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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 933282  United States04/03/2010 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Jenkins  User ID: 933060  Canada04/03/2010 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Demons ... demons like the Catholic Church better than the Protestant Church, because it is bigger and better. Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o. And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o. With a moo moo here and a moo moo there Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o. |
| Jenkins User ID: 933060 Canada04/03/2010 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyways, another important aspect is that those pastors are overwhelmingly heterosexual, with the pedophile priests were not. Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o. And on that farm he had a cow, ee-i-ee-i-o. With a moo moo here and a moo moo there Here a moo, there a moo, everywhere a moo moo Old MacDonald had a farm, ee-i-ee-i-o. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 933282 United States04/03/2010 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyways, another important aspect is that those pastors are overwhelmingly heterosexual, with the pedophile priests were not. Quoting: JenkinsYeah....sure....you don't believe that bullshit for one minute, do you? Those ministers are just as evil as those priests who do shit like that....the ministers are worse because they can marry where the priests can't. |
| Seamus User ID: 853975 United States04/03/2010 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyways, another important aspect is that those pastors are overwhelmingly heterosexual, with the pedophile priests were not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933282Yeah....sure....you don't believe that bullshit for one minute, do you? Those ministers are just as evil as those priests who do shit like that....the ministers are worse because they can marry where the priests can't. I agree with your post and your points until this last one. How is one human raping an 11 year old boy 'worse' than another human raping an 11 year old boy? 'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.' Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' 1850 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 933449 United States04/03/2010 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyways, another important aspect is that those pastors are overwhelmingly heterosexual, with the pedophile priests were not. Quoting: JenkinsDon't smear all priests with the guilt of a few. All religions have their share of perverts, hypocrites, and evil ministers. It's just as unfair to condemn all priests for the evils of a few as it is to condemn all protestant ministers for the evils of a few. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 483033 United States04/03/2010 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with your post and your points until this last one. Quoting: SeamusHow is one human raping an 11 year old boy 'worse' than another human raping an 11 year old boy? Because one is Protestant and one is Catholic. OP is attempting to justify the fact that his/her church condones RAPING CHILDREN by pointing out other religions condone child raping as well. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 933449 United States04/03/2010 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree with your post and your points until this last one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483033How is one human raping an 11 year old boy 'worse' than another human raping an 11 year old boy? Because one is Protestant and one is Catholic. OP is attempting to justify the fact that his/her church condones RAPING CHILDREN by pointing out other religions condone child raping as well. You know as well as I do that the OP is merely pointing out that Protestants have as many sick fuckers as Catholics do. He also pointed out that protestant pastors can get married and there is absolutely no reason for them to be perverts. You don't want to admit this because you are probably one of those bible-thumping rednecks. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 739895 United States04/03/2010 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are three psychological reasons that people become pastors. The need for Love, the need for Power and the need for external control. It is the need for power and external control that is the problem. The need for power types are the ones that screw members of their congregations while the Need for external control types are the ones who like the little kids. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 463061 United States04/04/2010 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same way with the older veterans. Protestants think they run this Country because they also do not follow the U.S. Constitution because they have their double standard or justice according to their veterans. Then the catholic ones don't like it and then proceed to think they can have their own vigilantte type action against civilians. As one that was attacked and can prove it, they think they can continue like a President Nixon to - Cover It Up. No, God may not agree and in the process it is them who have let in the Debil. And that is why this Country is wrong, and getting worse all the time because they think they blame it on civilians and they (veterans) are not any better, in fact, if they do not have a piece of paper, they think they can append the fact after they decide to do their whims again. Whatever they claim is not from God or Christ in my opinion, and they think they can do anything they wish. Just like some Pastors and Ministers. Throw them all out, and tell them that they do not decide who's going to Heaven or Not, and their ritual rules they don't even follow with their Double Standard, and crimes against others. Hooking people on their way of thinking, is just Evil, and especially when it is drugs or anything else, both veterans and civilians have done that and one or the other is not better. They are what they are, and they do not pay fines, because of it (especially veterans) and that crap in this Country has to go, and it may be going according to some stating that the only thing that they been praying to is the Debil. Fools are fools, and with their spending and giving theirselves jobs, they are just plain Evil and not right or correct for the majority of people in this Country. Lie detector test they will never take. I have and passed. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Were they prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Quoting: biff 928228As well they should be. If only the Catholics were also prosecuted by the law. As most Catholics have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I don't know what you are trying to infer. Surely you are not naive enough to think that Catholics are some how exempt from the law? How in hell does that work? What utter nonsense! But one thing that would have helped greatly all along is if people wanting to make such a claim against a Catholic priest would have gone to the law instead of to his boss asking for money instead of justice. And is the word of someone saying they were abused forty years ago sufficient for a conviction and ruining many otherwise blameless lives? How do you know they are ALL being truthful? Just take their word for it and dish over the millions and billions of dollars as has been happening all along? Why don't we ever see the Southern Baptist Association forking over millions for some of their ministers sexually abusing children? Why is it only Catholics that get hit with the million dollar law suits when everything else is identical? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 643026  United Kingdom04/04/2010 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rabbis can marry but there are cases of paedophilic rabbis. Imams can marry and some of them are paedophiles. I expect there are buddhist and hindu paedophiles as well. There are definitely a lot of atheistic paedophiles who are married. A paedophile is a paedophile no matter what his/her religious or non-religious leanings are. |
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| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was just thinking about that orphanage on the Isle of Jersey that they were digging for bodies at only a couple of years ago. No Catholics there and dozens of victims to corraborate each others' stories and claims. Yet the victims were basically told to go away and STFU. You remember the place where all the bigwigs from the UK and EU went and basically could rent a kid and take them out on boats, etc. Yet nothing was done about this because it was deemed to be bad for Jersey tourism! Big cover up there as well but since no Catholics involved, not as much fun to hate on those responsible. And that was NOW and the people involved for the most part are still living unlike so many of the claims against Catholic priests. One set of rules for Catholics and another for everybody else who commits the very same crimes. Well, Christ warned us that His Church would be persecuted just as he was and I guess this is why the Protestants are always trying to scapegoat their own crimes off on Catholics. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hundreds and hundreds of children abused by Southern Baptist Ministers and especially those "Youth Ministers" and yet no one sues the Southern Baptist Association. Intereesting, isn't it? And I have never heard of one member of that Association turning anybody over for prosecution and it sure can't be because they don't know because they do the very same thing the Catholic Church did and move them along elsewhere to be somebody else's problem. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 934288 United States04/04/2010 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hundreds and hundreds of children abused by Southern Baptist Ministers and especially those "Youth Ministers" and yet no one sues the Southern Baptist Association. Quoting: BluebirdIntereesting, isn't it? And I have never heard of one member of that Association turning anybody over for prosecution and it sure can't be because they don't know because they do the very same thing the Catholic Church did and move them along elsewhere to be somebody else's problem. I agree, how any parent could send their kids to one of the baptist youth camps is beyond me,unless they are knee deep in pedophilia themselves,sick world |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hundreds and hundreds of children abused by Southern Baptist Ministers and especially those "Youth Ministers" and yet no one sues the Southern Baptist Association. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 934288Intereesting, isn't it? And I have never heard of one member of that Association turning anybody over for prosecution and it sure can't be because they don't know because they do the very same thing the Catholic Church did and move them along elsewhere to be somebody else's problem. I agree, how any parent could send their kids to one of the baptist youth camps is beyond me,unless they are knee deep in pedophilia themselves,sick world Yes, I think there are fewer than 300 cases against the Catholic Church in this country and that list has 823 against protestants. That's almost three times as many. And notice how a large percentage of them are Baptists of one stripe or another. And yet no one is calling for the head of the Southern Baptist Association to be prosecuted. Why not? It's the same thing. And as I said, I personally have known of "Youth Ministers" being transferred constantly! Maybe it's because Catholics are not so quick to bash back and do try to only act where there is absolute proof which was not the case so often with priests after 40 years. Maybe we need to point it out each and every time some church official acts in this criminal manner so protestants will stop ignoring their own who do this and using the Catholics as a scapegoat for all of it. They would like for the world to think it peculiar to Catholics when that is just not the case and not even the majority of the crimes. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| biff User ID: 928228 United States04/04/2010 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Were they prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536As well they should be. If only the Catholics were also prosecuted by the law. ___ As most Catholics have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I don't know what you are trying to infer. Surely you are not naive enough to think that Catholics are some how exempt from the law? How in hell does that work? What utter nonsense!  Show me the prosecutions. There have been none, only an official apologise. Just large payouts, often followed by the victim commiting "suicide".Here's one who got a slap on the wrist: 1983, after admitting in court that he sexually assaulted a teenage boy, the Rev. Carmine Sita of St. Aloysius Church in Jersey City was sentenced to five years of probation. He was also told to visit a treatment center for priests in New Mexico. Sita stayed at the center. But soon afterward, he was not Carmine Sita anymore. At age 38, he legally changed his name to Gerald Howard and was allowed to become a parish priest in Boonville, Mo., in the Diocese of Jefferson City, church officials said. Within a year, he had begun abusing another teenage boy, according to lawyers for that person, who is now in his late 30s and living in Virginia. [link to www.nj.com] Suicided: Priest Sex Abuse Victim Found Dead The Associated Press An ex-Marine who was one of the first from Delaware to reveal sexual abuse by a priest has died, days after getting a settlement from the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington. Attorney Steve Neuberger says Douglas McClure was found dead Thursday in an RV parked at an Eastern Shore campground. McClure had been camping since Tuesday when he signed a $1.5 million settlement in a sexual abuse civil lawsuit. McClure alleged the Rev. Edward Carley sexually abused him weekly for two years, from the time he was eight until he was 10. [link to www.aboms.com] Church Abuse Victim McSorley Found Dead Patrick McSorley, an alleged sexual abuse victim of defrocked priest John J. Geoghan is seen speaking during a news conference in Boston in this June 30, 2003 file photo. It was McSorley's first public appearance since recovering from a near-drowning incident in the Neponset River earlier in 2003. McSorley's attorney, Mitchell Garabedian, announced Monday, Feb. 23, 2004 that McSorley was found dead early Monday, and the cause of death is not known. [link to www.encyclopedia.com] That's one a small sample of the corruption of the Roman institution |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's an entire website dedicated to sexual abuse withint the Baptist Church: This little light of mine ... I'm gonna let it shine" This "little light" shines for the many clergy abuse victims whose voices have been silenced. Silenced by shame. Silenced by the false instruction of religious leaders. Silenced by church shunning and bullying. Silenced by church contracts for secrecy. Silenced by suicide. The mission of StopBaptistPredators.org is to break the silence of Baptist clergy sex abuse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Baptist situation may be no better than the Catholic, only shielded more deeply from view." David Gushee, professor of Christian ethics, Mercer University Read more > Arkansas: Principal & coach at Southern Baptist church school is charged with sexual assault of teen Both the senior pastor and school superintendent told police they had received prior complaints about the principal's "inappropriate behavior" with students. The first complaint was 11 years ago! [link to stopbaptistpredators.org] You can go there and read endless cases and cover ups. The very things they scream the loudest about Catholics are in their own midst but they are A-OK as long is it's not a priest involved. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
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| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Were they prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Quoting: biff 928228As well they should be. If only the Catholics were also prosecuted by the law. ___ As most Catholics have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, I don't know what you are trying to infer. Surely you are not naive enough to think that Catholics are some how exempt from the law? How in hell does that work? What utter nonsense! Show me the prosecutions. There have been none, only an official apologise. Just large payouts, often followed by the victim commiting "suicide".Here's one who got a slap on the wrist: 1983, after admitting in court that he sexually assaulted a teenage boy, the Rev. Carmine Sita of St. Aloysius Church in Jersey City was sentenced to five years of probation. He was also told to visit a treatment center for priests in New Mexico. Sita stayed at the center. But soon afterward, he was not Carmine Sita anymore. At age 38, he legally changed his name to Gerald Howard and was allowed to become a parish priest in Boonville, Mo., in the Diocese of Jefferson City, church officials said. Within a year, he had begun abusing another teenage boy, according to lawyers for that person, who is now in his late 30s and living in Virginia. [link to www.nj.com] Suicided: Priest Sex Abuse Victim Found Dead The Associated Press An ex-Marine who was one of the first from Delaware to reveal sexual abuse by a priest has died, days after getting a settlement from the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington. Attorney Steve Neuberger says Douglas McClure was found dead Thursday in an RV parked at an Eastern Shore campground. McClure had been camping since Tuesday when he signed a $1.5 million settlement in a sexual abuse civil lawsuit. McClure alleged the Rev. Edward Carley sexually abused him weekly for two years, from the time he was eight until he was 10. [link to www.aboms.com] Church Abuse Victim McSorley Found Dead Patrick McSorley, an alleged sexual abuse victim of defrocked priest John J. Geoghan is seen speaking during a news conference in Boston in this June 30, 2003 file photo. It was McSorley's first public appearance since recovering from a near-drowning incident in the Neponset River earlier in 2003. McSorley's attorney, Mitchell Garabedian, announced Monday, Feb. 23, 2004 that McSorley was found dead early Monday, and the cause of death is not known. [link to www.encyclopedia.com] That's one a small sample of the corruption of the Roman institution You are lying. And I am not going to do your research for you but just as a sample, see that John J. Geoghan in the last paragraph you misconstrue above? Here is what happened to him: A roundup of coverage and comment on the killing of John Geoghan. Other news NCR is watching Aug. 27 John Geoghan, a former Boston priest convicted of sexual abuse who was forcibly laicized in 1998, was bound, gagged and strangled Aug. 23 in his cell on the protective-custody unit of a Massachusetts state prison. [link to www.nationalcatholicreporter.org] Just so everyone knows you are a liar and that many of these, at least the ones still living have been convicted and some on very shaky evidence of one word against another. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many? Maybe a thousand in the US? Compared to how many thousands of pedophile priests? Puhleaze! Quoting: INK 931639I know of no global accounting but that list on the front page contains more than there have been cases against Catholic priests in this country. The Southern Baptist Association in 2008 REFUSED to start or construct a database and did so as an organization. Talk about a cover up! It was suggested to address the problem it is so rampant and the church leaders REFUSED. This is the same thing the Catholic Church is being so maligned for doing. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 930508 United States04/04/2010 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many? Maybe a thousand in the US? Compared to how many thousands of pedophile priests? Puhleaze! Quoting: BluebirdI know of no global accounting but that list on the front page contains more than there have been cases against Catholic priests in this country. The Southern Baptist Association in 2008 REFUSED to start or construct a database and did so as an organization. Talk about a cover up! It was suggested to address the problem it is so rampant and the church leaders REFUSED. This is the same thing the Catholic Church is being so maligned for doing. That's because the abuses of priests are covered up, information stalled until after the statutes of limitations pass, victims are forced to swear to secrecy or refused help, and so on. I.e. all the cover-up stuff you've been hearing about. So the fact that the Protestant offenders were caught and prosecuted is a good thing, and what is missing from Catholic sexual abuses of priest cases. |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many? Maybe a thousand in the US? Compared to how many thousands of pedophile priests? Puhleaze! Quoting: INK 931639There is no database for these crimes and so the number is unknown but considering how many Protestant denominations there are, stand so reason to me that they have more. Half the time you can't even find the denomination in the news coverage when they are arrested much less details on which church they represent. But if it's a Catholic priest, that will be the first thing mentioned. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many? Maybe a thousand in the US? Compared to how many thousands of pedophile priests? Puhleaze! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 930508I know of no global accounting but that list on the front page contains more than there have been cases against Catholic priests in this country. The Southern Baptist Association in 2008 REFUSED to start or construct a database and did so as an organization. Talk about a cover up! It was suggested to address the problem it is so rampant and the church leaders REFUSED. This is the same thing the Catholic Church is being so maligned for doing. That's because the abuses of priests are covered up, information stalled until after the statutes of limitations pass, victims are forced to swear to secrecy or refused help, and so on. I.e. all the cover-up stuff you've been hearing about. So the fact that the Protestant offenders were caught and prosecuted is a good thing, and what is missing from Catholic sexual abuses of priest cases. Not according to this site for Baptist victims. It says they commit suicide, are forced to keep silent and all the other forms of cover up just as you accuse the Catholic Church of doing. [link to stopbaptistpredators.org] It alleges that the Baptists cover up every bit as much as Catholics and in the very same ways. Oh, but we don't want to hear about that so just ignore it and continue with the rampant Catholic bashing and trying to pretend it is a problem only Catholics have. Last Edited by Bluebird on 04/04/2010 05:21 PM One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States04/04/2010 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many? Maybe a thousand in the US? Compared to how many thousands of pedophile priests? Puhleaze! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 930508I know of no global accounting but that list on the front page contains more than there have been cases against Catholic priests in this country. The Southern Baptist Association in 2008 REFUSED to start or construct a database and did so as an organization. Talk about a cover up! It was suggested to address the problem it is so rampant and the church leaders REFUSED. This is the same thing the Catholic Church is being so maligned for doing. That's because the abuses of priests are covered up, information stalled until after the statutes of limitations pass, victims are forced to swear to secrecy or refused help, and so on. I.e. all the cover-up stuff you've been hearing about. So the fact that the Protestant offenders were caught and prosecuted is a good thing, and what is missing from Catholic sexual abuses of priest cases. Quote from article on cover ups by Protestants: Consider how many have likely been hurt. Based on published news accounts, 42 women made accusations against Gilyard. Some of them were mere college students.Now 2 underage teen girls have reported Gilyard. That’s a total of 44. And that’s just the ones we know about. How many more were so traumatized that they stayed silent? Yet, even in the face of so many published accusations, “Gilyard is said to be preaching and teaching at another church in Jacksonville.” So where are the voices of Paige Patterson and Jerry Vines now? These two former Southern Baptist presidents were plenty willing to use their powerful voices to promoteGilyard. Why aren’t they now willing to use their powerful voices to get Gilyard out of the pulpit? [link to stopbaptistpredators.org] One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
