More Questions about aliens.......

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1513
7/11/2005
5:53 pm EDT

Those "orbs" wouldn´t happen to be about the size of a basketball would they?

REPLY: I do not recall being informed about the size of the orbs; only educated on the fact of their existence and their purpose.

Thanks for asking.........

Hi Steven, I´ve been reading about this guy named Robert G. Barbaria that has written 3 books that he says were given him by God and the Holy Spirit. This guy sounds legit, but after the "orb" book ordering, I thought of running this one past you first. Hope you don´t mind. This is his website:

[link to www.accdatbooks.com]

Don´t bother about this unless you have time or might be interested yourself. Thank you.

Jodio
User ID: 742
7/12/2005
9:57 am EDT

TFT ask your source if the movie/play The Rocky Horror Picture Show has any relavence to today and Earth. If whoever/whatever it is says no, you will know they are full of BS.

REPLY: The Holy Spirit has no need to play movie trivia.

YOU: BTW, may as well ask whoever/whatever who I am; I am sure whoever/whatever will not know....

REPLY: Again the Holy Spirit has no need to play games. Unless you are of an immediate threat to me, who you are does not matter to God. You were known before you exited your father´s loins.

Thanks for commenting.........

ac
User ID: 16674
7/14/2005
2:18 am EDT

Hi Steven, I´ve been reading about this guy named Robert G. Barbaria that has written 3 books that he says were given him by God and the Holy Spirit. This guy sounds legit, but after the "orb" book ordering, I thought of running this one past you first. Hope you don´t mind.

REPLY: I took a moment to look at the site you mentioned. Knowing the scriptures will help in viewing this site. Take note of the following statement:

"The three books I have written for THE LORD are KEY to your not being “LEFT BEHIND”;"

The only book that is KEY to not being "LEFT BEHIND" is the BIBLE. There are also other errors that I will not devote much time to other than to remind you that in the Bible John saw a number of people "NO MAN COULD NUMBER" Rev 7:9 who entered the Kingdom. I would suggest you keep your money in your pocket.

Thanks for asking..........

Thanks, Steven! I was so pleased to see your quick reply.

Sometimes when I read the Bible I become overwhelmed. Maybe it´s from the early church learning that wasn´t correct, maybe from all the conflicting things on the internet..don´t know..probably both and more. Sometimes it comes through so clearly.

Thank you for your time....

Will answer more questions later this evening. Have a blessed day and..

Thanks for reading........

Star Kitty said: "So keep praying all you Christian Soldiers.
"Your faith is true, your cause is just, when truth is revealed, your religion will be as dust."

Blessings, and thank you for listening."

...couldn´t have said it any better. Thanks.

dml
User ID: 658
7/11/2005
2:29 pm EDT

Q:---"I would like to know, how can we convince friends and family that the Aliens, once they reveal themselves to the world, are in fact fallen angels?"

A:---You say aliens are "in fact" fallen angels. First, I would have my references/sources of this information ready. In other words, be ready to prove your case. I wager that you can´t because there is no such evidence. Certainly there is evidence from some abductees that some aliens are malevolent. However, these incidents can no more "prove" a demonic origin of aliens any more than the fact that evil, malevolent humans prove that humanity comes from satan.

ac
User ID: 16674
7/14/2005
2:18 am EDT

Q:--"Hi Steven, I´ve been reading about this guy named Robert G. Barbaria that has written 3 books that he says were given him by God and the Holy Spirit. This guy sounds legit, but after the "orb" book ordering, I thought of running this one past you first. Hope you don´t mind."

A:--There is no "rapture", now or in the future. Even the Bible does not say there is a rapture. The rapture dogma was created in the early 19th century. It has been used to supplement the fear-mongering of the churches and to further hinder human, spiritual growth.

Thanks for reading...

ac
User ID: 16674

Q:--"Sometimes when I read the Bible I become overwhelmed. Maybe it´s from the early church learning that wasn´t correct, maybe from all the conflicting things on the internet..don´t know..probably both and more. Sometimes it comes through so clearly."

A:--I too was confused by the Bible, having come from a Pentacostal/holiness background. I studied it, inside/out, completed my library with various reference works such as Strongs, Vines, etc. However, I committed the supreme sacrilege--I started thinking outside of that box I had been told I could not leave and studied other sources. After a three-year long struggle against the truth that was staring me in the face, I finally had to conclude that "we´ve been screwed, spiritually, by all the organized religions." Once I saw the truth about how I and the rest of Christianity has been deceived, I realized that the whole thing was meant to keep us stunted spiritually.

I´d recommend you settle down to commit to a lengthy study of the whole thing---question everything and look for the answers from there. Check every source, research every author and don´t fall for the bashing that so many Christian "apologists" engage in. Their job is to slam anyone who questions the source of their bread and butter. Your job should be to think for yourself, use the mind God gave you,and come to a logical conclusion.

This life is one where we are supposed to learn. Christianity, and most other religions, hinder that learning experience by telling us that all we need is one book, be it the Bible, Koran, etc. Don´t let it happen to you.

Hey,

King of Cups
User ID: 1672
7/14/2005
1:44 pm EDT

You ended your info with "thanks for reading", but you forgot to do it on the next response. If you are trying to be a TFT wanna-be, you need to be more sharp.

Lets get with the program here. Or maybe you should start your own thread and stop being a HIJACKER.

BUMP

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 90
7/14/2005


"You ended your info with "thanks for reading", but you forgot to do it on the next response. If you are trying to be a TFT wanna-be, you need to be more sharp.

1rof1 Lets get with the program here. Or maybe you should start your own thread and stop being a HIJACKER. 1rof1"

Oh, no, I intend to stick around as long as I have time to refute the BS TFT puts out here. And I´m no TFT "wanna be"--TFT lies more than anyone on GLP I´ve seen, including debunkers and disinfo freaks. His "sharp" responses work only on dull-wits, not intellectually honest or searching people.

So, I certainly don´t "wanna be" someone like that--I´m here to counter the lies and ignorance. So, whether I choose to include the tiresome "thanks for reading/asking/being a true follower" line is just that--my choice. I´m not leaving unless I just don´t have the time, and if that makes me a "HIJACKER"---


GREAT!!!!!!!!

TFT

One thing I do not totally understand in the Bible was at the end when Jesus said to his mother and the Apostle John just before he died, "Son behold your mother, mother behold your son".

What was the significance of this? I could understand that maybe he was giving Mary to mankind as our mother, but I am not sure why or how John was involved and what it meant.

MASS
User ID: 215
7/14/2005
7:30 pm EDT

TFT

One thing I do not totally understand in the Bible was at the end when Jesus said to his mother and the Apostle John just before he died, "Son behold your mother, mother behold your son".

What was the significance of this? I could understand that maybe he was giving Mary to mankind as our mother, but I am not sure why or how John was involved and what it meant.

REPLY: I understand your confusion along with many others. The answer to this question is insignificant yet it sheds light on one of the errors made by those who "interpret" what they read in the bible. You see the Bible never said it was JOHN who Jesus was speaking to. That has been assumed by MOST bible scholars. However, it would make more sense to you if you understood that the disciple being spoken to here is not JOHN but actually LUKE. Jesus did a most LOGICAL thing. He left His mother under the care of a PHYSICIAN!

As I said, it is not important, but since you asked and I knew (because of my training) I thought I would share.

Thanks for asking..........

MASS
User ID: 215
7/14/2005
7:30 pm EDT

TFT

Q:--"One thing I do not totally understand in the Bible was at the end when Jesus said to his mother and the Apostle John just before he died, "Son behold your mother, mother behold your son".

What was the significance of this? I could understand that maybe he was giving Mary to mankind as our mother, but I am not sure why or how John was involved and what it meant."

A:--It doesn´t matter. It´s simply allegory and fables. More than likely, no one said anything. Just don´t fret over this kind of pointless stuff. Try learning something that will promote your spiritual growth, not hinder it with questions about something that never happened.

Thanks for reading....

MASS
User ID: 215
7/14/2005
7:30 pm EDT

TFT

Q:--"One thing I do not totally understand in the Bible was at the end when Jesus said to his mother and the Apostle John just before he died, "Son behold your mother, mother behold your son".

What was the significance of this? I could understand that maybe he was giving Mary to mankind as our mother, but I am not sure why or how John was involved and what it meant."

A:--It doesn´t matter. It´s simply allegory and fables. More than likely, no one said anything. Just don´t fret over this kind of pointless stuff. Try learning something that will promote your spiritual growth, not hinder it with questions about something that never happened.

Thanks for reading....

King of Cups, you sound like you´ve been hurt psychologically by someone in the church maybe, so you´re striking out at tft. If you don´t mind me asking, what happened to make you so bitter?

I´ve read tons of stuff outside the Bible, but have realized that you can use the Bible for the last word on the truth of matters. It took me getting pass my early church experiences though before I could see the truth in it.

tft has been helping me with questions for a couple of years and I´ve come to trust him for advice here and there. A lot of people here have, too.

I can try to understand your problems with Christianity and the church. Many people have had problems with wrong answers, experiences, etc. but this doesn´t have to drive you away from the Bible. People are fallible.

ac
User ID: 16674
7/15/2005

Q:--"King of Cups, you sound like you´ve been hurt psychologically by someone in the church maybe, so you´re striking out at tft. If you don´t mind me asking, what happened to make you so bitter?

tft has been helping me with questions for a couple of years and I´ve come to trust him for advice here and there. A lot of people here have, too.

A:-- What you see as pschological "damage" or bitterness is actually a simple matter of someone challenging dogma, which TFT has put out so much of here as well as in the past. TFT is a fraud and deceiver. If I appear passionate about it, it´s because I´ve seen his type too often, and "his type" already have too much control on this country and the world. His posts reach a lot of people, so I want to counteract his false statements.

I´ll give you an example of TFT´s deceptive abilities. TFT, the chosen of God, posted what he thought were anonymous replies on his own thread (not this one) before he realized each user was assigned a unique numerical identifer. He was caught and laid low for a while.

It´s a shame you have so much faith in someone like this, but to each his own I suppose. My only question is why you are so content with following a self-proclaimed "messenger of God" rather than seeking the answers for yourself.

My purpose here is to counter lies and half-truths with what I believe to be the truth. If that offends you or TFT or any of his lemmings, so be it.

King of cups,

You must be pretty desperate with this comment;

"I´ll give you an example of TFT´s deceptive abilities. TFT, the chosen of God, posted what he thought were anonymous replies on his own thread (not this one) before he realized each user was assigned a unique numerical identifer. He was caught and laid low for a while."

I take issue with you first of all because there is no rule that says you cannot REPLY to someone on your thread if you wish to remain annonymous. Secondly, I read the remarks made about the thread you mentioned and there was found that in the ENTIRE thread that there was only ONE annonymous REPLY not (replies). By knowing this I can see you CLEARLY have some sort of personal vendetta. The person who questioned you early is on TARGET!

One final note. If what is being presented with this thread is SO dangerous, surely you can point out where the damage is or CAN be done. ------------------- I thought you couldn´t do this but I at least put the dashes there to give you some time to think. TIMES UP! Meanwhile, I am staying away from ALIENS and keep myself alert to the deceptions of Satan (who you don´t believe exists).

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8680

Q:--"I take issue with you first of all because there is no rule that says you cannot REPLY to someone on your thread if you wish to remain annonymous. Secondly, I read the remarks made about the thread you mentioned and there was found that in the ENTIRE thread that there was only ONE annonymous REPLY not (replies). By knowing this I can see you CLEARLY have some sort of personal vendetta. The person who questioned you early is on TARGET!"

A:--TFT was caught quickly and stopped posting. In short, he was caught in a lie. He didn´t just reply to a post, he pretended to be someone other than himself. And it´s no personal vendetta. TFT has chosen to pose as an expert and someone with inside knowledge of aliens. As such, he sets himself up for criticism. In this case, my criticism is justified.

In the past, TFT has claimed to be chosen yet will not answer simple questions such as: please prove, with references/sources, that aliens are fallen angels. He can´t and refuses to do so, yet makes that claim as though it is fact. He arrogantly claims to be "chosen" of God. He does not claim it is only his belief. At least I do that much. What I believe about aliens is just that--a belief based on decades of research and evaluation of source materials. The bottom line with me re TFT is: Beware of self-proclaimed messengers of God.

Q:--"One final note. If what is being presented with this thread is SO dangerous, surely you can point out where the damage is or CAN be done. ------------------- I thought you couldn´t do this but I at least put the dashes there to give you some time to think. TIMES UP! Meanwhile, I am staying away from ALIENS and keep myself alert to the deceptions of Satan (who you don´t believe exists)."

A:--The damage is the same damage done by churches and organized religion over thousands of years--it has put people to sleep and kept the truth about our existence hidden behind fairy tales and half-truths. TFT, from what I remember, holds a position as either preacher or minister of some sort. He´s used this position of trust to perpetuate a lie. The problem is not faith in jesus or any other god. The problem is the proclamation that God has literally sent someone like TFT to diseminate what has been proven to be falsehoods, and to claim that the falsehood is true and the result of the Holy Spirit´s teaching.

In essence, the "chosen one" and "I have the only truth" mindset exists only in the mind of the charlatan and his followers.

I´m here to counter it, and if you don´t like it, so be it. I´ll continue to be here as long as I have the time.

However, it looks like nice weather this weekend, so I may or may not be around for this until next week.

Hmmm....maybe I´ll try to get some video of UFOs that seem to frequent this place...

Try these sites:

www.alberttaylor.com
www.near-death.com
www.wingmakers.com
www.lloydpye.com
www.theyfly.com
www.burlingtonnews.net

TFT--

I´m willing to engage in a civil discussion with you or anyone else on the topics raised here as well as other topics. I´ll post a new thread, if so.

Few rules except to keep it civil, non-personal, no profanity and leave the past out of it. I.e., just issues.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1672
7/11/2005
11:23 am EDT

You state that you get your information through "a most special way" by the Holy Spirit.

Would you please tell us what this way is, i.e. have you read a lot, are you in touch with aliens, divine revelation, ...etc?

REPLY: You are most correct in your consideration of reading as ONE of the means but there must also be confirmation of what is read. Otherwise it is only what you think or feel. My understandings are not from any strange revelations or alien channeling (which is witchcraft). As I have stated, my understandings are from "a most special way" provided by the Holy Spirit. This most special way will not be disclosed even though you seek it.

YOU: Just like any other claim, we´d like to know your source. Also, you say you are "chosen" by God. How do you know you are chosen, i.e. how was this communicated to you?

REPLY: This information was given through "a most special way" provided by the Holy Spirit. Again this way will not be disclosed even though you seek it. Think for a moment, would you expect a member of the CIA to reveal the things involved in their work?

But... Thanks for asking........

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 816
7/12/2005
6:20 pm EDT

TFT

If all is true then how long before it´s all out?

REPLY: The timing of all events are in the hand of God. The bottom line is that there will be a:

1. Pole Shift
2. Alien Announcement
3. Destruction of Babylon USA
4. Rapture

The important thing is to be prepared now so that the events will not matter. I have only been instructed to say SOON!

Thanks for asking.......

King of Cups (unlogged)
User ID: 1672
7/13/2005
1:32 pm EDT

One other thing. If someone, like TFT, says not to pay attention to anything if it doesn´t have a stamp of God on it, remember: God gave you a mind to use. TFT says such things out of fear that you will discover the truth and walk away from foolish allegance to his religious world view. He is afraid you will advance spiritually because the power structure of which he is an integral part would eventually crumble.

THINK FOR YOURSELF AND QUESTION ANYTHING OR ANYONE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULDN´T!!!

REPLY: You forget that a street goes both ways. Look at how this sounds:

If someone, like KING, says not to pay attention to anything if it HAS a stamp of God on it, remember: God gave you a mind to use. KING says such things out of fear that you will discover the truth and walk away from foolish allegance to his NEW AGE world view. He is afraid THAT IF I AM RIGHT, you will advance spiritually TO ETERNAL LIFE because the power structure of which he is an integral part WILL eventually crumble.....AND MISERY LOVES COMPANY.

THINK FOR YOURSELF AND QUESTION ANYTHING OR ANYONE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULDN´T!!!
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This may sound familiar to you because they are your own words reversed. Therefore, before you assume that people are to stupid to think for themselves remember that they can MAKE DECISIONS on their own without you attempting to redicule them for chosing to go the way of God.

They can chose to take either way. They can believe me or you. I just hope they make the decision that will allow them to have ETERNAL LIFE as desired by God who created them.

Thanks for commenting.........