Alexander the Great : Greek or SouthSlav

At all of these levels, geographically, linguistically, historically and culturally - todays Greeks can boast to be the closest related modern-peoples to the ancient ones. The connections transcend biological fraternal ties which bind them to their ancestors. They are as closely related to the ancient-Macedonians as they are to the ancient-Athenians, ancient-Spartans, Corinthians, Thessalians, Ionians and the whole list of Hellenic tribes that constituted the ancient-Hellenic world from antiquity. The path of least resistance flows through the modern Greeks - no other peoples in the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula can boast what the Greeks boast.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs embarrass themselves when they tell the world they are more Macedonian than the Greeks...they embarrass Slavdom also, and insult the Greeks and Hellenism in the process.

The Macedonian-name is older than FYRoM's Slavic ancestors arrival to the region. Slavs were newcomers to Macedonia, arriving there at the top-end of the 6th Century AD, almost a millennium after the death of Alexander the Great. Any newcomer that settles an already inhabited region has no relatedness to the pre-existing population there. FYRoM's Slavic ancestors cross-fertilizing [[by force][free will]] with the local population there would still only make them partially-Greek, with partial-Greek rights to their legacy history and heritage.

Slavdom should pull FYRoM to one side and explain to them with whom they are dealing - Hellenism has endured in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula for more than 3 Millenniums. Greek-Hellenic culture has endured Persian excruciations, Celtic invasions, Roman occupation, Hunnic barbarity, Ostro-Gothic treachery, Slavic settlement, Pope inspired crusades, Catholic betrayal and Turkish domination spanning a time continuum of more than 1000 years...Greeks survived to tell the tale. Greeks preserved Hellenism, the Hellenic language and culture into the modern era.

If the Slavs of FYRoM think they can take something from Hellenism, something which never belonged to them in the first place, then truly, they do not know with whom they are dealing.

Greeks reserve the right to defend and protect what is theirs by birthright. Greeks shall defend Hellenism in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula. Greeks shall protect Hellenism, a culture and a way of life that has endured for more than 3 Millenniums.

Long live Hellas, long live the Greek-Hellenic peoples.

New upcoming emerging country's do have the sovereign right to call themselves by whatever name they like, but common-sense dictates that it must be done within a framework which
does not deprive others from their self-determination rights.

In the FYRoM case, the Slavs there want to use the Macedonian name for self-Identity and for self-determination
purposes when it is known that Macedonians already exist as a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

It must be stressed: Macedonians have existed in exactly the same place, as self-determined Greeks for more than 3 millenniums, from since the days of King Karanus 808-778 BC, whilst the Slavs of FYRoM, from since 1945.

Macedonia is Hellenic like Bavaria is Germanic, like Jerusalem is Israel, like Texas is American, like the Dordogne is France, like Tazmania is Australia...like FYRoM is Slavic - should I continue ?

A Macedonian nation outside of Hellenism has never existed in historical verity, to create one now would be considered anethema, Greeks would simply not permit it, they would view such a venture as an abomination, an anti-Hellenic action, a travesty of the recorded history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

To create a Macedonian nation state now, and then people it with NoN-Greeks, with rights to the historical legacy of the ancient-Macedonians would be a cause for the Greeks to take-up arms.

FYRoM does not have the right to wantonly usurp another peoples regional-tribal name...whilst it does have the right of self-determination, it cannot pick a name that is already in use and known to belong to another peoples, a native indigenous, racially different peoples with land and ancestry ties to the region.

Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 Milleniums whilst the Slavs of FYRoM became Macedonians under dubious circumstances in 1945.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs have been Slavic from since the 6th Century AD...for 1,400 years. Their parent-ethnicity has been Slavic for 1, 332 years until it was changed for them in 1945. For 68 years, they have used the Macedonian name self-Identify with.

I say again: Macedonians have been self-determined Greeks for more than 3 milleniums. FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs...from since 1945, and under the strict coercive influences of the Communist-Slavist elite ruling WWII wartime Yugoslavia.

The region where FYRoM is located right now is a place that used to be called Paoenia back in ancient times. To the north of Paeonia lay Dardania. These lands were annexed and incorporated into a much larger extended-Macedonia by the latin-Romans, for administrative purposes - Paeonia and Dardania were never part of the original ancient-Kingdom of Macedon.

FYRoM's attempt to establish itself as a new Slavic country called Macedonia, clashes and conflicts with the geography and with the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

If FYRoM was ever to be permitted to appropriate and assume total usurpation of the Macedonian name for their new country, nationality, language and ethnicity on an exclusive basis...the Greeks would automatically lose in an instant and at a stroke, something primordially Hellenic - a good causal reason for the Greeks to take-up arms, to fetch back to Hellenism something that was given without their consent or permission.

FYRoM is not Macedonia and those who attempt to establish it as such have the Greeks to contend with.

Long Live Hellas - My Country, My Nation, My Family, My Honour, My Pride...Make Me Proud!

From a regional-geographic perspective, one can fully understand why a South-Slav from FYRoM would want to be known as a Macedonian...however, it is a bit of a stretch for them to project that Identity back to classical-antiquity.

Slavic peoples leap-frogging themselves back to a historical time period their ancestors were wholly absent from smacks of egoism, pseudo-historical egoistic revisionism. FYRoM's anti-Hellenic propaganda in this regard is viewed by the international diplomatic community as being something rather loathsome, something objectionable and something quite distasteful.

FYRoM's desire to monopolize the name flies in the face of what is actually known about Macedonia - that Macedon was an ancient-Greek Kingdom, and that Macedonians are a regional historical people-group of ethnic Greek stock.

Evidently there is a bit of a clash, with what has been recorded in the mainstream historical narrative and a bit of a conflict, regarding FYRoM's Slavic parent-ethnicity.

To ask from the learned peoples of this world - the international academic community and the international diplomatic community to accept FYRoM as a Macedonian Nation and the [ex-Yugo] Slavs there, as the legitimate heirs and inheritors of the ancient-Macedonian legacy is asking for the impossible.

Those who know Macedonia know Hellenism has endured in Macedonia and the Haemus [Greek] peninsula for more than 3 Millenniums.

Greek-Hellenic culture has endured...

1 - Persian excruciations
2 - Celtic invasions
3 - Roman occupation
4 - Hunnic barbarity
5 - Ostro-Gothic treachery
6 - Slavic settlement
7 - Pope inspired crusades
8 - Catholic betrayal
9 - Turkish domination

...covering a time continuum spanning many thousands of years.

Greeks survived to tell the tale...Greeks preserved Hellenism, the Greek-Hellenic language and culture into the modern era.

Who got the front, the gall or the bottle to Rubbish This:

The Abduls Mehmetins and Gorans or the Hermans Jurgens and Gunthers!

FYRoM's one-time Western backers sponsors and supporters were the same ones who employed some Runt(s) to script these
words.

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.

Whoever scripted these words about Greeks was absolutely right...

...the Greeks are the most anarchic and the most difficult peoples to tame - the last amongst the European Millieu of Peoples to take freedom seriously.

To the Runt(s) who put these words together I say This: Molon Lave!

Nick, you are a piece of jewelery. Remember this: Anti-propaganda is the best form of propaganda.
Keep doing your job in promoting the greek insecurity about Macedonia. For that effort, I congratulate you!

Why do the modern-peoples of ancient-Paeonia try to pass themselves off as Macedonians and their land as Macedonia ?

Here we are talking about FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs. They attempt crudely, to usurp the Macedonian-name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes even though it is known, that they are neither Macedonians nor their land Macedonia.

The lands North of Mount-Barmous and Mount-Orbelos is where ancient-Paeonia lay, where the ancient-Paeonians lived...to their South they faced the Greeks from Macedonia, and to their North they faced the Illyrians from Dardania, where Kosovo is situated today.

Paeonia was a country that was peopled by NoN-Greeks. King Phillip II of Macedon, Alexander the Greats father took control of Paeonia in 359 BC and Hellenized the area over the course of time.

Paeonians were probably an intermediate peoples somewhere between Thracian and Illyrian, who along with the Hellenes formed the 3 autochthonous root-races that were native and indigenous to the Haemus [Greek] peninsula.

Thracians Illyrians and Hellenes...their sub-groups, sub-sets and derivatives peopled the Haemus peninsula during antiquity and probably from primordial inception - Paeonia is the place where they blend
amalgamate and coalesce.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs speak Slavic now, but they may have spoken Paeonian before Hellenization. Their ancestral forebears from since 359 BC, learned to walk like Greeks and talk like Greeks courtesy of King Phillip of Macedon until the coming of the Slavic tribes to the Haemus, when they had no option but to Slavicize under the sheer weight and numbers of the newcomers.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs do have a past in the Haemus...not as Macedonians, but as Paeonians. The genes they carry with admixture prove native to the Haemus - they speak Slavic but look Mediterenean, not that dissimilar from their immediate neighbours.

Thracians Illyrians and Hellenes - in any combination, formed the ancient-peoples of the Haemus...elements from them and remnants of them can be found in todays modern-peoples, the ones that live their now.

If it is true, that all of us stem from the same common Haemus gene-pool, then we owe it to the ancient-Greeks who brought us together under their cultural-linguistic space and influence.

Paeonians were neither Greek nor Slavic - they just learned to walk that way and talk that way...like the peoples of FYRoM do today.

Nation building aka FYRoM style is probably the crudest most shabbiest example ever undertaken by a peoples wanting one, since the concept of nation-state became the entities of choice for the replacement of expired, defunct Empires.

FYRoM's attempts at acquiring a brand-name can be likened to a comedy of errors, where the central theme of mistaken-Identity is seen to lead to somewhat comical but catastrophic consequences. It's funny watching FYRoM construct the building blocks of nation with the artifacts of mistaken Identities...funny but catastrophic in the long run.

FYRoM's attempts at acquiring a history for their new Slavic-country is likened in the same manner - a comedy of errors!

Sure, the name dispute between FYRoM and Greece is petty, until that is, it is your name that is being used without your consent, and in ways which undermine your fraternal links to it, your historic-rights also. A dispute over a name may seem petty, trivial, ridiculous and unimportant, but only to the Ignorant, because only Ignorance gives way to expediancy. FYRoM attempts to usurp the Macedonian-name in order to apply it to Slavic-speaking peoples who's Serbo-Bulgarian ancestors did not know this name when they first settled the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century A.D.

Nation building aka FYRoM style - shall go down in history as the worst, most crudest anti-Hellenic action ever undertaken by a Slavic country against Greece...it shall go down in history as the worst case example, building a Nation from a disparate-mosaic of differing ethnic-groups.

FYRoM's Theme-Park approach to advancing National-Identity at the internal domestic level, brought out some home grown critics of the venture, but it was at the regional level where it had the most effect.

The conversion of Skopje into a Balkan style Disneyland Wonderland had mixed reactions across the region, with Greece being the most vocal and the most disapproving. At the International level, FYRoM's efforts in the
construction and display of some gigantic statues of ancient-Greek hero's were viewed with some dismay and discomfort. International support for FYRoM faded in an instant, it diminished quite significantly.

At the domestic-level, regional-level and International-level...FYRoM's attempts at projecting and marketing their National-Identity by the construction of giant plinths to house potent and powerful figures associated with another-peoples, namely ancient-Greeks and Medievil-Bulgarians, were criticized at all of them.

FYRoM's mix and match approach to marketing their much covetted Macedonian National-Identity, on the basis of that modern Skopje Theme-Park model...projects them, as a somewhat intermediate-peoples, a cross somewhere between ancient-Greek and Medievil-Bulgarian, which is not that far removed from the biological and demographic reality.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs maybe the resulting amalgam of some interaction [[by force][by free will]] between Greco-Romans wanting to protect their Byzantine Empire from the invader, and the Slavo-Bulgarians wanting to settle it. That scenario of events may have produced an intermediate population there, where FYRoM is situated right now - a cross somewhere between Greek and Slav, with consciousness and collective-memories to both ethno-linguistic cultures.

One thing we know for sure though, actually it's two things:
(i) The Macedonian-Name belongs in the Greek domain and (ii) Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage...these are the two main principle anchors, two principle academic reference points that cannot be undone, on the basis, there is abundance of accumulated material evidence scattered internationally which tie the Macedonian name to Greeks and Hellenism.

FYRoM's partial-Greek and partial-Bulgarian connections have their limitations!

I would say that most peoples in most nations really do care about maintaining tradition. I would say, most peoples in most countrys really do care about matters pertaining to cultural-inheritance, historic-rights and cultural-heritage.

I would say that most peoples in the world today, really do value their ages-old ways and traditions...unique-customs, belief-systems and behavioural patterns developed in the past but passed-on, generation to generation from their immediate ancestral maternal-paternal forebears.

I would say, maintaining tradition is important for national-pride and social-cohesion, when in the face of strong political pressures to dismantle them for multiculturalism, the host-culture gets trampled-on in the name of modernism cloaked under globalism.

Under immense pressures, the Greeks try to maintain as much of the old ways as possible, jealously guarding their national-history and heritage...a cultural-inheritance passed-on from their immediate ancestral forebears. Greeks are not the only ones that overtly defend and protect their ways, culture and traditions: Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Hindus, Persians, Chinese and Japanese do it too.

Like the Greeks...Armenians, Jews, Hindus, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components - name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association - were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia. Source: Anthony D. Smith British Professor Emeritus of Nationalism and Ethnicity LSE, Nationalism and Modernism, 2003, Cambridge University Press.

There has been a Hellenic presence in the Haemus [Greek] peninsula from since the primordial beginning. Greek culture and traditions have been passed-on from generation to generation for milleniums.

FYRoM's attempts at taking from the Greeks, elements from their cultural-heritage in order to pass those elements off as their own, riles the Greeks - as it would rile any peoples, any country, any nation that jealously guards their national-history and cultural-heritage.

Most peoples in most nations see the Greek positions holding the moral ethical and academic higher ground. FYRoM is seen internationally as the usurper of Greek history - something which has done them much harm.

If one considers the Greek civil war 1946-1949 was fought over the question, the geographic-region of Macedonia would fall to the Soviet block in the Communist east, federated into Yugoslavia...the Greeks could be forgiven for having concerns that today, FYRoM might, in the future, lay claim to the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon which is part of Greece and constitutes a large part of Northern-Greece. The Greeks did not have to waite very long before those concerns manifested themselves. Flags and Maps of Greek-Macedonian territory were displayed incorporated into the national boundaries of FYRoM under the heading OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.

It should be noted here, that FYRoM by itself is no threat to Greece but becomes one, when the Slavs united in Ideology agitate for more territory. After the devastations of WWII, Greece entered straight into another War - an Ideological War termed the Greek Civil War. More Greeks died in this War than in the previous one. Greeks witnessed Slavs from neighbouring country's penetrate Greece, surreptitiously to aide the Greek Communists tear
Macedonia away from Greece and place it into the Slavic camp. United Communist Ideology Greeks proper, and Greek citizens from Slavic-heritage plotted together to fight against the legitimate Royalist government of Greece and lost!

This is the backdrop scenario under which the FYRoM - Greece name dispute should be considered. The Slavs of FYRoM have reason and motive to despise Greeks...a large number of them had to flee after the Civil War or face criminal proceedings, charges of treason and crimes against the state. They have deep issues with Greece for not allowing them, Greek-citizens from Slavic-heritage to return back to their homes in Greece. The peoples of FYRoM are bitter with Greeks, Greece and Hellenism, they have reason to be, some are the progeny of disloyal Greek citizens who fought for a foreign power against Greece, their own country of birth. Greeks could never trust them ever again.

Communists ruined Greece - Greeks-proper and Greek-citizens from Slavic-heritage were willing to see Greece break apart for Communist heaven...where the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon would be incorated into a Communist Slav-Macedonian State, legitimized by a token Greek presence there to fascilitate the scripting of a history and a heritage connecting Macedonians to both Greeks and Slavs. The whole proto-Slavic Macedonian psuedo-historical narrative was scripted to Trash Greeks and Rubbish their history.

Along with the Armenians, Jews, Persians, Hindus, Chinese and Japanese - Greeks share more in common with their ancestral forbears than say, the vast majority of modern people-groups do with their avowed ancestors. Take FYRoM for instance - the peoples there are undoubtedly Slavic, akin to Serbians and Bulgarians...socially-engineered and ethnically-manipulated to call themselves Macedonians, but Macedonians that have nothing in common with their ancient name-sakes.

The ancient-Macedonians were a Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples, the modern-ones the same...yet the peoples of FYRoM have been brainwashed to self-Identify and self-determine as Macedonians in the ethnic-racial sense and cultural-linguistic sense, when it is known, those Identity factors do not match with the ancient ones. On language, on geography, on race, on ethnicity, on culture - FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs have nothing in common with the ancient-ones.

FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs have been brainwashed by the state,
Indoctrinated on Makedonism, an outdated Slavist based expansionist Ideology which teaches young Slavic children there to see themselves as Macedonians and to see ancient-Macedonians as Slavs.

FYRoM's so called Macedonian-Identity is an Indulgence, it
rests on the twin alters of deception and revisionism, the foodstuffs which nourish and sustain their existence - without them, the FYRoM cause withers and dies into obscurity.

It is a deception to name FYRoM to Macedonia...when the geography there is Paeonia to the learned scholarly academic
world.

It is a deception to name a Serbianized Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language...when it is Serbo-Bulgarian to the learned scholarly academic world.

It is an Indulgence to name a South-Slavic peoples ethnic-Macedonians...when it is known they are Slavic and foreign to Macedonia.

Residing in Paeonia for 1,400 years, from since the 6th Century AD, does empower any Slavic peoples to name themselves Macedonians in the ethnic and racial sense.

Macedonians have been Greek-speaking Hellenic-poeples from since the primordial beginning - we No share our regional-tribal names with Greek-hating peoples.

Greeks are Macedonian by geography and by heritage, by language and by culture - Hellenic one and all...FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs cannot boast these connections and expect to be taken seriously. On geography they are Paeonians, on heritage they are Slavic, on language they are Serbo-Bulgarians and on culture, they share the same one with the rest of the South-Slavs. They became Macedonians in 1945 on the sheer will of those Communist-Slavists who demanded it.
Initiated during the last years of WWII by Soviet era expansionist policies, Makedonism continues to this day, perpetuated in FYRoM by the hapless, simple-minded, poorly educated, largely indoctrinated descendants of raw Communists, who had eyes for Greek coastal waters that would give them access to the Aegean Sea. To this day, the mindset in FYRoM is that of, Macedonia is Slavic land and the Greeks only set-foot there in 1913. They believe Macedonians were proto-Slavic peoples, they also believe that their Serbo-Bulgarian language is the same one spoken in antiquity by Alexander the Great. Macedonians for them have always been Macedonians and never Greeks.

These peoples are dangerous...not to Greeks but to their own children pupils and students who walk the streets thinking Greeks stole their land, their history and their heritage. For them, Greeks are the enemy!

Five major conflicts were fought in the greater-Macedonian region from the turn of the past century. On each occasion the Slavic peoples there tried to take Greek territory by standing on the shoulders of stronger Allies: First with Bulgarians, then with the Central Powers, consisting of Germans, Austrians, Hungarians and Bulgarians [link to en.wikipedia.org] then with the Axis Powers, consisting of Germans, Italians and Japanese,
[link to en.wikipedia.org] and then finally with Tito's Yugoslavia, consisting of federated South-Slavs.
The United States and the free democratic European powers always stood by Greece in these conflicts. So it came as a huge blow to Greeks when in November 2004, the GW Bush administration recognized FYRoM as RoM, breaking with the tradition of supporting Greece and making American foreign policy appear double-sided and vulnerable to criticism, opening up questions over the integrity and credibility of that decision. Later, it was put down to poor, substandard ill thought-out advice but the damage had already been done.

To recognize a Slavic country like FYRoM as a Nation of Macedonians, when it is known, Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples was a major blow for Greeks,
but what has it achieved in the long run - other than to bolster the ego of the Slavs there to go for the Cherry and claim the Illustrious history and heritage of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity...now look at the Mess we are in!

Greeces Western-partners and European-cousins backed FYRoM for one thing and one thing only - to integrate the young fledgling country into the Western-worlds most prestigeous economic and security structures of the EU and NATO...the Idea would have fascilitated stability in the Balkans and paved the way for the planning of future energy-routes that were being mapped to criss-cross the peninsula from sources originating in Central-Asia. The Greeks in their wisdom, allied themselves to Russian energy-routes which aided the FYRoM cause further, in the eyes of the West. From the Western-perspective, Russian dominance in the energy sector
would have placed Western-Interests in the region at a disadvantage.

FYRoM's Western-backers, sponsors and supporters were willing to see Greece suffer the consequences straying away from the Western [NATO] Track. Greece had to go through the
Indignation of having to defend it's National-Character from the barrage of insults being aired and sent to print in Western Press and Media circles. The assassination of the Greek National-Character went into full swing - the Greeks went from being Friendly and Welcoming, God-fearing, Church-going, Family-orientated Southern-Europeans to Loathsome-peoples, Lying, Cheating, Lazy Southern-Europeans.

Greeks watched their National-Chracter being assassinated in Western Press-Media circles before their very eyes. On the back of the name-dispute with FYRoM, every Greek-hating Man and his Dog contributed something anti-Hellenic to put the Greeks down.

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.

Looking back...the attacks on Greeks and Hellenism were carried out in the name of globalism - to get the Greeks to Conform to the plans Western Mind-Architects had in store for the Balkan [Haemus] Peninsula. When things were not going to plan, going too slow and too cumbersome, Greece was attacked in a different way - fiscally. In a concerted effort, the Greek economy became the target of the Prospectors and the Speculators, the now Politicized Banking Fraternity went for the Greek Jugular, they Fleeced the Greek economy to ruination in the name of Conformity.

But look now - that Greece is now wired-in to the new vision for Europe, given the loans it needs to build anew...means Greece has reached a level of conformity deemed suitable for the West to keep the country on-side and on-track. As for the Greek peoples, well, they have always been anarchic and difficultu to tame - the last of the European Millieu of peoples to take freedom seriously.

This is true for both Greeks and Slavs - Macedonia and Vardarska-Banovina are both regional place-names attributed to administrative-districts. In this context they are quite acceptable, but they are unthinkable as sovereign state-names...Macedonia for the Greeks and Vardska-Banovina for the Slavs. FYRoM finds Vardaska-Banovina undesirable for sovereign state-name whilst Greece finds it disrespectful that a newly established neighbour-country should want to usurp a Greek-Hellenic regional-tribal name for sovereign state-name.

The peoples of FYRoM have absolute inalienable sovereign-right to name themselves the way they want, the way they wish, and the way they see fit, but one could argue that it is an abuse of that right to take the name of another-peoples, a name that is already in use and attributed a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.

Considering past sensitivities and the historical baggage the two peoples have over the region, the decision to opt for the Macedonian-name appears to be opportunistic. In the Greek view, FYRoM's attempt at usurping the Macedonian-name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity is seen as a form of vindictive payback...one upmanship for the perceived wrongs inflicted on them from since the turn of the last Century.

FYRoM went for the Macedonian-name because it had the opportunity to do so - under the cover of the UN charter of human-rights.

To equate Macedonian-Identity with any peoples other than Greeks, is being mischievous, unless specifically stating their affiliation or parent-ethnicity alongside the term Macedonian. Greeks are Macedonian on the basis, they were the original creators of the name...Macedonians for Greeks are part of the Hellenic collective of peoples, their name cannot apply to racially different peoples in the ethnic-sense, or cultural-linguistic sense.

Are the Greeks being unreasonable - I dont think so!

Are the Slavs of FYRoM being Mischevous - I think so!

The ancient-Kingdom of Macedon in Northern-Greece is bigger in territory than the whole territory of FYRoM. More than 2.5 Million peoples self-determine with Greek National-Identity and Macedonian regional-Identity.

More than 2.5 Million Greeks live on real Macedonian soil whilst 1.2 Million Slavs live on real Paeonian soil. For Greeks, the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon is the only real Macedonia - FYRoM sits on Paeonian-Dardanian lands that were renamed Macedonia II Salutaris by the Romans. For the Greeks, those lands do not constitute real Macedonian territory. The latin-Romans distinguished the Kingdom of Macedon with the reference "Macedonia-Prima" meaning the first and foremost Macedonia.

Recap - FYRoM is Paeonia and Dardania in ancient geographic terms...real Macedonian soil as described by Strabo the ancient-geographer, in his book "Fragments VII" is to be found in Northern-Greece.

Question: Under what conventions or protocols should FYRoM be awarded a name they have zero connections to.

Those who support FYRoM should ask themselves - How can they consolidate their support for FYRoM with what is known about Macedonia and Macedonians...that Macedonia is Greek territory and Macedonians integral to the Hellenic Collective of peoples.

Greeks are not being unreasonable in wanting to keep the Macedonian-name in the Greek domain, neither are they being unreasonable when they say that Macedonian-Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

No European Nation would willingly relinquish one of their ancient and archaic regional-tribal names in order to fascilitate the Nation building efforts and self-determination aspirations of a neighbouring country that is seeking to establish an Identity for itself. Even if pressured to do so, it is beyond comprehension that a European country would voluntarily do that, in order to appease political expediency. FYRoM's choice for sovereign state name is problematic on two basic points:

Problem Number 1 - FYRoM's choice adopting the Macedonian-name for sovereign state-name, raises the issue of usurpation...appropiating the cultural-heritage associated with a neighbouring peoples, without their permission or consent.

Problem Number 2 - FYRoM's usurpation of the Macedonian-name would constitute the basis for staking exclusive-rights over the entire geographical area of Macedonia...in essence, FYRoM would Monopolize a geographical term which straddles over 4 countrys - an area FYRoM is only 38% attached to and responsible for.

For Greeks, this is a major insult, that a newly emergent country like FYRoM seeks to establish itself as a Nation of Macedonians at the expense and exclusion of Greek concerns.

For Greeks, it is a major blow to watch our Western-partners
and European-cousins give this abomination of a country the time of day, to belittle Greeks, to ridicule Greece, and to humiliate Hellenism.

Greeks reserve the right to defend and protect the National-history of the Hellenic-Republic - Macedonia constitutes a large part of that history.

Greeks cannot permit a NoN-Greek peoples to adopt for usurpation, the Macedonian-name...an ancient and archaic, regional-tribal name used in the Hellenic world long before FYRoM's Slavic ancestors set-foot on Macedonian soil.

Broadly speaking, the general profile of a FYRoM [ex-Yugo] Slav goes hand in hand with the way they themselves self-describe in their own language. Makedonski-speaking Makedonci from Makedonija is the way they self-Identify, but never to foreigners, just to other-Slavs, which tansliterates into Macedonian-speaking Macedonian from Macedonia.

Greeks would be happy to accept these Identity-factors as a means to an end, to end the name-dispute between FYRoM and Greece which is still on-going even after 22 years of talks attempting to resolve the issue. The Slavs of FYRoM prefer, insist on the Anglocized profile rather than the Slavic one they themselves use.

It must be stressed - Greeks respect Slavic-peoples and admire Slavic contributions to world history, but our respect falls short of having to relinquish parts of our cultural-heritage to appease the national-Identity issues and self-determination aspirations of our nearest Slavic neighbour.

FYRoM takes things from Hellenism which never belonged to them in the first place...this riles the Greeks and Greece, as it would rile any European from any European-country!

Broadly speaking, FYRoM is a Slavic country with Slavic heritage and Slavic self-Identity - the Macedonian-Identity they covet, for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity does not bold well with those Slavic attributes.

Unless the peoples of FYRoM articulate their Slavic-Identity and accentuate their Slavic-heritage within the framework of a greater geographic regional Identity, nobody shall take them seriously.

Being Macedonian today means different things to different peoples - all Macedonians though, owe something to the ancient-Greeks...all Macedonians should show respect to the host-culture of the Haemus [Balkan] peninsula.

There are more self-taught classicist-historians in FYRoM than anywhere else in the world - almost 80% of the population there profess to know more about ancient-Greeks than their time-served certificated Western counterparts.
Almost every other person in FYRoM acquired the skill and the ability to recite the works of Homer almost word perfect, but for the few misinterpretations deposited there.
FYRoM's state sponsored Slavist-schools teach one type of history and one type only - Pseudo-history! their version, the wrong version...the FYRoM version. Everything you ever wanted to know about Hellenism and the ancient-Greeks, simply ask a FYRoM ex-Yugoslav, they profess to know everything there is to know about the Hellenic-peoples.

In FYRoM, they profess to know alot about Greeks but next to nothing about themselves...like where they come from, where they originate, who their ancestors were. FYRoM's [ex-Yugo] Slavs are a South-Slavic peoples with roots and connections to the earliest known Slavic-tribes that first settled the Greco-Roman world back in the 6th Century AD. Like their language, their heritage is Slavic but the peoples there believe it is Macedonian with roots and connections to Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. State sponsored propaganda in FYRoM has churned out generation after generation with a belief system they are the true descendants of the ancient-Macedonians.

What to do...???

Do Nothing - just sit back and watch them do their Silliness
until they do something so extreme, so ridiculously Silly, the Slavic race will simply reject them from their collective. No Slavic peoples are that Silly they confuse the ancient-Macedonians with FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs!

Macedonia:What the Macedonians did for Hellenism

Hellenic-Macedonians try to protect their Macedonian culture and Identity from being assumed, appropriated and usurped by a small recently established Slavic-Statelet that somehow managed to gain support and backing for their cause from radicalized sponsors East and West.

In the face of strong multifaceted attempts to de-Hellenize Macedonians, the Hellenic ones fight hard to keep their name in the Greek domain. They fight equally as hard to keep their Identity assigned to Greek heritage. Macedonian culture and Identity are not Slavic...go ask the Hellenic-Macedonians that still live in the historic region of ancient-Macedon in Northern-Greece.

I admire them, praise them and commend them for standing-up to forces both political and clandestine...an alliance set-up for purpose to detach Macedonian culture and Identity from their primordial Hellenic ancestral base.

A small number of compromised Western classicist-historians added voice to the pseudo-history that was being scripted to cast doubt on the Greek-Hellenic credentials of Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity. Those descending voices have since been silenced by an impressive number of International-scholars who were willing to put pen to paper to endorse academically, the Greek-Hellenic Identity of the ancient-Macedonians from antiquity, nullifying in an instant opposing views.

I appreciate and respect the Hellenic-Macedonians for fighting hard to defend and protect their culture and Identity from being assumed, appropriated and usurped by the peoples of a newly established Slavic country, home to Slavic-speakers in search of Identity.

I salute the Hellenic-Macedonians for resisting hard, multifaceted initiatives attempting to erase them from the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula. What the Hellenic-Macedonians did for Hellenism cannot be assigned to Slavs and pseudo-history. On their command - I fight with them, for them. On their command - all Greeks shall fight with them, for them!

Annointing yourself with the name of your neighbour does not a Macedonian make. The Slavs of FYRoM are good people, but they are not Macedonians. Their Slavic ancestors were simply not around, nowhere near the ancient-Kingdom of Macedon during ancient-times. Slavs entered the history books relatively late, they set-foot on Byzantine soil after the Goths and after the Huns, at the top-end of the 6th Century AD.

Annointing yourself with the name of the region does not a Macedonian make. The Slavs of FYRoM believe they are Macedonians on the basis, they have lived there for 1400 years, from since the settlement of the first Slavic-tribes. In their minds, they have been there long enough to take the name...they see nothing wrong with annointing themselves after the name of a histoic-region, an ancient and archaic regional-tribal name long attributed to ancient-Greeks.

The Slavs of FYRoM have no historical connections to the region or to the ancient-peoples of it - the Greeks do!

The citizens of FYRoM have a bizarre fetish with history that has very little to do with their own. Their own history actually goes hand in hand with the Bulgarian one up to the year 1913, and then from there, it goes hand in hand with the Serbian one, up to the coming of Comrade Tito, the Croatian Communist dictator of WWII wartime Yugoslavia.

On his will, did their Bulgarian-language get Serbianized in 1944 and renamed to Macedonian-language. On his will, did the creation of a Peoples Republic of Macedonia come into being in 1945. On the commands of those Communist-Slavists who demanded it, a Slavic Macedonian entity appeared for the very first time in the history of Mankind. There was never a Macedonian language or country in the Slavic world until 1944 and 1945 respectively.

Annointing yourself with the name of a historic-region long established with a neighbouring-peoples is bad enough, but what made it worse was the way FYRoM wantonly Rubbished Hellenism and humiliated the Greeks in the process. They alienating a whole Nation of Hellenes and the global-Greek diasporas. They also alienated the International academic community, and the EU, USA, NATO to the point where FYRoM is shunned and kept at arms length, at a distance, until the peoples there learn the truth about themselves.

There are inherant flaws with Western-style democracies with the way they invoke human-rights and freedoms, we have FYRoM to thank for revealing them to us.

FYRoM showed us exactly what democracy means for them. For them, democracy means they can steal a neighbouring peoples-name and place-name. It means they can steal their neighbours history and cultural-heritage and then go on to claim territorial occupation...to show the world that the neighbours are Occupying FYRoM land.

Democracy for them means they can abuse the system for their benefit. FYRoM's newly found Western rights and freedoms appear to have empowered them to stake claim to a name and a history their Slavic ancestral-forebears had no connections with.

I say...It was a carefully weighted abuse of the self-determination right to have adopted the name Macedonia for their sovereign state name.

FYRoM knew full-well and in advance the Macedonian-name originated in the Hellenic-world from Greek-speaking peoples. To chose that name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity was an abuse of the self-determiantion right, on the basis, that name belongs in the Greek domain and the Identity belongs to Greek heritage.

There is no incentive for FYRoM to compromise on the name they freely chose for sovereign state name - they calculated that Western democratic rights and freedoms would favour them and their predicament above Greek concerns.

New emerging country's do have the sovereign right to call themselves by whatever name they like, but common-sense dictates that it must be done within a framework which does not deprive others from their own self-determination rights.

In the FYRoM case, the Slavs there want to use the Macedonian name for self-Identity and for self-determination purposes when it is known that Macedonians already exist as a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.


FYRoM's sovereign state name is Hellenic and still in use.
Hellenic-Macedonians have existed in the same place, as self-determined Greeks from since the days of King Karanus 808-778 BC.