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1978 scientific paper from NASA Astrophysics Data System , "Is the Solar System Entering a Nearby Interstellar Cloud?"

 
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i WANT to know

i will not be a happy bunny if the first I know about it is a roaring thunder that doesn't stop and the fillings in my mouth melting!
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I would rather not spend my last short life in fear.
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Thanks for the link to here Sickscent. yes, despite popular opinion, secrets 'can' be kept.

Keep up the good work. amazing stuff you are doing.
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+1. Enjoying your finds.
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There has been no definite date. A likely time-frame has been said to be by the end of the year.

They cannot predict a firm timeline because of the nature of the phenom.
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bump because we need to be more aware of what may be about to happen.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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There has been no definite date. A likely time-frame has been said to be by the end of the year.

They cannot predict a firm timeline because of the nature of the phenom.

bump because we need to be more aware of what may be about to happen.
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+1
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Great FInd, SS 5a
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Great FInd, SS 5a
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The paper says they did not expect contact for 10^4 (100,000) years, so it's no wonder that no one expected it now!
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do you think Cern might be an effort to get the sun to go ultra active, to inflate the 'bubble' artificially while we go through the densest part of the cloud?

remember that vid?

when that woman said the heliosphere could go WITHIN the earth's orbit?

obviously that would be very VERY bad for us.

perhaps they are trying to use some secret tech to irritate the sun into pumping out mega amounts of matter in an effort to push against the cloud?
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The paper says they did not expect contact for 10^4 (100,000) years, so it's no wonder that no one expected it now!
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No, it doesn't say that. It says, "...an encounter with a cloud might not only affect nuetrino flux release from the Sun but also have some drastic influence on the terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years...

...The observations and analyses mentioned here suggest the presence of a very close interstellar cloud which should encounter the solar system in the "near" future. However, the complexity of the interstellar medium is not completely understood, it would not be surprising if the situation is far more complicated than indicated in this paper."
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do you think Cern might be an effort to get the sun to go ultra active, to inflate the 'bubble' artificially while we go through the densest part of the cloud?

remember that vid?

when that woman said the heliosphere could go WITHIN the earth's orbit?

obviously that would be very VERY bad for us.

perhaps they are trying to use some secret tech to irritate the sun into pumping out mega amounts of matter in an effort to push against the cloud?
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ummm, if she has mathematical models to back this up, I might believe it. Well, no, I probably wouldn't...

But, why the hell would you want the sun to go 'ultra-active'? It would fry the earth...
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do you think Cern might be an effort to get the sun to go ultra active, to inflate the 'bubble' artificially while we go through the densest part of the cloud?

remember that vid?

when that woman said the heliosphere could go WITHIN the earth's orbit?

obviously that would be very VERY bad for us.

perhaps they are trying to use some secret tech to irritate the sun into pumping out mega amounts of matter in an effort to push against the cloud?


ummm, if she has mathematical models to back this up, I might believe it.

But, why the hell would you want the sun to go 'ultra-active'? It would fry the earth...
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now, did i say i WANT it?

hmmm?
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.
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do you think Cern might be an effort to get the sun to go ultra active, to inflate the 'bubble' artificially while we go through the densest part of the cloud?

remember that vid?

when that woman said the heliosphere could go WITHIN the earth's orbit?

obviously that would be very VERY bad for us.

perhaps they are trying to use some secret tech to irritate the sun into pumping out mega amounts of matter in an effort to push against the cloud?


ummm, if she has mathematical models to back this up, I might believe it.

But, why the hell would you want the sun to go 'ultra-active'? It would fry the earth...

now, did i say i WANT it?

hmmm?
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LOL, well not you, but you as in anyone...
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.
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I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.


I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.
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Ah, the irony of being in the dark about the light.
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.


I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.



Ah, the irony of being in the dark about the light.
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... and the irony of taxes paid but information withheld ...
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... and the irony of taxes paid but information withheld ...
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Isn't that the kicker?
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.


I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.



Ah, the irony of being in the dark about the light.


... and the irony of taxes paid but information withheld ...
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And all the effort TPTB put into their future comforts and stabilities, gone by a mere cloud.
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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.


I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.



Ah, the irony of being in the dark about the light.


... and the irony of taxes paid but information withheld ...


And all the effort TPTB put into their future comforts and stabilities, gone by a mere cloud.
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and that, at the end of the day, is the absolutely FUNNIEST part of the whole deal!

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Fantastic info op.

Thanks!
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I don't mean to distract, because I believe there is good reason to be concerned about the "local fluff" NASA has told us about, but are there any fellow Trek fans here that remember the Generations movie about a huge wandering ribbon in space? I continue to be amazed at what things in good ol' Star Trek keep coming eerily true.



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Here is the admission of same:

NASA admits to 2012 Problem on FOX News

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at the end of the day, we are feeling around in the dark here for answers, and ALL possibilities are on the table.


I am right there with you, but some things on the table are more probable than others.



Ah, the irony of being in the dark about the light.


... and the irony of taxes paid but information withheld ...


And all the effort TPTB put into their future comforts and stabilities, gone by a mere cloud.


and that, at the end of the day, is the absolutely FUNNIEST part of the whole deal!

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LOL. How FRUSTRATING!
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It's far more than just a "cloud". An unprecidented influx of previously unknown comets and asteroids began in the 1990s, and continues.

On the radio, [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com] astrophysicist said that the influx of debris must be related to some heavy gravitational object out there, and that new telescopes have been placed at the southpole to monitor the direction of influx.

It may not be planet x or nibiru, but something's out there. The sun has been bashed repeatedly by new comets since the late 1990s, which is why the cycles are unpredictable now.

Don't bother running for your lives, there's no escape.... DOOM! D-O-O-M !
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It's far more than just a "cloud". An unprecidented influx of previously unknown comets and asteroids began in the 1990s, and continues.

On the radio, [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com] astrophysicist said that the influx of debris must be related to some heavy gravitational object out there, and that new telescopes have been placed at the southpole to monitor the direction of influx.

It may not be planet x or nibiru, but something's out there. The sun has been bashed repeatedly by new comets since the late 1990s, which is why the cycles are unpredictable now.

Don't bother running for your lives, there's no escape.... DOOM! D-O-O-M !
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Yes. Even the original OP said there were 'objects' out there that they were trying to figure out if they were 'real'. Objects associated with all this.
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The 1978 article said that the cloud would cause anomalies in comet orbits, etc.

Maybe that's why a bunch have gone in to the sun lately.
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So...why all of a sudden, the "disclosure" hmmmm?


I think it is what the original OP to all this said. They want to leak it out to begin warning people. Just like he did, ie. gave us a wake up call!
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Sorry to be a pain but where can I find the original OP that keeps being mentioned?
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This link cuts to the meat...

Thread: <<< UPDATED 04/01/2010 >>> "All I can say is, many of you are close!!!" ***Our Changing Solar System Environment

Kudos to sickscent
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So...why all of a sudden, the "disclosure" hmmmm?


I think it is what the original OP to all this said. They want to leak it out to begin warning people. Just like he did, ie. gave us a wake up call!


Sorry to be a pain but where can I find the original OP that keeps being mentioned?
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Here is the original post. Thread: All I can say is, many of you are close !!!!

All of the OPs responses up to pg 41 are here: Thread: All I can say is, many of you are close !!!! (Page 41)
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Sickscent,
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Jay Weidner's latest article mentioning the solar event and the main reason we have yet to break this cycle of captivity here on Earth. I firmly believe we have the power to overcome any obstacle including the crisis we are facing right now. The time is getting very short, and as anyone can see, the SIHTF, it's just the masses are too bound up with fear and complacency to realise we can break this ugly cycle. Here is Jay's interview with Lance White part 2. Go to the link to read the whole interview. Makes for wonderful science fiction, yet if true, will make everyone wake up real fast.

from: [link to www.jayweidner.com]

Disclosure: Aryans, Mars
and the End of Days
An interview with Jay Weidner
Part 2

Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.

Lance: O.K. Good, good.

Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

But this group apparently knows all of the knowledge of the past, maybe as far back as several hundred thousand years. And they live here, on Earth; and they have lived here for a long time. But they've lived separately; until about 6, 000 years ago, they lived separately from us - some place on Earth, in a very nice place.

But, about 6, 000 years ago, the first of many alarms went off. And these alarms have to do with the advance of what we call the end of the Kali Yuga.

Now, the beginning of the Kali Yuga was right near the beginning of the Mayan calendar, 3114 B.C. And it was the beginning of cities and writing and kingships and slavery and women as chattel and animal husbandry and farming and wars and walled cities and writing and science.

And all those things actually began at the beginning of the Kali Yuga - not because we were getting better, but because we were getting worse.

But not only because we were getting worse but because there was something going on: the reason those things came into being is because this group - that are human, but are different - went into action, because the beginning of the Kali Yuga, 6, 000 years ago, the beginning of the Mayan calendar, was a signal.

A signal in a very long, long, long calendar - not 6, 000 years, but like 60, 000 years. And it said that the end of this age was going to come to an end, and the prophecy said that the sun would explode into gigantic solar flares, which would fry everything on Earth and cause huge Earth changes here on the planet.

And this group knew all of this, because they had been through it before and they kept accurate records. So they went into action; and they took a lovely planet, filled with tribes of hunter-gatherers, and they transformed it into civilization.

And they transformed it into civilization so that they could get out of here before the coronal-mass ejections hit. And that is what has been going on for over 5, 000, almost 6, 000, years.

It is a central organizing principle, decided and governed by a group that we don't even know who they really are, for purposes which until recently have remained completely hidden and secret.

And, they promised the managers that they're leaving behind, that they can have the underground shelters and everything; but I don't think that that's really going to help, because I just can't see how that could survive what is foretold.

And the secret space program and all of these things - flying saucers, and bases on the moon, and the Nazis and Joseph Farrell's great book on the alchemy that the Nazis were doing - this is all part of this group developing the technology for what I call "Project GOOD", which stands for "Get Out Of Dodge". And they're getting' out of Dodge, baby; and they're almost out.

And, if you follow the work of Ed Grimsley - I don't know if you know who he is. He has these night-vision goggles, and he goes out at night and he videotapes these craft that you can't see with your eyes. You can type him in on Google. On YouTube, they've got a few astounding videos that he's taken of the gigantic craft.

And that's the story. And I figure I might as well get it out now, because you never know when it's going to be too late.

Lance: Absolutely. Now, of course, some people attach names to these unknowns. And I have read some accounts that these are some kind of Anunnaki/Atlantean lines, and then of course you have some kind of illuminati bloodlines flowing in there. But nobody really seems to know who they are, except that they're not –

Jay: Well, yeah, actually, we do. Yeah, well, they are the - Anunnaki is one of the words that they have. The Nephilim is another that they have.

These are words created by different cultures - the Hebrews, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Persians - to describe these people. OK? But their real name is very easy, because it describes where they go when they get out of Dodge. They're called the Aryans.

"Aryans" is just another word for "Martians", because Aries is Mars. They escape - at the end of the last Kali Yuga - I think, at the end of every Kali Yuga - the same cycle occurs every time; it may even be why there is a Kali Yuga.

They come to Earth after the Earth is healed from the gigantic coronal-mass ejections which occur; and they come back in their ships, and they repopulate the Earth. They may even take genetic strains with them, which is what the genome project is; they may take all the seeds with them, which is what the seed project is.

And they take it there; and they bury themselves under, because Mars is a pretty inhospitable place; and they wait for the Earth to recover. And they came back 60, 000 years ago, and they thought that the Earth had pretty much been wiped out. But a few groups had survived.

Native Americans had survived, by being in caves; and they tell those stories, about how hot - it was so hot that you stuck a stick out the cave opening and it lit on fire. The Chinese survived - somebody - one of those Asian groups must have survived, obviously. And some of the African survived.

So, when the Aryans landed, they kept to themselves. But they did have ships, and they went around; and they had an order that they couldn't have any sex with the remnants that were left behind. They could help them, teach them how to read and write and how to farm and all these other things; but they couldn't have sex with them.

But those Earth women and the way they move: they just couldn't resist.

So these are humans, but they went to Mars for a long time; and they lost the pigment in their skin, they lost the color in their hair, their eyes turned blue or green or hazel. They were tremendously big, because of the low gravity on Mars, when they landed here. Very advanced, super advanced - and they've been here for a very, very long time.

And they're leaving. They're going. They're leaving now. There are colonies - I know this sounds completely out of my mind, but I have proof for all this. There's colonies up on Mars; just type in "Hale Crater civilization" on Google, and read Skipper's work - Joseph Skipper's great work on the colony there, up in Hale Crater.

This is what's going on. This is the long and short of it. And, yeah, they live here; they actually lived once in Norway. That's where they lived, because they liked the coolness; they couldn't get used to the heat. And that spiral that exploded over Norway when Barack Obama was going to get his Peace Prize in Norway - yeah, well, that's their weaponry.

Here's the problem Obama faces. OK? These guys are leaving. They're getting out of here because they think that the coronal-mass ejections are coming. Alright? They're leaving, and they don't care who runs the United States anymore. They did up until last year. Now they don't care anymore.

And so Obama's7 sitting here, and he's got the remnants of their technology. He's got the stuff sitting around; right? And they're probably busily back-engineering the Aryan technologies; OK? And this is what's going on in Argentina and Chile, where they're raiding the tunnel systems.

This is the new world order; these are the managers that have been left behind. The new world order is not the Aryans; the new world order are the Aryans' left-behind managers.

Lance: Right; that would make sense.

Jay: Yeah. The Aryans think of themselves as the 'People of the Red', or 'the People from the Red Planet'. And, when Bauer changed his name to "Rothschild", which means "red shield", he was really signifying that he was the shield for this thing, this project, which moved into high gear at the beginning of the industrial age.

And everyone's thinking that they're deforesting the planet, raping the mountainsides, enslaving people, doing all this stuff, just because there's something that has gone out of control; but it isn't.

It's all the underpinnings of a huge, secret project to develop, quickly, colonies and ships and moving gigantic amounts of goods and services across the gap between here and Mars.

And that's the truth right there.

And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.

Lance: Oh yes, that's right. You briefly touched upon that the last time, I think.

Jay: Yes, this is all ancient texts, and these texts were from the Aryans and they told their story.

Lance: If they had the ability to go back and forth to Mars and further, I'm sure, isn't coronal mass ejection going to destroy Mars as well?

Jay: No, because they're going underground. First off, it will hit Mars but it won't be anything like what happens here.

Secondly, the problem with the coronal mass ejection - which I have to say, the film "2012" did a pretty good job of evoking - is that it is a huge electromagnetic blast which has a commensurate effect on the core of the Earth, which is heavily electromagnetic. So it causes a core flip.

OK, here's how it works. The poles of the sun rotate every 37 days. The equator of the sun would also rotate every 37 days, except that the angular momentum of the planets at the equator of the Solar System causes it to slow down, so it only rotates every 26 days, instead of 37.

Every 87 days, there is a crossing over of the magnetic field, as the 26 catches up to the 37 again. You follow me?

Every 87 days, there's a small electromagnetic crossing, which encases the sun in a tightly woven electromagnetic shell. After about 12-13, 000 years of this nonsense, the entire sun is bound in a huge receding-quickly magnetic field, which has a commensurate effect on the Earth's electromagnetic field, which also begins receding.

This is all happening right now with the loss of the sun spots and the Earth's magnetic field receding. It's a 13, 000 year cycle that we are right on the edge of and when the sun finally has to right itself, i.e., move its rotational fields back into sync again, which it has to do, there will be a huge electromagnetic storm which will go out way beyond the Earth.

It will be carrying with it gigantic coronal mass ejections, which will ignite the forests of the Earth and boil the oceans.

If you're underground, on Mars, well you have a pretty good chance of making it. There's no electromagnetic fields on Mars. There's no tectonic plates. Nothing's going to be spinning around and you just wait it out.

You just wait it out and maybe after a few hundred years, I don't know how long, when the forests grow back and the animal life comes back, then you mount your expeditions and you go back.

So we're building not only the expeditions that are going there, but we've been building for the last three hundred years the expeditions that are going to take them back here, too. Yeah, that's what's going on.

It recurs all the time. The Vedic texts and the Mahabharata, this is what they're discussing, including the gigantic ships, or arks, as they call them.

I want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying white people are Aryans. I'm saying that white people are the bastard children of Aryans and Earth people. You understand? They do not look like us at all. They're chalk-white. They're freakish-looking.

They're where the vampire myths come from because they can only come to the surface of the Earth at night. Their skin is so translucent that you can see the capillary system, so they look blue in certain kinds of light.

Lance: You know, there was a movie that was a remake of "War of the Worlds" and I thought to myself, "Well isn't this strange, for them to make this kind of movie where they're already underground, and those laser beams." Very prescient.

Jay: Spielberg has to know. When I saw that, I just went, "My God, he has to know." He has to know that they've been here the whole time and they are underground. That's exactly where they are.

And by the way, these other things that we see - and I'm not saying there are not other aliens, there could be; I'm not even going to argue that - but some of the other things that we've been seeing are their robotic creations.

They've been here, these robotic creations, for a long time. I don't know if they're robotic or genetic, I can't tell. Sometimes they're robotic, sometimes they're genetic.

Here's the thing Obama has to ask himself. He knows that these guys are leaving. He knows there's a disaster coming of some kind. They shoot a hyper-dimensional weapon over Norway while he's picking up the Peace prize and everybody's screaming and yelling, "Why does Obama get the Peace Prize, he hasn't done a damn thing."

I'm going to tell you why Obama gets the Peace Prize. He gets the Peace Prize if he doesn't shoot at them while they're leaving. Here's the problem that he faces, though, and this is a serious problem.

You're the Aryans and you're back on Mars waiting for the coronal mass ejection. You got the hatches buttoned down, everything, right? What is to prevent the elites that you've left behind from back-engineering the craft, that you've left behind - the ship - and coming after you and stealing your place? I know that sounds crazy –

Lance: No, to me it doesn't.

Jay: - and I'll tell you what. He's worried that they're going to attack us, and that's what that thing in Norway was about. These people are saying that these are benevolent aliens and stuff. You haven't read your history. The Aryans stormed down, they enslaved all of India, they created the caste system.

Lance: Every war has been created indirectly by this influence, hasn't it?

Jay: Absolutely. If you read Andrew Collins' book "From the Ashes of Angels," it's a great book. He talks about the history of these babies, these magical babies that are born after the Aryans and Earth women have had sex.. These babies are white and they have white hair and chalk-white skin, and some tribes were fearful of these children and they killed them.

But other tribes thought that these children were exalted beings and they raised them up into exaltedness in the tribe. These beings frequently had red hair; red hair because of the overabundance of iron oxide in the air on Mars causing red hair.

So they exalted these beings and these were the European tribes who exalted these beings. Read his books, they're very interesting.

Lance: I will, I'll check that out for sure.

Jay: On the other hand Africans have a history of killing albino children right when they're born. I don't know if you know that. They're considered wicked.

Tthey think that these children, the offspring of the Aryans, were wicked or there was something bad about them. This is a long tradition where they would get rid of these angel-demon children.

So the Aryan influences are more prevalent among the European-stock cultures and so they became the vehicles of the real Aryans, which have nothing to do with white people at all, actually, except for leaving behind some genetic trace..

And so that's what's been going on. Skull and Bones is part of this group. Michael Tsarian has traced a lot of these German groups back. The German groups are the key. Once you start back engineering the German groups, you can find everything.

The Saturnian Society, Aleister Crowley, all of the UFO stuff from South America. All this stuff is all intertwined into a cohesive story that makes total sense and gets rid of a lot of the gobbledygook.

But it's backed up and bolstered by very, very serious ancient texts, Purana texts and Vedic texts, which tell the whole story very clearly.

Lance: Huh! Well, how does that tie into the idea that there are different ages? In other words, do we ever get out from under the prison bars of some kind of highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization that controls us without our knowing? Isn't there supposed to be a Golden Age after the Iron Age?

Jay: Well, it is, and here's the thing. This is really the crux of the matter. What happens is is that through the long cycle of the Yugas, which is really called a Kulpa - which is all of the cycles together - there are so many deaths.

And as you approach the Bronze Age and the Kali Yuga, there are more and more deaths of violent nature.

And it takes thousands and thousands of years for bones to completely vanish. The Earth becomes haunted by an inescapable presence - called the 'Ka' in Egypt, which is a residual that's left behind. And the only way that you can have a Golden Age is for all of the Ka to be burned away so that the Earth is completely renewed.

And unfortunately these guys, these Aryans, broke the rules. They didn't want to die in the last catastrophe, which they had to do. That was part of the deal. The Earth can only be renewed if all of the Ka goes. And they escaped, and they went away.

And they kept all of the knowledge that had been gathered from the previous Kulpa, which we were also supposed to lose.

The only way for the Golden Age to actually incarnate is for the earth start out in a pristine state again. And they broke the rules.

And this is why Tsarion's work is so good because these guys broke the rules, and now we're just their slaves. Now racism has come into it. Whereas before there was no racism. Now there's racism. The Aryans think that the Earth peoples are too stupid, that the Earth peoples are too dumb.

And it's not dumb or stupid. They never had the advanced technology carried over from the Dark Age. . And this is the problem. So there has to be a cleansing of the earth so that it can be renewed. And they're not allowing that to happen.

And they keep bringing back the same genetic strains over and over when actually the Earth is constantly rolling the dice and searching for new genetic strains that it can use to embrace consciousness. The Aryans keep bringing back all the old genetic structures. Did you know that corn is a hybrid?

Lance: Yeah.

Jay: Corn is a hybrid. When they discovered corn, even to this day, it is a hybrid. Somebody had to have messed with it a long time ago.

Lance: Now it's all genetically modified.

Jay: Well, it is. And again you have to ask yourself why that's being allowed and why all the forests are being cut down and why...

Lance: Well, when what are the chemtrails and HARP?

Jay: Yeah. Those are to keep us away from seeing what is going on behind our backs, which is a giant evacuation. And they don't care about us anymore.

Lance: Wow! It seems like there ought to be some kind of higher authority that - let's just call it The Cosmic Patrol - that oversees what's fair and what's not fair. In other words, aren't there some kinds of higher more advanced ETs or civilizations or angelic realms or whatever that can put things straight?

Jay: We know as much as we know, and that's all we know. The Vedic texts say that the divas, which have been destroyed through this current Kali Yuga according to the text, have gone back to the Godhead.

They left thousands of years ago to travel back to the Godhead to tell the Godhead that the evil Archons, who are the Aryans, by the way, have taken over the entire planet and that they needed help because the divas have been driven off the planet. The divas, of course, are the nature spirits.

And as Tolkien shows us very clearly in the Lord of the Rings, Sauron and Sauraman are destroying nature to fuel and finance some mysterious project. And if you go back and look and see in history who Sauron is, it's obvious that Tolkien talking about Sargon. Sargon was the first real king of the Kali Yuga in Mesopotamia.

He started calendars. He started clocks. He started the workday. He started everything, and he was an Aryan. And so you can see that there's this regimented thing that starts entering in and removes us from the natural state of a highly advanced hunter/gatherer, which is really what human beings are.

And that's our natural state - very close to the Earth, no agriculture, all fresh foods, a lot of hunting, and a lot of gathering. Very spiritual though. Not a grunting life, but a wonderful beautiful life filled with meditation and a much higher standard of living, which was what was going on before the Aryans emerged.

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