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The Reason why the early Christian Church Moved Away from keeping the Sabbath

 
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The Reason why the early Christian Church Moved Away from keeping the Sabbath
10 April 2010

To ......,

It was during the time of Emperor Constantine that he made Sunday as his rest day, being both a Sun god worshiper and a Queen of Heaven worshiper. The early Christians followed the Lord of their Sabbath were keeping the seventh day that He sanctified and hallowed as written in Genesis 2:1-3. So there were those who would not follow Emperor Constantine’s commands to rest on his Sun god worship day, Sunday, and were placed on stakes and burned as heretics.

Little by little the Christians turned away from Almighty God's holy seventh day Sabbath to rest on Sunday instead and were given to work on the Lord's real day of rest, the seventh day, as the little harlot churches joined to Sun god worship as them written in Revelation 17:5. So all these little harlot churches today are on the same broad path on their way to Hell as well as the Vatican Great Whore, Isaiah 5:13-16.

Well, brother ......, it costs something to be a real Christ-like Christian, namely, to not work on the Sabbath day. When you really start to live the teaching of your Lord Jesus in action upon your most holy faith, you may be faced with losing your job, even your family and friends to please Almighty God. So don’t let your family hinder you in what you have to do, just go ahead and do it.

Most of the so-called Christians are going to hear, "I do not know you, Law-breaker" as written in Matthew 7:20-22, even these signs-and-wonders preachers who do not keep the Sabbath or for that matter, His royal Law, the Ten Commandments, in their entirety.

It is the Law that separates them that are going to Heaven or Hell. It is like the time of Moses when the Lord gave the people to make a choice, to choose life or death. So it is today the same choice: eternal life to those that obey Almighty God's commands of them, or to be sent to damnation in the Lake of Fire, the second death.

So be of His very elect chosen and faithful few as written in Matthew 24:22 to 41, Mark 13:20-22 + 37, and Luke 17:20-37, and do what is written in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, and be of them who keep His commandments, John 14:15 to 18, just as He did and taught as written in Matthew 5:17 to 19 and John 15:10.

All those who do not keep His Lord's day of rest on the seventh day and yet call Him Lord are to be found as a liar from the pulpit on down of whatever church per se, I John 2:4. We as Christians have to give up all these traditions of this apostate one world religion under the authority of the Vatican Great Whore of Revelation 17:5. Revelation 18:4 says to come out of this apostate religion. So count the cost of eternal salvation and just obey the Lord's commands of you and your family, this day, even.

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Count the cost: man's traditions vs. God's commands.

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Sun-day worship...

Easter...

Christmas...

All "Protestant" denominations are psuedo-Catholic.
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I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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SHABBAT

What is the purpose and meaning of Shabbat in the Covenant of the Law? There are four major reasons God gives for commanding Israel to keep the seventh day holy:

1. A Memorial of Creation

2. A Memorial of Deliverance from Egypt

3. A Covenant Sign

4. A Time of Rest – A Tithe of Time

1. A Memorial of Creation

The holiness of the seventh day, and its character as a day of rest, does not come from the Covenant of the Law. It does not come from the Ten Commandments. It does not come from Israel. It is what God decreed in creating this universe. It is part of God's revelation of Himself. God created the Sabbath. "On the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all his work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work of creating that he had done." Gen. 2:2-3

On the sixth day, "God created Adam in his own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them....The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it." Gen. 1:27, 2:15 God created Adam and Eve on the sixth day. He rested on the seventh day, the day He made holy. What did Adam and Eve, made in the image and likeness of God, do on the seventh day while God rested? Did they work, or did they rest? What did God want them to do? God did not create the Sabbath for Himself. He had no need to rest. As Yeshua said, "The Sabbath was made for Adam...." Mark 2:27 God created all of space and time. Out of all that He made, He made one thing holy. God made the seventh day holy, specially set apart to Him.

God created Israel to be His witness, i.e. to testify of who He is. e.g. Gen.43:10 He commanded Israel to commemorate His work of creation and His rest by observing the holiness of the seventh day.

"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." Ex.20:8-11

By observing the seventh day as a holy day of rest, all Israel was to bear witness that God is the creator and owner of all things. As it says in Ps. 24:1, "The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it."

2. A Memorial of Deliverance from Egypt

"Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do.

"Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." Dt.5:12-15 Israel was under cruel bondage in Egypt, but God set the Jewish people free. The Sabbath was to memorialize that deliverance and the reward of freedom. "I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy." Lev. 11:45 He redeemed Israel to serve Him in holiness, i.e. as a people set apart.

3. A Covenant Sign

The Sabbath itself is a covenant sign between God and Israel. God set apart the seventh day and sanctified it. He did the same with Israel. "You must observe My Sabbaths. This will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy....The children of Israel are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He abstained from work and rested." Ex.31:13,16,17

Israel did not make itself holy. God made Israel holy. "Also I gave them My Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy." Ezek. 20:12

4. A Time of Rest – A Tithe of Time

God commanded that every Israelite bring to Him a tithe, a tenth, of what his labor produced. All of it belonged to the Lord, but He asked only for a tenth as a recognition of His sovereignty. That recognition would ensure the protection and blessing of the Lord on the other nine-tenths. In the same way, God commanded Israel to rest on the Sabbath. "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest and the slave born in your household, and the alien as well, may be refreshed." Ex. 23:12 Animals, servants, and strangers in the land were to have their rest as well.

In the wilderness, God showed that He would provide for His people on every day, including Shabbat. cf.Ex.16:22-30 He wanted Israel to trust in His provision. God commanded that even the land of Israel "must keep a sabbath to the Lord." Lev. 25:2 In every seventh year, the land was to be allowed to rest. And after every seven sabbatical years, there was to be a year of jubilee, a year of restoration and liberation, for the land of Israel and for the people of Israel. Lev. 25:8-12

God warned of the judgment of exile among the nations for Israel’s failure to let the land observe its sabbatical years. "Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it....For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected My laws and abhorred My decrees." Lev. 26:34-35,43

Breaking the Sabbath Brings Death

Keeping the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments, which God engraved in stone for Israel to show the way He wanted her to live. Keeping the Sabbath is engraved alongside "I am the Lord your God...You shall not murder....You shall not bear false witness." It is that important. It is repeated in connection with these other great commandments. " ‘Each of you must respect his mother and father, and you must observe my Sabbaths. I am the LORD your God. Do not turn to idols or make gods of cast metal for yourselves. I am the LORD your God." Lev. 19:3-4

God considered the observance of the Sabbath so important for Israel that He commanded the community to put to death anyone who broke the Sabbath. "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." Ex. 35:2

"Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." Ex.31:14-15

During the time in the wilderness, God was tested on this commandment. "While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. "Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.’ So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses." Num. 15:32-36 God meant exactly what He said. The penalty for breaking the Sabbath was death.

National Punishment for Breaking the Sabbath

When God made Israel a holy nation, He gave her His special feasts to observe. The Sabbath is the first of these.

"These are My appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies. There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD." Lev. 23:2-3

In Isaiah, God rebuked Israel for profaning the Sabbath and the other feasts of the Lord. "Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations – I cannot bear your evil assemblies. Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts My soul hates. They have become a burden to Me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you; even if you offer many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood; wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight! Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice, encourage the oppressed. Defend the cause of the fatherless, plead the case of the widow." Isa. 1:13

God was not denouncing the Sabbath and the feasts which He instituted. Nor was He denouncing prayer. He was denouncing the way the people were perverting these things through their violence and unrighteousness. The inward corruption of the people, and the violent fruit which it produced, made any outward observance a detestable mockery.

Among Israel’s other sins was the failure to observe God’s Sabbath. In fact, the failure to keep the Sabbath was a major cause of God’s denunciation and judgment. Ezekiel delivered many of God’s rebukes to the people in exile.

"Yet the people of Israel rebelled against Me in the desert. They did not follow My decrees but rejected My laws –although the man who obeys them will live by them –and they utterly desecrated My Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out My wrath on them and destroy them in the desert. But for the sake of My name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out.

"Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the desert that I would not bring them into the land I had given them –a land flowing with milk and honey, most beautiful of all lands – because they rejected My laws and did not follow My decrees and desecrated My Sabbaths. For their hearts were devoted to their idols.

"Keep My Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God. But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow My decrees, they were not careful to keep My laws –although the man who obeys them will live by them –and they desecrated My Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out My wrath on them and spend My anger against them in the desert." Ezek. 20:13-21

God says "My Sabbaths." He punished Israel for desecrating His Sabbaths which He had given as a gracious gift.

The Blessings of Keeping the Sabbath

On the other hand, God promised great blessing if Israel would keep the Sabbath. "If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on My holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob." Isa. 58:13-14

Keeping the Sabbath would even ensure the continuity of the Davidic kingdom. "If you are careful to obey Me, declares the LORD, and bring no load through the gates of this city on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy by not doing any work on it, then kings who sit on David’s throne will come through the gates of this city with their officials. They and their officials will come riding in chariots and on horses, accompanied by the men of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, and this city will be inhabited forever.

"People will come from the towns of Judah and the villages around Jerusalem, from the territory of Benjamin and the western foothills, from the hill country and the Negev, bringing burnt offerings and sacrifices, grain offerings, incense and thank offerings to the house of the LORD. " Jer. 17:24-26

Observance in the Future

God makes it clear in Tanakh that the observance of the Sabbath will continue in the Messianic age. e.g. Ezek. 45:17, 46:1-4 He also makes it clear that the observance of the Sabbath will continue in the ages to come, even in the time of the new heavens and earth. In that time, all the nations will join with Israel in celebrating Shabbat.

" ‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the LORD, ‘so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before Me,’ says the LORD." Is.66:22-23

Gentiles and the Sabbath

There is no Biblical indication that God ever commanded the Gentiles to observe Shabbat. Throughout the Bible, Gentiles are condemned for transgressing different universal laws of God. they are condemned for transgressing each of the Ten Commandments, except for one – keeping the Sabbath. Yet the Sabbath is the one feast of the Lord which Gentiles are specifically invited and encouraged to keep. God promises to bless anyone who keeps the Sabbath.

"This is what the LORD says: ‘Maintain justice and do what is right, for My salvation is close at hand and My righteousness will soon be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.

"Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, ‘The LORD will surely exclude me from His people.’ And let not any eunuch complain, ‘I am only a dry tree.’ For this is what the LORD says: ‘To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, who choose what pleases Me and hold fast to My covenant – to them I will give within My temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

" ‘And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve Him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship Him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to My covenant – these I will bring to My holy mountain and give them joy in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.’ " Isa. 56:1-7

Gentiles are not commanded to keep the Sabbath, but they are encouraged to. Those Gentiles who join themselves to the Lord and keep His Sabbaths will receive joy and an eternal inheritance from the Lord. God always intended Shabbat to be a blessing, not a burden.

Shabbat in the New Covenant

Now we can examine the place of Shabbat in the New Covenant. Despite the importance that God placed upon the Sabbath, and the blessings He promised for keeping it, we and our fathers did not keep it. Consequently, all the judgments He promised came upon us. We did not obey God. We did not rest, and we did not let the land rest. So we were sent into exile. Then "The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah." 2Chr. 36:21

Even after the return from the Babylonian exile, we still did not keep the Sabbath. e.g. Neh.13:15-22 God had redeemed us from slavery in Egypt and invited us, commanded us, to enter His rest, but we never did. We never submitted to the one who redeemed us. Our failure to keep the Sabbath was so complete that the Rabbis later said that if Israel were to keep one Sabbath, Messiah would come.

In an effort to protect the sanctity of the Sabbath, the Pharisees surrounded it with many laws. The Law of God had commanded the observance of Shabbat, but had not produced that observance. The Pharisees were mistaken in thinking that the laws of men could produce what the Law of God could not. They tried to compel obedience by restricting Israel’s actions even more. They prohibited what God had approved.

It was into that atmosphere that Yeshua came, teaching that, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27 For him, the Sabbath was a time to teach, to heal, to set people free. The Pharisees did not see it that way.

"Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, ‘There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.’

"The Lord answered him, ‘You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?’ " Luke 13:14-16

God had commanded that even the animals should rest on Shabbat. For that to take place, it was necessary that the animals be given water and fed. Cows needed to be milked, or they would be in great pain. In the sight of God, there was a difference between doing those chores so that the animals could rest and doing the same chores for the owner’s economic benefit. The same act was both permitted and prohibited, depending upon the motivation.

It was also recognized that circumcision – i.e. initiating a child into the Abrahamic covenant – took precedence over Shabbat. So did saving a life. So did the Passover. cf. Pesachim 65b-66a

Accordingly, consistent with Torah, Yeshua taught, "How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Mt. 12:12 God is the definer of what is good. Yeshua was not teaching men to break the law - which is holy, righteous, and good - he was teaching them how to uphold it.

The following generations of Rabbis added still more laws. In the words of the Talmud, "The laws concerning the Sabbath... are as mountains hanging by a hair, for they have scant scriptural basis but many laws." Hag.10a These laws were the creation of the Rabbis, but the Sabbath is a time to celebrate God setting us free from the slavery of men.

The Rabbis had it backwards when they said that if Israel were to keep one Sabbath, Messiah would come. It is the coming of Messiah that enables us to keep the Sabbath. When he comes, he brings the New Covenant. Through the New Covenant we receive the Spirit of the Lord to enable us to walk in obedience. "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His." Hebr. 4:9-10

Keeping the Sabbath

We all need rest for our souls, but we usually live according to the demands of our schedules. If we can rest, we do. If we can’t, we don’t. We know that God could rest, but we can’t, because we have so much to do.

We forget what Solomon in all his wisdom learned: "Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain. In vain you rise early and stay up late, toiling for food to eat – for He grants sleep to those He loves." Ps. 127:1-2

There is something displeasing to God in our unceasing labor. As David said in Psalm 23:2, "He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me to waters of rest." Yeshua proclaimed that the Sabbath was made for man. In Hebrew, his words are more revealing: "Shabbat was made for Adam, not Adam for Shabbat." God created Adam on the sixth day. He made the seventh day a day of rest for Adam’s sake. God Himself had no need to rest. If we, the descendants of Adam, do not rest, we distort the nature and purpose of our own lives.

We must first accept the fact that the Lord is in charge of building the house. It is the Lord who gives us rest. It is the Lord who makes us holy. Shabbat was made for us, but that doesn't mean that we can do with it as we please. All things are to be used according to the purpose for which God created them. In doing that, we receive from these created things what the Creator intends for us to receive.

The Sabbath is a time to humbly commemorate the creation of God, and recognize our need for His deliverance. It is a time to cease from the business – religious and otherwise – of men. When we enter into the rest of God, then we can keep the Sabbath. God tells us that we keep the Sabbath holy, "If you keep...from doing as you please..., if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words." Isa. 58:13-14

God’s purpose for Shabbat remains the same. That is why we are told, "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." Hebr. 4:9-11

Observance of the holy Sabbath flows from a relationship with the Holy One. When we seek to minutely specify what is permitted and what is prohibited, we substitute law for relationship. THE law of Shabbat is, "Do not do your own will. Do what God wants you to do."

Can a person be mistaken, confused, or deceived about what God wants them to do? Of course. However, the path to clarity is not human legislation, but rather developing a closer relationship with God. It is not in the decrees of an elite. It is in taking individual responsibility for one’s own life before God, and walking humbly with God. For God characterizes the New Covenant as one in which "you shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them." Jer.31:34

By resting from labor, Israel was to proclaim that the earth belongs to the Lord, Israel belongs to the Lord, and all her work belongs to the Lord. All things, especially His people, belong to Him. All the work that is done on the other six days must be done in the light of that. We were slaves of men, but God set us free. We are to live, work, and rest as free men, not as slaves of other people or things.

All that we have belongs to God, but we follow the faith and example of Abraham (and Jacob) in giving a tithe to God. The tithe is not a substitute for godly living. It should be its fruit, a tangible recognition of the sovereignty of God. Yeshua warned, "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices –mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law –justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." Matt. 23:23

In the same way, all our time belongs to God, but setting apart Shabbat is like a tithe, a tangible recognition of His sovereignty over time. It is not a substitute for, nor the measure of, a godly life. It should be its fruit. In every week there is a seventh day.* In fact, it is the seventh day that divides time and makes a week a week. The seventh day is the end of the week. The seventh day is Shabbat. God made it so when He created the world. It will still be so when He creates the new heavens and the new earth. God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. That is forever true.

We can choose to live as though we were not set apart to God, and we can choose to live as though the seventh day were not set apart to God, but God has called us to live as a holy people. He made us holy, saying to our fathers, "I am the LORD, who makes you holy....The children of Israel are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as an everlasting covenant."

*Some theologians have taught that Sunday has become Shabbat. There is not a single scripture anywhere in the Bible that says anything even remotely supportive of such a teaching. There is no sense to such a teaching. The first day is the first day, not the seventh. God created Shabbat as the commemoration of the conclusion of His work of creation. Sunday is a fine day for meeting, worshipping God, resting, or commemorating the resurrection of Messiah, but it is not the seventh day, the day which God made holy. Shabbat commemorates the completion of God's creative work.



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Gentiles and the Sabbath

There is no Biblical indication that God ever commanded the Gentiles to observe Shabbat.
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Of course there is. Jesus said keep the commandments. They continued to keep the Sabbath after Jesus was resurrected. Nowhere is the Sabbath done away with.

You only make excuse for your whore worship, as a daughter of Rome. Teaching others to be lawless ?
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My young family just finished our Sabbath home-worship service! It is truly a good feeling to have broken from man's Sunday tradition and go back to God's true Sabbath observance! We will still attend church on Sunday's for the sole purpose of telling as many as possible about His TRUE Sabbath. In the meantime, my three young boys will be taught to follow God's Sabbath worship and as they grow older, they can help other's break the spell! Glory by to God!
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* Glory BE to God!*
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but I suggest it doesn't really matter, the old law is dead.

If you choose a day to worship God, and you believe and interpret it to be the right day, then that is what matters to God in my opinon.

I associate with some Christians who worship on Saturday, and some on who do on Sunday, I consider them all brothers and sisters and I expect to be with them all in heaven.

don't get hung up on the little stuff.
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My young family just finished our Sabbath home-worship service! It is truly a good feeling to have broken from man's Sunday tradition and go back to God's true Sabbath observance! We will still attend church on Sunday's for the sole purpose of telling as many as possible about His TRUE Sabbath. In the meantime, my three young boys will be taught to follow God's Sabbath worship and as they grow older, they can help other's break the spell! Glory be to God!
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LOL, When I first learned about the Sabbath I wanted to change all the other churches, hoping to unite them all on the Sabbath twirl I sent out numerous letters to inform them they were in error. No replies.

Of the several Sabbath keeping churches the Adventist have the most correct biblical message and true understanding. Actually finding what was lost during the dark ages.

I had found the Sabbath and then moved back to my hometown and was looking for a Sabbath church and didn't know which one... I went to the CoG group meetings... It was at this time the Adventist sent out flyers in the mail for a prophecy seminar. My son and myself went and were baptized.

For a time I was going to the CoG and the SDA church and can now tell you all the CoG are in great error. They are really no better than the Baptist on understanding the Bible. They are futurist with their doctrine centering on Israel and a coming antichrist. Somewhat of a 7th-day Baptist.

Are the CoG lost, or have the mark of the beast?

To have the mark of the beast is two-fold: one must either break the commandments, following instead the teachings of man from the beast (Sunday-Christmas-Easter) and/or have a false doctrine from the beast, not the true remnant faith. We find this in Revelation 14:9-12.

v.12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
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Acts 20:7


but I suggest it doesn't really matter, the old law is dead.

If you choose a day to worship God, and you believe and interpret it to be the right day, then that is what matters to God in my opinon.

I associate with some Christians who worship on Saturday, and some on who do on Sunday, I consider them all brothers and sisters and I expect to be with them all in heaven.

don't get hung up on the little stuff.
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the old law is not dead

Matthew 5:17-20
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
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The Sabbath and the Council of Trent

It was upon this very point that the Reformation was condemned by the Council of Trent. The Reformers had constantly charged, as here stated, that the Catholic Church had "apostatized from the truth as contained in the written word. "The written word," "The Bible and the Bible only," "Thus saith the Lord," these were their constant watchwords; and "the Scripture, as in the written word, the sole standard of appeal," this was the proclaimed platform of the Reformation and of Protestantism. "The Scripture and tradition." The Bible as interpreted by the Church and according to the unanimous consent of the Fathers," this was the position and claim of the Catholic Church. This was the main issue in the Council of Trent, which was called especially to consider the questions that had been raised and forced upon the attention of Europe by the Reformers. The very first question concerning faith that was considered by the council was the question involved in this issue. There was a strong party even of the Catholics within the council who were in favor of abandoning tradition and adopting the Scriptures only, as the standard of authority. This view was so decidedly held in the debates in the council that the Pope's legates actually wrote to him that there was "a strong tendency to set aside tradition altogether and to make Scripture the sole standard of appeal." But to do this would manifestly be to go a long way toward justifying the claims of the Protestants. By this crisis there was developed upon the ultra-Catholic portion of the council the task of convincing the others that "Scripture and tradition" were the only sure ground to stand upon. If this could be done, the Council could be carried to issue a decree condemning the Reformation, otherwise not. The question was debated day after day, until the Council was fairly brought to a standstill. Finally, after a long and intensive mental strain, the Archbishop of Reggio came into the Council with substantially the following argument to the party who held for Scripture alone:

"The Protestants claim to stand upon the written word only. They profess to hold the Scripture alone as the standard of faith. They justify their revolt by the plea that the Church has apostatized from the written word and follows tradition. Now the Protestants claim, that they stand upon the written word only, is not true. Their profession of holding the Scripture alone as the standard of faith, is false. PROOF: The written word explicitly enjoins the observance of the seventh day as the Sabbath. They do not observe the seventh day, but reject it. If they do truly hold the scripture alone as their standard, they would be observing the seventh day as is enjoined in the Scripture throughout. Yet they not only reject the observance of the Sabbath enjoined in the written word, but they have adopted and do practice the observance of Sunday, for which they have only the tradition of the Church. Consequently the claim of 'Scripture alone as the standard,' fails; and the doctrine of 'Scripture and tradition' as essential, is fully established, the Protestants themselves being judges."

Archbishop Reggio of Calabra made his speech at the last opening session of Trent, on the 18th of January, 1562. -- Heinrich Julius Holzmann, Kanon und Tradition (Canon and Tradition), published in Ludwigsburg, Germany, in 1859, page 263.
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It is not actually "little stuff" imho


In fact, will be one of the 'crimes' some will be persecuted for-proving the truth in prophecy as self evident-and it shall be-proving those who are unable to abide in the small things can surely not abide in the greater



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but believe as you choose-each convicts themselves
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SABBATH HISTORY

1st Century AD. Jesus

1. "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up; and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

2. Jesus: "...The sabbath was made for man…" Mark 2:27

3. Paul: "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures." Acts 17:2-3

4. Paul and Gentiles. "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the Word of God." Acts 13:42,44

2nd Century. Early Christians

"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to that purpose." Dialogue on the Lord's Day, p.189. London: 1701. By Dr. T.H. Morer (Church of England).

3rd and 4th Centuries. Orient and Most of the World

1. "The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day. . .It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival. . . . Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath; Epiphanius says the same." Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II. Book XX, chap 3, Sec. 1 66.1137, 1138.

2. Council of Laodicea. "From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observation of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors; yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it." Sunday a Sabbath, John Ley, p. 163. London: 1640.

3. "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s Day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ." Catholic Church Council in Laodicea, 364AD, Canon 29.
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I just got home from my Sabbath fellowship, too.

What an amazing difference there is in my faith and walk now that some key, important, core beliefs and behaviors have been rectified and brought in line with His will.

A great winnowing is going on, where faithful and obedient believers are learning to show their respect and love for their Creator the way HE told us to do...and not love their man-made doctrine and traditions, more.

Wake up, wake up, wake up, O Body of believers--before the Master comes and you foolish virgins find yourself with no oil in your lamps to go out to meet your Bridegroom!


Blessed is the Sabbath and blessed are those who keep it set-apart and holy.
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Happy Sabbath to all!

I have not yet found a Sabbath assembly to worship with anywhere near by. (The closest is a 1 1/2 hour drive away) But, I set aside the day for studying His word and communing with fellow believers on the Internet.
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Gentiles and the Sabbath

There is no Biblical indication that God ever commanded the Gentiles to observe Shabbat.


Of course there is. Jesus said keep the commandments. They continued to keep the Sabbath after Jesus was resurrected. Nowhere is the Sabbath done away with.

You only make excuse for your whore worship, as a daughter of Rome. Teaching others to be lawless ?
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Did you even read the article posted? Looks like you have not.Actually it belongs to a Messianic Jewish scholar . Where does it say anything about Shabbat done away with? And what right do you have to accuse the author or me of a whore worship? Speaking of Gods Laws and Yeshua, you are actually accusing your brethren...Sad for you...
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the old law is not dead

Matthew 5:17-20
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
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thanks for the scripture, it was bad wording on my part.

the old law has been fullfilled and we cannot hope to reach heaven by keeping it, it cannot be done.


No one will reach heaven becuase they worship God on Saturday rather than Sunday, or vice versa, they will reach heaven because they have Jesus, who makes the law inapplicable to them in the final result.

as another poster replied to my earlier post, each will convict themselves, well, we will all be convicted of something without Jesus by our side. While the old law may not be dead, it is moot in how it relates to salvation.


Here is what Acts 20:7 says:


Acts 20:7 (King James Version)

7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


That is why many feel the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.

I again say that it is little stuff. Choosing to worship God, and doing so to the best of your abilities as you believe it should be done, is what counts IMO.
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Acts 20:7 in context

 6And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

 7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

 8And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.



Verse 6 mentions the Feast of Unleavened Bread - which they obviously still observing. The Feasts of YHWH are considered High Sabbaths - if they still honored High Sabbaths, do you really think they would a abandon the weekly Sabbath???

In Jewish timekeeping, the Sabbath (7th day), ended at sunset.

Verse 7 states that since Paul planned on leaving in the morning, they stayed up till midnight listening to his teachings since he would be leaving soon.

Rather obvious when read in context that this has nothing to do with Sabbath worship.
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10 April 2010

So all these little harlot churches today are on the same broad path on their way to Hell



Most of the so-called Christians......


It is the Law that separates them that are going to Heaven or Hell.....





All those who do not keep His Lord's day of rest on the seventh day and yet call Him Lord are to be found as a liar.....




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Setting aside the question of which day we should worship God on, the original post sounds terribly hateful, judgemental and plain wrong in my opinion.

I highlighted the statements that I base that opinion on.


The original post puts over 99% of Christians, who love Jesus and follow his commands to the best of their ability, in hell. Absolutley ridicolous.


It is not following the law perfectly that gets one into heaven, no one can do that. It is accepting and following Jesus that does that.


I understand how much man has tampered with God's word and his commands, and I am willing to listen and to consider the jist of what is being said here.

However no denomination gets it all right, not the one we attend, not any of them. If anyone thinks theirs is perfect and everyone else is going to hell regardless, then that person needs to get off their high horse.
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But Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sundays :(.
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The original post puts over 99% of Christians, who love Jesus and follow his commands to the best of their ability, in hell. Absolutley ridicolous.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940317


Not necessarily discarded into outer darkness, but will be the least in the Kingdom.

God will be merciful, but justice will be served.
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10 April 2010

So all these little harlot churches today are on the same broad path on their way to Hell



Most of the so-called Christians......


It is the Law that separates them that are going to Heaven or Hell.....





All those who do not keep His Lord's day of rest on the seventh day and yet call Him Lord are to be found as a liar.....







Setting aside the question of which day we should worship God on, the original post sounds terribly hateful, judgemental and plain wrong in my opinion.

I highlighted the statements that I base that opinion on.


The original post puts over 99% of Christians, who love Jesus and follow his commands to the best of their ability, in hell. Absolutley ridicolous.


It is not following the law perfectly that gets one into heaven, no one can do that. It is accepting and following Jesus that does that.


I understand how much man has tampered with God's word and his commands, and I am willing to listen and to consider the jist of what is being said here.

However no denomination gets it all right, not the one we attend, not any of them. If anyone thinks theirs is perfect and everyone else is going to hell regardless, then that person needs to get off their high horse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940317






Re your quote: "The original post puts over 99% of Christians, who love Jesus and follow his commands to the best of their ability, in hell. Absolutley ridicolous."


I quote a portion of one of Elijah's messages, one of many like it, from 2008 from the website where Elijah's messages appear):


"During my stay in Washington, D.C., I was given to be baptized in a
Holiness Pentecostal church in Jesus' Name as written in Acts 2:38.
While there I asked the Lord two questions. The first was "How many of
these supposed believers are going to be redeemed by You and taken to
Your Kingdom not of this Earth" John 18:36?


And the second question was, "Would you allow me to know who are your
real brethren according to Your Word as the very elect chosen and
faithful few as written in Matthew 24:22-24?"


To the first question He said, "Less than 2% of these supposed born
again believers will be found worthy to be called." That was in 1983.
Now with so many falling away as written in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, it
is likely less than 1%."

From website:
[link to groups.yahoo.com]


The reason why the figure of 1% is so low is that the vast majority of Christians are not keeping Sabbath, but are following a lie instigated by the Vatican's Emperor Constantine who changed the Lord's Sabbath to his sun god worship day.


This day choose life or death: Are you going to obey God or are you going to follow the Catholic Church?


If your pastor refuses to keep Sabbath, then you will join him in Hell. Strong words, but it is the absolute biblical truth and you cannot take this lightly as keeping the Sabbath is one of God's commandments which our Lord Jesus told us to keep if we love Him, John 14:15. If you don't keep Sabbath, the scripture infers you don't love Him.


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we can cast all our cares upon Jesus Christ -- He cares about us

and strive to enter His rest

we come to Him as we are heavy laden He gives us rest

His yoke is easy; His burden light

we keep our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ -- the author finisher and perfecter of our faith

and we don't allow anyone to judge us

as we ourselves do not judge nor condemn but rather forgive

and love one another -- including our enemies

love peace and joy

rb
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we can cast all our cares upon Jesus Christ -- He cares about us

and strive to enter His rest

we come to Him as we are heavy laden He gives us rest

His yoke is easy; His burden light

we keep our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ -- the author finisher and perfecter of our faith

and we don't allow anyone to judge us

as we ourselves do not judge nor condemn but rather forgive

and love one another -- including our enemies

love peace and joy

rb
 Quoting: rb 934729


"His rest" means Sabbath

Keeping the weekly Sabbaths and High Sabbaths of his Feasts is a dress rehearsal for entering His eternal Sabbath.
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"His rest" means Sabbath

Keeping the weekly Sabbaths and High Sabbaths of his Feasts is a dress rehearsal for entering His eternal Sabbath.
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The feasts and high yearly sabbaths were the shadow of the coming final sacrifice. They were nailed to the cross.

Col.2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"


The ten commandments of God's law remain forever.


Try here:
[link to www.colossians-2-16.info]
or here:
[link to www.sabbathtruth.com]
If you want video study on the issue:
[link to www.whitehorsemedia.com]
[link to kingmannafta.com]


hf hf
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"His rest" means Sabbath

Keeping the weekly Sabbaths and High Sabbaths of his Feasts is a dress rehearsal for entering His eternal Sabbath.


The feasts and high yearly sabbaths were the shadow of the coming final sacrifice. They were nailed to the cross.

Col.2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"


The ten commandments of God's law remain forever.


Try here:
[link to www.colossians-2-16.info]
or here:
[link to www.sabbathtruth.com]
If you want video study on the issue:
[link to www.whitehorsemedia.com]
[link to kingmannafta.com]


hf hf
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Hint: the word used here in the Greek is DOGMA, or 'Man's religion, or commandments'--such as the burdensome oral laws gathered up for generations and that had stifled the Hebrew people by the time Messiah arrived.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Feasts and and their High Sabbaths. God Himself said that His commandments were given to be kept FOREVER.

Forever did not come to an end when Messiah hung on that stake.
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Re your quote: "The original post puts over 99% of Christians, who love Jesus and follow his commands to the best of their ability, in hell. Absolutley ridicolous."


I quote a portion of one of Elijah's messages, one of many like it, from 2008 from the website where Elijah's messages appear):


"During my stay in Washington, D.C., I was given to be baptized in a
Holiness Pentecostal church in Jesus' Name as written in Acts 2:38.
While there I asked the Lord two questions. The first was "How many of
these supposed believers are going to be redeemed by You and taken to
Your Kingdom not of this Earth" John 18:36?


And the second question was, "Would you allow me to know who are your
real brethren according to Your Word as the very elect chosen and
faithful few as written in Matthew 24:22-24?"


To the first question He said, "Less than 2% of these supposed born
again believers will be found worthy to be called." That was in 1983.
Now with so many falling away as written in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, it
is likely less than 1%."

From website:
[link to groups.yahoo.com]


The reason why the figure of 1% is so low is that the vast majority of Christians are not keeping Sabbath, but are following a lie instigated by the Vatican's Emperor Constantine who changed the Lord's Sabbath to his sun god worship day.


This day choose life or death: Are you going to obey God or are you going to follow the Catholic Church?


If your pastor refuses to keep Sabbath, then you will join him in Hell. Strong words, but it is the absolute biblical truth and you cannot take this lightly as keeping the Sabbath is one of God's commandments which our Lord Jesus told us to keep if we love Him, John 14:15. If you don't keep Sabbath, the scripture infers you don't love Him.


.
 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 940313



You are way off the mark my friend. I'm sticking by what the bible says, and not what you thought you heard in D.C. in 1983.


You may or may not have good intent in saying these things, but I believe it likley this is the devil's work, working through you, trying to divide Christians and sow doubt.

The opinion that one must attend Church on Saturdays to obtain heaven is an incredible stretch, beyond belief really.

Attending church, on any day, has nothing to do with salvation.

Accepting and following Jesus is what does that.

I can back my opinion up with plenty of scriptures.

Do you have a bible? I'm anxious to hear what scripture you are using that says worshiping God on Sunday puts one in hell.

unbelievable.

Casual reader, don't fall for this stuff, read your bible yourselves, don't listen to these horribly flawed opinions.


Accept and love Jesus and do what he asks, and heaven will be yours. When, where or IF you attend church has NOTHING to do with it.
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"His rest" means Sabbath

Keeping the weekly Sabbaths and High Sabbaths of his Feasts is a dress rehearsal for entering His eternal Sabbath.


The feasts and high yearly sabbaths were the shadow of the coming final sacrifice. They were nailed to the cross.

Col.2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"


The ten commandments of God's law remain forever.


Try here:
[link to www.colossians-2-16.info]
or here:
[link to www.sabbathtruth.com]
If you want video study on the issue:
[link to www.whitehorsemedia.com]
[link to kingmannafta.com]


hf hf
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Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming. The fall feasts will not be fulfilled until He returns.

He in no way ended the keeping of the feasts. In fact, He even commanded we keep Passover - the 'last supper' was Passover Seder.
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Setting aside the whole Sabbath debate, why would any true Christian want to continue in the church's pagan holiday practices when they know that Christmas and Easter are pagan holidays? Once I found this out, I didn't want to have anything to do with celebrating them. If the churches are wrong about celebrating pagan holidays, then they're probably wrong about worshiping God on pagan SUNday.
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The feasts and high yearly sabbaths were the shadow of the coming final sacrifice. They were nailed to the cross.

Col.2:14-17 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"


The ten commandments of God's law remain forever.


Try here:
[link to www.colossians-2-16.info]
or here:
[link to www.sabbathtruth.com]
If you want video study on the issue:
[link to www.whitehorsemedia.com]
[link to kingmannafta.com]

________


Hint: the word used here in the Greek is DOGMA, or 'Man's religion, or commandments'--such as the burdensome oral laws gathered up for generations and that had stifled the Hebrew people by the time Messiah arrived.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Feasts and and their High Sabbaths. God Himself said that His commandments were given to be kept FOREVER.

Forever did not come to an end when Messiah hung on that stake.
 Quoting: 'da moonjoo 418932


DOGMA Greek is properly translated in English ORDINANCES as found in the KJV and the Geneva Bibles. Here's the Strong's you seem to have missed-
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Then, in the following verses exactly which ordinances are detailed. It is the Jewish sacrificial ordinances of the law of Moses. Why? Because Jesus is the final sacrifice.

Law "nailed to the cross" refers to the OT Mosaic cerimonial ordinances of the Jews.

Colossians 2:14-17 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The meat and drink of the cerimonial offerings (Ez.45:17) and high sabbaths that pointed as a schoolmaster toward a coming Messiah, the final sacrifice.

Eph.2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;

God's law of the ten commandments are forever. There are two laws. Moses' law of ordinances were writen by him, God's ten commandments were written by God.

Moses Law vs.
God's Ten
Commandments Law
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Study guide:
The Two Laws
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