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why do so many people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?

 
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It's the name itself. That they aren't Sally or Bob, they are Jehovah's Witnesses. As a title for their identity, used formally instead of in context with doing anything authentic. It's fake; I hate fake. One can be a witness for Jehovah without being a Jehovah's Witness. It's like if I took the name "Water" and made it into a registered trademark, so when people thought of water, they are reminded of how I trademarked such a name, the trademarking spoils the life of the word.

That trademarking that spoils the words and their meanings, it goes for more than JWs. Denominations, blech.
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After years of observation, I'm truly inclined to say.. maybe they really are who they are.. At least I've never seen any other christian denomination that fulfills the biblical prerequisites for true christians. And the Jesus clearly says that his true followers would be hated. So, looks like a pretty damned good confirmation.

On top of that, there's how they handled the first and second world wars - more than one military or government representative was impressed by their piety and sincerity, just like many ongoing examples today. Officials are always astounded when the hold their assemblies.. there can be anywheres upwards of 60000 people in a stadium and not a single case of theft, rude behavior or violence and they leave the stadium cleaner than it was when they arrived.

I've read lots of interviews of all sorts of personages including hard-core atheists that vouch for their integrity and if they were ever to "choose a religion" it would be "theirs" because there's no hocus pocus involved and reflects a sensible way to live, even if the "rest" were'nt true.

To adress a few issues of biblical criteria they fulfill:

- They really do what the Bible says
- They use the Bible exclusively to answer questions that arise in Bible study, only using historical records and don't philosophize or project dogmas (as the Bible says you should do)
- They pray to the Father (YHWH, "he who causes to become() through Jesus and not to some unnamed God that could be just about anything out there
- They preach profusely and for free
- They preach about the BIBLE and the GOOD news of the coming kingdom of Christ, and not the details of how Satan's system works (Don't load you down with crap like some other "christian" sites etc. I've seen in the 'Net)
- They are politically neutral (No JW ever voted or engaged in an act of terrorism or war - like Jesus commanded)
- They meet regularly, as the Bible says (many "christians" don't even go to church any more)
- There is no hierarchy within their organisation except for strictly organisational purposes, there are no people "holier" than you, so to speak. No Bishops or Popes that are "closer to God than you will ever be"...

Jesus said, you will recognize his true followers "by their fruits"...
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My M-i-L and S-i-L are both JW's - converted from Catholic.

Have they become better people since?
Have they lived better lives since?
Are they more grounded, at peace, get along with others better since?

NO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 932455


Gee.. I'm going out on a limb here, but I'd say a good catholic is a pretty good base for a JW to start out from.
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Yeah, a lot of JW's are nice people. Nice people that don't believe Jesus is God. They can do their thing, I'm just saying it isn't Christian.

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14
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Padre Pio would consult with anyone of any religion except the Witnesses. They deny the Holy Spirit. They deny immortal souls.Of the 144,00 who will be saved, according to them, 100% will be white male virgins.

The guys who come to my door usually have a CIA vibe. And very limited knowledge of the Bible. I'm not a Bible thumper, but these guys are biblically challenged, and seem to expect everyone else not to realize it.
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Thank you humbird and Padre Pio, whoever you are. Now I KNOW the JWs are who they say they are.

"They deny the Holy Spirit. They deny immortal souls.Of the 144,00 who will be saved, according to them, 100% will be white male virgins."

ROFL. Epic fail. No, no and no.

And biblically challenged again, ROFL. Did a 4 year old preach to you? somebody that was a year with them? Try that with one of their elders, their Bible Kung-Fu is strong.
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My dad says they don't allow blood from strangers to their children who desperately need blood or something like that
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Yeah, a lot of JW's are nice people. Nice people that don't believe Jesus is God. They can do their thing, I'm just saying it isn't Christian.

"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14
 Quoting: idunno 1002475


Also not true.

Fact is, a versed JW will confirm this, Jesus is *a* God just like Satan is a God even possibly our (as Humans) direct creator BUT not THE GOD OF GODS, the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS - JEHOVAH (YHWH)

I feel that quoting Paul there is unappropriate..
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for the German speaking: [link to www.spiegel.de]
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I come from a generational family of JW's (great-grandparents on one side, grandparents on the other), here's some inside info most people don't know.

The Witnesses aren't a religion, but a corporation. They are The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc., and they have predicted Armageddon numerous times. First they said 1914, then 1918, then they said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, etc would be resurrected and fleeced their flock out of money to build a mansion for them (but really the mansion was for the leaders of the corporation). In the late 1800's and early 1900's they believed in Pyramidology, the study of the pyramids to extrapolate biblical events.They proclaimed until the 1950's that Jehovah resided in the star system Pleiades.

In the 70's, they advised their flock in their publications to sell their homes because Armageddon was coming in 1975. When that failed, they had many people leave. Up until the late 80's, they sold the Watchtower and Awake magazines door to door, but were forced to switch to a 'donation' only method after they almost got their tax exempt status revoked.

They are a cult that is mentally and emotionally abusive to children. I know this first hand. They even print their own book which is a supposed "history" of the religion, but which whitewashes all of the failed prophecies of Armageddon. When asked how a religion that was made so many false prophecies isn't a false prophet, they refer to the biblical passage of "The Light gets brighter and brighter", implying that they were mistaken because we are simply humans interpreting God's word, and that false prophecies does not make one a false prophet.

It's truly circular logic that they employ.
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Also, when I was 10 years old, I had a run-in with a lawnmower, and lost my big toe and half my second toe on my left foot. My parents were ready and willing to let me die had I been in need of a blood transfusion. Luckily though, I didn't lose too much blood and was able to live, despite the cult's teachings.
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I despise them because my life was saved by a blood transfusion. These blinded people would let a child die rather than let him/her live by receiving blood. That is why legal intervention is necessary to prevent such child abuse. They twist the Biblical verse that we should abstain from eating/drinking blood, to mean that a transfusion is a sin.
Sad and sick...

They are a joyless group who will not even celebrate Christmas or birthdays in their misguided narrow interpretation of the Bible.

Nor will they permit their children to recite the Lord's Prayer in school in areas (such as parts of Canada) where the school day begins with the reading of this prayer over the loudspeaker system. JW children not only will not participate in this prayer (even though it is in the new Testament as Christ's guidance for appropriate prayer and they claim to be Christian, which they most certainly are not!) but they will not stand quietly during the prayer and some children are forced by their parents to leave the classroom and stand outside the door in the corridor when the prayer is being recited.
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- There is no hierarchy within their organisation except for strictly organisational purposes, there are no people "holier" than you, so to speak. No Bishops or Popes that are "closer to God than you will ever be"...
 Quoting: r1GGs



This is total BS. They have what's called the 'Governing Body', and group of old men that rake in profits of the corporation they run, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. They are charlatans. The local churches have 'Elders', essentially priests who have full control over the lives of their flock, dictating who they can associate with. My own brother wants desperately to be inducted into their cult headquarters at Bethel, NY, where he'll work for free in their factories producing their magazines. My cousin is continually harassed by the Elders because she married/divorced a "worldly" person, someone not in the religion, and had a child with him. They are always threatening to "Disfellowship" her and have her family shun her forever if she doesn't routinely attend their brainwashing meetings 3 times a week.
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i see them out in the street,a big gang of them,scheming with each other,picking which homes they will hit,you take that street,we'll take this street,and they try to force their way into your home,no one invited them around,so they should be treated as intruders.
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It's the name itself. That they aren't Sally or Bob, they are Jehovah's Witnesses. As a title for their identity, used formally instead of in context with doing anything authentic. It's fake; I hate fake. One can be a witness for Jehovah without being a Jehovah's Witness. It's like if I took the name "Water" and made it into a registered trademark, so when people thought of water, they are reminded of how I trademarked such a name, the trademarking spoils the life of the word.

That trademarking that spoils the words and their meanings, it goes for more than JWs. Denominations, blech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 934692



This is partially incorrect. Officially, they are NOT Jehovah's Witnesses, but rather the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc, they are a corporation, not a religion. Jehovah's Witnesses is just the title they use when trying to fleece hard working people out of their money as 'donations' for their magazines.
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Well, hate is a strong word, but...

Any one who is dumb enough to beat on my front door the entire time I take a 20 minute crap deserves what happens when I open it...

some things just can't be forgiven.



PLUS they smell weird..like that Goodwill smell..if you were blind folded and some one took you into a Goodwill, you could smell where you were..

That, my prior post, and the fact they act like pod people pretty much sums it up.
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You beat me to it! I was just going to comment that the last one here had that SMELL. Like old dust mite dung and something spoiled mixed with fabric softener. Zits all over his plump greasy white pale sweaty face; YICK.

BTW have you ever seen a picture of Chas Russel's gravestone? Former Mason.......my ass! He was from the same opium inporting Russel family that started Skull and Bones and employed and sold to the Bushes, Chenenys,Roosevelts, Delanos, Rockerfellers,etc.etc.
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Re: why do so many people hate Jehovah's Witnesses?
For anyone that's truly interested in the behind the scenes happenings of this corporation (The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc), one of the former members of their 'Governing Body' eventually saw the error of his ways and wrote a book called 'Crisis of Conscience', I'd highly recommend checking it out. This thread has a lot of falsehoods about their corporation (I know, being from a generational family of JW's), but most of the misinformation is about their doctrinal teachings. But doctrinal teachings are just semantics, the true dirt on them is the behind the scenes politics of the corporate board, the Governing Body, and all the failed prophecies throughout the last 125+ years.
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My dad says they don't allow blood from strangers to their children who desperately need blood or something like that
 Quoting: Dusty 462458


That is correct. Even their own blood because the Bible says not to. IMHO it is, biblically speaking, somewhat of a gray area, although their views are indeed justified. U
Ultimately its a matter of personal decision. Contrary to popular belief, no one is "pressured" into anything, for what its worth, I've witnessed such a situation personally.

Furthermore, top physicians will tell you flat out that they always take a blood transfusion as a last resort. Bloodless is the gold standard.
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My dad says they don't allow blood from strangers to their children who desperately need blood or something like that


That is correct. Even their own blood because the Bible says not to. IMHO it is, biblically speaking, somewhat of a gray area, although their views are indeed justified. U
Ultimately its a matter of personal decision. Contrary to popular belief, no one is "pressured" into anything, for what its worth, I've witnessed such a situation personally.

Furthermore, top physicians will tell you flat out that they always take a blood transfusion as a last resort. Bloodless is the gold standard.
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As someone who experienced the possibility of being allowed to die at the hands of my parents, I disagree with you. They ARE pressured into letting their children die, or else be 'disfellowshiped', ie ex-communicated. When I had an accident with a lawnmower at age 10, my parents were ready to let me die so that they wouldn't lose their group of friends at church. Thankfully I didn't lose too much blood, otherwise I wouldn't be here posting all this dirt on the JWs (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc.)
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For anyone that's truly interested in the behind the scenes happenings of this corporation (The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc), one of the former members of their 'Governing Body' eventually saw the error of his ways and wrote a book called 'Crisis of Conscience', I'd highly recommend checking it out. This thread has a lot of falsehoods about their corporation (I know, being from a generational family of JW's), but most of the misinformation is about their doctrinal teachings. But doctrinal teachings are just semantics, the true dirt on them is the behind the scenes politics of the corporate board, the Governing Body, and all the failed prophecies throughout the last 125+ years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 867542


That was the first "anti-JW" book I ever read (handed down from my stepdad), hoping to reinforce and convince myself that they are full of crap. Under scrutiny, however, his tirades really didn't hold up. I met Raymond Franz's brother at conventions few times.

I grew up between atheism (Fatehr) and the JWs (Mother) and have spent much time figuring out which side is correct. I have'nt had anything to do with JWs for the last few years but the sum of evidence is leading me to the conclusion that they are what they are. I have yet to find any real reason to doubt such, and in trying to doubt and getting to the bottom of many writings of "anti-JW" people, I'd even say it was they that are largely responsible for leading me to such a conclusion..
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I do not like being solicited in my home. If I desired to know, I would go to their church and ask. My home is my sanctuary.
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THIS^^^. I don't HATE them...just find any and all solicitors...live or on the phone...annoying.
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I don't hate them, but I don't want to talk to them. If I wanted to join their religion, I'd go to them. Otherwise, they should leave me alone.
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They waste their own time and everyone else's. They don't even celebrate Christmas.
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Christmas isn't even Christian.
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They waste their own time and everyone else's. They don't even celebrate Christmas.


Christmas isn't even Christian.
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I just have to add...discounting JH's because they don't celebrate Xmas is stupid--Xmas isn't christian either. Some of the most tolerant people i know are JH (and no I'm not one) but we don't even talk about religion.

Yes they follow the beliefs of a person but so do evangelicals they're just too dumb to realize it. Most evangelical teachings are based on Martin Luther, John Wesley, or someone like that. JH's are doing no different.

Saying evangelical christianity is correct because it's accepted in certain circles is also dense. Sorry but it's true.

Good thread. I feel like ripping on xtians tonight...lolol
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Man! all I can say is watch them when you do business, I have got scewed twice by them, They have a weird way of looking at the truth.
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because they ring my door even though i have a prominent sign saying NO SOLICITORS

and they get in my way on street corners downtown

if i wanted to join their mindless cult i would find my own way to 'kingdom hall' i don't need them at my door
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They killed my sister.

Thats why I hate them.

They catch massive amounts of hell when they knock on my door, and yes the stupid bastards have also infested Moldova.

My sister got sucked into their stupid cult... when she needed a blood transfusion to save her life..she refused it and died.
All because of some fixation they have about not "mixing blood". One little passage in the bible they fixated on and it has ended up killing who knows how many people.

They killed her plain and simple.
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I don't like them because they are trying to "sell you" without money ... something you are not looking for.
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mean-asz, and cruel.....
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The first thing! They do NOT know what they are talking about. By their standards, it isn,t GOD, it is Jehovah. When you die you do not go to heaven you stay on earth. If you are evil (By Gods standards you go to hell theirs you stay on earth. The really twister is YOU are in hell now. What about the people who has S**t loads of money and has some one who becons their calls. To me that isn,t Hell. Those people are the nutties peole on earth. They are NUTS!!! They need to take all of them to some deserted island and leave them. They wouldn,t have the sence to find their way back.

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