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Is the "great Tribulation" triggered by governments confiscating religions wealth?

 
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"And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.  And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.  For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.  And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth." Rv 17:15
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lol no. Likely a large comet/bolide strike. July 2010 should determine it or not
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Grow up you fuckin' idiot.
What the fuck is a great tribulation anyway?
And, after you define that for yourself, ask yourself what the fuck does that have to do with "religions wealth"?
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I have considered this to be a possible near future event. Revocation of 501-c status, then retro-active taxation on past earnings. Wow, what a windfall! They have all the records of the money involved. Contributors took the tax deduction up to the maximum allowed. Of course all the money men that built these false temples will be and are, amply rewarded, because they are the wolves in sheep clothing.

I am a Christian.

God says "for the time is come that judgement begin at the house of God: II Peter 1:17

Hebrews 12:27 ..... the removing of those things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Matt.21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves.

And all of this to fulfill this prophecy of scripture:

IIPeter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you.....

The churhes are operating in unbelief of the very words of their beloved God and Savior Jesus Christ

Matt.6:3 but when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thy alms may be in secret: and thy Father that seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. (no checks, no tax reporting, no benefit from the beast system)

All of this to fulfill the end of days prophecy against the harlot church system:

Rev. 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her: for no man buyeth their merchandise anymore.

God will have a purified bride and it is God that will cleanse His church
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I have considered this to be a possible near future event. Revocation of 501-c status, then retro-active taxation on past earnings. Wow, what a windfall! They have all the records of the money involved. Contributors took the tax deduction up to the maximum allowed. Of course all the money men that built these false temples will be and are, amply rewarded, because they are the wolves in sheep clothing.

I am a Christian.

God says "for the time is come that judgement begin at the house of God: II Peter 1:17

Hebrews 12:27 ..... the removing of those things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Matt.21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves.

And all of this to fulfill this prophecy of scripture:

IIPeter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you.....

The churhes are operating in unbelief of the very words of their beloved God and Savior Jesus Christ

Matt.6:3 but when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thy alms may be in secret: and thy Father that seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. (no checks, no tax reporting, no benefit from the beast system)

All of this to fulfill the end of days prophecy against the harlot church system:

Rev. 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her: for no man buyeth their merchandise anymore.

God will have a purified bride and it is God that will cleanse His church
 Quoting: AC 190160

Very well spoken but, let's clarify one thing, God has no union with satan's main church. "However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.
 "Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.  He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.  Do YOU not remember that, while I was yet with YOU, I used to tell YOU these things?
 And so now YOU know the thing that acts as a restraint, with a view to his being revealed in his own due time.  True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.: 2Thes2;1
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You are right that God has no union with satan's main church, but it is they who proclaim His name to all the world, albeit, they represent Him as a God of health, wealth, and all their hearts desire.
Perhaps these are the ones that will quickly denounce their allegiance with the One True God when the pruging of His Church starts?

To claim His name is to be subject to his cleansing of the temple I would think, even if they entered in because they sought the things of the world and justified it all by using His Name?
He says they will not remain
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There will be no tribulation. sorry! hf
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America was formed by Christians fleeing the Great Tribulation. If you open your eyes, you will see you are still in it, and things are about to get worse. The dragon will not rest till he has destroyed not the church, but the people in it. Those who keep the faith of Jesus, and keep the commandments of God.
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It's all about your mind you know!!

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The tribulation is caused by a meteoric hail and impact event in Rev 18:21 & chapter 8. The skies are darker BEFORE the Lord arrives in Acts 2:20 and Joel 2:30. And the darker skies are because of the impact event in Rev 8:12.

Bible's scientifically accurate in describing the effects of a major hail& impact event: a global quake collapsing the cities all at once, part of earth scorched, waves roaring, and darker skies. No electricity, water mains broken and roads globally... a tribulation such as never seen before; and deserved by these sorry assed anti-theists here who mock.

There was no science to aid the predictors in predicting.
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793721 - You are right the church (true church) has always been in tribulation and it will get worse according to Jesus.
That is what we are talking about here. By what means will the beast system use to once again pursue the true church??
Right now I see them using money to cause churches to swear allegiance to the beast system (501-c which puts the government as head of these churches)
This of course benefits everyone with non profit tax exempt status.
I was suggesting in the post above about the removal of this tax exempt status as a means for the government to confiscate all the ill-gotten wealth of the church system ran by the beast, and causing many professors of the faith to leave since there will be no monetary benefits. Which would in effect cleanse the church/
Next they are going to use their UN global religion to try and destroy the true church by offering all those that climb aboard gifts, and persecution for those that are hindering this peaceful, all inclusive love fest.

This is the great tribulation. The stealing of souls by manna. Of course the loss of life will be assured as laws are made against us because we will not swear allegiance with this beast system


To the person that wrote about no electricity, broken water mains and roads in the tribulation period. I am afraid at least a third of the church right now has never had access to these things so there loss wouldn't mean much too them. These would be the loss of modern conveniences - not a sign that the tribulation has begun.
Again like 793721 said, the church (true church) has always been in tribulation, there will be a marked increase of this tribulation soon if not already. It was prohecied to be. The Tribulation comes at the hand of the Beast system.
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America was formed by Christians fleeing the Great Tribulation. If you open your eyes, you will see you are still in it, and things are about to get worse. The dragon will not rest till he has destroyed not the church, but the people in it. Those who keep the faith of Jesus, and keep the commandments of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793721

Which disqualifies the pilgrim "Christians", who left the church behind, but brought it's sword against the American's who wouldn't surrender their land or bow to the pilgrims warlord "jesus".
"Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword." Mt26:52
" He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." Jo3:36 :yoda:
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In the old Testament when God sent the Hebrews out to conquer and possess the land, it was God who decided that the inhabitants of that land had filled up their cup of abomination and gave the victory to the Hebrews.
Forbidden practices were committed by these tribes. Forbidden by God in His Word. They had been warned.
If the Church had not been so persecuted, first by the Popes and then the mirror image Church of England, they would not have fled to the new country, or as the Bible puts it, into the wilderness.
I like Indians as a respected people. I am part Indian myself. I do not however regret the fact that Christ is my faith and I don't offer up prayers to material creations. There is not one country in the world that has not displaced another tribe to inhabit it.
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The gov taking all the wealth of the Catholic church?? LOL, yea, you do realize where the real power lies?
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No, more like the Catholic Church (real government) taking the wealth of the Jesuit instituted mega churches they created for this heist
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"God has no union with satan's main church."


This may be abit off topic, but how can you say that?

Your entire 66 book Bible configuration has been completely arranged and ordained by the Catholic church per the Council of Nicaea AD 325.
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Yes this is a future event that will happen in the future, God "Jehovah" will put it in the government's hearts to remove religion, why? the U.S is in debt and look at religion sitting on billions of dollars. Yes this is a future event that will happen INSTANTLY

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Normally I avoid these religitard threads, but I have to ask, Why does any church need "wealth"?

To quote Bono, "The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister."
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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Great trib already happened.

Rev 17, I believe already happened, too.

To find when Rev 17 was you need to ID when those "42 months" of Rev 13 were.

Those chapters are all fulfilled since the end of the holy roman empire or French Revolution in the late 18th century. Today we are in chapter 19 just before the Second Coming. And this fits with 2000 years from the cross, circa 2031.
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Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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One more view for the mix.
The woes of the final days is said to start with the 5th trump if you consider Satan as the start of tribulation. That consumes 5 months of a total 42 months, the 6th trump takes up the rest of that time and when the 7th trump sounds all that is destroyed in a few hours and it can be argued that it follows the timeline on the day of the cross only just before sunset all the ones meant to be alive for the 1,000 years will be in the same state Jesus was on the morning of His resurrection, alive but not yet in His glorified body, that will require a trip to the rives described in Eze.47.

Trumps 5 and 6 combined are called tribulation and seal 4 is the prophecy about what they bring, death and hell are the names, hell being the torment for the 5 months stating with the sound of the 5th trump, death starts when the 6th trump sounds and in 1110 days 1/3 of the planet will be killed by 4 fallen angels that literally manifest into an angelic army consisting of horse-sized that number 200M in total.
(the math can be explored by using the data on the river of blood that flows up to the horse's bridles (4ft) and 1500 furlongs in length. Some science book should be able to give the amount of blood in a draft horse and a big husky man and you have the width. Think big because the river in Eze.47 is 6,000ft just to the point swimming is required)

That is the first 2 of 3 woes (Re:8), the 3rd woe starts with the 7th trump and in a few hours all 7 vials are poured out and Satan is in chains in the Pit (just outside the gates of hell), all his human followers (2/3 of mankind)are on the other sides of the gates of hell if they were part of a war industry when the 7th trumps sounds, repenting after that won't change anything as everybody sent there will repent before the 1,000 years is up. In 3 1/2 hours Jesus does more 'wrath' on people that Satan could do in 3 1/2 years.

Re.18:8
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

M't.24:21
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.
Re.2:22
Behold,
I will cast her into a bed,
and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation,
except they repent of their deeds.
Re.7:14
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Summary

It comes under the term 'thinking inside the book'. Only 3 passages to reference but it should be enough of you consider that if Re.7 is the passage that says how people will be gathered, the 144,000 from the 12 tribes will be all that will see the return from the House of Israel, the rest going back to Abraham's children will need resurrection in order to see again and that happens after the wrath but before evening of the same day, officially the start of the day of the Lord or the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign.

The 2nd group references Gentiles and some Gentiles will be as protected as the 144,000 but the final number will not be arrived at until the 7th trump sounds, repented people will remain alive, un-repented ones will not see life until God gives them a parole at the GWT event. (if they were destined to the lake they would have been sent there when Satan was released, being on the other side of a locked gate prevented that from happening so the only option left is they are brought back to life and then the new earth starts and nobody ever goes to the lake even though the law in Re.21 is in effect.

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Normally I avoid these religitard threads, but I have to ask, Why does any church need "wealth"?

To quote Bono, "The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister."
 Quoting: Factual Error

There is such a thing as false christian, the 'Church' is anyplace 2 or 3 gather to talk about God, when you reference something from the Bible that is equal to God putting in His POV so it is as close to face-to-face as it can get. A large group sitting in silence listening to 1 person drone on about something nobody is allowed to question is not what is supposed to happen. More like a toned down version of what happened in Acts 2.

By right a person who starts to study the Bible @20 might take 5 years, a person at 30 can do it in a month and not even push it unless he has a lot of wrong versions to displace first and there is no shortcut to that step.
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