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Obama's action's speak loud and clear on home schooler

 
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All my kids have been home schooled. Oldest started college at 16, and will have a math/physics degree before 21. Only one more year to go.. Yippie!

The crap about not enough social stimulus is by far the most common objection we heard (starting almost 15 years ago). And is only brought up by the most ignorant of home school curriculum, groups and events.

When our oldest reached high school age, it was obvious we needed help with math, and traded classes with other home school parents. Within the 100 or so home school families in our area, there is a deep enough knowledge pool to cover even advanced high school curriculum, and enough participants that field trips, dances, and prom are all covered.

All of my kids are doing great academically, and it's not because they were any brighter. They just had more focused attention, and more parents, friends, and encouragement.

Public school can not compete. Not even with a good private school. (which is what I would have done if we had the money)
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For the record, I homeschool my eldest daughter from the third grade on. She is now 18 and is in her first year of college, focusing on Asian culture (she can't decide if she wants to be a linguist or translator).

I am a tree hugging liberal who wanted Kucinich as my Presdient.

I agree that although there is diversity among homeschoolers, I can comfortably say the majority of them are Christian who homeschool for religious reasons. I can also say that I have seen many of these children and the do not socialize with others, even when given the opportunity to. Either they don't know how, or they are scared, or they've been taught something about "strangers" that I am not aware of. They stick very close to their parents and other siblings. They really have the mentality of, "Shun the non-believer!" Something very "children of the corn" about some of them.

The parents are far worse though. Some do not educate their daughters as much as their sons because they want their daughters to become nothing but submissive wives to rightgeous men.
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I disagree, you probally are talking about kids homeschooled imporperly. Proper homeschooling should always involve the worls as much as possible, what better place than with your family and friends can your child learn to socialize not only with other children but with older people as well, certainly not in school! 8 hours of chaos and interrupted learning, I am speaking for my area personally, a large city where the public school system lacks funding, has underpad teachers, and are cutting sports art and music. When schoolkids go on strike because theyre programs are being cut then THATS a problem! Sorry but I know alot of people who have homeschooled theyre children and I defintley see a brighter intelligence and more maturity at an earlier age, as far as socializing..no problems..Does this person you speak of keep the child in the house all day and homeschool? They should be making frequent trips to museums, aquariums, parks, etc. Sounds like the child is in a very closed off environment
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no one cares what barry's actions speak, he and his illegal actions have shot their wad already and no one gives a damn. we are taking our children back and we will raise them as we see fit.
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" A US Immigration judge has granted political asylum for a family from Germany due to persecution resulting from their choice to home school their kids.

It seems that the German government has an issue with parents who don't send their children to "state" schools, even going to far as to fine or jail those who do home school. (via the Washington Times...)


The Romeikes home-schooled their children in Germany and received fines totaling $10,000. On one occasion, Mr. Donnelly said,
police hauled their children off to school. In 2006, the Romeikes emigrated to Tennessee and continued home schooling their children. Mr. "

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homeschool = education
public school = indoctrination

choose one or the other.


Wrong, both are indoctrination, only difference if you homeschool your child you get to decide what they learn.


No, you are just as wrong. Education teaches how learn and think, indoctrination teaches what to think and how to submit to others "expert" leadership. Some homeschoolers are actually trying to teach our kids how to learn and process information and to think for themselves.
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thank you for that. i taught my children how to learn in the first couple of grades. straight A's after that. when they wanted to go to the big school i let them. they were friggin fireproof intellectually. unfortunately they dont have many people they can relate to and their friends are substantially older than they are. well, maybe not that unfortunate.

the schools teach a herd mentality. they teach the kids how to process information through what other people think. i have found most other people insane and not worthy of any consideration beyond polite respect of their humanity, whats left of it, and great empathy for their enslavement.
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homeschool = education
public school = indoctrination

choose one or the other.


Wrong, both are indoctrination, only difference if you homeschool your child you get to decide what they learn.


No, you are just as wrong. Education teaches how learn and think, indoctrination teaches what to think and how to submit to others "expert" leadership. Some homeschoolers are actually trying to teach our kids how to learn and process information and to think for themselves.
 Quoting: ADEND

Im sending my kid to private school starting this fall. I interviewed several schools but the one I selected was the only one that actually instructed in critical thinking and conflict resolution. This is in addition to STEM (science, tech, engineering, math.) I have never heard of any other school teaching critical thinking before. I about fell out of my chair when I was told that.
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All my kids have been home schooled. Oldest started college at 16, and will have a math/physics degree before 21. Only one more year to go.. Yippie!

The crap about not enough social stimulus is by far the most common objection we heard (starting almost 15 years ago). And is only brought up by the most ignorant of home school curriculum, groups and events.

When our oldest reached high school age, it was obvious we needed help with math, and traded classes with other home school parents. Within the 100 or so home school families in our area, there is a deep enough knowledge pool to cover even advanced high school curriculum, and enough participants that field trips, dances, and prom are all covered.

All of my kids are doing great academically, and it's not because they were any brighter. They just had more focused attention, and more parents, friends, and encouragement.

Public school can not compete. Not even with a good private school. (which is what I would have done if we had the money)
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Not even the Amish try to home school their kids. They hire a teacher.

Of course, some home schoolers do a wonderful job. Most, however do not and just use it as means of control. In reality it becomes isolating and too many of the kids just waffle around topics.

However, home schooling does produce one result: it proves that education really depends on the parents far more than it does on the 6 hours or so the kid spends in a classroom for 170 to 180 days a year.

A kid can go to school every day but if he never picks up a book at home, he is at a disadvantage. If mama don't read, ain't nobody gonna read.
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yeah Kid can't learn abount drug, sex and gangs at home wtf
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All my kids have been home schooled. Oldest started college at 16, and will have a math/physics degree before 21. Only one more year to go.. Yippie!

The crap about not enough social stimulus is by far the most common objection we heard (starting almost 15 years ago). And is only brought up by the most ignorant of home school curriculum, groups and events.

When our oldest reached high school age, it was obvious we needed help with math, and traded classes with other home school parents. Within the 100 or so home school families in our area, there is a deep enough knowledge pool to cover even advanced high school curriculum, and enough participants that field trips, dances, and prom are all covered.

All of my kids are doing great academically, and it's not because they were any brighter. They just had more focused attention, and more parents, friends, and encouragement.

Public school can not compete. Not even with a good private school. (which is what I would have done if we had the money)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667687

darn, i keep posting before typing!!!

its this herd mentality and the pressure of so-called peer groups that is the most damaging and disturbing. youre right, only the stupidest people raise the socialization aspect. just look at our society, for christs sake. that really working for us, eh?
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Not even the Amish try to home school their kids. They hire a teacher.

Of course, some home schoolers do a wonderful job. Most, however do not and just use it as means of control. In reality it becomes isolating and too many of the kids just waffle around topics.

However, home schooling does produce one result: it proves that education really depends on the parents far more than it does on the 6 hours or so the kid spends in a classroom for 170 to 180 days a year.

A kid can go to school every day but if he never picks up a book at home, he is at a disadvantage. If mama don't read, ain't nobody gonna read.
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Their kids get to attend until the 8th grade. Then their formal education is over. They can do what they like after that. And you really should know the basics by then. They probably don't homeschool anyway because of all the work they need to accomplish during the day. The curriculum is also decided upon by the Amish and the teacher is told what to teach. No higher education is to be considered at all unless you leave the order and lose your family because of shunning.
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For the record, I homeschool my eldest daughter from the third grade on. She is now 18 and is in her first year of college, focusing on Asian culture (she can't decide if she wants to be a linguist or translator).

I am a tree hugging liberal who wanted Kucinich as my Presdient.

I agree that although there is diversity among homeschoolers, I can comfortably say the majority of them are Christian who homeschool for religious reasons. I can also say that I have seen many of these children and the do not socialize with others, even when given the opportunity to. Either they don't know how, or they are scared, or they've been taught something about "strangers" that I am not aware of. They stick very close to their parents and other siblings. They really have the mentality of, "Shun the non-believer!" Something very "children of the corn" about some of them.

The parents are far worse though. Some do not educate their daughters as much as their sons because they want their daughters to become nothing but submissive wives to rightgeous men.


How ironic that your liberal / marxist prez will do away with your right to home school. bank on it baby.
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In Florida, and many other states, you can enroll your child in an umbrella school which is really a private school where the parent is the teacher. Some charge nothing at all and you pick your own curriculum and do not have to deal with the public school ever. They consider you a private schooler and not a home schooler.

I can't see homeschooling, private schooling, or umbrella schooling to ever be illegal as long as we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech. There are more than one million home schooled children in the USA and even more umbrella schoolers. The Homeschool Legal Defense Association keeps up with the laws and provides lawyers for home schoolers as well when you sign up for a low fee each year.

I would also like to see the public schools try to absorb more than 1 million kids if it did become illegal. They wouldn't be able to do it. They can hardly keep up with the kids they have right now. It would be mayhem.

BTW, many states now have public school at home. They give the kids computers if they don't have one and internet access. And of course they provide teachers. They still get funding and there are less kids in the classroom. Also there is much less indoctrination and the kids have much more freedom.
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Not even the Amish try to home school their kids. They hire a teacher.

Of course, some home schoolers do a wonderful job. Most, however do not and just use it as means of control. In reality it becomes isolating and too many of the kids just waffle around topics.

However, home schooling does produce one result: it proves that education really depends on the parents far more than it does on the 6 hours or so the kid spends in a classroom for 170 to 180 days a year.

A kid can go to school every day but if he never picks up a book at home, he is at a disadvantage. If mama don't read, ain't nobody gonna read.
 Quoting: anonanon 935867



Homeschooled kids score higher consistently.

It makes me angry when people justify teachers not doing their jobs ( they do get paid to teach) and still blame the parents. Many of the schools already use that excuse for their poor performance. Not that there aren't plenty of parents out there who buy into the fact that schools know what's best for their kids, some are more than willing to let a stranger form the morals for their children.

Teachers taught back in my day. Parents made sure their kids homework was done, supported the teachers and made sure their children had manners and knew why they were in school. We were taught math, reading, science, history and not social topics. Parents naturally helped their children if they needed help, because they wanted the best for them. Unlike today, where everyone is shirking their responsibilities on someone else to handle. (village mentality)
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Homeschooling is best if parents are capable-and most I have met are better than adequate and the kids can read, do arithmetic, and actually apply analytical skills that are terribly remiss in public schools
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And even if parents don't think they are adequate, there are tons of curriculum choices out there that are self-explanatory and will walk them through everything. Workbooks are great for the elementary crowd. Parents need to get on the internet and get involved with the homeschool forums to educate themselves. Parents and children can decide what works best. There is just so much out there for home schoolers. Get involved in groups if you like and go to their conventions. Also just let you kids lose in the public library and see where their interests lie.
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Homeschoolers given amnesty
[link to www.urbanswirl.com]

" A US Immigration judge has granted political asylum for a family from Germany due to persecution resulting from their choice to home school their kids.

It seems that the German government has an issue with parents who don't send their children to "state" schools, even going to far as to fine or jail those who do home school. (via the Washington Times...)


The Romeikes home-schooled their children in Germany and received fines totaling $10,000. On one occasion, Mr. Donnelly said,
police hauled their children off to school. In 2006, the Romeikes emigrated to Tennessee and continued home schooling their children. Mr. "
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This is great news! I wondered what happened to them. So glad they are in the US and together.
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oh well to bad i dont give a shit what OBAMA thinks!!!!
remember he is one we are many!!!!
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lol.

obama controls the most powerful military in the world.
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Not if they are teaching their kids that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that the story of Adam and Eve is literal and historical fact.
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Um, not all Homeschoolers are religious. Try to think clearly about it...
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How ironic that your liberal / marxist prez will do away with your right to home school. bank on it baby.
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She said she wanted Kucinich for Prez. Did you even read her post??
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Not if they are teaching their kids that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that the story of Adam and Eve is literal and historical fact.


Um, not all Homeschoolers are religious. Try to think clearly about it...
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I don't believe the earth is 6000 years. I Believe in Yahosua
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Not if they are teaching their kids that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that the story of Adam and Eve is literal and historical fact.


Um, not all Homeschoolers are religious. Try to think clearly about it...
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Yes, the homeschool parents who AREN'T religious, are dissatisfied with even the whackjob revisionist history currently offered by the public schools and try to teach their mangled offspring even CRAZIER ideas than they would have gotten by the libtards who run our public schools!

The non-Christian homeschool parents are frequently unstable and are the human debris that sometimes appear in national news stories, giving the impression that ALL homeschoolers are unprincipled, mentally defective, or live slovenly lives with inferior educational standards.
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For the record, I homeschool my eldest daughter from the third grade on. She is now 18 and is in her first year of college, focusing on Asian culture (she can't decide if she wants to be a linguist or translator).

I am a tree hugging liberal who wanted Kucinich as my Presdient.

I agree that although there is diversity among homeschoolers, I can comfortably say the majority of them are Christian who homeschool for religious reasons. I can also say that I have seen many of these children and the do not socialize with others, even when given the opportunity to. Either they don't know how, or they are scared, or they've been taught something about "strangers" that I am not aware of. They stick very close to their parents and other siblings. They really have the mentality of, "Shun the non-believer!" Something very "children of the corn" about some of them.

The parents are far worse though. Some do not educate their daughters as much as their sons because they want their daughters to become nothing but submissive wives to rightgeous men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846391


WOW are you off base.....We are homschoolers and we absolutely do socialize our children. In fact we have different leagues where we play games against other students from both public schools and non-public schools. We do have a very large support group but we are in no way anti people. As far as our daughter I'd put her up against any other public school taught person anywhere. Smart as a whip! Very social indeed and wrong we want her to succeed in whatever endeavor she chooses. You need to stop stereo typing. As far as religion, yes we do want our children to understand who God is but Jesus talked to the unwanted and so does our children. Every other week we do a Cafe for homeless and the underprivileged, not to pull our children failtard.wannabees.suck but to teach them to help society. Your post makes you sound very angry that some parents really do want better for their children.
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I home schooled my three sons off and on they are all productive happy prosperous people.
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Last I knew my son is still being home schooled. My understanding is he has modules or chapters or sessions just like anyone else and has to log in to a computer system/site/program, but can take classes or testing anywhere.

I think home schooling is awesome as my son plays little league is now a boy scout and seems pretty well adjusted. Obama...you will have to take down and exterminate this veterans BEFORE you do away with my son's excellent education.

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homeschool = education
public school = indoctrination

choose one or the other.


Wrong, both are indoctrination, only difference if you homeschool your child you get to decide what they learn.


No, you are just as wrong. Education teaches how learn and think, indoctrination teaches what to think and how to submit to others "expert" leadership. Some homeschoolers are actually trying to teach our kids how to learn and process information and to think for themselves.
 Quoting: ADEND



Yep, and they learn exponentially faster! Foreign languages, advanced math and science, literature, fine arts, history rich with field trips - so much that the public school just cannot offer.
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Not if they are teaching their kids that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that the story of Adam and Eve is literal and historical fact.


Um, not all Homeschoolers are religious. Try to think clearly about it...


Yes, the homeschool parents who AREN'T religious, are dissatisfied with even the whackjob revisionist history currently offered by the public schools and try to teach their mangled offspring even CRAZIER ideas than they would have gotten by the libtards who run our public schools!

The non-Christian homeschool parents are frequently unstable and are the human debris that sometimes appear in national news stories, giving the impression that ALL homeschoolers are unprincipled, mentally defective, or live slovenly lives with inferior educational standards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 936139



Even a lot of the Christian parents that homeschool - when they teach science teach all theories as theories.

We would like for our kids to be able to function in college.
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Not even the Amish try to home school their kids. They hire a teacher.

Of course, some home schoolers do a wonderful job. Most, however do not and just use it as means of control. In reality it becomes isolating and too many of the kids just waffle around topics.

However, home schooling does produce one result: it proves that education really depends on the parents far more than it does on the 6 hours or so the kid spends in a classroom for 170 to 180 days a year.

A kid can go to school every day but if he never picks up a book at home, he is at a disadvantage. If mama don't read, ain't nobody gonna read.



Their kids get to attend until the 8th grade. Then their formal education is over. They can do what they like after that. And you really should know the basics by then. They probably don't homeschool anyway because of all the work they need to accomplish during the day. The curriculum is also decided upon by the Amish and the teacher is told what to teach. No higher education is to be considered at all unless you leave the order and lose your family because of shunning.
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Actually, what a lot of the Amish do IS homeschooling. They have a teacher in their community that teaches all the kids. This isn't someone hired as an employee of a school district under state control.
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In Florida, and many other states, you can enroll your child in an umbrella school which is really a private school where the parent is the teacher. Some charge nothing at all and you pick your own curriculum and do not have to deal with the public school ever. They consider you a private schooler and not a home schooler.

I can't see homeschooling, private schooling, or umbrella schooling to ever be illegal as long as we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech. There are more than one million home schooled children in the USA and even more umbrella schoolers. The Homeschool Legal Defense Association keeps up with the laws and provides lawyers for home schoolers as well when you sign up for a low fee each year.

I would also like to see the public schools try to absorb more than 1 million kids if it did become illegal. They wouldn't be able to do it. They can hardly keep up with the kids they have right now. It would be mayhem.

BTW, many states now have public school at home. They give the kids computers if they don't have one and internet access. And of course they provide teachers. They still get funding and there are less kids in the classroom. Also there is much less indoctrination and the kids have much more freedom.
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You're going to want to check with California. They have made it pretty very difficult to homeschool or even private school your kid.
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In Florida, and many other states, you can enroll your child in an umbrella school which is really a private school where the parent is the teacher. Some charge nothing at all and you pick your own curriculum and do not have to deal with the public school ever. They consider you a private schooler and not a home schooler.

I can't see homeschooling, private schooling, or umbrella schooling to ever be illegal as long as we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech. There are more than one million home schooled children in the USA and even more umbrella schoolers. The Homeschool Legal Defense Association keeps up with the laws and provides lawyers for home schoolers as well when you sign up for a low fee each year.

I would also like to see the public schools try to absorb more than 1 million kids if it did become illegal. They wouldn't be able to do it. They can hardly keep up with the kids they have right now. It would be mayhem.

BTW, many states now have public school at home. They give the kids computers if they don't have one and internet access. And of course they provide teachers. They still get funding and there are less kids in the classroom. Also there is much less indoctrination and the kids have much more freedom.



You're going to want to check with California. They have made it pretty very difficult to homeschool or even private school your kid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905924

I believe all the States will have to choose what they want to do about homeschooling, not the feds or the pres or fema. As a supporter of home schooling I will actively support Texas on their stand which is for the rights of the individual.

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Even when both parents work full time home schooling is not impossible. Parents can review & supplement their children's educate evenings and/or weekends, with the child going to another homeschooler's house during the day for lessons. State laws vary regarding this arrangement.
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Not even the Amish try to home school their kids. They hire a teacher.

Of course, some home schoolers do a wonderful job. Most, however do not and just use it as means of control. In reality it becomes isolating and too many of the kids just waffle around topics.

However, home schooling does produce one result: it proves that education really depends on the parents far more than it does on the 6 hours or so the kid spends in a classroom for 170 to 180 days a year.

A kid can go to school every day but if he never picks up a book at home, he is at a disadvantage. If mama don't read, ain't nobody gonna read.
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Their kids get to attend until the 8th grade. Then their formal education is over. They can do what they like after that. And you really should know the basics by then. They probably don't homeschool anyway because of all the work they need to accomplish during the day. The curriculum is also decided upon by the Amish and the teacher is told what to teach. No higher education is to be considered at all unless you leave the order and lose your family because of shunning.
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That's mostly true but a few of the more 'worldly' Amish orders will once in a great while let a kid go get training as a nurse practitioner, teacher, mechanic, etc. --occupations that would be useful in their community.

An odd thing about some of the more modern Amish is how they have clothes dryers and refrigerators, etc that run on propane since they are forbidden by their religion to use electricity.
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