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CONSEQUENCES OF A CHANGE IN THE GALACTIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE SUN

 
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CONSEQUENCES OF A CHANGE IN THE GALACTIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE SUN
G. P. ZANK
Bartol Research Institute, University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716
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P. C. FRISCH1
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, University of Chicago, IL 60637
Received 1998 November 12; accepted 1999 January 27

ABSTRACT

The interaction of the heliosphere with interstellar clouds has attracted interest since the late 1920s, with a view to explaining apparent both quasi-periodic climate "catastrophes" as well as periodic mass extinctions. Until recently, however, models describing the solar windÈlocal interstellar medium (LISM)interaction self-consistently had not been developed. Here we describe the results of a two-dimensional simulation of the interaction between the heliosphere and an interstellar cloud with the same properties as currently, except that the H0 density is increased from the present value of n(H0)D0.2 cm~3 to 10 cm~3. The mutual interaction of interstellar neutral hydrogen and plasma is included. The heliospheric cavity is reduced considerably in size (approximately 10È14 AU to the termination shock in the
upstream direction) and is highly dynamical. The interplanetary environment at the orbit of the Earth changes markedly, with the density of interstellar H0 increasing to D2 cm~3. The termination shock itself experiences periods where it disappears, reforms, and disappears again.
Considerable mixing of the shocked solar wind and LISM occurs because of Rayleigh-TaylorÈlike instabilities at the nose, driven by ion-neutral friction. Implications of two anomalously high concentrations of 10Be found in Antarctic ice cores, corresponding to 33,000 and 60,000 yr ago, and the absence of prior similar events are discussed in terms of density enhancements in the surrounding interstellar cloud. The calculation presented here supports past speculation that the Galactic environment of the Sun moderates the interplanetary
environment at the orbit of the Earth and possibly also the terrestrial climate.


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The Galactic environment of the Sun is regulated by the properties of the interstellar cloud surrounding the solar system.

Over the past century, many conjectures have appeared in the scientiÐc literature linking encounters with dense interstellar clouds to possible climate changes on Earth.

For these suggestions to have substance, however, it must first be shown that the interplanetary environment of the Earth varies with changing properties of the surrounding interstellar cloud. It has been shown that in the past the Galactic environment of the Sun has changed as a function of time and that the cloud complex sweeping past the Sun now has an order of magnitude more like that of nearby interstellar gas in the upwind direction than that of the downwind direction (Frisch & York 1986; FR). Therefore the sensitivity of the heliosphere to variations in the boundary conditions imposed by the local interstellar medium (LISM)justify closer examination. It is the purpose of this paper to show that even a moderate alteration in the density of the cloud surrounding the solar system can yield substantial variations to the interplanetary environment in the inner heliosphere.


G. P. ZANK
Bartol Research Institute, University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716
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Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, University of Chicago, IL 60637
Received 1998 November 12; accepted 1999 January 27
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Do we have a translator here for all this?
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The implications of high interstellar neutral densities at 1 AU for the terrestrial environment are interesting.

Is there evidence that the Earth has passed through a dense interstellar cloud in the prehistoric or historic past, or that it might do so in the near future?

...A third kind of evidence is the cosmic-ray record implied
by the spikes in the 10Be record found in Antarctic ice core
samples at ages corresponding to 33,000 and 60,000 yr ago(the D1 and D2 events, respectively).

Raisbeck et al. (1987) and Sonett, MorÐll, & Jokipii (1987) suggest that an increase in the cosmic-ray Ñux on the EarthÏs atmosphere could lead to an enhancement in the precipitated beryllium.

There are two possible ways that the cosmic-ray Ñux at 1
AU can be increased by the interaction of the solar wind
with a dense interstellar cloud. The Ðrst is that the increased pickup ion population increases the anomalous cosmic-ray population. The second is that the reduction in the size of the heliospheric cavity implies that Galactic cosmic rays are no longer modulated signiÐcantly by an extended solar wind and so, at 1 AU, the Earth samples the full spectrum.


G. P. ZANK
Bartol Research Institute, University of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716
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P. C. FRISCH1
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, University of Chicago, IL 60637
Received 1998 November 12; accepted 1999 January 27
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Do we have a translator here for all this?
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It boils down to increased cosmic rays affecting the electrical components of Earth, as well as altering the climate.

Here is the last part of the study:


In addition, enhanced cosmic-ray fluxes at 1 AU may alter the global electric circuit, since the cosmic-ray flux is the dominant source of conductivity in the lower atmosphere (Roble 1985) ; the global electrical circuit has been postulated to play a role in the terrestrial climate (Tinsley 1994, 1997).

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this means we are moving into an interstellar cloud which will effect the climate here on earth.....this is a cycle.
This also means that all the "global warming" hubub is a natural thing...NOT manmade. All the other planets in our solar system have been acting the same. They all have been experiencing global climate and terrestrial changes.
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Sickcent you are a genius I thnak you deeply for all thisinfo. I have learned a great deal from your posts.
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there has been an obvious attempt to make us think one way - OP stay safe - these bastards don't like thinkers - and your line of thought is no doubt on track
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?
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I apologize to some of you about the complexity of some of these posts.

It is important to understand that these posts are all related. I am putting information out like this in order to show that legitimate SCIENTIFIC STUDIES and MODELS show that this event is not only likely, but is being studied by many, many people in an attempt to decipher its secrets.

Nearly every study I come across - in relation to this celestial system that is here and interacting with our solar system - the scientists state that these current strings of discoveries are utterly and completely rewriting science on how our solar system evolves and moves through interstellar space. It is that far beyond current scientific understanding.

This is a monumental event.
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?
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The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...
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You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...


You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?
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Depends on what timescale your looking at, we can rebuild, but it will take enough time that we forget we ever needed it.
Solar Storms, Your basic guide: Thread: Solar Storms, Your Basic Guide.

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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.
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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.
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When I hear the word "evolve," it seems like there is a certain amount of time involved. How long would this take? On the one hand, it seems kind of cool but it also makes the hair stand up on my neck.
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...


You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?


Depends on what timescale your looking at, we can rebuild, but it will take enough time that we forget we ever needed it.
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It depends on a couple of things. First, how bad the events will be. Whether they have the energy to destroy transformers and the like.

Secondly, the event looks like it has a possibility to be a sustained event, which means that you can kiss electricity goodbye for at least the remainder of your lifetime.

Third, if it knocks down the grid completely, it will be years, more likely decades or more, to re-establish any type of electricity system now in place. If this were to happen, life for humans will be completely changed forever. Think of just one aspect of it; ANYTHING that uses computers (money system, pharmacies, medical equipment, satellites, etc.) will not exist anymore...
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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.
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You should read his link to his blogspot up top on this thread...he`s got it covered..
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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.



You should read his link to his blogspot up top on this thread...he`s got it covered..
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It scares me to death, really. Not so much for me, but for my kids. What the hell are they looking at in their future? Or do they even have one?
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It scares me to death, really. Not so much for me, but for my kids. What the hell are they looking at in their future? Or do they even have one?
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Looks like a great time and place to start over only this time we can change things..Get back to our roots and basic instincts..of course alot of chaos will be happening for several years..a person has got to be prepared to survive that..water purification bottles, guns, ammo, survival supplies...get out of the big cities and find small town america..townships will join forces and create borders..or like me and some buds--we`ll disappear into the woods
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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.
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Yes. I believe you are right, but there is only a minor amount of scientific research on this.

Electrical impulses will not cease. Schumann Resonance. As Schumann Resonance decreases in value, frequency is raised. This event will lower Schumann Resonance just by virtue of our man-made electricity going offline. As Schumann Resonance is lowered in the human brain, dream, meditation, and spiritual states begin to manifest in the mind...

Sounds like we are wrapping up all the prophecies and sacred texts into this one event, doesn't it?
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situational awareness on all degrees is key to survival.......
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Yes. I believe you are right, but there is only a minor amount of scientific research on this.

Electrical impulses will not cease. Schumann Resonance. As Schumann Resonance decreases in value, frequency is raised. This event will lower Schumann Resonance just by virtue of our man-made electricity going offline. As Schumann Resonance is lowered in the human brain, dream, meditation, and spiritual states begin to manifest in the mind...

Sounds like we are wrapping up all the prophecies and sacred texts into this one event, doesn't it?

I think we are all being conditioned for the arrival of this event, therefore the evolution has all ready begun. I certainly have felt different lateley. I have prayed alot more in the past couple months than I ever have. I feel devoted to finding out the truth of this matter and how to survive it. I find the same words echoing in my thoughts continually..."the preservation of life is all that matters"...I duno. Regardless of coming events, I feel nothing but love and foorgiveness for all. Even those I swore I would hate forever, I suddenly feel sympathy for. THIS is true evolution.
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...


You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?
 Quoting: MelkatMom


If earthquakes are linked to solar activity, which many think is true now, then yes. My view of it is that EVERYTHING is inter-related, and the sun is the key to that inter-relatedness.

What can we expect in the future? Hopefully it will be the Golden Age. It will be the Apocalypse, because apocalypse is revelation, disclosure. I believe that is coming.

I know I post a lot of scientific articles on this event/s, but you must also think of it in spiritual ways. The soul, the spirit, whatever you want to call it is a reality. It is important to never forget that. And it is important to try and get back in touch with it. Maybe this will be the catalyst for humans to do so.
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...


You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?
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It will be a permanent event.
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Sickscent, what are the top things we should do to prepare for this?


The most basic thing is to be prepared to live without electricity. As far is preparation beyond that, I don't know that there is any...


You mean permanently or temporarily? Is this what is also bringing the earthquakes? What can we expect in the future? And how far or close in the future?



It will be a permanent event.
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My belief also...
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This weekend we watched the movie "THE SECRET OF NIKOLA TESLA"(1979) Orson Welles plays J.P. Morgan. Bought it at Amazon. cool2 It's like "look ma, no wires or generator."
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This weekend we watched the movie "THE SECRET OF NIKOLA TESLA"(1979) Orson Welles plays J.P. Morgan. Bought it at Amazon. cool2 It's like "look ma, no wires or generator."
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Could you imagine what life would be like if Nikola wasn't fucked over so badly? I couldn't imagine it either!
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if anyone is paying attention, you will notice that cosmic rays are ALREADY changing animal's DNA (crows here in the UK turning white)

[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]

cosmic rays are also bleaching traffic and road signs white here in the UK

worse and worse it's going to get

i believe these rays are what is playing havoc with the tectonic plates too.

i think we are in a shitload of trouble.

i see people going about their daily lives, and i am actually feeling sorry for them.

when reality hits, there will be mass suicides imho.

still if we make it, we get a cut of 420 billion! scheming

yeahsure
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The only problem I see with this is that our own human brains work extensively with electronic impulses. Perhaps this cloud could interfere with those as well. If this is the case, we will HAVE to evolve. I believe this is a "forced" evolutionary leap. We have seen the world go through this before...at one time fish developed lungs and crawled onto land, at another they became mammals etc etc. This is the next step in our own evolution. If the electric impulses in our brains cease, many could die, but others, who have learned to "think differently" or learned to operate with different means, will progress to the next level. Think about how little of or brains we use, perhaps the rest will activate to ensure survival of the species. I think we will evolve, or at least some of us will.



When I hear the word "evolve," it seems like there is a certain amount of time involved. How long would this take? On the one hand, it seems kind of cool but it also makes the hair stand up on my neck.
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most likely it will be different for everyone as far as time and effect. we are all connected to this cycle at the cellular level.
"be here now"....seems like timely advice for what may come.

i also think it's cool and awe inspiring......like the notion of jumping into an abyss perhaps.
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if anyone is paying attention, you will notice that cosmic rays are ALREADY changing animal's DNA (crows here in the UK turning white)

[link to 4.bp.blogspot.com]

cosmic rays are also bleaching traffic and road signs white here in the UK

worse and worse it's going to get

i believe these rays are what is playing havoc with the tectonic plates too.

i think we are in a shitload of trouble.

i see people going about their daily lives, and i am actually feeling sorry for them.

when reality hits, there will be mass suicides imho.

still if we make it, we get a cut of 420 billion! scheming

yeahsure
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still if we make it, we get a cut of 420 billion! scheming


lol Toyota's problems and planes falling out of the sky... satellite interference, climate record breakers...
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This weekend we watched the movie "THE SECRET OF NIKOLA TESLA"(1979) Orson Welles plays J.P. Morgan. Bought it at Amazon. cool2 It's like "look ma, no wires or generator."


Could you imagine what life would be like if Nikola wasn't fucked over so badly? I couldn't imagine it either!
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At this time in history we all could have been Alfred E. Newman "what me worry?" if "they" hadn't destroyed him.

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