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Who really is Lucifer/Satan/Beelzebub/Belial?

 
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These are my thoughts and theories, I'd like to hear respnses, rebuttles and interpretation of your own.

I think it's necessary to look at an extreme position of how the term is used, who first utilized it for what reasons and what that has to do with our reality.

Lucifer/Satan/Beelzebub/Belial/Molek/Thoth/Metatron/Yaweah/Ar​ch-Angels.

What if I suspect these are all the same being?

That this being is a group of consciousness that can divide itself into many portions. That our physicality is a creation-manipulation designed and forged by this group.

It was supposed to be a critique on the original creation, that love and hate is a more free and full expression than love alone.

And so they cut off this section of the Universe from the rest of it. And the Extra-Terrestrials/Dimensionals in these parts were not evolved enough to respond to the seperation, or they stuck around and became love/hate beings themselves. Then war began. Keep in mind during any mass-disclosure situations, these beings know the history and dangers of this place, and they are in cooperation with it.

Truly "good guys" have to fight through a lot of crap to reach this place in subtle form, let alone have the energy and balanced opportunity to physically do anything. They want to heal, but they don't want to interfere with our natural evolution anymore than what has already occurred.

They're doing what they can to get the assholes out of our way, because we have potential to be healed.

It's easy to blame and get pissed at the good guys, but they're trying to be universally responsible in a very awkward situation. And we should hopefully reconsider the habits of blame and anger in the generations to come, are those genetic propensities we want to hold onto?

The battle of "Good and Evil" or perspective vs. perspective literally engages invisibly over our heads and through our genes everyday.

Humanity is supposed to be the poster race/society for the Luciferian model of simultaneous love/hate.

A division of Lucifer or Satan or Metatron or Elohim or Anu ect. on and on, came to earth and mixed their self-manipulated genes with original-creation, manipulated primates.

We were the forbidden fruit. Now we're hybrids.

They placed themselves in the position of control, or God. And they did this in a way where it was absolute, carved in stone.

Creating a sustainable, controllable race, that ideally after a ripe "harvest" could be spread though-out the universe, spreading the love/hate society through the universe and who could only know their manipulators as God.

Lucifer is actually any advanced being that takes advantage of you.

Lucifer or Satan comes in all sorts of physicality and at least two flavors:

- Beautiful and righteous beings that are actually soul seducing wolf-vampires in sheep's clothing.

- Hardcore aggressive beings that find compassion to be imprisonment, super anti-moral control freaks.

Earth is like a super advanced amusement-park/venus-flytrap that assimilates spirits into an isolated body and enviornment that is meant to persuade you into a belief system. It's designed to make you forget and to make you become addicted to earth. To get stuck in loops. This is heaven or hell, a recruitment zone or an escape hatch.

But that depends on you.

Don't ever forget to find out who you are.
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battle of good and evil is inside you, not some imaginary demon/deity or what ever.

Mankind can do the most loveliest of things and the most ugliest.
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Apart from namecalling by people who dont seem able to deal with the darker sides of humanity, you mean?
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Yeah, I agree with you guys.

But I'd like to maybe dig a bit deeper.
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There's ZERO proof that Lucifer is Satan, for Isaiah 14:12 is the only mention of Lucifer by that name in the Bible, and Isaiah never said that Lucifer is Satan. Modern tampered with Bibles removed the name Lucifer from 14:12 but Latin Vulgate and KJV have it, and jerusalem Hebrew Bibles call Lucifer "Daystar".

"until the daystar arise in your hearts"- 2 Peter 1:19.

There's 6 end times prophecies in chapter 14, which makes Lucifer a MAN (14:16-17) of the end times, not a talking reptilian.

Lucifer is raised from death unto the world, and Satan comes down to the world in Rev 12:12.

Rev 20:10 is clear that the beast is NOT the devil (another popular falsehood).

I do think Lucifer is the "lawless one" of 2 Thess 2, however, for the similarities.

The characters of Baalism are not interchangeable with Bible characters, which would endorse Baalism as equal to Bible religion. Where's Christ in Baalism?

Isaiah named Lucifer the light bearer, not anyone else. Satan is not Moloch with horns.

Biblical Satan is nothing like the masonic image of Satan. Paul called upon Satan to bring a curse upon mockers in 1 Timothy 1:20, who shipwrecked then.

"To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flash, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"- 1 Corinthians 5:5.

mass mind control at work heavily here, due to masonic infiltration of all religions.
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Further examine your source material you consider the validator of proof.

The devil's playbook itself.
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Lucifer, Beelzebub, Satan, Oh My. I just saw Wicked and I'm on an Oz kick now.

Lucifer and satan may be the same being. Beelzebub is a demon and said to resemble a Bee. I don't believe in the Demons as the Roman Catholic Church describes them however.

I think you will find the solution to your problem with an Indian from New Mexico. His name is Robert Morningsky.

Satan created us. Satan's uncle is Yahweh and he really hates us. We weren't supposed to be and Satan made us anyway.

Satan is in reality, the ancient Sumerian God Ea. He and his sister Nin-Hur-Sag created us out of an existing being and some of their own DNA. Their uncle, Enlil (aka Yahweh) was very upset about this. Enlil's sons tried to destroy enclaves of humans in Sodom and Gamorrah with nuclear weapons. The trouble is, these two dumb fucks didn't count on the westerly winds bringing the fallout to their home in babylon. They were forced to flee upwind to Egypt.

Anyway, read "The Terra Papers 1 & 2 by Robert Morningsky. It will clarify everything for you.
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belial is NOT the same as Lucifer
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AN ANGELWHO WAS THEN WAS NOTHING
AND IS NOW A
NOBODY
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I think we all know who he is, but we aren't allowed to name him, identify him nor talk about him and we aren't allowed to talk about what he and his followers get up to.

The fact that we aren't allowed to do any of these things - confirms his identity.
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Christianity is the ultimate Big Lie. If you can count on the Roman Catholic church for anything, it is their uncanny skill at being world class liars.
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The Terra Papers are very fascinating. I think the papers are missing something, or something is not quite as detailed as it should be maybe... But they are very thought provoking none the less.

Belial and Lucifer are different faces of the same consciousness group is my theory I'm putting out there. Not that they're the same "person", but of the same intention from an outside perspective looking in and tampering with humanity.

I agree with the fact that we are constantly teased with this character/perspective. And the fact that it is so hidden, so dogmatic, just out of reach yet ever-present, does lend credibility to the existence of external infiltrators/controllers. Whether they are good/bad is perspective, but they've defiantly infringed on the free-will of others, and I don't think that's good.

I was so hardcore Christian for quite a while. But there were some questions my Pastor would give me little neat package answers meant to mystify me about the limited understanding of man and the all-knowingness of God, some questions are just not meant to be considered. This is when I became suspect to Christianity, and at this point, I feel its one of the most active spiritual recruitment cults of the exterior infiltrators/controllers.

I'm sick of the bullshit, our spirits should be free to explore without the spider webs of fear dogma.
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hey hey hey what we have here. some truth for a change huh?

thanks OP
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AN ANGELWHO WAS THEN WAS NOTHING
AND IS NOW A
NOBODY
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Frank Stallone?
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A meme. NEXT!
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hey hey hey what we have here. some truth for a change huh?

thanks OP
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indeed
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hey hey hey what we have here. some truth for a change huh?

thanks OP

indeed
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OP=thinker, but logic is tainted

luciferisgod.com ......has correct logic, via science, not religion
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Lucifer is the prince of this world.

His main goal is to have you believe in anything but the truth.

The truth is that we were made by Yahweh and it his wish to be in fellowship with us. But yes he is a God of procedure. We have to approach him with knowledge of who he is to a tee!

Lucifer's main effort is to "dilute" your belief and have you believe in "attributes" that are untrue to our creator.

Like it or not, by agreement or by sure rebellion Lucifer has domain on this earth. He and his legions of fallen spirits strike you to believe in everything else but Yahweh and his word.

There is no alien civilization that will come and save you.
And what you think are aliens are nothing more than fallen spirits who can communicate with you in your thoughts.

That's why there are so many music artist into darkness. They are being highly influenced.

Deny all you want but there are only two sides.
Yahweh and Lucifer....

who's side are you on?
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He's the father!

FSHGHT

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He's the father!

:FSHGHT:
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I know you received first hand information from his cohorts but I will tell you that he's the father of all lies.

Have your power..play your reindeer games...laugh now....

Yeshua is his name. The one who WAS, who IS and is TO COME he will strike fast at those who mocked him and remember the lake of fire is permanent.

So while you enjoy your "power" and the sense of belonging it gives you and the sense of identity,

Lucifer will roll you over at the end and say to you...
"I'm done with you bitch"

and you will be left desolate..alone...nobody to buy your book..no friends you can buy any longer...

but just the spotlight on you...in the darkness and you will testify for everything thing that has come out your mouth...

it will be like chaff and consumed as kindling for the coming fire...

I pray for you...that you may know the power of the mighty Yeshua who will soon return..

and destroy your cross dressing GOD...
your God is Cybele by the way...and you don't even know it..

queen anne hill
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There's ZERO proof that Lucifer is Satan, for Isaiah 14:12 is the only mention of Lucifer by that name in the Bible, and Isaiah never said that Lucifer is Satan. Modern tampered with Bibles removed the name Lucifer from 14:12 but Latin Vulgate and KJV have it, and jerusalem Hebrew Bibles call Lucifer "Daystar".

"until the daystar arise in your hearts"- 2 Peter 1:19.

There's 6 end times prophecies in chapter 14, which makes Lucifer a MAN (14:16-17) of the end times, not a talking reptilian.

Lucifer is raised from death unto the world, and Satan comes down to the world in Rev 12:12.

Rev 20:10 is clear that the beast is NOT the devil (another popular falsehood).

I do think Lucifer is the "lawless one" of 2 Thess 2, however, for the similarities.

The characters of Baalism are not interchangeable with Bible characters, which would endorse Baalism as equal to Bible religion. Where's Christ in Baalism?

Isaiah named Lucifer the light bearer, not anyone else. Satan is not Moloch with horns.

Biblical Satan is nothing like the masonic image of Satan. Paul called upon Satan to bring a curse upon mockers in 1 Timothy 1:20, who shipwrecked then.

"To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flash, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"- 1 Corinthians 5:5.

mass mind control at work heavily here, due to masonic infiltration of all religions.
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .
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There's ZERO proof that Lucifer is Satan, for Isaiah 14:12 is the only mention of Lucifer by that name in the Bible, and Isaiah never said that Lucifer is Satan. Modern tampered with Bibles removed the name Lucifer from 14:12 but Latin Vulgate and KJV have it, and jerusalem Hebrew Bibles call Lucifer "Daystar".

"until the daystar arise in your hearts"- 2 Peter 1:19.

There's 6 end times prophecies in chapter 14, which makes Lucifer a MAN (14:16-17) of the end times, not a talking reptilian.

Lucifer is raised from death unto the world, and Satan comes down to the world in Rev 12:12.

Rev 20:10 is clear that the beast is NOT the devil (another popular falsehood).

I do think Lucifer is the "lawless one" of 2 Thess 2, however, for the similarities.

The characters of Baalism are not interchangeable with Bible characters, which would endorse Baalism as equal to Bible religion. Where's Christ in Baalism?

Isaiah named Lucifer the light bearer, not anyone else. Satan is not Moloch with horns.

Biblical Satan is nothing like the masonic image of Satan. Paul called upon Satan to bring a curse upon mockers in 1 Timothy 1:20, who shipwrecked then.

"To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flash, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"- 1 Corinthians 5:5.

mass mind control at work heavily here, due to masonic infiltration of all religions.
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871439


This makes sense...thanks AC

hf
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There's ZERO proof that Lucifer is Satan, for Isaiah 14:12 is the only mention of Lucifer by that name in the Bible, and Isaiah never said that Lucifer is Satan. Modern tampered with Bibles removed the name Lucifer from 14:12 but Latin Vulgate and KJV have it, and jerusalem Hebrew Bibles call Lucifer "Daystar".

"until the daystar arise in your hearts"- 2 Peter 1:19.

There's 6 end times prophecies in chapter 14, which makes Lucifer a MAN (14:16-17) of the end times, not a talking reptilian.

Lucifer is raised from death unto the world, and Satan comes down to the world in Rev 12:12.

Rev 20:10 is clear that the beast is NOT the devil (another popular falsehood).

I do think Lucifer is the "lawless one" of 2 Thess 2, however, for the similarities.

The characters of Baalism are not interchangeable with Bible characters, which would endorse Baalism as equal to Bible religion. Where's Christ in Baalism?

Isaiah named Lucifer the light bearer, not anyone else. Satan is not Moloch with horns.

Biblical Satan is nothing like the masonic image of Satan. Paul called upon Satan to bring a curse upon mockers in 1 Timothy 1:20, who shipwrecked then.

"To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flash, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"- 1 Corinthians 5:5.

mass mind control at work heavily here, due to masonic infiltration of all religions.
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871439



You my friend are correct!

Innana, Sin, Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and now.........

Mary.....

but not Mary of the bible...
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There's ZERO proof that Lucifer is Satan, for Isaiah 14:12 is the only mention of Lucifer by that name in the Bible, and Isaiah never said that Lucifer is Satan. Modern tampered with Bibles removed the name Lucifer from 14:12 but Latin Vulgate and KJV have it, and jerusalem Hebrew Bibles call Lucifer "Daystar".

"until the daystar arise in your hearts"- 2 Peter 1:19.

There's 6 end times prophecies in chapter 14, which makes Lucifer a MAN (14:16-17) of the end times, not a talking reptilian.

Lucifer is raised from death unto the world, and Satan comes down to the world in Rev 12:12.

Rev 20:10 is clear that the beast is NOT the devil (another popular falsehood).

I do think Lucifer is the "lawless one" of 2 Thess 2, however, for the similarities.

The characters of Baalism are not interchangeable with Bible characters, which would endorse Baalism as equal to Bible religion. Where's Christ in Baalism?

Isaiah named Lucifer the light bearer, not anyone else. Satan is not Moloch with horns.

Biblical Satan is nothing like the masonic image of Satan. Paul called upon Satan to bring a curse upon mockers in 1 Timothy 1:20, who shipwrecked then.

"To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flash, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"- 1 Corinthians 5:5.

mass mind control at work heavily here, due to masonic infiltration of all religions.
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .


This makes sense...thanks AC

hf
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Angels, you're welcome once again. :)
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it can be questionable

there are some candidates


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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .



You my friend are correct!

Innana, Sin, Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and now.........

Mary.....

but not Mary of the bible...
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Virgin Mary simply means Venus in Virgo. :)


Sin(NANNA) is a Moon god as opposed to Venus(INANNA).
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .



You my friend are correct!

Innana, Sin, Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and now.........

Mary.....

but not Mary of the bible...



Virgin Mary simply means Venus in Virgo. :)


Sin(NANNA) is a Moon god as opposed to Venus(INANNA).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871439



Mary is now the moon Goddess...with the crecent moon at her feet...

she bears the same title as the Goddesses of old

Queen of Heaven
Ever Virgin...
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .



You my friend are correct!

Innana, Sin, Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and now.........

Mary.....

but not Mary of the bible...



Virgin Mary simply means Venus in Virgo. :)


Sin(NANNA) is a Moon god as opposed to Venus(INANNA).



Mary is now the moon Goddess...with the crecent moon at her feet...

she bears the same title as the Goddesses of old

Queen of Heaven
Ever Virgin...
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Nope, Venus is the Queen of Heaven with a crescent Moon at her feet, i.e. Moon sometimes is the closest object to Venus. :)
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Lucifer is INANNA and her dark sister(dark side) ERESHKIGAL and is 'the morning star/light bearer' Venus.


Satan is Saturn/ENKI .



You my friend are correct!

Innana, Sin, Ishtar, Isis, Astarte, Ashtoreth, Diana, Artemis, Cybele, and now.........

Mary.....

but not Mary of the bible...



Virgin Mary simply means Venus in Virgo. :)


Sin(NANNA) is a Moon god as opposed to Venus(INANNA).



Mary is now the moon Goddess...with the crecent moon at her feet...

she bears the same title as the Goddesses of old

Queen of Heaven
Ever Virgin...



Nope, Venus is the Queen of Heaven with a crescent Moon at her feet, i.e. Moon sometimes is the closest object to Venus. :)
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Mary now has the title Queen of Heaven
she is Lucifer son of the morning
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I admire you for keeping wanting to believe that Isis is Innanna or a Goddess.

Isis was just a Priestess who got witchcraft knowledge. She only happened to be the lover of one member of the pharaoh family and got known for her love and devotion to her dead lover even in afterlife. According to Wikipedia, she never resuscitated Osiris, she tried to put the pieces together but they got scattered again and made herself pregnant with the semen of her lover's body, always hiding the true identity of Horus to protect him.

Innanna look like to have managed to steal the tables of destiny from Enki and Enki has been very much pissed at Innanna.