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Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

 
Nick the Greek
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I did some research and it turns out, Macedonia is Greek.

Yugoslavia never had a Macedonian country in it until after 1945. Communists simply renamed the province of Vardaska Banovina to Macedonia and made it a Socialist Republic.

Same goes with their language. There was never a language called "Macedonian language" in Yugoslavia until after 1944. The communists created it by mixing the Serbian language with the Bulgarian language and with purpose, named it Macedonian language.

It's a farce when you look at it face on.

When a peoples have been bred for purpose, then unleashed into the outside world to show their hatred for all things Greek and Hellenic, what are the Greeks meant to do ?

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were caged-up in their own Socialist Republic inside the confines of the old-Yugoslavia, Greeks had no incline what lay ahead for them. The disintegration of Yugoslavia unleashed a very noxious hostile country on Greeces northern border, a country peopled by hostile anti-Hellenic South-Slavs the likes of which the Greeks never imagined existed.

It turns-out Yugoslavia was home to the most virulent form
of Greek-hating South-Slavs...evidently, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are lowly-educated peoples without-morals, without-scruples and without-decency.

Greeks have to live next to them. Everyday we have to endure their anti-Hellenic propaganda.

I say: enough is enough!

Greeks are ready now, focused like a lazer beam on FYRoM's Silliness...mobilized and ready to defend and protect their
national-history and cultural-heritage, Come Hell or High Water!
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FYRoM started something Toxic between Greeks and Slavs but is it all their own fault...lets investigate!

22 years ago, there was No animosity between Greeks and Slavs...both peoples appeared happy to be in each-others company.

22 years ago, there was No name-dispute between Greeks and Slavs...both peoples appeared content to be in each-others company.

Lest we forget...22 years ago, there was No FYRoM.

Come 1991 FYRoM declares Independence from a disintegrating Yugoslavia. The West welcome this neophyte fledgling of a country with open arms and make promises to protect the country through it's difficult times, until and as when it becomes established and fully integrated into the fold.

The Balkans in Western eyes was still unchartered teritory for the most of them...getting in there quick to establish new alliances was considered important at the strategic level.

Yugoslavia disintegrated and fragmented - spawning 7 new republics: (i) Slovenia, (ii) Croatia, (iii) Bosnian-Croatian Federation, incorporating the Srpska Republic, (iv) Montenegro, (v) Serbia, (vi) The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, and (vii) Kosovo.

One begat Seven...Yugoslavia expired in order that 7 new entities come into being, placed next door to each-other like a Jig-Saw Puzzle. There is No unity in fragmentation.
Greece is unfortunate enough to share a portion of it's Northern border with one of those 7 new entities, spawned from the break-up of the old-Yugoslavia...FYRoM!

From since FYRoM entered onto the world stage in 1991, it's backers sponsors and supporters sought to establish this new country as a Nation of Macedonians...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. A dirty propaganda was initiated. The Greeks were marked down for character-assassination. The Greek National-character went from being God fearing, Church-going Mediterenean with acuman for business entrepreneurialism to one of being lazy cheating southern-European.

To say that the character-assination of the modern-Greek was all done by FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs is being frivolous and a little naive. Rogue elements within Greeces Western-partners and Europeasn-cousins played a significant role in that anti-Hellenic excercise.

So the West attempted to involve itself in the Balkan peninsula by setting-up protectorates in the region. FYRoM and Kosovo with protection could exist, but what are their real long term prospects without protection. The Balkans now, particularly the Western-Balkans are in a sorry state, see the list of names above to form an informed opinion.

Greece suffered colateral-damage from the break-up of the old-Yugoslavia, evidenced in the name dispute with FYRoM.In the absence of serious development plans for the Balkans, the region is left to wallow in it's own nostalgia. The West, having lost Interest there, show no real apetite to begin new planning...things remain stagnant and volatile, the way it has always been in the Balkans.
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10/26/2012 02:30 PM
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The complexities of ethnic-tensions and religious tolerances in the Balkans, is nowhere more truely represented than in FYRoM. The natural-history, cultural-heritage and time-served traditions of the place reflect that...a place where a mosaic of exogenous-cultures made the geographic-region of Macedonia their home. The principle base-culture of the place can be found in Northern-Greece, where the historic-part, the ancient-region of Macedon is located. Greece is the primordial-home of original-Macedonia but the region grew under latin-Roman rule creating Macedonia II Salutaris to the north of Macedonia-Prima.

Today, the greater extended, geographic-region of Macedonia straddles over more than one country. Greece holds on to the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon which constitutes the largest share of 51% of the total teritory. FYRoM holds 39% of it, which equates to just over one third. Bulgaria holds on to just over 9% whilst Albania holds a miniscule 1%.

1...The original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is held by the Hellenic Republic.

2...The largest portion of Macedonian teritory belongs inside Hellas.

3...The most populated part of Macedonia is in Greece.

4...Greece is the primordial-homeland of a base-culture, a material-culture and a host-culture all ancient-Hellenic peoples...>230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms subscribed.

These facts FYRoM ignores. The fact that FYRoM is a small part of a whole speaks volumes.

FYRoM is home to 39% of Macedonia II Salutaris, an add-on to the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon. There is nothing of real Macedonia there, yet, the peoples of that newly emergent country hold on to the belief they are Macedonians on the basis, they live in Macedonia and speak Macedonian...neither of which is true, is it!
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10/27/2012 05:55 AM
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If the measure of ethnicity was calculated in feelings, then the ancient-Macedonians were Proud-Greeks...the Proudest, most fanatical Greeks to exist. They defended and protected the Hellenic world from barbarian incursions invasions and attacks.

If Pride is the result from fostering feelings and collective memories common to Greeks and the Hellenic world...then, the ancient-Macedonians were the Proudestmost-Greeks, for they exported their Pride to the farthestmost reaches of the ancient-world.

Macedonians, both past and present have always been Proud-Greeks...Proud to have maintained that Greek language and that Hellenic culture. Very Proud of their ancestors, for initiating that campaign to free the Greek city states in the east, that found themselves under Persian subjugation.

Greeks are a Proud peoples...Macedonians are No exception.

When FYRoM ex-Yugoslavs use the Macedonian name for self-Identity...they are insulting Greeks by making a mockery of the achievements of their ancestors.

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs Rubbish Greek history, they are Rubbishing Hellenism's contributions to world- history.

They took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!

Todays Greeks are Proud of their National-history and Cultural-Heritage. So Proud, we are prepared to defend and protect what is ours by historic-right, our cultural-heritage, our inheritance and nobody elses.
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10/27/2012 09:48 AM
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Before 1913, the geographic region of Macedonia was under Ottoman Turk (control) ownership. The Greek beat the Turk in war, in battle and by conquest, to regain Macedonia (the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon) back for Hellas. The Bucharest treaty of 1913 made that process legal and binding.

The Turk never ever recognized Slavic owneship of Macedonia. The Turk, in-fact, acknowledged that he took Macedonia away from the (Rum) Greco-Romans. The Turk also acknowledged defeat in battle, and that meant he had to give Macedonia back to the Greeks.

Like the Turk, the Slav must recognize that Macedonia (the ancient-Kingdom) has always been Greek-Hellenic teritory, even when during specific periods of the past, the Slav had intermittant possession of Macedonia...brief posession, and only at various intervals.

For the Slavs of FYRoM to be taught that Macedonia belongs to them, the Slavs...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. This is a total-travesty of what has already been established and become common-knowledge, through the long mainstream historical-record.

During those brief historical intervals, when the Slavs had posession of specific areas of geographic-Macedonia, they never ever used the Macedonian-name for self-Identity, nor did they ever use the term "Macedonian-language," there was no such thing, it hadn't been invented yet. The first time we get to hear about a Macedonian-language was when the Croatian South-Slav, Marshall Jozep Broz Tito banded a group of Slavist philologists in 1944 to create it.

Autumn 1944, South-Slavs of FYRoM get a Macedonian-language to call their own...to call it by that name. Before 1944, it didn't exist, they had to make do with Bulgarian.
Before 1944, the all-pervasive Bulgarian-language prevailed in Vardaska-Banovina...FYRoM's previous name. Cyrillic-Bulgarian was used to engrave the Tombstones of their dearly departed. After 1944, those Tombstones had to be engraved using a new language, the Makedonski-language which had just been created for them.

How absurd it must appear, to bury Bulgarian speaking South-Slavs before 1944 and then, have to call them Macedonian speaking South-Slavs after 1944. Same people but different name choice for language. Slavists called it language-shift.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated rogue scholars, pseudo-historians
and specialist-propagandists tried to make the Hellenic race look bad, but in the event, they made themselves, the Slavic race, look even worse in the eyes of the world.
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10/28/2012 09:34 AM
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Almost the entire population in FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are Macedonian by nationality and by descent, on the basis, they live on Macedonian soil and speak a language call Macedonian-language.

Amost the entire population in FYRoM are sold on the Idea the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon was a distinct nation in it's own right, and that they, are the modern descendents of it.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea Macedonia was divided brutally in 1913, and that their fatherland is today, under Greek occupation.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are Macedonian by blood and by Dna, and that modern-Greeks are not real Greeks but titular-Greeks...Greeks in name but not in substance.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea they are ethnic-racial Macedonians, and cultural-linguistic Macedonians...empowering them to excercize their self determination right to use the Macedonian name for their new Slavic country, nationality, language and ethnicity.

Almost the entire population of FYRoM are sold on the Idea Greece is an artificial nation, created by the West to cheat the Slavonic race from it's true history and heritage in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...which they equate to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. In their history books, Aleksandar Veliki is a Proto-Slavic hero and becomes the first Czar of the Slavs.

Greeks live next to primitive, lowly educated South-Slavic peoples...Sold on the Idea they Macedonians, with roots and connections to the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity.

Greeks despair but we No give-up!

Greeks shall continue to educate them here, on the Internet and elsewhere, in the hope that one day...Slavdom does the right thing in taking that job away from the Greeks in order to bring it in-house, to educate their own Slavic peoples on Slavic history and heritage. FYRoM needs it,
in-fact, FYRoM is lost without it, forever condemned to walking the streets thinking of themselves as Macedonians and thinking of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.
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greeks are gays and homos. gayreeks are most stupid people on this world.

nick the greek lives in london and he is spamming this website with the same idiotic messages. he gets salary from united kingdom government just because of these stupid spam messages.

british people feed greek people with taxes. feed your dogs instead of greeks.
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The area we know today as FYRoM was actually called Vardarska Banovina. It was in 1945 that Marshal Jozep Broz Tito, the communist dictator ruling Yugoslavia, converted a province into a republic, naming it the "People’s Republic of Macedonia." In 1963, the name was changed to the "Socialist Republic of Macedonia."

After 1944, a systematic campaign was initiated to adopt for usurpation, the history and heritage of ancient Macedonia. Slavist orientated revisionist pseudo-historians from the "People's Republic of Macedonia" were commissioned to re-write history, to include ancient-Macedonian history according to the wishes of the League of Communists.

From since 1945 onwards, the peoples of FYRoM have learned to use the Macedonian name for self-Identity, but the name is Greek...it belongs in the Greek domain. Greeks have been using that name from since the times of King-Karanus, they are not prepaired to relinquish their usage of it in order to appease the Slavs of FYRoM.

Slavs are no Macedonians...they are a different race to the original Macedonians. Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples, evidenced in the overwhelming massive stock-piles of historical data recorded for posterity in the long established mainstream historical narative.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should respect their Slavic heritage and leave the Macedonian one for the Greek-Hellenic peoples, the rightful custodians and sole-legal inheritors of it.

It doesn't take the Greeks to expose FYRoM's ethno-racial Slavic origins. The Yugoslavian Military Encyclopedia lists the ancestors of FYROM as Slavs, peoples of the first Slavic tribes of the Brsjaci, Draguvati, Smoljani, Rinhini, Velegiziti and others, that arrived in the area during the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

The history of the Slavic inhabitants of FYROM goes hand in hand with the history of the Bulgarian peoples, right up to 1913, for they started together by fate and they were forced to separate by politics.

The present day Slavic population of FYROM has nothing in common with the ancient-Macedonians. They are Slavs, a totally different race!
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When radicalised Albanians say: Alexander the Great was Albanian...it doesn't even register on the richter-scale of looney statements because the Idea is way-too preposterous to contemplate. Historian scholars and academics alike dismiss these wayward Albanian claims as wishful thinking.

When radicalised Bulgarians say: Alexander the Great was Bulgarian...people pay them no-mind, such statements are ignored because the Idea is simply way-too radical to be taken seriously. Historian scholars and academics alike disregard these Bulgarian claims as being delusional.

When radicalised ex-Yugoslavs say: Alexander the Great was Macedonian...accredited historians agree, he was the King of ancient-Macedon. At this juncture, it starts to get complicated because it must be pointed out, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs apply the Macedonian term to themselves for self-Identity. When that is actually realised at the academic-level, the reaction amongst historian-scholars and academics alike is one of subtle astonishment, then bewilderment turning to utter confusion. How can Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia be Macedonians they ask!

When Albanians say those silly things, they are simply ignored, on the basis, those claims are considered wishful thinking!

When Bulgarians say those silly things, they are shunned, on the basis, those claims are considered too radical to be taken seriously!

When FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs say those silly things, they are shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance, on the basis, those claims are considered way-too opinionated to warrant comment.

In the Balkans, the peoples there begrudge the Greeks and resent them for having inherited the history and heritage of the Eastern-Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The Greek speaking (Romioi) peoples of that empire traced their heritage back to the ancient-Hellenes, who traced their heritage back to Proto-Greek Mycaeneans.

Greeks live next to primitive politicised peoples, trained and prepared to despise Greeks for being Greek...hateful, resentful peoples, radicalised and bred for purpose to destroy Hellenism in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula, the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since Milleniums.

I say, the time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for things to come...The fighting spirit of the Greek has awoken, mobilized and ready, the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away!
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greeks are gays and homos. gayreeks are most stupid people on this world.

nick the greek lives in london and he is spamming this website with the same idiotic messages. he gets salary from united kingdom government just because of these stupid spam messages.

british people feed greek people with taxes. feed your dogs instead of greeks.
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[link to my.raex.com] Macedonians - Spartans - Athenians - Thebans - Cypriots - Corinthians -
Syracusans - Ephesians - Pontians - Cretens...>230 known ancient-Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms were peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. They shared much in common.

All of them Greek speakers...All of them Hellenic peoples!

When facing foreigners in battle...they were proud-Hellenes!

When facing their own in battle...they invoked their native regional-tribal name, the autochthonous-Identity of their ancestral forebears.

example:

An Athenian against a Persian is a Hellene...but, an Athenian against a Corinthian remains an Athenian.

FYRoM's Macedonian-Identity is fake...there is Nothing Macedonian about it but the name, acquired under somewhat dubious questionable circumstances.
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The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...

...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.
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Right to self-Identity is sacrosanct absolute, enshrined in the UN charter of human-rights. Nobody foresaw or imagined that one-day, this right would get misused and abused...as evidenced in the case of FYRoM - a newly emergent country which is home to a peoples from Serbian and Bulgarian heritage.

The world witnessed South-Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia lay claim to the Macedonian-name and Identity, whilst they invoked the UN charter of human-rights to uphold their right to self-determination.

Common knowledge: The Macedonian-name and Identity have a history associated with Hellenism. Greek speaking Hellenic peoples created the name and used it for self-Identity from since the times of King Karanus 808 - 778 BC. The name belongs in the Greek domain whilst the Identity belongs to Greek heritage...This is the prevailing consensus amongst reputable historian-scholars of the classics.

FYRoM's right to self-Identity is sacrosanct absolute, but that does not signal the green-light for it's misuse, nor does it issue free-license to abuse that right.

When it is known at the highest echelons of academic and scholarly disciplines that the Macedonian-name sprang from the Hellenic world, it makes FYRoM's use of it disturbing.

FYRoM's use of an ancient-Greek regional-tribal name, is now viewed with derision amongst the learned peoples of this world, they look upon it as an abuse of the right to self-determination...on the basis, it crosses the lines of moral and ethical conduct.

Yes, everybody has the right to self-Identity, to self-determine the way they wish, feel or see fit...but the FYRoM case is unique in that it is realized now, the people there practice Makedonism, an expansionist-based Slavist doctrine which attempts to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs by manipulating simple-hearted, simple-minded people to think of themselves as Macedonians and to think of ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

It is an abuse of the UN charter of human-rights, to knowingly attempt a preemptive strike at taking the Macedonian-name away from the Greeks, laying claims to the legacy of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...when on every single Identity-factor they have proven to be Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

FYRoM covets a name and Identity the Slavs there cannot have...on the basis, they are different race, a fact now acknowledged at the highest echelons of diplomatic - political and academic office.

With no political or academic support...FYRoM is in dire self-inflicted straits, a precarious state of affairs, shunted up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the people there learn the truth about Macedonians and about themselves, about their true ethno-racial origins, history and heritage.
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Ancient-Greece was an unbelievably astonishing impressive place, inhabited by a fractious collection of peoples espousing >230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and Kingdoms...peoples of the same speech and of the same genous. Macedonians are an integral-part of this collective.

A Macedonian to an Egyptian was a Hellene, according to the
historical record.

A Macedonian to a Persian was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Hebrew was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Hindu was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Celt was a Hellene, according to the historical record.

A Macedonian to a Phoenician was a Hellene, according to the
historical record.

All ancient peoples that came into contact with Macedonians recognized them and acknowledged them as Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Who, in the modern-age came-up with the Idea they were Slavs
or something akin to Slavs or Slavic speakers.

Who, in the modern-age has got the gall, the front or the bottle to de-Hellenize them in order to award their ancient-Greek name and their Hellenic-Identity to a NoN-Greek peoples from Slavic heritage.

Macedonians have always been Greek and Greeks have always lived in Macedonia...the ancient-Kingdom.

Who, has got the front to Rubbish that!
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Contrary to popular-belief in FYRoM...there are no human-rights that stipulate, new emergent nations have the right to usurp existing-Identities, especially if a particular Identity already exist's and is just next door in a long established neighbouring country.

FYRoM covetts the Macedonian-name and Identity for self-determination purposes but Macedonians already exist...they are Greeks, and Greek have always lived in Macedonia, the ancient-Kingdom. By pursuing these claims, the political leadership in FYRoM have overstepped the mark on moral-ethical issues, and matters pertaining to decency and respect.

In order to express some Macedonian credentials, the political leadership there in FYRoM embarked on a crusade to construct gigantic statues and classical-style Hellenistic architectural-monuments...most have been erected now but the results are dissapointing. Critics consider them a disnified aisthetic nuisance, this is how they have been depicted in the International press.

The Disney-fication of FYRoM has motivated some people in that country to ponder their international-image and their future...how they are viewed by the outside-world and whether the Theme-Park approach in Skopje is the right one for the country.

Everywhere in FYRoM, ancient-Hellenic themes adorn the streets boulevards and highways...often done in bad-taste, in very tacky settings. The rush to mark everything with Macedonian insignia, whether it be names or symbols, the end results are often shabby reflections of the originals.

Frantic actions to stamp everything there with Macedonian onomastics, for image purposes, in hope aspiration and desire that FYRoM's much covetted Macedonian-Identity shines through, has had the opposite affect...all of these actions have served only to highlight just how misplaced they are in FYRoM, a Slavic country chasing the Macedonian name for their country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity when everybody is telling them these Identity factors do not bode well with South-Slavs.
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Macedonian...this term denotes a primordial Greek-Hellenic regional-Identity which is still embraced by a considerable proportion of the peoples now populating the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Macedonian...this term is used to describe Greeks from the Northenmost region of Hellas. How confusing is it for the Macedonians of Greece, to have FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs wanting to use their regional-name for self-determination purposes.

South-Slavs from the old-Yugoslavia consider it their inviolable-right to use freely, a name of their choice, so they opted to use the Macedonian-name. They chose an ancient-archaic, Greek-Hellenic, regional-tribal name freely...this is the name they want to use for their new Slavic country, nationaltiy, language and ethnicity.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated mind-architects, converted an ancient-Greek, regional-tribal name, into a unique ethnic-racial term, citing, it is their inviolable right to so, invoking the UN charter of human-rights.

FYRoM has spent the last 21 years trying to establish themselves as a Nation of Slavic-speaking Macedonians...at the expense and exclusion of the Greeks. But for Greek objections, FYRoM is kept from achieving that goal.

Greece holds the moral and academic high-ground in the name dispute between the two countries...supported by the UN, USA, EU, NATO and the International academic community. All of these worldly-bodies and global-Institutions say the
same thing, that FYRoM must compromise. The Onus is on FYRoM to comprimise, to find a proper, more suitable name for the country and it's disparate peoples.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are not the Macedonians they think they are or were told they are...or the Macedonians they want to be. Real Macedonians have always been Greek speaking Hellenic peoples.

Macedonia(n)...when this term is used, it is used to describe Greeks, Northern-Greeks from the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

Can FYRoM Really Rubbish This!
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FYRoM covets the Macedonian name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity...Identity factors which do not bode well the South-Slavs, which has plunged the fledgling country into an Identity crisis manifested in a name dispute with Greece over the use of a name, FYRoM has freely chosen for self-determination purposes. The problem for FYRoM is this: The country cannot enter the EU or NATO under it's freely chosen name of Republic of Macedonia on the basis, the political will to integrate FYRoM into the Euro-Atlantic economic and security area has all but fizzled out. The benefits for doing so have become minor to insignificant.

The general area of the Balkans have proven difficult to develop into something the West would recognise as being economically feasable or worthwhile. Plan after plan for restructuring the region, getting the right political parties on-side never materialized. Had this part of the planning been achieved, the pay-off for the West would have manifested in a peace dividend at the end, but none of these things were achieved and none are likely or foreseable as ever being achieved.

FYRoM is kept at arms length, at a distance because bringing it closer to the West benefits no-one! Politicians from across the political divide have abandoned the FYRoM cause as being unachievable. Integrating the country into Western economic and security structures have proven to be far to difficult. The stumbling block...The Macedonian name.

FYRoM's freely chosen name for self-determination is the one-singlemost factor which keeps the country from achieving it's Euro-Atalantic aspirations. It was a mistake for FYRoM to get into historical debates with Greece over Macedonian issues relating to the classical period, the roman period and the medievil period, when everything that we know has been long established and academically approved. Arguments with Greece over these historical matters are in fact, arguments with academia.

Greece politicised the academic world with significant numbers of historian scholars openly suporting the Greek positions visa vie, the name dispute issue. Politicians have their hands tied...they are unable to go against the teachings of academia on matters Macedonian. Their influence in championing the FYRoM cause cannot be tarnished by historical-revisionism and pseudo-history, the two main pillars on which FYRoM's so called Macedonian Identity rests upon!
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Macedonians are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece. Others bearing that name are Not Macedonians...at least, not in the Greek sense of the word.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs bear the name issued to them by Communist-Slavists from the old-Yugoslavia during the WWII years. On their will, did they acquire the Macedonian-name for their language and for their country...1944 and 1945, respectively. Before these dates, there was No language called Macedonian-language in Yugoslavia, and No country called Peoples Republic of Macedonia, these concept were created by Slavist mind-architects, purely Communist inventions.

Bona-fide Macedonians have always been Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples...from since the times of King-Karanus.

That Communists-Slavists were able to conjure-up a Macedonian entity within the confines of a Federation of South-Slavic states, bears testament to their cunning-skills, their planning-skills and their plotting-skills to undermine Hellenism in the Greek [Haemus] peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

Macedonians have always called themselves Greeks to NoN-Greeks. To other Greeks, they were Macedonian, their native autochthonous name spawned from the Greek-Hellenic language.

Can Slavists, Communists or Free-Market Capitalists Really Rubbish This!
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Like the Turks, the Slavs of FYRoM share similar themes and synergies regards their ethno-genesys story. The Turk for example, scripted himself an ethno-genesys story which blurs the distinction between the ancient-peoples of Asia-Minor and the modern Turkistani speaking muslim-population which is found nowadays populating Anatolia.

Turkic-Turanids, revisionists and pseudo-historians, consider it fair to equate modern-Turks with ancient-Anatolians...on the basis, todays Turkistanis are an amalgam of all the peoples that set-foot on Asia-Minor soil. FYRoM's Slavist orientated revisionist pseudo-historians do the same with the modern-Slavic population of FYRoM, they equate the Slavic element in their biological make-up to be just one part of the amalgam.

But, is it really fair to suggest that eastern-asiatic, oriental Turkic-Turanids, are really descended from Hittites, or Lycians, or Phrygians. Is it really fair to suggest that the "Turkic-element" is only just one part of the amalgam which constitutes modern-Turk contemporary Identity. One would have to be a hardened propagandist, or a severely brainwashed individual...immersed in Slavist-based Ideology in the FYRoM case, or immersed in Turanid-based Ideology in the Turk case.

Greeks live next to primitive TurkoSlavic peoples who's respective Turkic - Slavic mind-architects prime-them and drive-them to think of themselves as being native and Indigenous peoples to the Greek (Haemus) peninsula and to Asia-Minor, when nothing is further from the truth.

In order to compensate for their foreign - exogenous origins, both Turanids and Slavists scripted themselves similar ethno-genesys stories, which are way inconsistant and incompatible with their actual, real-time, ethno-racial Identities. Turks are known to have eastern-asiatic, oriental beginnings, whilst the Serbo-Bulgarians of FYRoM are known to have Slavic beginnings.

In their pseudo-scriptures, Turanid themes merge with the Slavist ones...both Turkic and Slavic revisionist pseudo-historians share synergies which make their respective races leap-frog back to a time in pre-history, a time before the making of the Proto-Greeks, as Hittites and Trojans in the Turanid case, and Phrygians and Macedonians in the Slavist case.

Greeks live next to foreign - exogenous TurkoSlavic peoples who evidently, appear to be hell-bent in wanting to eradicate Hellenism from it's primordial homeland...the Greek (Haemus) peninsula!
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FRYoM's ex-Yugoslavs cannot claim to be a peoples that exist in another country, nor can they be seen to be usurping another peoples native tribal-name...neither can they wantonly claim the territories of a neighbouring country as being "occupied-territories" with impunity, or without consequences. These hostile actions rightly bring-on reactions, from the very peoples those hostilities were aimed at. FYRoM's hostile actions directed towards Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples have been duly-noted at the highest echelons of diplomatic office.

Hostile Action No 1...FYRoM, a newly emergent Slavic-country from 1991, claims the Macedonian-name to be their freely chosen name, the name they wish to use for their own self-Identity and for self-determination purposes. The problem for FYRoM is this: The Macedonian-name is known to have originated in the Hellenic world from Greek speakers using a Hellenic (Centum) language. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are a South-Slavic peoples speaking a Slavic (Satem) language mischieviously and inappropriately named to Macedonian-language in 1944.

Hostile Action No 2...FYRoM used anti-Hellenic genetic propaganda to portray Greek Dna as African. State-sponsored genetic tests were initiated using Spanish haematologist A.Arnaiz-Villena. The results were rigged to cluster Greek Dna in with an African sample, something which could not be repeated in European-wide genetic tests using Greek Dna.

Hostile Action No 3...FYRoM invited a Pakistani Hunza Prince to their Slavic country in order to hail him as one of their own...as a descendent of Alexander the Great, their ancestor. FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs were seen to be prostrating themselves in the Press and Media, in adoration and in total humility. Europeans witnessed Yugoslavs getting down on all fours to prostrate themselves in front of an Asian Pakistani, something real European Greco-Macedonians would never do.

Hostile Action No 4...FYRoM erects gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's, like Alexander the Great and his father King Philip of Macedon in Skopje, their capital city, a place they never set-foot.

Hostile Action No 5...FYRoM renames Slavic street names to ancient-Greek names to rile the Greeks.

Hostile Action No 6...FYRoM promotes revisionism and pseudo-history in order to make Macedonians out of South-Slavs, where ancient-Macedonians become Slavic-speakers racially akin to Slavs.

There were many many instances of hostile actions FYRoM directed at Greece and the Greek-Hellenic peoples, all of them done for the gratification-factor, to see the Greek peoples squirm at their actions, knowing they had support from a world community sympathetic to their cause, but that was then and this is now.

FYRoM now, has been abandoned...shunned, shoved-up a siding, kept at arms length, at a distance until the peoples there learn the truth about Macedonians and about themselves, like who they really are, and from whence they really come from.
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alexander was not greek, he was macedonian.

he maybe was "Hellenized" with culture and language but his race/ethnic wasnt greek.
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alexander was not greek, he was macedonian.

he maybe was "Hellenized" with culture and language but his race/ethnic wasnt greek.
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[link to my.raex.com] Hellenic Tribes.

If being Macedonian means being Greek in the first place...

...FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs should respect that, right!
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From since the advent of FYRoM onto the world-stage, the Greeks have witnessed hostililties directed at them, their race, their culture, their skin-colour, their religion, their Dna, their history and their heritage...as if there existed a concerted effort to undermine Greeks, Greece and Hellenism in the Greek (Haemus) peninsula...the primordial homelands of the Greek-Hellenic peoples from since time immemorial.

So I take my hat-off to the guy who wrote these now prophetic words...

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.

On the back of the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, Greeks have witnessed all of those anti-Hellenic elements listed above, come to fruition before our very eyes.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being neutralized, caged and locked, into financial-alliances designed to shackel the Hellenic Republic in for the long term.
Before our very eyes, Greece is being neutralized in order to limit the reactions of the Greek-Hellenic peoples to events which are yet to come...events which in themselves shall prove to be detrimental to Hellenism and the Hellenic cause.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being forced to conform to the will of International-Financiers. Under the cloak of International-financial assistance, the social-cohesion of the Hellenic Republic is being dissmantled in order to create fragmentation.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being choked, denied the loan-funds required to initiate sustainable-development in the Greek economy. Prospectors - Speculators - Ratings-Agencies working in tandem, in common-cause, preventing Greece from accessing International-Finance.

Before our very eyes, Greece is being suffocated in order to keep the peoples there comatosed on depravity and destitution, to keep them moot and passive, to keep them from distinguishing themsleves and to prevail.
Before our very eyes, Greece is being forced to chase the wealth of some Rich-Greeks who Bank abroad. French politician (Lagarde) supplying the sinister list of names for the Greek-State to hound and to chase. Make Rich-Greeks poor, then sit back and watch Greece develop, go forward or prevail. The Idea of going after Rich-Greeks, under the cloak of Tax redemption is a Sinister-Idea, borne from devious and deviant minds.

To those who want to see the Hellenic Republic Nondescript,
Unimportant and Insignificant I say This:

The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.

Rich-Greeks stand Ready to Assist...Their Wealth is for Hellenism, not for Lagarde. The use of their Wealth is to ensure the survival of the Greek-Hellenic-Nation for years to come.
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The pursuit of universal knowledge is a virtue. The job for aspiring academics is to acquire knowledge in order to become knowledgable, at least, in a specific discipline of their choice. When historian scholars become accredited, their teachings on the subject should be taken seriously.

For centuries, the worlds accumulated-knowledge on the classics have always been dispensed in prestigious-universities, science-museums and other state or private learning institutions...nowadays though, that knowledge is available in peoples homes on their lap-top computers through the Internet.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] When 372 of the worlds most reputable historian-scholars of the classics, decided to put pen to paper in support of the Greek positions visa vie, the name dispute issue with FYRoM...their actions should be taken seriously.

World-diplomats and global-politicians who for political expediancy, threw their full weight behind the recognition of FYRoM as "Republic of Macedonia," suddenly found themselves at odds and on the opposite side of the International academic fraternity...a world body of accumulated knowledge.

It took historian-scholars of the classics to tell politicians, that what they was doing with FYRoM was wrong.

FYRoM is Not Macedonia but Paeonia, in ancient-geographic terms...Politicians did not know this vital-snippet of information because their field of expertise did not cover the classics or basic Greco-Roman history.

Now that world-diplomats and global-politicians have been fully briefed and knowledgable on the subject...visa vie, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece, things have changed! FYRoM is not given a second look anymore!
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When it is realized that (i) FYRoM constitutes only 39% of the territory covering the greater-Macedonian region, and that (ii) FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs make-up only 25% of the geographic-regions population, and that (iii) the remaining 75% of the population there, claim Macedonian-Identity also, in the regional-geographic context...it kind of puts FYRoM in it's place, as a small insignificant claimant to an Identity it is actually a minority of. The majority 75%
strongly object to FYRoM's 25% minority putting in a claim for exclusivity over the Macedonian-name and Identity.

If the greater-Macedonian geographic-region is to be viewed as a something resembling a contiguate monolith, then FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs form only a small [39%] part of the whole. Natural-law dictates that the smallest-part cannot be used to define the biggest-part.

Macedonians in their overwhelming majority are the Greeks that still live in the historic-region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece...the actual Kingdom of Macedon, where Alexander the Great was born.

When it is realized that FYRoM is actually playing games with the International community, making wild, invalid and inconsistant claims to things it, as a newly emergent country, has no real legitimate rights to...it kind of puts the International community on the spot, not knowing which way to turn or how to handle the situation.

FYRoM's case is a peculiar one, it is quite unique in that, never before in the history of mankind has one race of peoples ever attempted to usurp exclusively, the name and Identity of another peoples...a neighbouring peoples, who form the majority and can trace the usage of their native regional-tribal name back to the ancient-Greeks.

When it was realized that FYRoM was in-deed and in-fact, playing games with the International community, stretching their claims to the brink...the world gave-up on them.

The International community no longer give FYRoM a second look.
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FYRoM's claim to fame stems from a naming-dispute it has been engaged in, for the past 21 years with a neighbouring country...Greece. FYRoM opted to use an ancient and archaic,
Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for self-determination purposes. The Macedonian-name is known to have originated in the Hellenic-world from Greek speakers practicing Hellenism. It was that Greek-culture and that Hellenic-civilization the Western-world adopted for their own culture of choice. Had FYRoM opted to use it's original name of "Vardar-Banovina," the newly established country would not have any claim to fame. FYRoM would not be half as famous! FYRoM's claim to fame is down to one thing and one thing only...the Macedonian-name.

FYRoM's claim to fame rests soley on it's geographic proximity to Greece, butressed on Hellenic northern-borders touching the historic-region of ancient-Macedon. This newly emergent Slavic statelet in the Balkans, vyes and competes with Greece over numerous historical issues, retorting angrily, that Greece has been attributed with far too much ancient-history undeservedly, that some it should be shared around with others from the Balkan (Haemus) peninsula.

FYRoM strenuously contests recognition of achievements attributed to ancient-Greeks, when they should have been attributed to other ancient-peoples. In FYRoM's view, Greece stole everything from the Egyptians and other ancient-cultures, not giving Greeks one-iota of credit for their contributions to world-history.

Greeks live next to primitive, hateful, resentful and spiteful peoples on their northern-border...bred for purpose, to hate Greeks and to belittle Hellenism.
To those who want to see the modern-Greeks ridiculed and humiliated I say This:

The time has come for the Greek-Hellenic peoples to rise, to stand-up for Hellenism, to defend their culture, to protect their heritage, to safeguard their ancestral-inheritance, to fight for their rights...their historic-rights and to champion the Hellenic cause in the face of adversity.

In preperation for these things to come, the fighting spirit of the Greek has been invoked, the Greeks awoken, stirred mobilized and ready...the spark to ignite the motion just a flicker away.

Long Live Hellas...Long Live the Greek-Hellenic Peoples!
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Looking back...Nobody could have predicted the extent to which FYRoM was prepared to stoop in order to promote the Idea, Alexander the Great was a Proto-Slav rather than an ancient-Greek.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures littered the air-waves and the ether of the internet, all media platforms were covered. FYRoM's revisionist rogue-scholars plastered their pseudo-historical Slavist-orientated pseudo-scriptures
everywhere...coverage went viral as they say in the media-world.

In addition to having their history and heritage rubbished, the Greeks had to endure FYRoM's racism. From the period 2004 - 2008, the Greeks were treated to a continuous barrage of verbal-taunts and racist-comments, badmouthing them on their anthropology, race, skin-colour, Blood-Dna, religion, language, culture and traditions. This is the extent to which FYRoM's Slavists stooped to make the Greeks look bad and themselves good, the innocent victims of Greek barbarity...this was they way they wanted to portray themselves on the international-stage and to the outside-world.

FYRoM was not alone though, they were aided and abetted by some of Greeces Western-Partners and European-Cousins who had interests in the Balkan region...more business, than anything to do with academic or political-correctness.

Mostly though, FYRoM was aided and abetted by Turanid orientated Turkics who had rhyme reason and motive to assist in the character-assassination of the modern-Greek. Global media coverage was achieved through Turkeys one-time strategic partnership-alliance with Israel, a middle-eastern super-power with global media assets the Turkics made absolute and thorough use of.

Political expediancy almost awarded FYRoM, a newly established Slavic country, the Macedonian-name...at the expense and total exclusion of Greeks. Greek concerns were discounted by some in Europe until a private initiative by historian-scholars and academics alike, banded together to defend historical-verity.

[link to macedonia-evidence.org] Who dares go against the teachings of this academic body!

World diplomats and global politicians have discounted expediancy for historical-truth...FYRoM is no longer given the time of day or even a second look!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!
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The most striking aspect of FYRoM's pre-occupation with ancient-Greeks is the way the Slavist-orientated Makedonists there attempt to distance them away from modern-day Greeks. Todays Greeks are not related to the ancient-Greeks they say...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

Even when it is pointed-out to them that the path of least resistance flows through the modern-Greek path, the Slavs of FYRoM contest it...contrary to the overwhelming evidence!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could never find it in themselves to accept modern-day Greeks as being the sole and legal, heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy, the cultural-custodians of all things Hellenic. They cannot accept the Idea that Macedonians started-off as a Greek speaking Hellenic peoples and that Macedonians are still here today as Greek speakers and Hellenic peoples.

In every conceivable way that counts, and in all the ways that matter, it's only the modern-day Greeks that can boast fraternal-relations, cultural-linguistic links, ethnic and racial ties and proven historic connections to the ancient-ones...links ties and connections which transcend those of any other peoples on this planet.

Todays Greeks are the real deal, the closest modern-peoples to the ancient-Greeks...Macedonians included.

FYRoM's Slavist orientated Makedonists attempted to de-Hellenize the ancient-Macedonians in order to claim them for Slavdom. They made ancient-Greeks - Proto-Slavs, with Aleksandar Veliki becoming the first Czar of the Slavs.

FYRoM's pseudo-scriptures Rubbish Greek history intentionally...Slavist orientated Makedonists there took something good like the classics and Rubbished them, converted them into something Vulgar!





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