More Questions about aliens.......

TFT said:---"REPLY: You forget that a street goes both ways. Look at how this sounds:

If someone, like KING, says not to pay attention to anything if it HAS a stamp of God on it, remember: God gave you a mind to use. KING says such things out of fear that you will discover the truth and walk away from foolish allegance to his NEW AGE world view. He is afraid THAT IF I AM RIGHT, you will advance spiritually TO ETERNAL LIFE because the power structure of which he is an integral part WILL eventually crumble.....AND MISERY LOVES COMPANY.

THINK FOR YOURSELF AND QUESTION ANYTHING OR ANYONE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULDN´T!!!"

King of Cups reply:--You´re missing a critical element in this: I´ve NEVER said not to pay attention to anything if it has God´s stamp on it. I have no fear of people finding out the truth, in fact, I WANT them to search on their own to discover. If they don´t follow my viewpoint, that´s their decision. But unlike you, TFT, I won´t say they´re condemned to eternal damnation if they don´t believe as I do. Thus, I have NOTHING to fear because I don´t have an agenda as yours that has to be perpetuated like Amway to keep the money rolling in.

Again I say to all, above all, THINK FOR YOURSELF. The only way to reach a fair, logical conclusion on anything is study, meditation and developing your sense of what´s right.

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TFT said--"This may sound familiar to you because they are your own words reversed. Therefore, before you assume that people are to stupid to think for themselves remember that they can MAKE DECISIONS on their own without you attempting to redicule them for chosing to go the way of God."


King of Cups--I´m astounded that you´d make such a ridiculous statement. You lie when you say that I assume people are too stupid to think for themselves. Just the reverse--I implore everyone to think for themselves and in making that plea assume EVERYONE is capable of learning on their own, free of the preacher and charlatan´s influence. THAT IS WHAT YOU FEAR. You´re a preacher and you can´t stand the idea that people might begin to wake up to the falsehoods you spout so frequently. In fact, TFT, it is you who assume people are so stupid that they NEED YOU to guide them to the truth. So, please stop lying and making claims that I said something which I in fact did not say.

And, who are YOU to say that those of us who choose not to follow your dogmatic belief system are damned?

Hi King of Cups, thank you for your reply. I didn´t mean to get a whole "thing" going on tft´s thread, which is what seems to have happened. Before closing though I did want to comment on one thing you said:

*****It´s a shame you have so much faith in someone like this, but to each his own I suppose. My only question is why you are so content with following a self-proclaimed "messenger of God" rather than seeking the answers for yourself.*****

I DO seek answers for myself and actually put complete trust in no other person on this earth as far as this matter goes. I believe that´s the way it should be with everyone...a personal relationship between a person and God. We are all different, therefore each relationship in my opinion would be special and different.

The main reason I started looking to tft for guidance on the alien thing was because of a past experience of my own. His explanations have been very helpful to me and make perfect sense in my mind. Tft has stressed several times NOT to look to him, but to look to God. He is merely passing along a message, a warning and after studying the Bible, what he says seems correct.

So I suppose we just have different opinions. Have a nice weekend.

King of Cups
User ID: 1672
7/13/2005
1:39 pm EDT

LOL!!!!!!

My God the level of stupidity and ignorance is incredible here!!

REPLY: I understand that you believe that those who do not hold to your view and believe what I say here is true are STUPID AN IGNORANT. For you they are too stupid to think for themselves; unless of course they believe you.

YOU: TFT, would you mind answering this question:

Why would aliens, whom you say are demons or fallen angels, need uses of something like an orb to "spy" on people?

REPLY: Why not reverse the question and ask yourself why would they NOT need the use of something like an orb to "spy".

YOU: Presumably, fallen angels are spiritual beings and don´t need such a device to spy on anyone. They can maintain invisibility if they so desire.

REPLY: You are MOST correct in using the word "presumably". This however clearly shows you lack of knowledge on the subject and so you must guess and speculate. Whereas I KNOW that the beings doing the spying and the abducting are the "CLONES" of the fallen angels (also commonly knows as "greys") DO have the need for the orgs to maintain their secrecy. This is why most abductions are done at night under the cover of darkness when people should be able to sleep safely in their homes. The fallen angels leave most of their dirty work to their clones for their own (falen angels) safety. You see you forget that even though they (fallen angels)have been around a very long time, they now possess the ability to do something they never had concerns about in their past.....THEY CAN NOW DIE because of their FALLEN STATE. Even though they yet possess many of their original powers, God has stripped them of much. Therefore they depend on their clones (greys, blonds, reptillians,etc.) strongly. There is MUCH you know not of in regards to aliens/fallen angels.

YOU: One more question: from what hole do you pull this cra*? Do you not realize that you are the greatest source of deception on this site, simply because you stick around so long? I´ll do my best to counter your BS.

REPLY: You are welcome to stick around and perform your so called counter measures for as long as your heart desires. You can´t imagine how much your shadow-like presence is appreciated, and if you can´t figure out the reason why, I won´t tell you.

Thanks for asking.............
Thanks for sticking around...........

That was my reply above. Server had timed out.

Thanks for reading.............

Will ansswer more questions later ttoday. Have a blessed day.

Thanks for reading.........

ac
User ID: 16279
7/16/2005

YOU--I DO seek answers for myself and actually put complete trust in no other person on this earth as far as this matter goes. I believe that´s the way it should be with everyone...a personal relationship between a person and God. We are all different, therefore each relationship in my opinion would be special and different.

The main reason I started looking to tft for guidance on the alien thing was because of a past experience of my own. His explanations have been very helpful to me and make perfect sense in my mind. Tft has stressed several times NOT to look to him, but to look to God. He is merely passing along a message, a warning and after studying the Bible, what he says seems correct.

So I suppose we just have different opinions. Have a nice weekend.

REPLY--Fair enough, I can accept that. Thanks.

TFT

What happens if/when "they" figure out how to make a soul? What is a soul? Are the "aliens" the same as giants?

I just want legitimate questions answered, such as "where´s your proof" and "how do you know this". However, since you insist on being elusive in answering those question, I´ll reply to your comments...

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TFT said--"[king of cups] Why would aliens, whom you say are demons or fallen angels, need uses of something like an orb to "spy" on people?

[tft´s] REPLY: Why not reverse the question and ask yourself why would they NOT need the use of something like an orb to "spy".

KING OF CUPS REPLY--This doesn´t answer the question: why do spiritual entities need an orb to spy on us? Why not do it covertly? To answer your question, "why would they NOT need ...the use of an orb"...well spiritual beings don´t have to use such objects. They can operate within the spirit/astral realm and never be seen. Intelligence gathering is a naturally secretive endeavor. How would using an orb facilitate gathering info on us?
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TFT said--"YOU[king of cups]: Presumably, fallen angels are spiritual beings and don´t need such a device to spy on anyone. They can maintain invisibility if they so desire.

REPLY: You are MOST correct in using the word "presumably". This however clearly shows you lack of knowledge on the subject and so you must guess and speculate. Whereas I KNOW that the beings doing the spying and the abducting are the "CLONES" of the fallen angels (also commonly knows as "greys") DO have the need for the orgs to maintain their secrecy. "

KING OF CUPS reply--This reply, more than others, reveals an incredible degree of spiritual arrogance and elitism. I believe you, like the greys, have been quite secretive about your sources (likely because they´re simply your BELIEF and have no actual sources to cite). You state things about my statements such as "shows you lack of knowledge on the subject " but then say "Whereas I KNOW that the beings doing the spying and the abducting are the "CLONES" of the fallen angels" and "There is MUCH you know not of "...Such arrogance is repulsive.

Then, you state conclusively that the greys are clones of the fallen angels. Well, cloning is a scientific procedure and it is preposterous to make a statement that angels need to use such a method to acheive their ends. Again, where is your proof? No one should believe you unless you can provide evidence. Sound evidence I would listen to. However, you´ve presented NONE.

TFT said--"You are welcome to stick around and perform your so called counter measures for as long as your heart desires. You can´t imagine how much your shadow-like presence is appreciated, and if you can´t figure out the reason why, I won´t tell you."

This is another example of you hiding behind a claim of being "chosen" of God. You should be ashamed to spout that nonsense in public, but to each his own. Lots of people claim to talk to God, see visions, etc. That doesn´t mean a thing. You´re no different.

One big problem I have with all of this is the fact that so much of what you say is veiled in secretive, mysterious statements like in a previous post where you said you received your information in a "most special way" but you refuse to reveal the source, and here, where you say you have a secret reason why you´re glad that I´m here. Please, end the drama and answer legitimate questions. You hate the fact that I´m here and that I bring out legitimate questions and confront your dogma head-on, unless you´re so deluded that you think somehow my presence supports your fables.

You claim to be a messenger from God, yet how is it that you hide behind secrecy? God would reveal the truth and be a source of light, not secrecy.

Above thread by King of Cups

Cor´encha Star Kitty
User ID: 14477
7/13/2005
1:52 pm EDT

So keep praying all you Christian Soldiers.
"Your faith is true, your cause is just, when truth is revealed, your religion will be as dust."

REPLY: Your statement here is more prophetic than you realize and is supported by the bible. SOON Christianity will be wiped out on this planet with just a few sprinkles left.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Sadly, you are not aware that this is only a temporary position and a remnant of 144,000 will be the "DUST" that will keep it alive until the FINAL return of Jesus.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

Thanks for commenting...........

King of Cups (unlogged)
User ID: 1672
7/13/2005
3:42 pm EDT

AC 900--"2Co 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Satan is a fable. I believe there are evil entities from other dimensions/planes of existence, however, the idea that there is a "king" of the demons is ridiculous.

REPLY: To all true believers, this comment speaks for itself!

YOU:
AC 900--"Somebody said:
ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD!!"

YOUR REPLY TO AC ABOVE: And all aliens, orbs, etc. are not demonic!! All self-appointed "chosen by God" are not actually chosen by anyone but themselves!

REPLY: It is interesting how out of one side of your mouth, in your posts you confess that you DO NOT know for sure. Therefore here you mean to say: "IN MY OPINION......etc". You don´t know that all aliens are not demonic; on the other hand I KNOW they are ALL demonic. Of course if anyone "KNOWS" something that you don´t know, they are arrogant. That is a brand new definition for arrogance my friend. I plan to adress your definition in full when I reach the post where you define it later on on this thread.

YOU: I´m convinced that the "elect" are self-elected because they´ve been deluded for so long and have no capacity to see the truth even as it stares them in the face. There´s nothing I can say to persuade them otherwise.

REPLY: Are you implying that if YOU are convinced of something in your imagination then "it becomes truth"? Are you saying here that you KNOW there are no elect or are you saying "in your opinion"? When/how did this become a TRUTH staring someone in the face? Your statements are similar to those used in MIND CONTROL.

YOU: I mean, really, Christians believe in "satan"! All because they were told by some preacher they existed. All because a book of fables says it must be so.

REPLY: I mean, really, YOU expect us to believe there is no Satan ALL because yoo say so, Given the ticket of YOU -vs- THE BIBLE, I´ll take the Bible anyday even if I didn´t know what I know now. Oh, I forgot, to know is arrogance.

YOU: Well, early settlers were convinced that some people were witches despite the lack of evidence and only on the word of the "chosen" ones who really just wanted the accused property. Quote a few scriptures, don´t question the validity of those scriptures, and viola!!! we have truth!

REPLY: Is this not what you are doing here? You have no proof that the information I present is not true. You make a few self convincing quotes, dont question the validity of those SELF CONVINCED quotes and viola!!! we have the truth! based on YOUR opinion.

Thanks for commenting............
A special thanks for sticking around..........

TFT

What happens if/when "they" figure out how to make a soul? What is a soul? Are the "aliens" the same as giants?

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2808
7/16/2005
6:11 pm EDT

TFT

What happens if/when "they" figure out how to make a soul?

REPLY: God will never allow Satan to learn how to; which he already knows. But what else can he do but to continue to try. His time is running out in the Universe and he is desperate.

YOU: What is a soul?

REPLY: A vehicle designed by God to facilitate the obtaining of ETERNAL LIFE!

YOU: Are the "aliens" the same as giants?

REPLY: Not really. They can be giants, but being a giant does not make one an alien.

Thanks for asking............

King of Cups
User ID: 1672
7/14/2005
1:44 pm EDT

In response to the AC below:

ac
User ID: 16674
7/14/2005
2:18 am EDT

Q:--"Hi Steven, I´ve been reading about this guy named Robert G. Barbaria that has written 3 books that he says were given him by God and the Holy Spirit. This guy sounds legit, but after the "orb" book ordering, I thought of running this one past you first. Hope you don´t mind."

YOUR REPLY TO QUESTION ASKED OF ME:
A:--There is no "rapture", now or in the future. Even the Bible does not say there is a rapture. The rapture dogma was created in the early 19th century. It has been used to supplement the fear-mongering of the churches and to further hinder human, spiritual growth.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR REPLY:
Now you are proclaiming to know the future you earlier proclaimed you did not know. Also the bible DOES teach of a rapture and calls it being "CAUGHT UP".

1Th 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I suggest you take a moment and read John 6:15-21. However, it will require spiritual discernment to understand the rapture in these verses.

Thanks for commenting..........
A special Thanks for your shadowing.........

Will answer more questions later today. Off to church for now, have a blessed day.

Thanks for reading..........

Jesus is Lord!

looks like the SHADOW has left the building!!!

TFT

Forgive me if you have addressed this 100 times already...but could you explain from your specific training what you understand about the timing and the reality of the rapture..

Thanks and God Bless you for being here

[Note to readers: Text in all CAPS is for written emphasis and does not indicate the internet equivalent of shouting!]

TFT said–“This information was given through "a most special way" provided by the Holy Spirit. Again this way will not be disclosed even though you seek it. Think for a moment, would you expect a member of the CIA to reveal the things involved in their work?”

Again, you are avoiding answering the question. You expect people to put their faith in what you say without offering verifiable credentials, method of training, school, etc. By doing so, you are virtually asking them to have faith in YOU, without questioning the source. Cult leaders do that and demand such from followers. Remember Jim Jones? “Follow me, I have the answer. God has given it to me in a most special way.”

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TFT said–“ It is interesting how out of one side of your mouth, in your posts you confess that you DO NOT know for sure. Therefore here you mean to say: "IN MY OPINION......etc". You dońt know that all aliens are not demonic; on the other hand I KNOW they are ALL demonic. Of course if anyone "KNOWS" something that you dońt know, they are arrogant. That is a brand new definition for arrogance my friend. I plan to adress your definition in full when I reach the post where you define it later on on this thread.”

Once more, you’ve displayed arrogance as no true person of God would. You say you “KNOW” the things you claim are true, but CANNOT prove those claims. I don’t say that if someone “knows” something they are arrogant, I say that those who make such claims should expect and be required to back up the claim with more than “I’m chosen”, or “I got this information in a most special way”. Until you can provide detailed information like that, you will remain suspect.
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TFT said–“ I mean, really, YOU expect us to believe there is no Satan ALL because yoo say so, Given the ticket of YOU -vs- THE BIBLE, Íll take the Bible anyday even if I didńt know what I know now. Oh, I forgot, to know is arrogance”.

Satan is an invention of Christianity. It is a minority belief in the grand scheme of things. Simply because you live this confusion every day doesn’t mean the rest of us have to believe it.

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TFT said–“ You have no proof that the information I present is not true.”

Well, you’ve provided NO PROOF that your claims ARE TRUE, despite the fact that in this thread and others you’ve been asked for such proof. Your claims are based on nothing other than your faith. If that is your faith, fine, there’s no problem. However, you state continually that it is more than your faith, that it is something you KNOW. I have simply asked: prove it. That, you cannot do BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON FAITH.
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TFT said–“ Now you are proclaiming to know the future you earlier proclaimed you did not know. Also the bible DOES teach of a rapture and calls it being "CAUGHT UP. ..I suggest you take a moment and read John 6:15-21. However, it will require spiritual discernment to understand the rapture in these verses.”

The rapture is a fable, pure and simple, invented in the 19th century although there was one weak, brief reference before the Middle Ages which may have opened up the same idea. [link to www.intellectualconservative.com]

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3144
7/16/2005

Q:--"What happens if/when "they" figure out how to make a soul?

A:--I believe there is only one source of souls, our Creator. I cannot believe that any other entity is capable of making them and claims to the contrary should provide significant proof. As any other claim, proof should be offered with verifiable sources.

Q:--"What is a soul?"
A:--It is what "you" ARE, not what you HAVE.

Q:- Are the "aliens" the same as giants?"
A:--All aliens cannot be considered giants, though some races are very tall.


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Greetings, TFT-

I´ve read all your postings and find them fascinating and encouraging. They have given me inspiration to study and seek the meat of the word. Praise the Lord.

Questions:

Having read a great amount of the Bible, studying with some extra care using Strongs and other translating tools and it has led me to this question?

What is really going on here on Earth.

Yahweh being who He is, which is everything (I am Alpha and Omega; the Word) then there´s something going on here far beyond what the Bible reveals, which provides some hints. Perhaps, it states clearly and I just lack the spiritual developement or discernment to grasp it. But, clearly the struggle here on Earth has greater implications then those commonly known by believers. Could you shed some like on this as the Spirit leads you?

Thanks in advance. And, my the Lord continue his use of you.

W/E

Hope to answer more questions later this evening. Have a blessed day.

Thanks for reading..........

TFT

You´ve avoided my previous post which says:

I´m willing to engage in a civil discussion with you or anyone else on the topics raised here as well as other topics. I´ll post a new thread, if so.

Few rules except to keep it civil, non-personal, no profanity and leave the past out of it. I.e., just issues.

Can you handle this or will you continue to avoid a legitimate discussion about ISSUES, not persons?

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Will be answering more questions this evening. Have a blessed day!

Thanks for reading.........

W/E I´ll answer your question. Earth is the heart of the universe. Now plaese take literally that humans are made in the image of God. What is God? God is the universe. Earth is the heart of God within the universe. What does a heart do? It pumps blood, all the blood. All the blood of the universe comes through Earth. Earth is a microcosm of the universe. Jesus is/was real. An easy way to see the technical aspect of Jesus is picture Jesus as the chosen one. Chosen by God.

Aliens are real; the universe is teeming with life. What the aliens do not know is that they do the will of God (much like humans do). But humans have a greater free will. That is where the veil of ignorance comes into play: there will never be some big UFO incident here on Earth. There will never be some big event such as the one TFT describes. TFT is very wrong, BTW, about all aliens being fallen angels. Let me put it to ya this way; all us humans here are aliens. See it like emmigrants to the USA; some have been here for generations, some just got off the boat.

The Rapture? Well there may be a kinda reverse rapture whereby some negative will be taken out of humans. This is nothing we will "see". We (humanity) will just become more peaceful....


Try not to see Earth as all bad. This universe is founded on a couple principals. One is free will. The other is polarity, of which Earth has both yin and yang. Always will.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 743
7/20/2005

AC--W/E I´ll answer your question. Earth is the heart of the universe. Now plaese take literally that humans are made in the image of God. What is God? God is the universe. Earth is the heart of God within the universe. What does a heart do? It pumps blood, all the blood. All the blood of the universe comes through Earth. Earth is a microcosm of the universe. Jesus is/was real. An easy way to see the technical aspect of Jesus is picture Jesus as the chosen one. Chosen by God.

King o´cups--Not sure if I´d go along with all of this. My thinking is that God is an entity, a spirit who has created all and that he/she/it has consciousness and is the ultimate creative force. I have, however, heard similar theories as yours.

AC--Aliens are real; the universe is teeming with life. What the aliens do not know is that they do the will of God (much like humans do). But humans have a greater free will. That is where the veil of ignorance comes into play: there will never be some big UFO incident here on Earth. There will never be some big event such as the one TFT describes. TFT is very wrong, BTW, about all aliens being fallen angels. Let me put it to ya this way; all us humans here are aliens. See it like emmigrants to the USA; some have been here for generations, some just got off the boat.

King o´cups--I think we can all agree that aliens are a reality. Our only question is just what they are. I agree with you completely about TFT being wrong about the "all aliens are fallen angels" theory. I´ve seen his theory (that´s all it is) in many other places by other authors, so his "knowlege" is not "special" or conveyed by God as he has claimed. It´s a well-worn belief. My belief, to take this a bit further, is that aliens are in one sense like people: there are good, there are bad, and there are the great majority who are in between the two extremes.

AC--The Rapture? Well there may be a kinda reverse rapture whereby some negative will be taken out of humans. This is nothing we will "see". We (humanity) will just become more peaceful....

King o´cups--I´d have to agree with this as well. There won´t be a rapture of the "chosen ones". This idea is a standard thread running throughout humanity´s history--where the good will be safely taken away from the evil by a saviour from without.