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Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state

 
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Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
They say it's needed to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty. Yeah! States are getting tired of being walked on by the federal government.



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OKLAHOMA CITY – Frustrated by recent political setbacks, tea party leaders and some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature say they would like to create a new volunteer militia to help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force. They say the unit would not resemble militia groups that have been raided for allegedly plotting attacks on law enforcement officers.

"Is it scary? It sure is," said tea party leader Al Gerhart of Oklahoma City, who heads an umbrella group of tea party factions called the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. "But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?"

Thus far, the discussions have been exploratory. Even the proponents say they don't know how an armed force would be organized nor how a state-based militia could block federal mandates. Critics also asserted that the force could inflame extremism, and that the National Guard already provides for the state's military needs.

"Have they heard of the Oklahoma City bombing?" said Joseph Thai, a constitutional law professor at the University of Oklahoma. The state observes the 15th anniversary of the anti-government attack on Monday. Such actions could "throw fuel in the fire of radicals," he said.

But the militia talks reflect the frustration of some grass roots groups seeking new ways of fighting recent federal initiatives, such as the health reform plan, which requires all citizens to have health insurance. Over the last year, tea party groups across the country have staged rallies and pressured politicians to protest big government and demand reduced public spending.

In strongly conservative states like Oklahoma, some legislators have also discussed further action to fight federal policies, such as state legislation and lawsuits.

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, a Republican candidate for governor who has appealed for tea party support, said supporters of a state militia have talked to him, and that he believes the citizen unit would be authorized under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The founding fathers "were not referring to a turkey shoot or a quail hunt. They really weren't even talking about us having the ability to protect ourselves against each other," Brogdon said. "The Second Amendment deals directly with the right of an individual to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from an overreaching federal government."

Another lawmaker, state Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, said he believes there's a good chance of introducing legislation for a state-authorized militia next year.

Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

"It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

State militias clearly are constitutionally authorized, but have not been used in recent times, said Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee and an expert on the Second Amendment. "Whether someone should get a militia to go toe-to-toe with the federal government ... now, that strikes me as kind of silly," he said.

Some conservative legislators in Oklahoma say talk of a militia, which would be privately recruited, armed and trained, goes too far.

"If the intent is to create a militia for disaster relief, we have the National Guard," said Sen. Steve Russell, R-Oklahoma City, a retired Army lieutenant colonel. "Anything beyond that purpose should be viewed with great concern and caution."

Democratic Gov. Brad Henry's communications director Paul Sund also discounted the militia discussion, saying the National Guard handles state emergencies and security.

Federal authorities say that radical militia groups have not emerged in Oklahoma, unlike many other states, in part because of the legacy of the Oklahoma City bombing. On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Tim McVeigh exploded a truckbomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people.

Last month, FBI agents conducted a raid on the Hutaree militia group in southern Michigan and accused members of plotting to kill law enforcement officers.
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
First Oklahoma...then????? There's a big wide eye- opening going on. banana2
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teabaggers...lol...
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Not just tea partiers support this.
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AHH! My home State..the only State in the Union where EVERY single county went against Obama

Say what you want about Okies but they can smell a rat.
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Good. All states should do this and say to the feds to fuck off.
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AHH! My home State..the only State in the Union where EVERY single county went against Obama

Say what you want about Okies but they can smell a rat.
 Quoting: mathetes


Hmm interesting... well I wonder if it is time to join my cousin in OK.
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Awesome Oklahoma!
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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AHH! My home State..the only State in the Union where EVERY single county went against Obama

Say what you want about Okies but they can smell a rat.


Hmm interesting... well I wonder if it is time to join my cousin in OK.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792052

They also made it almost impossible for illegals to work there... And the housing market while taking a slight hit is still good

And btw the way their electricity rates are fricking half of mine in Texas
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Becareful, OKC bombing was done in that state for a reason..

Stay away from any state sponsored militia!! Because they start one with an innocent reason, then pass some law stating that is the official state militia, so any other one they can claim as being just a bunch crazy loonies and not legit militia and use that to disarm them, or inhibit their ability to coordinate training etc. Then they outlaw any militia that isn't a state sponsored one and badda bing badda boom, the militia have fallen under the power of those in power.
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See how it goes...
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Wow, can I move to Oklahoma if this goes thru!?

That is awesome!
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
AHH! My home State..the only State in the Union where EVERY single county went against Obama

Say what you want about Okies but they can smell a rat.


Hmm interesting... well I wonder if it is time to join my cousin in OK.

They also made it almost impossible for illegals to work there... And the housing market while taking a slight hit is still good

And btw the way their electricity rates are fricking half of mine in Texas
 Quoting: mathetes



Sounds like OK is holding up well. hf
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
AHH! My home State..the only State in the Union where EVERY single county went against Obama

Say what you want about Okies but they can smell a rat.


Hmm interesting... well I wonder if it is time to join my cousin in OK.

They also made it almost impossible for illegals to work there... And the housing market while taking a slight hit is still good

And btw the way their electricity rates are fricking half of mine in Texas



Sounds like OK is holding up well. hf
 Quoting: Cowboy Blue

Its the folks that live there that make it great

BTW nice catch finding the story! :)
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Don't make us come down there again...
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Its the folks that live there that make it great

BTW nice catch finding the story! :)


Thank you.
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
Randy Graf of AZ has indicated that they have a bill set to go through that will allocate 20 Million for the set up of an Arizona Minutemen militia - looks like they will send them to the border. Nice...
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Don't make us come down there again...
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bring it on pitiful yankee
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All this means is that states are losing their authority. Whereas they would have prosecuted u for these offenses, now they praise you which shows their agenda and our role in it.
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
Randy Graf of AZ has indicated that they have a bill set to go through that will allocate 20 Million for the set up of an Arizona Minutemen militia - looks like they will send them to the border. Nice...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692625



This is what happens when you get no help from the feds, you rely on your own to get the job done.
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This is what happens when you get no help from the feds, you rely on your own to get the job done.
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y'all are smart enough to know you're not getting paid for this, right?? And you also complain about President Obama's volunteer programs?

Why, I do declare. Y'all act like a bunch of SOCIALISTS.

rofl
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
Randy Graf of AZ has indicated that they have a bill set to go through that will allocate 20 Million for the set up of an Arizona Minutemen militia - looks like they will send them to the border. Nice...



This is what happens when you get no help from the feds, you rely on your own to get the job done.
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If they were serious they'd say to hell with the 20,mill and the legislation and just organize the volunteers. Laws are already on the books. The money can come later.
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Don't make us come down there again...
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Yankees never made it to Oklahoma in the War of Northern Aggression.
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Don't make us come down there again...



Yankees never made it to Oklahoma in the War of Northern Aggression.
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That's because y'all surrendered!
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Re: Oklahoma lawmakers want to create volunteer state Militia to help defend the state
Randy Graf of AZ has indicated that they have a bill set to go through that will allocate 20 Million for the set up of an Arizona Minutemen militia - looks like they will send them to the border. Nice...



This is what happens when you get no help from the feds, you rely on your own to get the job done.


If they were serious they'd say to hell with the 20,mill and the legislation and just organize the volunteers. Laws are already on the books. The money can come later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 938298



Arizona has been begging for help but none amounting to anything has come. With volunteers to protect their own land and border they could give it a try. I'm kinda on the side that the 20 mil won't arrive either.
A lot of states are in need but only a select few have recieved. They just can't sit on their thumbs while backed into a corner.

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