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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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It's not just about the Macedonian name...The name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is essentially an argument about heritage more than anything else. Arguments about National Identity in the milleiu-mix of the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula are essentially flawed considering the populations there have been together in close proximity for quite some time.

Greeks maintain that their heritage is rooted back to the Byzantines. Byzantines traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes. The Hellenes traced their heritage back to the proto-Greek Mycenaeans. In this three tier heritage configuration, todays Greeks claim ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity with impressive documentation to prove their case.

Greeks maintain that FYRoM's heritage can only be traced back to Communism. FYRoM has Communist heritage. To go back further would only reveal FYRoM's Bulgarian past. This ofcourse, is where it starts to get wishy-washy because FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs deny anything to do with Bulgarians, they insist, they are Macedonians with ancient roots.

It is both a paradox and an anomaly, that in today's modern and complicated world, one may be found carrying a type of Blood and Dna that does not properly reflect or bode-well with ones current ethnic-feelings or National-pride. For example: FYRoM's South-Slavs are closer to Greeks in temperament morphology and in many other ways, than to say Russian Slavs or Polish Slavs. To say they are Slavicised Indigenous peoples from the Haemus peninsula resonates. It could be that they carry the same native Blood and Dna as the Greeks, but they speak a foreign non-native language and follow an anti-Hellenic path.

FYRoM's Identity cannot be the same as the one that exists in Greece...regional-geographic Identities cannot be serreptitiously transformed into ethnic and racial ones and then erroneously applied to to a peoples espousing a different heritage. Heritage is something Inherited by legal descent or succession. Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern-representatives of the ancient-Hellenic legacy, the legal-custodians of Hellenisms cultural Inheritance.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt - usurp - monopolize an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name. Why ?

Because we value our heritage...right!
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Gullible you say?!!


Eh more Nick! You can talk as much as you like from UK. Have you ever been to my country? If not, it is you who is gullible.

Nick, this war of words is futile. WE are never gonna accept different name from MACEDONIA. Never! We will achieve international recognition as Macedonians, or will die trying.


So please continue your charade! It's just like a snowfall in July!
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Only gullible people believe Alexander the Great was Aleksandar Veliki...the first Czar of the Slavs.

You can call yourself Macedonian...I do not have a problem with that but distinguish yourself from the Macedonians that still live in the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

Real Macedonia is in Greece this is a fact. No educated person, not even a Slavic one could consolidate the requests of FYRoM with what is factually known about Macedonians.

What I am saying is this: This is as close as it gets to reality without the need to attach modern populations to ancient Identies. The Macedonian name does belong in the Greek domain, whether Greeks exist or not, and Macedonian-Identity does belong to Greek heritage, it can only be applicable to the peoples of today who legally represent the Greeks.
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From the Ionian Islands in the West to Cyprus in the East, and from Crete in the South to Macedonia in the North...here you are in Greek cultural waters and Hellenic linguistic space, it has been this way from since Millenniums into the past.

If some free spirited, unaffiliated Individuals decided to enter into that space in order to make it their home, I mean, they decided freely to settle there to lay down some roots...how long I wonder, would it take for them to assimilate, to take-in, absorbe and incorporate as their own, the language, customs, culture and traditions in order to become one with the native originals peoples, the Indigenous autochthonous peoples of the land. The answer we know to be 8 generations or around 2 Centuries. The precedent was set by the original-Bulgar tribes who morphed into fully fledged Slavs at around the 9th Century AD.

Peoples in close proximity to the Greeks adopted their dominant-language and resiliant-culture out of choice, freely and willingly. The Greek (Haemus) peninsula absorbed numerous NoN-Greek peoples into their fold that ultimately learned to walk like Greeks and talk like Greeks.

It's Ironic that most of that Hellenizing thing was done by the Macedonians. It was the Macedonians that Hellenized the Thracians and the Paeonians. Paeonia is where FYRoM is situated geographically right now. It could be, probably more likely, that FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the Slavicized remnants of the once Hellenized-Paeonians.

It's Ironic...that Macedonians Hellenized their ancestors during antiquity, whilst the Bulgarians Slavicized them much later during the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic migrations, incursions, invasions then final settlement of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula sometime around the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

If FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are serious in wanting to sift and search for their ancient-roots in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, they can find those roots in Paeonia. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are more Paeonian than Macedonian...geographically speaking at least!

Macedonians are Greeks...they have never been detached from Hellenism and that is a recorded fact!
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It used to be, many many moons ago, that Macedonians were a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...today however, Macedonians can be Slavic speakers also. Slavs, namely some Bulgarians and some ex-Yugoslavs can lay claim to Macedonian-Identity on the basis of geography. The lands on which they reside were once under Roman rule and carried the Macedonian-name for administrative purposes. The latin-Romans applied the Macedonian-name in subsidiariness, to serve a wider, more-enlarged and more-extended Macedonian-region in order to compliment and aggrandize the much smaller ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, which they distinguished by using the term Prima-Macedonia. The added-on parts the Romans called Macedonia II Salutaris, meaning Secondary-Macedonia, or beneficial-Macedonia, to symbolize and signify it's status.

It must be stressed...The Slavs of the region invoked, revived and bought back to life, the use of the Macedonian-name in 1945 during Communist rule. Marshall Tito, the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia, resurrected the name then applied it to a brand-new South-Slavic Republic he Christened "Socialist Republic of Macedonia." Tito took this action to compliment a decision he made a year earlier in 1944, when he commissioned the creation of a brand-new South-Slavic language he Christened "Macedonian" language.
It must be stressed...Before 1944, the Slavs of the region described their land as Vardar Banovina or just plain South-Serbia...they never used the Macedonian-name to describe the land.

It must be stressed...The Slavs of the region bacame Macedonians linguistically, in 1944, and Macedonians geographically, in 1945.

It must also be stressed that Marshall Tito, the Communist Coatian dictator of Yugoslavia not only Christened their brand-new South-Slavic language to Macedonian-language, and their brand-new South-Slavic country to Socialist Republic of Macedonia...he also created a Church for them. In 1967 he commissioned the world's first atheist Communist inspired Christian-Orthodox Chruch, which he Christened to Macedonian Orthodox Church.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs owe Marshall Tito their very existence! If not for him, they would still be considered Bulgarians in both speech and in genous...and Southern-Serbs by land.

How did we get here! How did it get to this stage...when we see that gullible, simple-minded, simple-hearted South-Slavs have been manipulated and coerced into thinking of themselves as Macedonians, and into thinking of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs on the basis they have learned to call their new language Macedonian, and their new country Macedonia, therefore, they must be bona-fide Macedonians...is an indulgence and a manipulation too far.
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From the river Iber in the West, to the river Evros in the East, that space in between is a Greek concept...Evropi!

Europe without Greeks in it is not Europe at all but a place where Celto-Germanic peoples dwell in the West and an assortment of peoples dwell in the East. Evropi, goes where the Greeks take it, the word-term, I mean.

Europe today, owes it's cultural development-enlightenment to the Greeks and the Romans...Hellenics and Latins, a Southern-European Mediterenean-peoples, who's Greco-Roman civilization, a refinement of a much earlier Hellenic one, became the culture of choice for the disparate peoples that settled and replenished Europe much later.

Hellenics and Latins evolved and went on to develop into Greco-Romans. Their empire ceased to exist in the Western part of Europe at September 4th 476 AD, but it continued in the Eastern part of Europe until 1453 AD.

Those Greek speaking Romans and those Latin speaking Romans are represented today by the modern-peoples of Greece and Italy.

Here, It must be stressed that only one of those peoples has legitimacy over the legacy of the Roman Empire. Only the Greeks can trace their heritage back to those Greco-Roman Byzantines in wholly consistant and "backwards-compatible" fashion.

Todays Greeks are the sole and legal modern representatives of the Byzantine Empire...the cultural-custodians of Byzantium's legacy. No other modern-peoples on this planet can boast what the Greeks boast.

Europe today gets it's cultural nourishment and sustenance from Athens and Rome. Greeks and Romans set the foundations for a civilization that has endured into the modern-age.

When the Celto-Germanic peoples of Western Europe look back at themselves to find common synergy, they get to a hero-figure called Karalos (Charlemagne) Magnos, or Charles I, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire 800–814 AD. Like the example above...only one of them claims legitimacy over the legacy of the Holy Roman Empire. In this context, one can feel the friction which so evidently exists between todays modern Hellenic entity and it's Germanic equivalent.

Can the Slavs of FYRoM even contemplate what is going on here...I mean, their argument with Greece over the use of the Macedonian name and Identity. Is it even taken seriously in Europe. I doubt it!
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Everybody knows, Greece is home to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, where Alexander the Great was born.

Everybody knows, the name of the Kingdom was used by the latin-Romans to rename Paeonian-lands and Dardanian-lands.

Everybody knows, FYRoM sits on those lands today. So, in a region shared by so many, how can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claim to be the only "Macedonians" around, living in the only "Macedonia," when the region today straddles over more than one country. How can those claims be taken seriously.

As for human rights - having the freedom to choose any name one wants for self-Identity purposes, based on feelings or the way one sees fit is really not true. Rather, it is considered an abuse to invoke those rights when it is known that a particular name is already in use, and the name choice itself implies heritage rights.

When Greece is home to 51% of geographic-Macedonia, and this 51% is where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon lay...this fact alone puts FYRoM's silliness into perspective. FYRoM is actually home to 39% of geographic-Macedonia which in ancient geographic terms, was not Macedonia at all but Paeonia and Dardania.

In demographic terms, geographic-Macedonia is home to approximately 5 Million souls, more than 2.5 Millions are Greek, the largest ethnic group in the region. FYRoM is home to approximately 1.2 Million souls.

It must be stressed...FYRoM holds just over 1/3 of geographic-Macedonia and home to 1.2 Million souls who give their allegiance to it, out of a total population of more than 5 Millions. With figures such as these, FYRoM loses credibility in the eyes of the world, having absolute-zero legitimacy in laying claims to another peoples name, land and Identity.

It must be stressed...Macedonia has always been home to Greek speaking Hellenic people and Macedonians have never been detached from Hellenism. These are recorded historical facts.

It must be stressed...Macedonian-Identity is used as regional-Identity by more than 5 Million Greeks that still actually live in real and proper Macedonia, and not the extended geographical region!
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Historically speaking, “Macedonia” referred to an ancient Hellenic region, not to a Nationality. Geographically, Macedonia today lies within Northern Greece, just as it did in ancient times.

Unbeknown to the Slavs of FYRoM...The original Macedonians, claimed descent from the Heracleides, Greeks from the start and the very beginning.

Unbeknown to the average FYRoM guy...his ancestors, the Slavs, did not arrive in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula until the 6th Century AD, almost a Millennia after the death of Alexander the Great.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are just now learning, that their country actually sits on ancient-Paeonian lands and ancient-Dardanian lands, Not ancient-Macedonian land.

They are just now learning, that until 1944, FYRoM was actually called "Vardarska Banovina," the southernmost part of Serbia.

All silliness aside...I do agree, that everyone has the right of self-determination, to Identify themselves the way they want or see fit, but what happens when the name they want is already in use.

A newly established country like FYRoM, cannot be allowed to adopt - usurp - monopolize a name which has been in use and associated with one of its neighbours from since antiquity.
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Greece cannot possibly recognize FYRoM as an Independent Nation of Macedonians, on the basis, there has never existed an Independent Macedonian state outside of Hellenism. Through Greek eyes, FYRoM is seen as an artificial creation, an invention of comrade Tito, the Croatian dictator of Yugoslavia, who, in an effort to bolster potential territorial claims against Greece, baptized a milieu of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs with the Greek-Hellenic name "Macedonians." The Greek position contends that since Alexander the Great was the Greek King of Macedon and becaiuse the ancient-Macedonians were essentially a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...only Greeks have right to their legacy on the basis, the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greeks. Even if fragmented, those chain links join modern-Greeks to ancient-Greeks in a line of ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic continuity in a manner which no other modern peoples can boast. It is the Greeks who can boast head seating position at the heirarchy table, only Greeks have the principal-right to Identify themselves as Macedonians, not the Slavs of FYRoM.

Ultimately, the Greeks are realists, Greeks recognize that the only possible solution to the FYRoM - Greece conflict is one that takes into account and recognizes both peoples' rights to the Macedonian-name and Identity, but from a hierarchical perspective...there can be two kinds of Macedonians, Macedonians who are Greeks and Macedonians who are not Greeks. Macedonians who are not Greeks having the right to Identify themselves as Macedonians on the basis of geography, and not through injudicious or wrongly percieved ethnic-racial, cultural or linguistic perspectives.
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The Socialist Republic of Macedonia...created in 1945 and populated in the main by an assortment of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, blood related, kith and kin to bona-fide proper Serbians and Bulgarians. Their language was the closest Slavic language to Bulgarian before 1944, and it remained the closest after 1944 even after it was Serbianized. Slavist philologists ceded it with just 5 Serbian letters and then renamed to Macedonian-language in the autumn of 1944. Slavist schools in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia taught young Serbo-Bulgarian children to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs or Slavic speakers. They were taught to think of Alexander the Great as Aleksandar Veliki the first Czar of the Slavs, forcing the Greeks to defend and protect their historic rights and cultural heritage.

Greeks are presently engaged in a name dispute with FYRoM involving the latters nascent Identity which they insist is Macedonian and rooted in classical antiquity, contrary to the overwhelming evidence. The conflict forces Greece to suffer the indignation of having to entertain FYRoM's competing claim to a single-Identity. Macedonia(n) denotes an ancient and archaic geographic-Identity, a regional-tribal Greek Identity used in the Hellenic world from since Millennia. Greeks have to live next to these brainwashed and Indoctrinated South-Slavic peoples who were taught in the Slavist schools of the old-Yugoslavia to hate Greeks and Hellenism. Extremist Makedonists in FYRoM concerned with demonstrating the continuity between ancient and modern Macedonians, deny that they are Slavs and claim to be the direct descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, contrary to the overwhelming evidence.
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Create a Macedonian country peopled by NoN-Greeks and you automatically create a Nation of South-Slavs wanting to excercise their self-determination right to Identify themselves as Macedonians...ethnically, racially, culturally and linguistically. This is what Greece is faced with if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a Macedonian Nation made-up of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs and you automatically take-away a very important self-determination right of Northern-Greeks wanting to Identify themselves as Macedonians in the regional and geographic sense. The Macedonia(n) name and Identity has been in use in the Hellenic world stretching back Millenniums. This is what Northern-Greeks have to contend with if FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are granted Macedonian status.

Create a Macedonian entity outside of Hellenism and you automatically become an enemy of it. I mean, you would become an enemy of the Hellenes, for Greeks would take offense and blame you for creating something unnatural, something that was never meant to be. This is what FYRoM's sponsors - supporters - backers are faced with, if they get to be successful in bringing their creation to the fore of political legitimacy.

Create a Macedonian Nation peopled by NoN-Greeks and you automatically create an internal problem for Greece...a problem which has the potential to destabilize the Hellenic Republic into civil war. This is what Greece may have to deal with, if FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters get their way. This is what the UN, USA, EU and NATO may have to contend with if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a NoN-Greek Macedonian country, then make it home to an assortment mosaic of peoples made-up of Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, Turks, Albanians and Others, then award those disparate peoples Macedonian National-rights, ethnic and racial rights, and cultural-linguistic rights, and you automatically create at a stroke, their respective alter-ego minorities...in Turkey, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece, with rights to call themselves Macedonians. This is what awaites us if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

Create a NoN-Greek Macedonian Nation and you automatically force Greece to recognize Serbo-Bulgarian Slavic peoples as Macedonians, with seemingly higher rights, above and beyond the rights of Greeks to the Macedonian name and Identity. This is what is in store for Greeks if FYRoM is granted Macedonian status.

To FYRoM's sponsors - backers - supporters, I say this:

There has never existed in historical verity, a Nation of Macedonians outside of Hellenism...to create one now, peopled by NoN-Greeks is mischieveous and anathema for Greeks. Greeks would readily take-up arms to defend and protect their historic-rights and cultural-heritage. The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage. Macedonians are Greek, they have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom.

Who has got the bottle, the gall or the front to Rubbish This!
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Because Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, modern-Greeks claim the closest possible connections to them on the basis of fraternal ties, ethnic-racial ties and cultural-linguistic ties, not least, historic ties.

Greeks, therefore, have sole and legal right to Identify themselves as Macedonians, more right than the Slavs of southern Yugoslavia, who settled the Macedonian region at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Identified themselves as "Bulgarians" right up until 1944, but when they had their Bulgarian-language "Serbianized" then renamed Macedonian-language by a Croatian South-Slav going by the name Jozep Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of Yugoslavia, and when he created for them, a Socialist Macedonian Republic from a South-Serbian province in 1945, they started to call themselves Macedonians.

Because the language spoken in antiquity by the ancient- Macedonians was a Hellenic language, the Slavic language spoken by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot possibly be called "Macedonian-language" on the basis, it is both problematic and confusing...not least to the children, pupils and students of that country, who have been raised to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs, or Slavic speakers.

It begs the question:

Why in 1944, did those Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia, go to all that bother, to Serbianize then rename to "Macedonian" a western-dialect of the Bulgarian-language...Why ? I mean, Why did they do that ???

It begs another question:

Why in 1945, did those same Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia, go to all that bother, to rename the Vardar-Banovina province of South-Serbia to Socialist Republic of Macedonia...Why ? I mean, Why did they do that ???

What was it they had in mind, wanting to make Macedonians out of Serbian and Bulgarian South-Slavs...

...ask any Greek, they will tell you!
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Awarding FYRoM's South-Slavic peoples Macedonian-Identity, will do a major injustice to the Macedonians of Greek heritage who form the majority. More than 3.5 million Macedonians world-wide Identify with Greek National-Identity and Macedonian regional-cultural Identity. These are the authentic-Macedonians and they do have the right to defend, protect and preserve their historic cultural Hellenic-Identity.

Awarding FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Macedonian-Identity, empowers them to monopolise the terms "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" exclusively at the International level, thus eradicating at a stroke, the rights of more than 3.5 million Macedonians worldwide, the use of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal, Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity.

Awarding FYRoM's disparate populace Macedonian-Identity, gives free-license to a minority over the majority. Their numbers constitute just 25% of the total demographic population of the greater-Macedonian geographic-region.

Awarding FYRoM's Serbo-Bulgarians Macedonian-Identity, qualifies them, a minority, to impose hierarchical supremacy over the majority, thus rendering the Greek-Hellenic peoples ages-old Macedonian cultural-Identity null and void.

Awarding FYRoM's Slavic speaking South-Slavs Macedonian-Identity, entitles them to claim exclusive ownership of the terms "Macedonia" and "Macedonian" at the Internationl level, thus distancing those terms from Hellenism and their Hellenic primordial base.

To those who work tirelessly to award a NoN-Greek peoples a Greek-Hellenic Identity, I say this:

Greeks have the appetite to engage You...Fiercely! to spoil your vision to bring to life a NoN-Greek Macedonian entity at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks!
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For the benefit of those who still don't know...Macedonia is the name of the Hellenic Republics northernmost province.
It is the actual homeland of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, and the birthplace of Alexander the Great. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon today, is entirely within Greek-Hellenic borders and constitutes a large part of present day Greece. Macedonians, both past and present have always been Greek, and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom.

FYRoM's self-proclaimed "Macedonians" are nothing of the sort, they are South-Slavic peoples, with no real lineage or connections to the land or the peoples of Macedon.

Furthermore, these people called their current homeland Vardarska and Pirin, right-up until the start of the cold war, when under the orders of Marshall Tito and Comrade Stalin, the southernmost part of Yugoslavia got renamed to "Socialist Republic of Macedonia" for expansionist reasons. Slavdoms intentions were to take Macedonia away from the Greeks and occupy Northern Greek territory for the USSR, the then Soviet Union. Former United States Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, Jr., now prophetic words recorded for posterity said, "talk of a Macedonian-Nation is unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality" and "a cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece".

It was known about then, during WWII and afterwards, during the complete cycle of the Greek civil war which ended in 1949, that Slavdoms mind-architects had eyes for Northern-Greek territory to take Macedonia away from the Greeks, but for Greek objections. More Greeks died during the civil war years than through WWII years, testament to the resolve of the Greek Royalists who fought and died to keep Macedonia Greek.

Some of our Western partners and European cousins appear to have short memories...but Greeks No forget the damage Slavic-Communism inflicted on the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM's want to take the Macedonian name away from the Greeks is just a continuation of those failed previous attempts to do the same, only this time, the Slavs of FYRoM seemingly have some Western sympathies and support for their cause, much to the annoyance of the Greeks.
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When something belongs to you, and then it is taken away from you under dubious or whatever circumstances, that feeling is huge because you lost something, your loss and nobody elses. For example: The loss of a child, or the abduction of a child. Like when a child is taken away from you under dubious or whatever circumstance...that feeling is huge because you lost something precious, your loss and nobody elses.

Jannissaries...This term is used to describe the taking of Greek Christian-Orthodox children by the Ottoman-Turks who raised and converted them into fanatic Musulmen front-line Turks. In all Greco-Turkish wars, the Greeks had to kill their own children first to get to that eastern-oriental, asiatic, Musulman-Turk. These feelings nobody endured but the Greeks.

Like those eastern-oriental, asiatic, Musulman-Turks took away thousands of Greek children in order to raise them as fierce anti-Greeks, for front-line fodder against their own kith and kin blood-relatives, the Slavs did the same, when during the Greek civil war 1946 - 1949, thousands of Greek children were abducted by the combined efforts of some Serbo-Bulgarian Communist forces. Greek children were taken-away to the eastern-block Communist countries to be raised as fierce anti-Greeks, front-line fodder for future wars against Greece.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are the progeny of those abducted Greek born children...they are now third generation fierce anti-Greeks bred for purpose, to hate Greeks and Hellenism.
To have your name taken-away under dubious or whatever circumstance can be likened to having your child taken away, or your woman taken away on the basis your adversary derives great pleasure in watching your pain. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs take great pleasure in watching Greeks squirm at their antics. When they erect a giant statue of an ancient-Greek hero for example, or rename an ages-old Slavic place-name with an ancient-Greek one...all of these actions are done purely to rile the Greeks, to watch them squirm and writhe with discomfort watching their history and heritage get rubbished by a peoples bred for purpose.

The Macedonian-name belongs to the Greeks. Greek ownership over the Macedonian-name is best depicted and Illustrated in just two simple words...Theme-Macedonia. The Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...Nobody can Rubbish This!
Awarding FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs a Greek-Hellenic name would be the icing on the cake for those Slavists, who for ages schemed and plotted to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.
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To say that a regions history may belong to more than one peoples, especially when that region is the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, would be a true statement to make.

The Macedonian geographic-region today straddles over more than one country. All the peoples living there have right to share in the regions natural history and heritage. All of them though, in common, should recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms, the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the peoples who made that history.

All the countries touched by the Macedonian-name should, in common, recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms that the Macedonian-name belongs in the Greek (Hellenic) domain whilst Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage, irrespective of whether Greeks exist today or don't exist.

Greeks exist ofcourse. Todays Greeks can prove that only they can boast the closest possible connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...Greeks have competition though. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs vie and compete with the Greeks in that they tell us, they feel like genuine Macedonians, descended from the noble tribe of Alexander the Great. The key issue here is cultural-heritage, own the Macedonian-name and one inherits the legacy by default.

If FYRoM was awarded the Macedonian-name by virtue of International recognition, that action would implicate that the peoples there become bona-fide Macedonians, with legal entitlements to own the rights to the cultural-heritage bequeathed to the region by the original Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples of ancient-Macedon.

Greeks get annoyed that the International community affords FYRoM such attention. Greeks see themselves as the sole and legal, cultural and ethnic descendants of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs contention that they feel like Macedonians also, has caused the matter of self-determination to become an inflamed issue which has reached the highest echelons of diplomatic office, involving the UN, EU, USA, NATO and the International Academic community. The question everybody is asking is...why do the Slavs of FYRoM want to call themselves Macedonians. Ethnically and linguistically they are South-Slavs with close racial-ties to the Bulgarians.

It must be stressed...The term, Macedonia, acquired a geographic meaning rather than an ethnic meaning during the latin-Roman era when they established the province of Macedonia II Salutaris. The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon the Romans kept it Greek, seperate and distinct.

All the peoples inhabiting the Greek (Haemus) peninsula have right to share in the peninsulas history and heritage. All of them though, in common, must recognize and acknowledge in no uncertain terms, the ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic Identity of the ancient-peoples who bequeathed them that history and cultural-heritage. All of the countries except one, contest the Greekness of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...FYRoM vies and competes with Greece over Macedonian issues, not least, who has the highest ultimate right to the Macedonian-name.

Have the name - get the legacy for free. FYRoM fights for this. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs sincerely believe that their aim is entirely noble honourable and achievable, in spite of the overwhelming evidence.
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Hi there;
Nick the Geek
Greetings from the Slavic people ;-)




To the strongest!

After being asked, by his generals on his deathbed, who was to succeed him. It has been speculated that his voice may have been indistinct and that he may have said "Krateros" (the name of one of his generals), but Krateros was not around, and the others may have chosen to hear "Kratistos" — the strongest. As quoted in The Mask of Jove: a history of Graeco-Roman civilization from the death of Alexander to the death of Constantine (1966) by Stringfellow Barr, p. 6
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Hi there;
Nick the Geek
Greetings from the Slavic people ;-)




To the strongest!

After being asked, by his generals on his deathbed, who was to succeed him. It has been speculated that his voice may have been indistinct and that he may have said "Krateros" (the name of one of his generals), but Krateros was not around, and the others may have chosen to hear "Kratistos" — the strongest. As quoted in The Mask of Jove: a history of Graeco-Roman civilization from the death of Alexander to the death of Constantine (1966) by Stringfellow Barr, p. 6
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Hi there Slav dude...greetings to you!

Nice presentation of Slavic power...you must be proud.

Now tell me Slav dude...why is there one amongst you who claims Alexander the Great for Slavdom as the first Czar of the Slavs.

Should the Greeks sit back and watch them ridicule and humiliate Hellenism...or should the Greeks do what is right,
I mean, defend and protect what is theirs by inheritance, their historic-rights and cultural-heritage.

Power to the Slavic Peoples!

Long Live Hellas...Long Live the Greek-Hellenic Peoples!
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Macedonia is a cultural and historical region of modern day Greece. The ancient territory of Macedonia, including the most important historical sites are found there, in Northern Greece. There is only one authentic-Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon...and that place is entirely within the Hellenic Republics boundaries. Greeks have always existed in the region. History can verify and corroborate the continuous presence of Greeks in the region from ancient, medeival and modern times.

Even before Alexander I, Macedonians traced their ancestry to Argos. Macedonian kings used the head of Herakles...the quintessential Greek hero on their monetary coinage.

Euripides...the poet and playwrite, died and was buried in Macedonia. He wrote the play Archelaos, in honor of the great-uncle of Alexander, in the Greek-Hellenic language. Whilst in Macedonia, Euripides wrote the Bacchai, again in the Greek-Hellenic language and played it to sell-out Macedonian audiences.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic people.

Can FYRoM really Rubbish This!
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The Idea that language is what defines a nation is proven false in the modern-age. Language though, if not the main ethnic-Identifying factor, then certainly, it must be one of them, along with culture, religion and traditions.

Language can be viewed as the catalyst that binds the thread of commonality from shared cultural-linguistic Identity factors. Without common-language to demonstrate ones pride in the sharing of past and present experiances, ethnic and racial ties, along with cultural-linguistic ones would be very difficult to explain.

So how can a peoples claiming to be the descendents of Alexander the Great, speak a different language to the one he spoke and still call it Macedonian-language.

The peoples of FYRoM are nice people, simple-hearted peoples, but they are governed by some wily and unethical, unscrupulous and very manipulative politicians. FYRoM's destiny is in their hands.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated wily politicians are determined to adopt - usurp - monopolize the Macedonian-name for their country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity in order to apply these Identity factors to Slavic speaking South-Slavs.

Macedonia is bigger than FYRoM. A part can never define the whole!

FYRoM sits on 38% of geographic-Macedonia...named that way by the latin-Romans, under Roman rule. There is nothing of real Macedonia there in FYRoM, it just carries the name Macedonia II Salutaris which means Second-Macedonia or Beneficial, added-on Macedonia. The real and authentic original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon, the Romans kept Greek, seperate and distinct.

A 38% stake in geographic-Macedonian territory does not empower FYRoM with exclusive rights to adopt the name, usurp the history or monopolize the heritage - legacy of Macedonia. The Greek government has proposed a composite name, a name with a geographic preposition such as Northern-Macedonia for example.

The Onus is on FYRoM to compromize in the as yet unresolved, still ongoing name dispute between FYRoM and Greece. So say the UN - EU - USA - NATO and World-Academia.
The average FYRoM guy is no more simple, or gullible as the average European guy. FYRoM's wily, unethical, unscrupulous and very manipulative politicians can no longer convince their own children - pupils - students to believe in the notion that their inappropriately misnamed Macedonian-language was the same language as the one spoken by Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. It is these people, the sole and legal cultural custodians of the ancient-Macedonian legacy FYRoM has to contend with.
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To suggest that the ancient-Macedonians were Slavic, or just Slavic speakers is going some...quite frankly, it is a suggestion too far. A name is a source of Identity so adopt the name, get the Identity for free, this is how the Slavist mind works in FYRoM, but how could they manage to get it this wrong. A name is a source of Identity, the Macedonian-name ofcourse, has been in use in the Hellenic world for Millenniums, it is only applicable to Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, a racial group, peoples of the same speech and of the same genous, an ethnic and racial, cultural-linguistic entity. How did FYRoM's Slavist mind-architects get it this wrong, I mean, to adopt a foreign name for themselves, a Greek-Hellenic name their race, their genetic make-up, their ancestry have no earthly link or historical connections too.

How did the Slavs of FYRoM come-up with the Idea to (i) name themselves Macedonians, (ii) to name their language Macedonian, and (iii) to name their country Macedonia when it is known at the demographic level they are South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. Their language is a hybrid-concoction, a mixture of Serbian and Bulgarian more properly called Serbo-Bulgarian but inappropriately misnamed Macedonian-language. Their country in ancient-geographic terms was never Macedonia but Paeonia in the south and Dardania in the north, their Slavist school teachers did know that small historical detail until it was pointed out to them by reputable academics and scholars of classicist Graeco-Roman history.

Not one single historian on this planet equates FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Not one single historian claims the ancient-Macedonians were Slavic...so why do FYRoM's South-Slavs stake claim to the legacy of Alexander and the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.
South-Slavs must stop calling themselves Macedonian without clarification. It has to be pointed-out to them that real and authentic Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. These are the sole and legal cultural descendants the legal custodians of Alexander the Greats legacy. These are the Macedonians FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have to contend with.

Long live Hellas...Long live the Greek-Hellenic peoples.
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There is Nothing Macedonian in FYRoM...I mean, FYRoM is not located in the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon but made an extension of it, an add-on the latin-Romans adjuncted to the ancient-region for administration purposes. FYRoM carries the name only courtesy of latin-Roman rule. In fact, FYRoM is located on ancient-Paeonian soil south of Skopje and ancient-Dardanian soil north of it. Like I said, there is Nothing of real Macedonia there.
It must be stressed, Alexander the Great never set foot in Skopje. The authorities in FYRoM erected gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's the peoples there have no real links, earthly connections or historical ties to. The peoples in FYRoM are South-Slavs who's ancestral forebears settled the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

To make matters worse,FYRoM constitutes just over one third of greater-Macedonia, the enlarged and extended region the latin-Romans adjuncted the name for administration purposes. So FYRoM is home to a small part of geographic-Macedonia, covering just 38% of greater-Macedonian teritory. Nothing of real Macedonia is there...just the name. Macedonia II Salutaris is how the Romans named the region, it means, the Second-Macedonia, or the added-on beneficial Macedonia.

It just keeps getting worse for FYRoM. Quite evidently they are not Macedonians, at least not by land. By land they are merely Secondary-Macedonians and by race, they are Slavs from Slavdoms southernmost branch, akin to Serbians, but moreso to Bulgarians. Evidently, by land and by race, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not Macedonians, at least, not in the real or authentic sense of the word.
As if it could not get any worse for FYRoM...even on the linguistic level we find that their language is in fact a Serbo-Bulgarian language. Serbianized (seeded) with just five Serbian letters in the autumn of 1944, FYRoM's Bulgarian language changes name to Macedonian-language courtesy of a Croatian South-Slav going by the name of Josep Broz Tito, the Communist dictator of wartime Yugoslavia.

Greeks are not to blame for exposing Slavdoms cruel, socially engineered exploitations and manipulations of their own children pupils and students. FYRoM's Slavist school indoctrination convinced young Serbo-Bulgarian children they were Macedonians on the basis, they live in a country called Macedonia and speak a language called Macedonian-language but we have proven, that by land, by race and by language, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs struggle to hold on to their indoctrinated belief, they are the sons and daughters of Alexander the Great and his father King Philip, the Macedonians of old, when confronted with the facts.

From the facts above, it becomes overtly noticeable that FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity is actually based on myth and fabrication, a socially-engineered, Ideologically-Inspired, politically-motivated Identity...Initiated on the will of those Slavists that demanded it, to see the greater region of Macedonia come under Slavic Communist control.
It has gone from bad to worse for FYRoM...Nobody gives the country a second look anymore, shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Greeks and Macedonia. But more importantly, it is time now to learn the truth about themselves, who they really are from whence they really come from.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historical region of ancient-Macedon located in Northern-Greece...ask any world diplomat or global politician, or ask academics and scholars alike, they all say the same thing, Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Can FYRoM continue to Rubbish This!
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Macedonia, the extended-enlarged geographic region is much bigger than FYRoM, 62% - 38% respectively. The peoples living there, rightly refer to themselves as Macedonians in the geographic sense...this includes an assortment of peoples most of which are the Greeks, followed by the Slavs of FYRoM, then the Slavs of Bulgaria and lastly, the Albanians, all in that order.

All of the countries of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, recognize the term Macedonia(n) to denote regional-geographic Identity, not ethnic or racial-Identity, and certainly not national-Identity...all of them that is, except for one. FYRoM, the newest country in the peninsula is seeking to establish itself as a nation of Macedonians and touts for recognition on that basis.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs insist they are ethnic and racial Macedonians. They confound the problem by claiming they are cultural-linguistic Macedonians also, much to the annoyance of Greece, followed by Bulgaria, then Serbia, and lastly Albania, all in that order.

FYRoM has problems with all of it's neighbours bar one, Turkey. With Turkey, FYRoM has the best of relations, testament to the closeness between the peoples from both countries.

With Greece, FYRoM is in dispute over the name which Greece insists belongs in the Greek domain. With Bulgaria, FYRoM is in dispute over the racial status of the peoples there, Bulgaria insists they are ethnic-Bulgarians. With Serbia, FYRoM is in dispute over religious matters and affiliations to do with the recognition of the so called (MOC) the Macedonian Orthodox Church, an unrecongnized Church established by Atheist-Communists from the old-Yugoslavia. With Albania, FYRoM is in dispute over the Indigenous or exogenous status of the ethnic-Albanians there.

In the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, everybody sees FYRoM as the newest Slavic country wanting to establish itself there. All of FYRoM's neighbours see them as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock...Nobody sees them as ethnic or racial Macedonians. Nobody sees them as cultural-linguistic Macedonians. Nobody sees them as a nation of Macedonians with roots and connections to the Macedonians of old.

Macedonians are recognized ethnically and racially as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, indigenous to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula. For as long as those autochthonous Macedonians exist, FYRoM is not permitted to use their name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language or ethnicity.
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From Mycaenean Proto-Greeks to Ancient-Greeks, to the latin-Romans, to the Greco-Romans, to the Byzantines...Todays Greeks inherit this heritage in wholly consistant, backwards-compatible fashion.

From the very first-Greeks to the Greeks of today, the Macedonian name and Identity remain integral to them, belonging to this collective and not outside of it.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs claiming to be Macedonians in name and Identity rubbishes this notion and severs the thread of continuity that binds Greeks from across the historical time continuum. For there was never a period of history the Macedonians were not Greeks, if you follow me.

So when did South-Slavs become Macedonians without the Greeks knowing about it?

It can be likened to one finding out that he has numerous long lost relatives he knew nothing about until now, half-brothers and sisters from a different race...but when did this happen ???

The point is, it never happened. The Greek way of seeing it
is not the way FYRoM's South-Slavs see it. They see it much differently.

Macedonians in the FYRoM view were not Greeks or remotely related to Greeks but a different race, akin to Serbians and Bulgarians. Macedonians in the FYRoM view were Proto-Slavs, speaking the Macedonian-language the peoples of FYRoM speak today. Greeks, in the FYRoM view were always the enemy.

Greeks live next to primitive lowly educated peoples, right!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs believe they speak Macedonian, the same language Alexander the Great spoke during antiquity, that is why it is called Macedonian-language. They also believe they live in Macedonia, the same place where Alexander the Great and his father King Philip lived. They believe whole-heartedly that they are Macedonians, on the basis, they feel like Macedonian, they live in Macedonia and they speak the Macedonian-language.

Now who is going to explain to them, the peoples of FYRoM, the error of their view-point.
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Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity were culturally and linguistically Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. They had as much in common with ancient Hellenic Athens as they did with ancient Hellenic Sparta, they were all integral to the Hellenic collective of peoples constituting >230 ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not one of these and they need to be told that, in no uncertain terms.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are, or were told they are. They can never be the Macedonians they want to be, on the basis, they are from a different race...they belong to the Slavic collective of peoples and that is a cultural-linguistic fact.

Macedonians have always been Greek, and Greeks have always lived in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...they belong to the Hellenic collective of peoples and that is a cultural-linguistic fact.

The difference is clear...Macedonians are Greeks from since the times of King Karanus. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are South-Slavs from since the times of the Slavic settlements of the the Eastern-Roman Empire.

FYRoM should revert back to it's pre-Makedonist name of Vardaska-Banovina...This is the original name of FYRoM when it was simply a South-Serbian province. Slavist-Makedonists renamed Vardaska-Banovina province to Socialist Republic of Macedonia in 1945. The government of FYRoM should consider changing the name back to the original Vardaska-Banovina, in order to fasciliate an ending to the long running name dispute between FYRoM and Greece over the proper use of the Macedonian name.

Before 1944, FYRoM's language was simply Bulgarian and before 1945, FYRoM was known simply as Vardaska. The name dispute would end in an instant, at a stroke, if FYRoM reverted back to it's original provincial name of Vardaska-Banovina.

A small tweek can covert an otherwise provincial name to a full-blown country name...The Vardaska Republic is proposed to end the name dispute!
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Here are two fundamentals FYRoM with it's backers sponsors and supporters have to contend with:

1...The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain. The best demonstration of Ownership over that name is best illustrated and depicted in a map of the Byzantine Theme-Macedonia. No explanation required...right!

2...Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage. On the premis, no modern peoples are related to ancient-peoples. This line is one of FYRoM's favourites, that modern-peoples do not relate to ancient-peoples, giving FYRoM the space and the opportunity to claim the Macedonian name and Identity.

Those Two Fundamentals above destroy FYRoM's claims to the Macedonian-name and Identity.

There is only one modern country on this planet that can legitimately claim custodial responsibility for the ancient-Macedonian legacy...Greece, because the Hellenic Republic is recognized Internationally as being the one, sole and legal heir and inheritor of the Byzantine Empire.

Through the Byzantines, the modern-Greeks can trace their heritage back in wholly-consistant, backwards-compatible fashion back to the first Greeks...the Mycaeneans!

The Byzantines traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes, the Hellenes traced their heritage back to those Proto-Greek Mycaeneans. Thus the thread of continuity comes to the fore, be it fragmented, those chain links that bind modern-Greeks to previous generations of Greeks are still discernible.

Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples...I challenge anyone to say otherwise.

Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...not those Serbo-Bulgarian ex-Yugoslavs that still live in FYRoM, a place previously known as Vardaska-Banovina, and before that
as a Villayet of the Ottoman Empire.

Note: The first time the Slavs of FYRoM used the Macedonian name to describe their land on which they reside, was in 1945, when a Croatian South-Slavs going by the name of Jozep Broz Tito renamed Vardarska-Banovina to the Socialist Republic of Macedonia...he did that to compliment a decision he took a year earlier in 1944, when he renamed the Bulgarian-language spoken in the region to Macedonian-language.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they want to be...different race!
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Before 1944 there was No Macedonian-language, and before 1945, there was No country called Macedonia. Both, the country and the language are in-fact, modern-phenomena, contemporary-constructs, constructed quite recently. Both were formed during the latter years of WWII in communist-ruled Yugoslavia. Expansion communist-style being the driving force to bring into existence, two things which never existed before in historical verity.

Macedonia existed ofcourse...but not as a seperate country to Hellas, or even as a standalone self-contained country in it's own right. The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon existed as a Hellenic-Kingdom, populated by Greek speaking Hellenic peoples. Hellenisms Northern-most Greeks stood ready to defend and protect Hellenic borders from babarian attacks, invasions or incursions.

Under latin-Roman rule, Macedonia existed as a much larger, extended region. Paeonia and Dardania were added-on, adjucted to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon distinguished by the term Macedonia II Salutaris, meaning the Second-Macedonia or added-on beneficial Macedonia. The Romans kept the ancient-Kingdom Greek, seperate and distinct reflected in the way they named it Macedonia-Prima.

There was never a country called Macedonia or a language called Macedonian-language...both were invented in 1944 and 1945 respectively by South-Slavs, working to an ages-old agenda to take Macedonia away from the Greeks.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe they speak Macedonian, the language of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...when in reality they actually speak a Serbianized form of Bulgarian, just five Serbian letters short from proper-Bulgarian.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe their country is real and proper Macedonia, when in reality, Alexander the Great never set foot in Skopje.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe they are Macedonians and that Macedonians were a Proto-Slavic peoples, speaking the language the Slavs of FYRoM speak right now...Serbo-Bulgarian.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks...Greeks in name only, not in substance.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs genuinely believe the West created the modern-Greeks in order to cheat the Slavic race from it's real history and heritage in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula.

Greeks live next to primitive lowly educated peoples that were bred for purpose to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Proto-Slavs.
Greeks have to live next to primitive ex-Yugoslavs who have become expert at taunting Greeks and ridiculing Hellenism on a daily basis.

In defense of Hellenism I say, enough is enough...Greeks should not have to endure such primitive, unsophisticated treatment of their race and culture. We shall defend and protect what is ours by birthright...We shall defend and protect Hellenisms cultural heritage Come Hell or High Water!
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Contrary to their wishes, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are still viewed as Serbo-Bulgarian South-Slavs, instead of the Macedonian label they wish to be known by. For 21 years, they have touted the International community to recognize them as ethnic-Macedonians, the Identity they wish to be known by...Internationally!

Contrary to their convictions, FYRoM's immediate neighbours know them only as Serbians or Bulgarians...more the latter than the former. The Macedonian label they wish to apply to themselves is rejected in their own neighbourhood.

Contrary to their misguided belief, the International community know them only as South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. The Macedonian-Identity they wish to be known by, remains Illusive...too ambitious.

There is not one school, college or university outide of FYRoM that teaches Macedonians were South-Slavs or Slavic speaking peoples. History has always depicted and Illustrated Macedonians as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, and this is how the Macedonian name and Identity are assigned...the name is assigned in the Greek domain whilst the Identity is assigned to Greek heritage.

FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda has only served to brainwash the masses. Indoctrinated on Makedonism, the people there think of themselves as Macedonians and think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs...or Slavic speakers.

Contrary to their wishes, convictions and beliefs...FYRoM, from the outside, is still viewed as a South-Slavic country peopled by Slavic speaking South-Slavs from Serbian and Bulgarian stock. This view is not about to change anytime soon.

Contrary to popular belief inside FYRoM, that they have absolute and legitimate right to the Macedonian name and Identity...in reality, they do not!

Human rights and the rights of modern-peoples to self-express or self-determine as they wish or see fit, is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments in favour of the rights of the local existing Indigenous peoples that already use the Macedonia(n) name for self-Identity, in the regional-geographic sense.

The Peoples of FYRoM declaring themselves Macedonians, is both problematic and confusing, Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been using that name for self-Identity from since the days of King Karanus.

Most learned people remain perplexed...they do not understand the reasons or the motive, why a Slavonic peoples would even want to use a Greek-Hellenic name for self-Identity. Why a Slavonic peoples would even want to contemplate the use of a Greek-Hellenic Name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity remains a mystery!
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Alexander the Great was Slav.

Greeks are gay and homos. The biggest greek homo lives in London, he sometimes use godlikeproduction with Nick The Greek nickname. :)

Fuck you greece
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Alexander the Great was Slav.

Greeks are gay and homos. The biggest greek homo lives in London, he sometimes use godlikeproduction with Nick The Greek nickname. :)

Fuck you greece
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FYRoM's staunchest support comes from Turkey. It is said that approximately 4 Million Turks descend from FYRoM Slavic stock...Muslim-Slavs that found there way to Turkey, either by exchange or by seeking refuge.

The Balkan wars witnessed large movements of peoples based on their alotted ethnic-racial, cultural and linguistic affiliations, which were often dictated by religion. Award FYRoM with the Macedonian name and those 4 Million Turko-Slavic Musulmen become Macedonian by default.

FYRoM could expand exponentially in population growth if circumstances favoured such action. The closeness between FYRoM and Turkey transcends religion or ethnogenic affiliations. The Slavic element rises above these divisions and always puts the Slavic cause first.

Turks from Slavic descent are many, more than the 4 Million that we know about from FYRoM Slavic stock. The Bulgarian-Musulman Slavic element in Turkey is also very numerous, to the point where more then 30,000 of them were exported to the Illegal and unrecognized part of Northern-Cyprus, which like FYRoM has problems with the Greek world and Hellenism. The most virulent forms of anti-Hellenic propaganda used by FYRoM are not home grown but rather outsourced, from elements in Northern-Cyprus and Mainland-Turkey.

Award FYRoM the Macedonian name, then make them a country, then a nation of Macedonians, then place them into the EU and NATO...now sit back and reflect at what you have just done!





GLP