More Questions about aliens.......

Jodido,

Everyone knows you´re Johnny Depp.



W/E

Here´s a portion of an article by an abductee. This doesn´t look like aliens are here to "save" us or provide salvation. Looks to me like they´re leaving it to us.
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"You are here to get rid of the fear. You are here to clear up your emotional body. There are many healers amongst you who can assist you in this process. ....

There are many ways of assisting mankind in this, but there is also a law called the law of cause and effect. And no one -- we have to repeat it over and over again: "No one from the higher dimensions is ever, ever allowed to intervene with mankind´s decisions!" They will never be allowed to take over this planet. No one from a higher dimension will ever put on his shoulders the burden of karma by doing the work for mankind. It will not happen that way. Mankind will be given the possibility to do it by himself. When we talk about intervention, it will only take place if mankind is about to destroy his planet by nuclear explosion, because that will have tremendous effect on all the planets in the solar system. It has happened before. It is not going to happen again. Mankind will not be allowed to destroy his planet. He may be allowed to destroy the physical life forms on this planet by pollution, one way or another, but he will not be allowed to explode this planet. That will not take place. This is the only way that other beings might intervene.

You cry for help, "Why don´t you come? Why don´t you come to us? Why don´t you come and assist us in this?" We do! We have been here for aeons now! We will never leave you behind, never. When we heard the cry for help from this planet, we decided to come, because you are our brothers and sisters. We come with a greater wisdom and greater love to share with you. We come as equals to communicate the message of love, the message of light. That is what we do. All we ask you to do is to ask us for help and assistance, and you will see we are there. Don´t expect us to come in our wonderful ships to evacuate you. This is not the purpose. We are not here to evacuate you, not at all. We are here with one purpose: to unite with you, to unite with the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. To be united in the Father/Mother energy which has created you, which gave you the physical form. That is why we are here. So we are here to unite. You will have to take the first step. We will gladly take the next two to meet you, but you must take the first step. The first step is love. Create love. Sometimes we really do not understand why this is so difficult. Why is it so difficult? We would like to explain to you why: It is because of genetic engineering, within your DNA. You have no remembrance of who you are because of genetic engineering. We are here to assist you, to bring your DNA structure back to normal, so to speak. We will gladly assist you with this. You ask us why we don´t land with our ships and take you up. Brothers and sisters, we have our assignment. You have yours. Your assignment is to be in physical form because you agreed to go into the darkness in the physical form. You are here as a volunteer. We have been around for millions of years, waiting for you while you brought light into the darkness. That is why you are here."

[link to www.think-aboutit.com]

The post above only goes to prove to those christians who think that there is no relationship between Aliens and Christianity, that the battle has only begun. Soon I believe that many of us christians will be involved in this spiritual battle to hold the line for the truth of the gospel as these deceivers who are for now thought to be non-existent by believers, prepare to deceive the masses. Wow!

You guys are mad as hatters...

For the curious:

"The term "Mad as a Hatter" refers to someone who is behaving in an irrational way. The origins of the term come from 19th Century England. Hatmakers used felt that was treated with toxic chemicals such as arsenic, lead, and mercury. Symptoms included confused speech, personality changes and tremors.

Modern day methods of hatmaking have changed, making it a much safer industry."

[link to www.allfiberarts.com]

TFT, question?

You talked about a test that Christians will go through. Does this mean starving or gathering their own food for survival, or does it mean they will be beheaded or something similar? I really would like to know this because I want to be able to prepare my children for what is to come. I have always thought that we will be raptured before all hell breaks loose, but based upon your info (which, as you said, the Spirit IS telling me you are truthful) this is incorrect, and we (Christians) will go through a horrible time. Can the Spirit be more specific on specifically what test this is? Again, I want to prepare myself, AND my children for what will come.

Thanks for your time.

´All infomation given through the Holy Spirit´

you better fucking hope so....no wait, you dont believe, you....´know´

if it turns out that you´re shitting thru your mouth, I´ll see you in hell myself

The truth of the matter is this; nothing is as real as Earth. (period). Look at what occultism teaches (Hermetic teachings). Occultism talks about reality being made up of astral planes. Earth, the life on it, is in the material plane. Occultism (traditional) says that the material plane is one of the lowest. That is wrong. On the material plane here we are "riding the crest of the wave of reality." Where would God be but at the point where the book is being written? And that is one thing that makes Earth so special; the ´book´ is written here like no other place, anywhere. We, are at the top, King of Cups. Forget all that horseraddish about beings from higher dimensions, blah, blah. To paraphrase your post, KoC, of course they want to ´unite´ with us, because here is where its at (period). You wanted to get close to God? Well, here ya are.

Fine. Don´t believe me. It no matter if ya do or don´t; that won´t change what Earth is. But I am telling you now; we humans here are in a much ´higher´ place than all those ´channelled´ ´higher beings´. Earth is where the great play is being written. Say ya don´t believe that Jesus was/is the son of God. If ya don´t believe it, that don´t change what IS. And Jesus incarnated HERE.

You want to complain how bad it is here on Earth? How much suffering goes on? Well, Earth is a microcosm of the universe (actually the universe is a macrocosm of Earth, but its easier to say it the other way). There is heaven and hell on Earth; we have it all. We are all, and don´t let no two-bit ´alien´ tell ya otherwise :)

Jim
User ID: 14081
7/22/2005
11:42 pm EDT Re: More Questions about aliens.......

TFT, question?

You talked about a test that Christians will go through. Does this mean starving or gathering their own food for survival, or does it mean they will be beheaded or something similar?

REPLY: Sadly, this will be a most trying time for Christians, that is scheduled for three and a half years and will be concluded by the rapture. I will post the scriptures that most Christians overlook as being related to this period.

1, Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

It should be noted here that Daniel that the Antichrist will "WEAR THE SAINTS OUT"; not sinners. The saints/Christians will be here during that time called "a time and times and the dividing of time"; which means three (3) and a half years. This **three (3) and a half year period is MOST significant and I will adress it later. I will note it with a double asterick **.

2, Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The dragon that is angry is Satan. He makes war "with the remnant of her seed (rest of the Christians). We are now getting ready to experience this WRATH OF SATAN which is before the WRATH OF GOD. The wrath of Satan is before the rapture and the wrath of God is AFTER the rapture; for God has not appointed us unto His wrath.

During the wrath of Satan, many who say they are Christians will fall away from faith; but their will also be true Christians who die for their faith:

1, Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have TRIBULATION ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

"BE THOU FAITHUL UNTO (when confronted with)DEATH"

2. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Many will overcome Satan because their death will cause them to leave this earth and they "LOVE NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO (when confronted with)DEATH". The reason for this fearless stand is because of the words of Jesus that said:

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

They understand that they TRULY do not die; which Satan also knows but he attempts to frighten them PHYSICALLY. The physical part is only a small portion of our existence and God actually has a brand new body waiting for us called "THE MORNING STAR":

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star

"WE ARE INVINCIBLE AS CHRISTIANS!!"

Looking closer at this time of suffering I want to further direct your attention to where Jesus mentions why and when the suffering happens and where Rev. supports His words.

Matt 13:24 - Matt 13:30 PLEASE READ ALL VERSES

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This separation is done through testing and further supported here:

Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH ARE THE CHRISTIANS!!
HIM THAT IS SITTING ON THE CLOUD IS JESUS

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Note that this time an ANGEL is using the sickle and not Jesus as was the first time. These are sadly the lost and unsaved.

Finally, be advised that all Christians will not be killed. There will be a remnant who will leave at the rapture which will stop the onslaught. These few Christians will survive by their MOST STRONG dependence upon these facts:

1. 1Ki 17:3 Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:4 And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.
1Ki 17:5 So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

2. Ki 17:9 Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.

3. Sa 16:1 And when David was a little past the top of the hill, behold, Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred loaves of bread, and an hundred bunches of raisins, and an hundred of summer fruits, and a bottle of wine.
2Sa 16:2 And the king said unto Ziba, What meanest thou by these? And Ziba said, The asses be for the king´s household to ride on; and the bread and summer fruit for the young men to eat; and the wine, that such as be faint in the wilderness may drink.

David was fleeing the FALSE CHRIST for David was the TRULY ANNOINTED ONE not Absalom; for Abasalom represents the false christ/Antichrist here. Yet David was taken care of.

4. Mat 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
Mat 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
Mat 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.
Mat 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Let me add that many Christians will be left for dead because many will forget that Jesus can raise them from the dead and will not seek to lay hands on those left for dead. There are many scriptures thoughout the bible that supports God´s ability to sustain His children.


YOU: I really would like to know this because I want to be able to prepare my children for what is to come. I have always thought that we will be raptured before all hell breaks loose, but based upon your info (which, as you said, the Spirit IS telling me you are truthful) this is incorrect, and we (Christians) will go through a horrible time. Can the Spirit be more specific on specifically what test this is?

REPLY: The reason for the errors made here by Christians is because of a misunderstanding of Daniel chapter 9 and especially the middle of verse 26. Many in error extend the information after the colon (:) beyond the period (.) at the end of the sentence. This error causes for the "he" in verse 27 to be perceived as the antichrist instead of JESUS; who it is actually referring to. The information after the colon (:) is only added information as required in rules of ENGLISH. If the writer had not expanded upon the first sentence with a colon(:) it would then read this way:

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.
(I have purposely left out the added info)
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Then and only then will it be undersood that
1. Jesus was cut off (crucified) after a **three (3) and a half year ministry.

2. Jesus was scheduled to confirm "THE COVENANT" for one week, which is seven (7) years.

3. But Jesus was cut off (crucified) in the MIDDLE of the week (3 and a half year ministry)and because He was crucified, He (Jesus)
"CAUSE(D) THE SACRAFICE AND OBLATION TO CEASE".

4. Jesus became the sacrafice Himself.

5. and for (because of) the overspreading of abominations (sin) he shall make it desolate (remove the Holy Spirit), even until the consummation (the end when all is finished).

6. There are only **three (3) and half years left of the original seven (7) year period.

7. That **three (3)and half year period is SCHEDULED to be the period of time of intense suffering before the rapture where the tares and wheat are separated; the FAKE Christians from the real Christians.

In conclusion, that **three (3) and a half year period will be shortened "for the sake of the elect" and therefore no ones knows the day or the hour of His return, but we DO KNOW the SEASON. That season is NOW.

The alien appearance will have much to do with this suffering as the alien INFULENCE ONLY upon humanity will TURN THE TIDE fully against Christianity. Note that their INFLUENCE is needed ONLY and not their interaction!

THUS THE ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT AND DISPLAY!

Thanks for asking..........

My last reply is crucial to all, therefore in case it was missed I am bumping it to the top.

Thanks for reading.......

Eloheim and Nephilium.One of the air,and one below the Earth.In fact the two are the same.The Visitors fly above and exist underneath.They have always been with us.

Fallen Angels.I suspect some linguist is translating incorrectly. Fallen as in "below the Earth" or "to the ground".
Every last abductee recalls caverns,including myself.

Thanks, Steven, for the specifics.

Wow, that´s a lot of data...let me think for a moment.

Hope to deal with more questions later today. Off to church for now. Have a blessed day.

Thanks for reading.........

thanks TFT! that longer post was quite succinct. i believe you´re onto something. i think i´ll read it again..

Thanks Stephen. This is where I have concern. When the Aliens (evil angels) come, it will shatter those who are not firm in knowing Christ is the way to eternal life, and make them question the Christian message. That, coupled with the testing that we will have, will indeed separate the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks again Stephen, its been great reading the spirit´s information through you!

wow. 29 pages of xtian bullshit.

Will answer more questions later today. Have a blessed day.

Thanks for reading...........

THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, EXCEPT A FAKE ONE BY THE GOVERNMENT. They´ve been conditioning us for it for years, in Dark Forces Churchianity and music and television Etc.


And, boy, are the fundies pushing this bigtime.

People will have you believe the USA was a country founded by Christian men, serving God, and establishing the bill of rights, a humanist constitution protecting those rights, etc. People who do not understand the truth of things will have you also believe the country was hi-jacked along the way by dark forces.

Yeah, that´s the outward, visible persona. It´s a fiction.

You don´t go to a building and listen to some idiot for know God. You live goodness from your inner church, your heart. That´s where God is.

The operator
User ID: 15545
7/25/2005

"THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, EXCEPT A FAKE ONE BY THE GOVERNMENT. They´ve been conditioning us for it for years, in Dark Forces Churchianity and music and television Etc.

And, boy, are the fundies pushing this bigtime."

You are SO RIGHT operator. The fundies are a part of the deception pushed on us by government, religion, education and business. The Dark Forces as you call them are right there, under the nose of Christians, and beg for money every Sunday while instilling fear in the congregation. The Revelation/end times hoax is a part of that.

"People who do not understand the truth of things will have you also believe the country was hi-jacked along the way by dark forces."

Right, like as though we were "good" at one time but somehow evil took over. Evil has always been in control of this country and every other nation on earth. War=money. By creating tyranny, those forces knew that good people would go to war to attempt to end that tyranny throughout history. We´re no different and have always been pawns in a much bigger game.

TFT, question?

You talked about a test that Christians will go through. Does this mean starving or gathering their own food for survival, or does it mean they will be beheaded or something similar?

REPLY: Sadly, this will be a most trying time for Christians, that is scheduled for three and a half years and will be concluded by the rapture. I will post the scriptures that most Christians overlook as being related to this period.

1, Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

It should be noted here that Daniel that the Antichrist will "WEAR THE SAINTS OUT"; not sinners. The saints/Christians will be here during that time called "a time and times and the dividing of time"; which means three (3) and a half years. This **three (3) and a half year period is MOST significant and I will adress it later. I will note it with a double asterick **.

2, Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The dragon that is angry is Satan. He makes war "with the remnant of her seed (rest of the Christians). We are now getting ready to experience this WRATH OF SATAN which is before the WRATH OF GOD. The wrath of Satan is before the rapture and the wrath of God is AFTER the rapture; for God has not appointed us unto His wrath.

During the wrath of Satan, many who say they are Christians will fall away from faith; but their will also be true Christians who die for their faith:

1, Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have TRIBULATION ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

"BE THOU FAITHUL UNTO (when confronted with)DEATH"

2. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Many will overcome Satan because their death will cause them to leave this earth and they "LOVE NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO (when confronted with)DEATH". The reason for this fearless stand is because of the words of Jesus that said:

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

They understand that they TRULY do not die; which Satan also knows but he attempts to frighten them PHYSICALLY. The physical part is only a small portion of our existence and God actually has a brand new body waiting for us called "THE MORNING STAR":

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star

"WE ARE INVINCIBLE AS CHRISTIANS!!"

Looking closer at this time of suffering I want to further direct your attention to where Jesus mentions why and when the suffering happens and where Rev. supports His words.

Matt 13:24 - Matt 13:30 PLEASE READ ALL VERSES

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This separation is done through testing and further supported here:

Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH ARE THE CHRISTIANS!!
HIM THAT IS SITTING ON THE CLOUD IS JESUS

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Note that this time an ANGEL is using the sickle and not Jesus as was the first time. These are sadly the lost and unsaved.

Finally, be advised that all Christians will not be killed. There will be a remnant who will leave at the rapture which will stop the onslaught. These few Christians will survive by their MOST STRONG dependence upon these facts:

1. 1Ki 17:3 Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:4 And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.
1Ki 17:5 So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

2. Ki 17:9 Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.

3. Sa 16:1 And when David was a little past the top of the hill, behold, Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred loaves of bread, and an hundred bunches of raisins, and an hundred of summer fruits, and a bottle of wine.
2Sa 16:2 And the king said unto Ziba, What meanest thou by these? And Ziba said, The asses be for the king´s household to ride on; and the bread and summer fruit for the young men to eat; and the wine, that such as be faint in the wilderness may drink.

David was fleeing the FALSE CHRIST for David was the TRULY ANNOINTED ONE not Absalom; for Abasalom represents the false christ/Antichrist here. Yet David was taken care of.

4. Mat 14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
Mat 14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
Mat 14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.
Mat 14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Let me add that many Christians will be left for dead because many will forget that Jesus can raise them from the dead and will not seek to lay hands on those left for dead. There are many scriptures thoughout the bible that supports God´s ability to sustain His children.


YOU: I really would like to know this because I want to be able to prepare my children for what is to come. I have always thought that we will be raptured before all hell breaks loose, but based upon your info (which, as you said, the Spirit IS telling me you are truthful) this is incorrect, and we (Christians) will go through a horrible time. Can the Spirit be more specific on specifically what test this is?

REPLY: The reason for the errors made here by Christians is because of a misunderstanding of Daniel chapter 9 and especially the middle of verse 26. Many in error extend the information after the colon (:) beyond the period (.) at the end of the sentence. This error causes for the "he" in verse 27 to be perceived as the antichrist instead of JESUS; who it is actually referring to. The information after the colon (:) is only added information as required in rules of ENGLISH. If the writer had not expanded upon the first sentence with a colon(:) it would then read this way:

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.
(I have purposely left out the added info)
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Then and only then will it be undersood that
1. Jesus was cut off (crucified) after a **three (3) and a half year ministry.

2. Jesus was scheduled to confirm "THE COVENANT" for one week, which is seven (7) years.

3. But Jesus was cut off (crucified) in the MIDDLE of the week (3 and a half year ministry)and because He was crucified, He (Jesus)
"CAUSE(D) THE SACRAFICE AND OBLATION TO CEASE".

4. Jesus became the sacrafice Himself.

5. and for (because of) the overspreading of abominations (sin) he shall make it desolate (remove the Holy Spirit), even until the consummation (the end when all is finished).

6. There are only **three (3) and half years left of the original seven (7) year period.

7. That **three (3)and half year period is SCHEDULED to be the period of time of intense suffering before the rapture where the tares and wheat are separated; the FAKE Christians from the real Christians.

In conclusion, that **three (3) and a half year period will be shortened "for the sake of the elect" and therefore no ones knows the day or the hour of His return, but we DO KNOW the SEASON. That season is NOW.

The alien appearance will have much to do with this suffering as the alien INFULENCE ONLY upon humanity will TURN THE TIDE fully against Christianity. Note that their INFLUENCE is needed ONLY and not their interaction!

THUS THE ALIEN ANNOUNCEMENT AND DISPLAY!

Thanks for asking..........

bump

It´s been over 4 days since I asked:

What is the connection between Elohim and aliens?

TFT are you there? Maybe you´ve been busy or away, so be it.

King of Cups
User ID: 418
7/26/2005
9:23 pm EDT

It´s been over 4 days since I asked:

What is the connection between Elohim and aliens?

TFT are you there? Maybe you´ve been busy or away, so be it.

REPLY: Yes, I can be quite busy at times considering the many tasks I am responsible for. However glad to oblige you with your question none the less.

Elohim is the Hebrew word for a word translated in the Old Testament 3,100 times in 2,697 verses. It is also the word for a word translated in Greek as Theos and then translated into English in our New Testament 1,368 in 1,194 verses. That English translation for both Elohim and Theos is know as "GOD" in the English language. So now that we have the translations out of the way lets just phrase the question for the benefit of the English speaking people of the world.

You question is then: What is the difference between GOD and Aliens.

That answer is defined in the summation of the following facts:
1. God created everything, including Angels.
2. Some of the created Angels fell and became fallen angels.
3. These Fallen Angels have CLONED beings we call ALIENS.
4. These Fallen Angels possess or "inhabit" these cloned beings
5. Because of the possessed nature of ALL of these aliens (children of the fallen angels), they (all of them) have been relegated by God to the status of Fallen Angels.

I will not do the summation; for it as you can surely see, quite elementary.

Thanks for asking.................
Thanks for your much appreciated assistance................

TFT--"Thanks for your much appreciated assistance................"

REPLY--Oh, believe me, it´s no problem. I want to expose this myth as much as possible.

I ASKED--"What is the connection between Elohim and aliens?"

TFT REPLY: "Elohim is the Hebrew word for a word translated in the Old Testament 3,100 times in 2,697 verses. It is also the word for a word translated in Greek as Theos and then translated into English in our New Testament 1,368 in 1,194 verses. That English translation for both Elohim and Theos is know as "GOD" in the English language. So now that we have the translations out of the way lets just phrase the question for the benefit of the English speaking people of the world."

KING OF CUPS--I´m shocked, even at you, TFT, that you would obscure and attempt to hide the meaning of the word Elohim. You should know (and I think you do) that Elohim is a plural noun and as such refers to more than one god. In the context of Genesis, where God (Elohim) says "let US make man (the adam) in OUR image..." can only indicate the plural sense of this noun. Oh yes, there is controversy as to the sense this noun is used in various places, but we can readily see here, in verse 26, that it is used in the plural sense (not the contrived "plural majesty") and as such refers to more than one being creating mankind´s BODY.

TFT--"You question is then: What is the difference between GOD and Aliens."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--No, TFT, that is NOT my question. You who claim a special connection with God should know what I meant.

"1. God created everything, including Angels."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--I believe God created and creates all souls and spirits, however, our physical bodies were engineered by an alien race.

"2. Some of the created Angels fell and became fallen angels."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--Possibly, but I doubt this, at least as the story goes in Christianity.

"3. These Fallen Angels have CLONED beings we call ALIENS."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--Prove it.

"4. These Fallen Angels possess or "inhabit" these cloned beings"

KING OF CUPS REPLY--Prove it.

"5. Because of the possessed nature of ALL of these aliens (children of the fallen angels), they (all of them) have been relegated by God to the status of Fallen Angels."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--Prove it.

TFT--"I will not do the summation; for it as you can surely see, quite elementary."

KING OF CUPS REPLY--But you failed to answer the question "What is the connection between Elohim and aliens?", not "what is the difference." The connection is that they, at least as refered to in the Creation story,are one and the same and created our BODY, our physical form, via genetic engineering. There were also other creatures created or engineered by them as well.

Elohim

See also GOD.

(Sept., theos; Vulg., Deus).

Elohim is the common name for God. It is a plural form, but "The usage of the language gives no support to the supposition that we have in the plural form Elohim, applied to the God of Israel, the remains of an early polytheism, or at least a combination with the higher spiritual beings" (Kautzsch). Grammarians call it a plural of majesty or rank, or of abstraction, or of magnitude (Gesenius, Grammatik, 27th ed., nn. 124 g, 132 h). The Ethiopic plural amlak has become a proper name of God. Hoffmann has pointed out an analogous plural elim in the Phoenician inscriptions (Ueber einige phon. Inschr., 1889, p. 17 sqq.), and Barton has shown that in the tablets from El-Amarna the plural form ilani replaces the singular more than forty times (Proceedings of the American Oriental Society, 21-23 April, 1892, pp. cxcvi-cxcix).

Etymology

Elohim has been explained as a plural form of Eloah or as plural derivative of El. Those who adhere to the former explanation do not agree as to the derivation of Eloah. There is no such verbal stem as alah in Hebrew; but the Arabist Fleischer, Franz Delitzsch, and others appeal to the Arabic aliha, meaning "to be filled with dread", "anxiously to seek refuge", so that ilah (eloah) would mean in the first place "dread", then the object of dread. Gen., xxi, 42, 53, where God is called "the fear of Isaac", Is., viii, 13, and Ps. lxxv, 12, appear to support this view. But the fact that aliha is probably not an independent verbal stem but only a denominative from ilah, signifying originally "possessed of God" (cf. enthousiazein, daimonan) renders the explanation more than precarious. There is no more probability in the contention of Ewald, Dillmann, and others that the verbal stem, alah means "to be mighty": and is to regarded as a by-form of the stem alah; that, therefore, Eloah grows out of alah as El springs from alah. Baethgen (Beitrage, 297) has pointed out that of the fifty-seven occurrences of Eloah forty-one belong to the Book of Job, and the others to late texts or poetic passages. Hence he agrees with Buhl in maintaining that the singular form Eloah came into existence only after the plural form Elohim had been long in common use; in this case, a singular was supplied for its pre-existent plural. But even admitting Elohim to be the prior form, its etymology has not thus far been satisfactorily explained. The ancient Jewish and the early ecclesiastical writers agree with many modern scholars in deriving Elohim from El, but there is a great difference of opinion as to the method of derivation. Nestle (Theol. Stud. aus Würt., 1882, pp. 243 sqq.) supposes that the plural has arisen by the insertion of an artificial h, like the Hebrew amahoth (maidens) from amah. Buhl (Gesenius Hebraisches Handworterbuch, 12th ed., 1895, pp. 41 sq.) considers Elohim as a sort of augmentative form of El; but in spite of their disagreement as to the method of derivation, these writers are one in supposing that in early Hebrew the singular of the word signifying God was El, and its plural form Elohim; and that only more recent times coined the singular form Eloah, thus giving Elohim a grammatically correct correspondent. Lagrange, however, maintains that Elohim and Eloah are derived collaterally and independently from El.

The Use of the Word

The Hebrews had three common names of God, El, Elohim, and Eloah; besides, they had the proper name Yahweh. Nestle is authority for the statement that Yahweh occurs about six thousand times in the Old Testament, while all the common names of God taken together do not occur half as often. The name Elohim is found 2570 times; Eloah, 57 times [41 in Job; 4 in Pss.; 4 in Dan.; 2 in Hab.; 2 in Canticle of Moses (Deut., xxxii); 1 in Prov., 1 in Is.; 1 in Par.; 1 in Neh. (II Esd.)]; El, 226 times (Elim, 9 times). Lagrange (Etudes sur les religions sémitiques, Paris, 1905, p. 71) infers from Gen., xlvi, 3 (the most mighty God of thy father), Ex., vi, 3 (by the name of God Almighty), and from the fact that El replaces Yah in proper names, the conclusion that El was at first a proper and personal name of God. Its great age may be shown from its general occurrence among all the Semitic races, and this in its turn may be illustrated by its presence in the proper names found in Gen., iv, 18; xxv, 13; xxxvi, 43. Elohim is not found among all the Semitic races; the Aramaeans alone seem to have had an analogous form. It has been suggested that the name Elohim must have been formed after the descendants of Shem had separated into distinct nations.

Meaning of the Word

If Elohim be regarded as derived from El, its original meaning would be "the strong one" according to Wellhausen´s derivation of El, from ul (Skizzen, III, 169); or "the foremost one", according to Nöldeke´s derivation of El from ul or il, "to be in front" (Sitzungsberichte der berlinischen Akademie der Wissenschaften, 1880, pp. 760 sqq.; 1882, pp. 1175 sqq.); or "the mighty one", according to Dillmann´s derivation of El from alah or alay, "to be mighty" (On Genesis, I, 1); or, finally "He after whom one strives", "Who is the goal of all human aspiration and endeavour", "to whom one has recourse in distress or when one is in need of guidance", "to who one attaches oneself closely", coincidentibus interea bono et fine, according to the derivation of El from the preposition el, "to", advocated by La Place (cf. Lagarde, Uebersicht, etc., p. 167), Lagarde (op. cit., pp. 159 sqq.), Lagrange (Religions semitiques, pp. 79 sqq.), and others. A discussion of the arguments which militate for and against each of the foregoing derivations would lead us too far.

If we have recourse to the use of the word Elohim in the study of its meaning, we find that in its proper sense it denotes either the true God or false gods, and metaphorically it is applied to judges, angels, and kings; and even accompanies other nouns, giving them a superlative meaning. The presence of the article, the singular construction of the word, and its context show with sufficient clearness whether it must be taken in its proper or its metaphorical sense, and what is its precise meaning in each case. Kautzsch (Encyclopaedia Biblica, III, 3324, n. 2) endeavours to do away with the metaphorical sense of Elohim. Instead of the rendering "judges" he suggests the translation "God", as witness of a lawsuit, as giver of decisions on points of law, or as dispenser of oracles; for the rendering "angels" he substitutes "the gods of the heathen", which, in later post-exilic times, fell to a lower rank. But this interpretation is not supported by solid proof.

According to Renan (Histoire du peuple d´Israel, I, p. 30) the Semites believed that the world is surrounded, penetrated, and governed by the Elohim, myriads of active beings, analogous to the spirits of the savages, alive, but somehow inseparable from one another, not even distinguished by their proper names as the gods of the Aryans, so that they can be considered as a confused totality. Marti (Geschichte der israelitischen Religion, p. 26), too, finds in Elohim a trace of the original Semitic polydemonism; he maintains that the word signified the sum of the divine beings that inhabited any given place. Baethgen (op. cit., p. 287), F.C. Baur (Symbolik und Mythologie, I, 304), and Hellmuth-Zimmermann (Elohim, Berlin, 1900) make Elohim an expression of power, grandeur, and totality. Lagrange (op. cit., p. 78) urges against these views that even the Semitic races need distinct units before they have a sum, and distinct parts before that arrive at a totality. Moreover, the name El is prior to Elohim (op. cit., p. 77 sq.) and El is both a proper and a common name of God. Originally it was either a proper name and has become a common name, or it was a common name has become a proper name. In either case, El, and, therefore, also its derivative form Elohim, must have denoted the one true God. This inference becomes clear after a little reflection. If El was, at first, the proper name of a false god, it could not become the common name of a false god, it could not become the common name for deity any more than Jupiter or Juno could; and if it was, at first, the common name for deity, it could become the proper name only of that God who combined in him all the attributes of deity, who was the one true God. This does not imply that all the Semitic races had from the beginning a clear concept of God´s unit and Divine attributes, though all had originally the Divine name El.

...where God (Elohim) says "let US make man (the adam) in OUR image..." can only indicate the plural sense of this noun.