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NDE vs psychedelic mushrooms - same thing? Totally different?
interesting perspective from somebody who has had a profound NDE and has also taken psychedelic mushrooms. He goes much more in depth about his NDE experience at the link if you're interested

[link to www.nderf.org]

I have tried taking Psilocybin to reach back to that seeing-the-face-of-God feeling (that he felt during his NDE). It has produced altered world views but nothing like the NDE feeling. It was qualitatively very different and more ego folded back upon itself. There is a spiritual dimension to it, but not the loving guide or perfusing joy and light. Very different. There are other psychic dimensions and beings I was aware of during super dose of psilocybin but not the purposeful, loving presence or all encompassing white light. Psilocybin seemed to thrust this naked soul out into the universe teeming with infinite life but it was not an ordered experience like NDEs nor was there the perfect safety, peace and joy. Psilocybin showed me the awesome, the fearsome face of god as Kali or infinite dance of all life and death.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have
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I agree OP, these are two distinct experiences.

I think Terence McKenna was on the right track when he said the mushroom has an agenda. It is an alien intelligence that moves us into it's reality to teach us concepts that we have not encountered on our version of reality. But they do not give us an overall picture, just a slice.

NDE's, on the other hand, are a result of the divisions between the soul/heart/mind being dissolved so that you experience clarity about the nature of reality. This is much more encapsulating that any 'trip' and although the imagery may be confusing, the essential message is coming directly from your higher self, not another entity.
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I agree OP, these are two distinct experiences.

I think Terence McKenna was on the right track when he said the mushroom has an agenda. It is an alien intelligence that moves us into it's reality to teach us concepts that we have not encountered on our version of reality. But they do not give us an overall picture, just a slice.

NDE's, on the other hand, are a result of the divisions between the soul/heart/mind being dissolved so that you experience clarity about the nature of reality. This is much more encapsulating that any 'trip' and although the imagery may be confusing, the essential message is coming directly from your higher self, not another entity.
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His book True Hallucinations gets into this concept a little I think. I read it about 10 years ago whilst working night shifts as a security guard. The best couple of days i've ever had at work I think :)
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I agree OP, these are two distinct experiences.

I think Terence McKenna was on the right track when he said the mushroom has an agenda. It is an alien intelligence that moves us into it's reality to teach us concepts that we have not encountered on our version of reality. But they do not give us an overall picture, just a slice.

NDE's, on the other hand, are a result of the divisions between the soul/heart/mind being dissolved so that you experience clarity about the nature of reality. This is much more encapsulating that any 'trip' and although the imagery may be confusing, the essential message is coming directly from your higher self, not another entity.
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Well put, although I would substitute "the source" for "your hires self", but at some point we are just arguing semantics

But you do bring up a good point about the mushroom having and I agenda. Same with ayahuasca, there are specific entities associated with that plant, and those entities have a specific agenda or agendas. Therefore you are taking a risk

Too many people who engage in hallucinogens seem to be naïve about who or what might control in and/or influencing their perception of reality during their trip. They think they are in control, but that's not necessarily true
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I heard a radio interview with Terence shortly before his death. He said that when he saw the results of the brain scan for the first time he was totally floored. The tumor looked exactly like a mushroom. It had the exact same shape.

That really freaked me out.
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does acid have an agenda?
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in my opinion, all hallucinogens have various entities associated with them and those entities have various agendas.

There is no shortcut to enlightenment. The only true pure experience is one you have through your heart
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I heard a radio interview with Terence shortly before his death. He said that when he saw the results of the brain scan for the first time he was totally floored. The tumor looked exactly like a mushroom. It had the exact same shape.

That really freaked me out.
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Whoa, I never heard that one! I've often wondered if all the trips didn't cause the tumor on some level by pushing his brain past normal functions.

With that said, I had to have some ovarian cysts removed about 10 years ago. When I woke up from the procedure, the doctor was tickled, he said they looked just like mushrooms.

Made me wonder if there was a connection to the many mushrooms I had ingested through the years~
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in my opinion, all hallucinogens have various entities associated with them and those entities have various agendas.

There is no shortcut to enlightenment. The only true pure experience is one you have through your heart
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Well said, I totally agree with all of this.
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in my opinion, all hallucinogens have various entities associated with them and those entities have various agendas.

There is no shortcut to enlightenment. The only true pure experience is one you have through your heart

Well said, I totally agree with all of this.
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I heard a radio interview with Terence shortly before his death. He said that when he saw the results of the brain scan for the first time he was totally floored. The tumor looked exactly like a mushroom. It had the exact same shape.

That really freaked me out.



Whoa, I never heard that one! I've often wondered if all the trips didn't cause the tumor on some level by pushing his brain past normal functions.

With that said, I had to have some ovarian cysts removed about 10 years ago. When I woke up from the procedure, the doctor was tickled, he said they looked just like mushrooms.

Made me wonder if there was a connection to the many mushrooms I had ingested through the years~
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that's pretty weird. somebody posted a really amazing video yesterday about mushrooms, it was one of the TED talks

He was talking about the incredible persistence of mushrooms and how they can survive in all kinds of incredible environments. I don't see why they couldn't grow in a human body
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I agree OP, these are two distinct experiences.

I think Terence McKenna was on the right track when he said the mushroom has an agenda. It is an alien intelligence that moves us into it's reality to teach us concepts that we have not encountered on our version of reality. But they do not give us an overall picture, just a slice.

NDE's, on the other hand, are a result of the divisions between the soul/heart/mind being dissolved so that you experience clarity about the nature of reality. This is much more encapsulating that any 'trip' and although the imagery may be confusing, the essential message is coming directly from your higher self, not another entity.


His book True Hallucinations gets into this concept a little I think. I read it about 10 years ago whilst working night shifts as a security guard. The best couple of days i've ever had at work I think :)
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Want another great night at work? Download the audio version, it is really well produced, read by Terence, and you even get to hear the 'sound' Dennis makes while having his Amazon experience!

I listened to it one day while mushroom hunting and into the night while brewing and sipping...what a trip!
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I heard a radio interview with Terence shortly before his death. He said that when he saw the results of the brain scan for the first time he was totally floored. The tumor looked exactly like a mushroom. It had the exact same shape.

That really freaked me out.



Whoa, I never heard that one! I've often wondered if all the trips didn't cause the tumor on some level by pushing his brain past normal functions.

With that said, I had to have some ovarian cysts removed about 10 years ago. When I woke up from the procedure, the doctor was tickled, he said they looked just like mushrooms.

Made me wonder if there was a connection to the many mushrooms I had ingested through the years~


that's pretty weird. somebody posted a really amazing video yesterday about mushrooms, it was one of the TED talks

He was talking about the incredible persistence of mushrooms and how they can survive in all kinds of incredible environments. I don't see why they couldn't grow in a human body
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Yeah, I saw that too, really shocked me to learn that a mushroom is actually the largest living creature on earth!

Also watch the Richard Alan Miller lecture at Nexus, he talks quite a bit about the healing power of mushrooms that grow from insect carcasses.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have
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If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
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I don't know why on Earth would someone think Magic Mushrooms are similar to NDE. If anything the guy should have tried N,N-Dimethyltryptamine.
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I agree OP, these are two distinct experiences.

I think Terence McKenna was on the right track when he said the mushroom has an agenda. It is an alien intelligence that moves us into it's reality to teach us concepts that we have not encountered on our version of reality. But they do not give us an overall picture, just a slice.

NDE's, on the other hand, are a result of the divisions between the soul/heart/mind being dissolved so that you experience clarity about the nature of reality. This is much more encapsulating that any 'trip' and although the imagery may be confusing, the essential message is coming directly from your higher self, not another entity.


His book True Hallucinations gets into this concept a little I think. I read it about 10 years ago whilst working night shifts as a security guard. The best couple of days i've ever had at work I think :)



Want another great night at work? Download the audio version, it is really well produced, read by Terence, and you even get to hear the 'sound' Dennis makes while having his Amazon experience!

I listened to it one day while mushroom hunting and into the night while brewing and sipping...what a trip!
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Wow! I didn't even know there was an audiobook version. I will look for it straight away! My copy of the book got destroyed by mould in my cellar! :(

EDIT: Thanks for putting me onto the audio book. I am now in possession of it!

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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have



If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
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what I mean is that people try to debunk the NDE by saying that it's just something weird that happens inside somebody's head and it's not evidence of another, spiritual, world

So they point to people dropping acid or doing mushrooms or whatever as evidence of this.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have



If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
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what I mean is that people try to debunk the NDE by saying that it's just something weird that happens inside somebody's head and it's not evidence of another, spiritual, world

So they point to people dropping acid or doing mushrooms or whatever as evidence of this.
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How do you know that psychedelics aren't a gateway to another "spiritual world"? IMO, there are no separate "worlds", and if you have done enough psychedelics in the proper setting, you would know this. The "spiritual world" is all around us an within us. We just cannot perceive it in our normal state because our brain acts as a filter.

I have experienced God on psilocybin. I was lying down and all of a sudden I felt complete peace, and saw a bright white light appearing before me, enveloping my entire vision and encompassing me. I felt my bed disappear below me and I felt like a was wrapped in something that was the most comfortable thing I ever felt and very warm. At that moment all sense of "self" dissolved and everything became one. I felt like I was a part of the light and apart of everything around me, the entire Universe and God itself. There was no "others", there was only "the one, everything". The amount of time this lasted is unknown to me know, because time seemed to stop, but eventually I found myself laying in bed like normal much later.
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does acid have an agenda?


in my opinion, all hallucinogens have various entities associated with them and those entities have various agendas.

There is no shortcut to enlightenment. The only true pure experience is one you have through your heart
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Well said, I totally agree with all of this.
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Why do you talk such nonsense?

How do you know so sure of what you say.

I just read an opinion based on nothing.

Are you already enlightened, i don't think so. So cut the crap then and stop trying to tell people 'truths' that you don't know if it's really true or not.


The universe is a mystery. Don't pretend you figured out it's mystery.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have



If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
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what I mean is that people try to debunk the NDE by saying that it's just something weird that happens inside somebody's head and it's not evidence of another, spiritual, world

So they point to people dropping acid or doing mushrooms or whatever as evidence of this.
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Easy way to tell, if an NDE is based on the person's beliefs / expectations, versus being a real spiritual world.

There's cases now, where people come across information during the NDE, that was previously unknown to them, but was then proven to be true down to the exact details.

For example, there's cases now, of someone learning something highly specific about a deceased person they saw in their NDE, and then was later verified to be true down to the exact details.

Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can not explain these types of NDEs.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have



If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 779348


what I mean is that people try to debunk the NDE by saying that it's just something weird that happens inside somebody's head and it's not evidence of another, spiritual, world

So they point to people dropping acid or doing mushrooms or whatever as evidence of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925845


Easy way to tell, if an NDE is based on the person's beliefs / expectations, versus being a real spiritual world.

There's cases now, where people come across information during the NDE, that was previously unknown to them, but was then proven to be true down to the exact details.

For example, there's cases now, of someone learning something highly specific about a deceased person they saw in their NDE, and then was later verified to be true down to the exact details.

Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can not explain these types of NDEs.
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Why do we need someone else to explain it for us. Why not figure it out ourselves?
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I took mushrooms once and had an out of body experience. Most profound experience in my life. I did not sense any other spirits around or near me, however. I existed as pure awareness, floating in an ocean of infinite possibility that felt like pure joy/love. I can totally see how people call it an ocean of infinite love. I also realized this "awareness" was who I really am and when I lost my "ego" and sense of "I", nothing about me really change. I just let go of abunch of false ideas I had been attached to and I was just that awareness which is what I've always been.

I floated outside of this reality, and I could check in anytime I wanted to. I could "tune" myself to any one physical sense. I could also tune myself to any feeling I wanted to experience and I would experience it in every way possible. It was pure beingness.

Sadly I did not experience any other spirits. At that level, it was like I was truly everything and nothing at the same time.

Take about 4 -5 grams of mushrooms, sit alone in the dark, and perhaps listen to music. I sat alone in the dark listening to music over headphones. About halfway through the album, I was "birthed" out of the top of my head and was suddenly watching myself listen to music.
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I think it's important because people try to debunk the NDE by saying that people have the same experiences dropping acid or doing other hallucinogens. But really it's not the same at all.

Doing hallucinogens does not have that kind of deeply profound life-changing impacts that NDE's can have



If people say NDE is like acid or mushrooms, they don't know what they are talking about, because those two experiences are quite different from eachother. What most people probably mean by saying this is that NDE is otherworldly or mystic... they don't have the language or a self experienced context to talk about these things, so they just say it's "like dropping acid", because they heard that weird stuff happens when you do.
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what I mean is that people try to debunk the NDE by saying that it's just something weird that happens inside somebody's head and it's not evidence of another, spiritual, world

So they point to people dropping acid or doing mushrooms or whatever as evidence of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925845


Easy way to tell, if an NDE is based on the person's beliefs / expectations, versus being a real spiritual world.

There's cases now, where people come across information during the NDE, that was previously unknown to them, but was then proven to be true down to the exact details.

For example, there's cases now, of someone learning something highly specific about a deceased person they saw in their NDE, and then was later verified to be true down to the exact details.

Psychologists, nor neuroscientists, can not explain these types of NDEs.
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Why do we need someone else to explain it for us. Why not figure it out ourselves?
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Yes I agree. That's not the point of the post. I'm trying to state, even people with these credentials can not explain, how someone during an NDE, can learn of information, that was previously unknown, and was impossible to know about, concerning the deceased, and then was later proven and researched to be true down to the exact details.
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That's because no external drug can come even close to the drugs our brain can release. Either that, or they really see God.
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I have had two legit near death experiences, once from being hit by lighting, and the second one from nearly drowning while scuba diving.

I have also done LOTS of drugs, including hallucinogens such as mushrooms, LSD, mescalin and most importantly DMT (both kinds).

When I was hit by lighting, the bolt did not strike me per se, but it was very very close and I was knocked unconscious and stopped breathing for a little while. I came out of it in allot of pain and with a THROBBING headache, but the experience was 'typical' near death, if there is such a thing.
I remember feeling the lighting before the bolt actually struck, I could feel the charge or whatever building up around me, and I was very scared in that moment just before it happened, because I felt like i knew what was coming. There was a thunder storm and I was out in an arboretum, stupid I know. In any-case there was a tremendously bright flash of light and then it felt like I was a accelerating towards something even brighter. After a while, who knows how long, there was nothing, no loving entities, NOTHING I call it the void, or hyperspace void.

When I almost drowned it was similar except that there was no flash, the acceleration vertigo type feeling was there, the light came later on and then NOTHING. I came out of this one feeling similarly shitty.

Now on to the drugs, as far as acid or mushrooms being like an NDE that is complete BS in my ever so humble opinion. The only thing that compares is DMT, and I believe the body creates DMT during NDE's REM sleep and certain other circumstances.

Smoking NN-DMT is like eating a sheet of acid all at once, you go from being completely sober to tripping as hard as possible to psychedelic 'white-out' in about 30 seconds. It is intensely visual, the elves will come out to say high and you will not make sense.

5-meo-DMT is the closest thing to a NDE you probably will ever have with drugs, without actually almost dying course.
You need to catch a 'break-through' dose, for me about 20-25mg is enough, you smoke it all really fast. This feels like you just inhaled 100,000 gallons of nitrous-oxide. Then I generally hear a tremendous explosion as my vision looses resolving power, then the white-out comes, and then the severe acceleration, and if you smoked it all like a good lab-rat you will end up in the void. Its eerily similar, in fact the only way I can describe 5-meo-DMT is like having 1000 near death experiences. Generally when I come out of the DMT experiences, I have no concept of time, and often am completely amnesic, with no headache from almost dying for real. It once took me about 25 minutes to remember my name, and then over the course of an hour my entire life and ego came back, very interesting.

LSD and mushrooms are completely different. One good technique however is to drop the acid and then smoke the DMT, you will come out of the DMT trip into the acid trip, and then you might be able to figure out what just happened to you. Integrating the DMT experience with the regular sober world is nearly impossible. You can also make the DMT orally active, but that's a completely different experience.
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That's because no external drug can come even close to the drugs our brain can release. Either that, or they really see God.
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Your brain produces DMT, and you can get this in nature quite easily as well. It smokes like burning plastic so watch out for that.
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No shortage of heavy hitters in this thread...Perhaps it's the out of body experience that has people comparing the two... The clearest most conscious out of. Body experience I've had was on abou a qt. of mushrooms... And I could definitely see myself from above almost as if I was watching the room from the upper corner of the room... Apart of everything... With a strange almost time conrling ability... Notice how slow time was passing to the point where I actually thought my watch was moving backwards... Hahahahaaaa that was interesting
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That's because no external drug can come even close to the drugs our brain can release. Either that, or they really see God.
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Your brain produces DMT, and you can get this in nature quite easily as well. It smokes like burning plastic so watch out for that.
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I do not doubt your statement, but seeing as how I have met only one or two folks who have ever tried it, vs. about a thousand who have used mushrooms or LSD, I can't really make that comparison. I have considered trying it, to be honest, but it's a bit scary. I am not sure I want to come any closer to seeing the Ultimate Creator Energy than I already have. ;)
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Re: NDE vs psychedelic mushrooms - same thing? Totally different?
I've have experienced both.

I had an NDE in '81 and tried schrooms a few times after '83.

the biggest difference is that the NDE was more real than real.

I guess the best way to explain it would be to use a 1 to 10 scale.

Our everyday waking reality would be a 5

a Schrooom or Acid trip would be the same at 5

but the NDE was a definite 10+

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