks consider to be uniquely their own.

Some Western politicians were willing to turn their backs on Greece in order to appease FYRoM, not from historical academic perspectives but from the political expedience aspect. Academic correctness gave way to political correctness and FYRoM was given the time of day but only for a short while, until professional historian scholars stood-up to confront the politicians, to show them that political expediency cannot and must not be allowed to ride roughshod over long established mainstream history facts.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] From since the day classicist historian scholars put pen to paper in support of the Greek positions over the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece...global politicians and world diplomats dare not make decisions that go against the findings and teachings of World-Academia.

Nobody gives FYRoM a second look anymore...FYRoM is where it has always been, in a dark place for quite some time now, shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks but moreso about themselves, who they really are and from whence they really come from.

As far as global politicians are concerned, Macedonians are Greeks...and as far as Academia is concerned, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are exactly what it says on the tin, South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock.

For how long can FYRoM continue with it's silliness, with the pretence...that Serbo-Bulgarians are Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense and in the cultural-linguistic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are very gullible people...simple-minded and simple-hearted peoples that were bred for purpose to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, or Slavic speakers. They tend to believe in things which for educated peoples would seem impossible. It is an indulgence, nothing more than this, for FYRoM to chase exclusively, the Macedonian name and the Identity that goes with it, when it is known at all of the academic disciplines, the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

FYRoM made the mistake of delegating it's foreign policy towards it's diasporas in the West but FYRoM's diasporas being split and disenfranchised from their respective Balkan communities were left to wallow in their own nostalgia...for years they were saying anti-Hellenic things and doing things, often misrepresenting FYRoM the country.

Now FYRoM is paying the price for that indulgence, indulging in diaspora driven foreign policies...policies which ultimately led to the complete alienation of Greece, the Greek-Hellenic peoples and the global Greek diasporas.

FYRoM now finds itself isolated and alone...shunted-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance from the EU and NATO, the Euro-Atlantic structures it said it had always aspired to join.

Gullible you say?!!


Eh more Nick! You can talk as much as you like from UK. Have you ever been to my country? If not, it is you who is gullible.

Nick, this war of words is futile. WE are never gonna accept different name from MACEDONIA. Never! We will achieve international recognition as Macedonians, or will die trying.


So please continue your charade! It's just like a snowfall in July!