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Legislate in haste, repent at leisure. Looks like Congress is having one of those "Holy S---!" moments; it appears they have royally mucked up their own health insurance - for all 535 members of Congress and untold congressional employees. In a hurry, they forgot to get it right and wrote it all wrong; now it's the law...

Now Congress is in the same boat they built for the rest of America, without a clue what the new health care reform will mean to them. The beauty of their delimma is pure poetic justice to some -they have written law requiring that they move into a system that doesn't yet exist.

How could that be? Simple, a scaled-down provision of Republic Senator Grassley's “Health Reform Accountability Act” - this one requiring all congress members and their employees, with the exception of Senate committee and leadership staffs, to get their health insurance through the same health insurance exchanges where the general public would get theirs was left in the bill, unopposed, and was signed into law by President Obama.

It appears that the poorly written law is so mangled that “It is unclear whether members of Congress and Congressional staff who are currently participating in F.E.H.B.P. may be able to retain this coverage,” the research service said in an 8,100-word memorandum. "

Some are concerned, and rightly so, that as written, the bill can be interpreted to mean that the second the bill went into law - their own insurance that they know and love - was wiped out. It's a long stretch to 2014, when health care exchanges go into effect and the law (as written) voids their insurance without providing a alternative. Whatever are they to do in the meantime?

Of course that was never their intent, their intent may have been to scrap the amendment altogether - or to revisit and firm up exactly how, when, and by whom all of this was to be handled- but, Oops! they forgot. Unfortunately, they were in rush to pass the bill and never looked back.

Now looking forward is full of panic and a scrambling effort to "fix" what may end up being decided in court. The courts are inclined to judge law as it is written, not by what the author intended to write. How do you even explain this to a judge? Dare they try to plead it is unfair to execute a law conceived in haste, poorly composed, legally illiterate, and signed into law - unread? We all know a few states who would like to try precisely that.
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What a mess their insurance is in now; and these are the same buffoons who wrote ours - trust us, they said. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Obama - what a triumph of leadership!
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the poorly written BLOATED law

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I bet this was intentional. They'll just give themselves better care and tack on a raise or two. Jerks.
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Goes to show you that this country is run by idiots.
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LOLOLOL
HAAAAHAHAHA

irony can taste so sweet.
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They will weasel out of it somehow and make a new law saying it does not apply to them. For they are privileged, like something that sits in your throne (crapper).
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LMAO

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It is the type of thing that could have been done intentionally. The motives would include sending a message to the U.S. Congress that real control is out of their hands in the hands of the Soviet leadership. Another motive is, as always, the small and large things the Soviet do as a matter of routine which throw monkey wrenches into the U.S. system which they are intent on destroying. One more obvious motive would be the chipping away at the confidence of the U.S. public in this system of government, and congressional efforts to repeal this part of the law is sure to outrage a public that's already near revolt in some states. This is the type of thing which the Soviets use to steer the country in the direction they intend, and they intend for us civil war.
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Grassley was the one that presented the freaking amendment. What a piece of BS on the Republicans part. They all lie but the R-tards rewrite their own freaking history. Guess the R-tards didn't read the bill or the amendment they wrote:

"Requirement was included by Republican members of Congress. As a March 23 Politico report stated, 'Last September, the Senate Finance Committee adopted a [Sen. Chuck] Grassley [R-IA] amendment into its version of the bill, mandating that members of Congress and their staff get their health insurance through the exchanges. It was agreed to by unanimous consent.... [Sen. Tom] Coburn [R-OK] had earlier filed a similar amendment in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which passed with some Democratic support.' Politico noted that the Congressional Research Service said the version of the requirement that ended up in the final bill may not include committee staff and 'those staff employed by leadership offices,' which has drawn criticism from Grassley and other senators."

And Grassley even wanted congressional staff to be included then. Do people forget so freaking quickly! The Republicans were running around saying while the POS bill was being created, "If it is good enough for the people then it is good enough for Congress." There bluff was called and, yes, it is now in the bill. R-tard liars.
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lmao How SWEET this is!

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Grassley was the one that presented the freaking amendment. What a piece of BS on the Republicans part. They all lie but the R-tards rewrite their own freaking history. Guess the R-tards didn't read the bill or the amendment they wrote:

"Requirement was included by Republican members of Congress. As a March 23 Politico report stated, 'Last September, the Senate Finance Committee adopted a [Sen. Chuck] Grassley [R-IA] amendment into its version of the bill, mandating that members of Congress and their staff get their health insurance through the exchanges. It was agreed to by unanimous consent.... [Sen. Tom] Coburn [R-OK] had earlier filed a similar amendment in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which passed with some Democratic support.' Politico noted that the Congressional Research Service said the version of the requirement that ended up in the final bill may not include committee staff and 'those staff employed by leadership offices,' which has drawn criticism from Grassley and other senators."

And Grassley even wanted congressional staff to be included then. Do people forget so freaking quickly! The Republicans were running around saying while the POS bill was being created, "If it is good enough for the people then it is good enough for Congress." There bluff was called and, yes, it is now in the bill. R-tard liars.
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gosh you're thick
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Sometimes there is a tad of justice left in the world.
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Traitors ran through a bogus, unconstitutional bill based lies and deciept, they can make amendments the same way.

Don't be blinded by distractions.
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God laughs last.
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Always.
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Grassley was the one that presented the freaking amendment. What a piece of BS on the Republicans part. They all lie but the R-tards rewrite their own freaking history. Guess the R-tards didn't read the bill or the amendment they wrote:

"Requirement was included by Republican members of Congress. As a March 23 Politico report stated, 'Last September, the Senate Finance Committee adopted a [Sen. Chuck] Grassley [R-IA] amendment into its version of the bill, mandating that members of Congress and their staff get their health insurance through the exchanges. It was agreed to by unanimous consent.... [Sen. Tom] Coburn [R-OK] had earlier filed a similar amendment in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which passed with some Democratic support.' Politico noted that the Congressional Research Service said the version of the requirement that ended up in the final bill may not include committee staff and 'those staff employed by leadership offices,' which has drawn criticism from Grassley and other senators."

And Grassley even wanted congressional staff to be included then. Do people forget so freaking quickly! The Republicans were running around saying while the POS bill was being created, "If it is good enough for the people then it is good enough for Congress." There bluff was called and, yes, it is now in the bill. R-tard liars.

gosh you're thick
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LOL - true that.
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Grassley was the one that presented the freaking amendment. What a piece of BS on the Republicans part. They all lie but the R-tards rewrite their own freaking history. Guess the R-tards didn't read the bill or the amendment they wrote:

"Requirement was included by Republican members of Congress. As a March 23 Politico report stated, 'Last September, the Senate Finance Committee adopted a [Sen. Chuck] Grassley [R-IA] amendment into its version of the bill, mandating that members of Congress and their staff get their health insurance through the exchanges. It was agreed to by unanimous consent.... [Sen. Tom] Coburn [R-OK] had earlier filed a similar amendment in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which passed with some Democratic support.' Politico noted that the Congressional Research Service said the version of the requirement that ended up in the final bill may not include committee staff and 'those staff employed by leadership offices,' which has drawn criticism from Grassley and other senators."

And Grassley even wanted congressional staff to be included then. Do people forget so freaking quickly! The Republicans were running around saying while the POS bill was being created, "If it is good enough for the people then it is good enough for Congress." There bluff was called and, yes, it is now in the bill. R-tard liars.

gosh you're thick
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"Thick" is so sometimes, but Faux News and Hannity are the ones running around saying Dems didn't read the bill. The OP's stance of "Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Obama - what a triumph of leadership!" leaves out the R-tards. That is the hypocrisy. "Karma" is an equal opportunity employer.
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Why is Health Care so Expensive? What Happened? Who Did It?

It Is Important To Understand What Went Wrong.

The true story behind the health care crisis you won't hear from Republicans or Democrats


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

The politicians, at the time, granted the AMA a monopoly which allowed them to drive up the prices.

The AMA even apologized in 2008 for using their government-granted monopoly to deny 'African-Americans' jobs as doctors.

"AMA apologizes for racially biased policies

(CNN) -- The American Medical Association, the nation's largest organization of physicians, apologized Thursday for its history of discriminatory policies toward African-American physicians, including those that effectively restricted membership to whites.
Dr. Nelson L. Adams said the AMA's practices had a "devastating" effect on African-Americans' health.

"We are apologizing for policies and practices that we had that ... are offensive to AMA leaders today," the organization's immediate past president, Dr. Ronald M. Davis, told CNN. "Our major goal in this matter is to confront the past to build a better future."

For a long portion of the organization's history, the AMA required that its members belong to a state or local medical society, groups that in some states did not allow African-Americans as members, Davis said.

"AMA declined to take actions against those societies," he said, and "few African-Americans ... were able to become members of AMA for that reason.""

[link to www.cnn.com]

"The AMA was given the monopoly on licensing doctors.
This is the key to so many of our problems
.
We do not need general practitioners for basic medical services. Through force of government intervention, certification and licensing (under the guise of efficiency, standardization and increased professional standards) has removed the entire bottom level of the healthcare system, forcing people to pay higher costs for services that could be provided cheaper, and taking supply away from people with more serious illness.

The AMA also lobbies to limit the number of doctor's who can legally practice medicine"

Citation: USA Today
[link to www.usatoday.com]

Understanding the Government Granted Health Care Monopoly


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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LOLOLOL
HAAAAHAHAHA

irony can taste so sweet.
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nailed it !!!!!
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Now dat be some funny chit for sure!

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Why is Health Care so Expensive? What Happened? Who Did It?

It Is Important To Understand What Went Wrong.

The true story behind the health care crisis you won't hear from Republicans or Democrats


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

The politicians, at the time, granted the AMA a monopoly which allowed them to drive up the prices.

The AMA even apologized in 2008 for using their government-granted monopoly to deny 'African-Americans' jobs as doctors.

"AMA apologizes for racially biased policies

(CNN) -- The American Medical Association, the nation's largest organization of physicians, apologized Thursday for its history of discriminatory policies toward African-American physicians, including those that effectively restricted membership to whites.
Dr. Nelson L. Adams said the AMA's practices had a "devastating" effect on African-Americans' health.

"We are apologizing for policies and practices that we had that ... are offensive to AMA leaders today," the organization's immediate past president, Dr. Ronald M. Davis, told CNN. "Our major goal in this matter is to confront the past to build a better future."

For a long portion of the organization's history, the AMA required that its members belong to a state or local medical society, groups that in some states did not allow African-Americans as members, Davis said.

"AMA declined to take actions against those societies," he said, and "few African-Americans ... were able to become members of AMA for that reason.""

[link to www.cnn.com]

"The AMA was given the monopoly on licensing doctors.
This is the key to so many of our problems
.
We do not need general practitioners for basic medical services. Through force of government intervention, certification and licensing (under the guise of efficiency, standardization and increased professional standards) has removed the entire bottom level of the healthcare system, forcing people to pay higher costs for services that could be provided cheaper, and taking supply away from people with more serious illness.

The AMA also lobbies to limit the number of doctor's who can legally practice medicine"

Citation: USA Today
[link to www.usatoday.com]

Understanding the Government Granted Health Care Monopoly


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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Do you know how many physicians belong to the AMA and why doctors left them a long time ago
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They'll go back and FIX it. Believe me !
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Karma is a bitch...
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Goes to show you that this country is run by idiots.
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"The AMA was given the monopoly on licensing doctors.
This is the key to so many of our problems
.
We do not need general practitioners for basic medical services. Through force of government intervention, certification and licensing (under the guise of efficiency, standardization and increased professional standards) has removed the entire bottom level of the healthcare system, forcing people to pay higher costs for services that could be provided cheaper, and taking supply away from people with more serious illness.

The AMA also lobbies to limit the number of doctor's who can legally practice medicine"

Citation: USA Today
[link to www.usatoday.com]

Understanding the Government Granted Health Care Monopoly


[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

Do you know how many physicians belong to the AMA and why doctors left them a long time ago
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 940600


Wikipedia -

* The American Medical Association (AMA), founded in 1847 and incorporated 1897,[1] is the largest association of physicians and medical students in the United States.

* The Association also publishes the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), which has the largest circulation of any weekly medical journal in the world.[3]

* Despite its self-proclaimed public service nature, the American Medical Association's political positions through its history have been highly controversial. In the 1930s, the AMA attempted to prohibit its members from working for the then-primitive health maintenance organizations that sprung up during the Great Depression, an action that was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act and affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

* The AMA and other industry groups predicted an over-supply of doctors, and worked to limit the number of new doctors. But recently, the AMA has changed its position, predicting a doctor shortage instead. [5]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"How Relevant is the American Medical Association?
First, like so many influential organizations, the number of doctors who comprise the AMA matters less than their influence in the beltway—they still are a potent Congressional lobby with plenty of cash to spend."
[link to www.thehealthcareblog.com]

But the AMA is just one example of the many ways in which the politicians already manage the U.S. healthcare system.
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HA HA
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It's funny but sad....they voted on something that effects every person in this country and had NO IDEA what it entails. What else is in this bill that we're all going to find out about





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