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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

:DarkTwin20: :DarkTwin20:

What is known is that in this photo (color inverted) the Dark Twin appears 8 moon diameters in size. The Moon has a known distance from Earth (average) and has a known diameter (average or estimate).

:DarkTwinSi:

What is known is that this photo was taken on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am from North Carolina, when an almost full Moon was in the sky.

:DarkTwinCo:

What I want it determine is the DISTANCE FROM EARTH, approximate, of this planetary body, as there are hints that it may come closer and ... will not collide, but ... drama will ensue. I spend hours poking around the web looking for a formula to plug in and find for X, and have finally given up. Please please help!
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why did you feel the need to put your name in the title.

whats wrong with "i need some math help"

seems like you just threw ur name in there to catch attention
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Here's the Skymap for March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am. Note that the almost full Moon is flat/shadowed on the left hand side. This is the same side as the Dark Twin on the photo, not illuminated. The azimuth for the Moon is about 240, so not quite west but SW a bit. This is not pointing in the direction of the Earth's orbit exactly, too far out, but general direction yes.

:SkyMap:
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Here's what the Zetas said in 1995 at the start of the ZetaTalk saga.

ZetaTalk: Earth Twin
Note: written on Oct 15, 1995. [link to www.zetatalk.com]
Just as your Sun has a dead twin, the second focus of the 12th Planet's orbit, likewise your Earth has a dead twin that shares her orbit and is placed so exactly opposite the Earth that it can never be seen. Theories about the Earth's dark twin, which does exist, have been around for decades. They emerged because of the observed perturbations of the planets. This twin is close enough, within your Solar System, to be visible by the reflected rays from the Sun, if it were not hidden behind the Sun. That the dead twin matches pace with the Earth is not by coincidence. During the period when the Earth was knocked out of her initial orbit by a clash with one of the 12th Planet's travelers, the Earth found an orbital niche around the Sun that was appropriate for her size and composition, a niche, not surprisingly, that the dead twin likewise fits. Why do these matched planets place themselves exactly opposite? Any less than this creates an imbalance in the many forces that control orbits, such that there is pressure and nudging and pulling and increased or decreased speed on one or the other until this is perfectly balanced.

Put two ball bearings in a circular track and spin this, and you soon find that the balls are opposite each other. Just so do these two evenly matched planets find this position opposite each other.

Why did the ancient Summerians, quoting from the visitors from the 12th Planet, not count this twin? As they counted the Moon, for instance, it would seem too great an oversight for them to miss a planet the approximate size of Earth, and since they counted dead planets as well as those holding life, the Earth and Mars, there would be no reason for the oversight. The visitors from the Planet Xwere concerned with counting major road signs. Were you to travel cross country without a map, your directions would include major cities along the road, or major landmarks along the road, and the approximate distance between them, but there would be no necessity to go into detail about any given landmark, saying, for instance, that this city was larger than another. The cities would be known as the city by the river, or the city in the clouds, but not as the city with an equally large suburb nearby.

Their shuttles took them from their home, the 12th Planet, to the Earth or Mars or the Moon when the Planet Xwas crossing through the orbital plane. Coming in from the outer solar system, at an approximate 11 degree angle from the orbital plane, and peeping through their version of telescopes, the hominoids on the Planet Xcould identify the planets by their relative position from the Sun. Why was the Moon counted, and not the Earth's dead twin? They not only landed on Earth, they landed on the Moon where they had a telescopic station clear of the Earth's ever cloudy atmosphere. In fact, one of the reasons for recording the Moon was to differentiate it from its dead twin. It's the one in that position that has a Moon, not the other. Were they not interested in the dead twin, for mining? As it has no atmosphere, and no water to speak of, it was considered inhospitable. Mars was used until they ruined it, and the Moon was a stopping point only briefly. Their mining operations were a 3,657 year stint, a long time for living off supplies.

The Earth’s dead twin has likewise been omitted from astronomy lists due to the unease those who were in involved in Alternative 3 have about their past actions. Mankind’s awareness of this dead twin arose during the discussions that MJ12 had early on with aliens in the Service-to-Self just prior to the time of Roswell. During that time, ALL information learned from aliens was withheld from the public, and after the debacle that Alternative 3 became, releasing any information at all about the Earth’s dead twin was doomed for the lifetime of the participants. In the same manner that the records on JFK’s assassination will be sealed for several more decades, these records were sealed, to protect the guilty during their lifetimes. Who is aware of the Earth’s dead twin? NASA and JPL and a handful of astronomers working at the major observatories. Just as the approach of the 12th Planet, i.e. Planet X, is know to these individuals and kept from the public, information on the dead twin is a forbidden subject. This is termed a matter of national security, subject to imprisonment and other harsh punishment, and as those who enter into this realm soon discern, even an accidental death at the hands of those who fear the release of this information. Thus, the common man, without access to the information that NASA has but won’t allow the public access to, has no facts by which to arrive at the truth.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?
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And here is what they have to say about the dark object looming in space near Earth, captured on a photo March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am North Carolina time.

SOZT
This is the Dark Twin, which has been crowded up behind the Earth in their shared orbit, but the orbit they share is no longer exact, due to the crowding. The Dark Twin has pushed back, slightly away from the Sun, to avoid crowding the Earth, in the same manner that the Earth has pushed back in her orbit to avoid the approaching Planet X. Such crowding will increase as Planet X comes outbound from the Sun, closing the gap between itself and Earth. Dramas will ensue, which we decline to detail at the present time.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?
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Because I have to be on the same page to translate the answer. And I most certainly am NOT on the same page when it comes to math.
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why did you feel the need to put your name in the title.

whats wrong with "i need some math help"

seems like you just threw ur name in there to catch attention
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I figure all the snickering will keep this thread up the front page until a real mathematician comes along and rescues me, that's why.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?
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They dont know any math.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?


They dont know any math.
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Can you belive NANCY needs math help..Thought that eating the dogs was suppose to help that.
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Oh, another known is that the Moon is approximately 1/60 the size of Earth (got this from a NASA site).
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If I had to guess, I'd say about 8 million miles.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?


They dont know any math.



Can you belive NANCY needs math help..Thought that eating the dogs was suppose to help that.
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Snicker away, thanks for your help on keeping this on the front page of GLP.
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If I had to guess, I'd say about 8 million miles.
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Is that a hunch or a calculation? I'd like to know the formula in case we have to be using it in the near future. The Zetas promised drama.
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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

:DarkTwin20: :DarkTwin20:

What is known is that in this photo (color inverted) the Dark Twin appears 8 moon diameters in size. The Moon has a known distance from Earth (average) and has a known diameter (average or estimate).

:DarkTwinSi:

What is known is that this photo was taken on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am from North Carolina, when an almost full Moon was in the sky.

:DarkTwinCo:

What I want it determine is the DISTANCE FROM EARTH, approximate, of this planetary body, as there are hints that it may come closer and ... will not collide, but ... drama will ensue. I spend hours poking around the web looking for a formula to plug in and find for X, and have finally given up. Please please help!
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder

surely this is not nancy speaking..
She has never talked like she has at the end of this..
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How about a Right Ascension/Declination so others can look at what you are looking at?
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If I had to guess, I'd say about 8 million miles.


Is that a hunch or a calculation? I'd like to know the formula in case we have to be using it in the near future. The Zetas promised drama.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder

Both. Tossed some numbers around in my head and this is what I came up with.
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Why not ask your Zeta buddies?


They dont know any math.



Can you belive NANCY needs math help..Thought that eating the dogs was suppose to help that.
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I dont think she ate the dogs...she just got them killed....dont need any math for that.!!
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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Your basic premise is faulty, Nancy. Objects don't only reflect Sunlight toward Earth from certain angles. if that was true, we would never see a crescent Moon or Venus or any other body. We do. Your premise is downright silly. Objects dont cease to be visible as they approach Earth.
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Oh, another known is that the Moon is approximately 1/60 the size of Earth (got this from a NASA site).
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If I had to guess, I'd say about 8 million miles.
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Plus the square root of four...if im correct.
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How about a Right Ascension/Declination so others can look at what you are looking at?
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All I have is that Skymap thingie of where it was on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am. The Moon was apx 240 azimuth. I'm sure there is a way to determine RA and Dec from that, but that's another dang math formula.
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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

:DarkTwin20: :DarkTwin20:

What is known is that in this photo (color inverted) the Dark Twin appears 8 moon diameters in size. The Moon has a known distance from Earth (average) and has a known diameter (average or estimate).

:DarkTwinSi:

What is known is that this photo was taken on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am from North Carolina, when an almost full Moon was in the sky.

:DarkTwinCo:

What I want it determine is the DISTANCE FROM EARTH, approximate, of this planetary body, as there are hints that it may come closer and ... will not collide, but ... drama will ensue. I spend hours poking around the web looking for a formula to plug in and find for X, and have finally given up. Please please help!
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Why can't SOCKS or whoever the aliens are you talk to answer this?
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about 60 million miles distent

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I wish I could help you Nancy but my math is weak as well...I know there are some real math wizzis here and hopefully they can help...good luck with it.
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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]



Your basic premise is faulty, Nancy. Objects don't only reflect Sunlight toward Earth from certain angles. if that was true, we would never see a crescent Moon or Venus or any other body. We do. Your premise is downright silly. Objects dont cease to be visible as they approach Earth.
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Oh common now, Menow, this your chance to shine! You're always bragging about being an astronomer! I used to be able to go forth on sci.astro with a problem and math minded astronomer types would LEAP on it in a nanosecond. Fess up, Menow, you're NOT an astronomer, eh? You're a paid debunker and you are frantically calling your boss for the answer as I type, eh?
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about 60 million miles distent
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Can you give me the formula please? I'd hate to do this again in a month, given that the Zetas have promised drama.
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How about a Right Ascension/Declination so others can look at what you are looking at?


All I have is that Skymap thingie of where it was on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am. The Moon was apx 240 azimuth. I'm sure there is a way to determine RA and Dec from that, but that's another dang math formula.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder

You have to move the Moon to 280 azimuth to have a clear shot..and therefore make the right calculations.
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I admit it, I don't speak math fluently or at all since high school (where I took algebra, geometry, trig, and calculus and got no less than a B in a college prep high school, but that was a LONG time ago).

I need to find the distance from Earth to an object. What is known is the size of the object, the Dark Twin. It is Earth sized. I occupies the same orbit as Earth, more or less, and came up behind Earth in early 2004 after Earth halted in her orbit. We have photos and naked eye observations in early 2004 when this was temporarily easily visible because the angle of sunlight was such that it bounced off the Dark Twin to the eye, on Earth. See this link for testimonials:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

:DarkTwin20: :DarkTwin20:
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Nancy, your claimed image is from May 24. That is some 5 months after you claimed Earth halted in orbit. That means the alleged "Dark Twin" would have been 5/6 of the way around the Solar system to reaching Earth. Yet you claim that before it reached Earth during that next month, it stopped approaching and somehow became invisible.

How could it have changed from you alleged special angle to the Sun on may 24th to some alleged angle which rendered it invisible?

Your "Dark Twin" story is simply bogus, Nancy. There is no such object.
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I wish I could help you Nancy but my math is weak as well...I know there are some real math wizzis here and hopefully they can help...good luck with it.
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I once had a discussion going on sci.astro about the weight (mass) of the Moon and its distance vs the formulas for gravity (which reduces by distance). I got rescued right off, with several people crunching the numbers and spouting formulas, and it came out that the Moon, if at the surface of Earth (not out there) and moving as slowly as it does would be something like 23 million trillion tons, moving slower than the concord, in order to stay aloft (not thud to the surface). Thus, is is up there NOT because of centrifugal force, but ... tada ... the Repulsion Force.
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How about a Right Ascension/Declination so others can look at what you are looking at?


All I have is that Skymap thingie of where it was on March 30, 2010 at 5:00 am. The Moon was apx 240 azimuth. I'm sure there is a way to determine RA and Dec from that, but that's another dang math formula.

You have to move the Moon to 280 azimuth to have a clear shot..and therefore make the right calculations.
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The azimuth is not important to determine distance.
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