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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

 
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WE HAVE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verify people, verify.
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The original youtube video was removed withing 6 hours of posting. Shit must have already been going down.
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace
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you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...
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WE HAVE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The video shows more then one survivor. The fact remains ammo cooked off and now those survivors did not survive.

Nor did the camera man.
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WE HAVE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verify people, verify.


The video shows more then one survivor. The fact remains ammo cooked off and now those survivors did not survive.

Nor did the camera man.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 948286



It was staged...I saw better acting at a kids 4th grade play...
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...
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nope your valid photo would be claimed to be photoshopped
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It could be a coup. The biggest doubts.

Oryginal polish source: [link to filipstankiewicz.salon24.pl]

Andrei Mendierej - amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead?

Oryginal polish source: [link to wolnemedia.net]
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I can't find ANY OTHER source.

But, I did find precedent:

[link to www.rferl.org]
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace
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You are a communist collaborator at the very least, but I think the truth is probably worse than that. You deserve the fate of a traitor.
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any action on the BLACK BOX transcripts yet?

just asking because it 'seems to have all gone quiet'.
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Thread: Black box reveals pilots of Polish president's jet knew they were doomed and there was 'dramatic' flight deck speech
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[link to translate.googleusercontent.com]
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NEW REPORT STARTS HERE:

AIRCRASH HAS ALL THE HALLMARKS OF A ‘PREPLANNED ACCIDENT’
It is most unlikely that the fatal crash shortly before 11:00 a.m. on 10th April of a Polish Government Tupolev Tu-154 aircraft near the Smolensk-Severnyi military airport, was an accident. It looked just like an accident, given that the airplane sliced treetops on its fourth attempt to land in heavy fog, disintegrating about one mile from the airport. There had been ‘suggestions’ that the plane should divert to Minsk. There were no survivors.

The 60-year-old President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski, was leading a delegation of highest-level Polish officials to attend memorial ceremonies at Katyn, the site of the massacre of 22,000 Poles by Soviet terrorist operatives 70 years ago.

As a consequence of that massacre in 1940 et seq., all possible sources of subsequent resistance to Soviet control in Poland were liquidated in one operation.

The casualty list of those who perished in the Tupolev Tu-154 crash on Saturday implies that Polish sources of problems considered to be intractable by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov), of Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU), and Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachëv (KGB-FSB-covert Party) from his administrative wing inside the Kremlin complex, have likewise been liquidated in what can be considered to be ‘the second Katyn Massacre’.

THE KEY FIGURES IDENTIFIED AMONG THE CASUALTIES
Among the dead were the following:


• Blasik, Andrzej, Chief of the Polish Air Force.

• Bochenek, Krystyna, Deputy Speaker of the Polish Senate.

• Chodakowski, Archbishop Miron, Orthodox Ordinary of the Polish Army.

• Deptula, Leszek, Member of the Sejm (Lower House of Parliament).

• Dolniak, Grzegorz, Member of the Sejm.

• Fetlinska, Janina, Member of the Polish Senate.

• Gagor, General Franciszek, Chief of the Polish Army General Staff.

• Gesicka, Grazyna, Member of the Sejm.

• Gosiewski, Przemyslaw, Member of the Sejm.

• Handzlik, Mariusz, Undersecretary of State in President's Office.

• Jaruga-Nowacka, Izabela, Member of the Sejm.

• Karpiniuk, Sebastian, Member of the Sejm.

• Karweta, Vice Admiral Andrzej, Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Navy.

• Kaczynski, Lech, President of the Republic of Poland.

• Kaczynski, Mrs, wife of the President of the Republic.

• Kochanowski, Janusz, Polish Ombudsman for Citizen Rights.

• Kremer, Andrzej, Polish Deputy Foreign Minister.

• Kurtyka, Janusz, Historian and President of the Institute of National Remembrance.

• Natalli-Swiat, Aleksandra, Member of the Sejm.

• Nurowski, Piotr, President of the Polish Olympic Committee.

• Plazynski, Maciej, President of the Polish Community Association.

• Ploski, Tadeusz, Bishop of the Military Ordinariate of the Polish Army.

• Przewoznik, Andrzej, Secretary-General, Council for Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites.

• Putra, Krzysztof, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm.

• Rumianek, Ryszard, Rector of the Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski University.

• Rybicki, Arkadiusz, Member of the Sejm.

• Skrzypek, Slawomir, President of the National Bank of Poland.

• Stasiak, Wladyslaw, Chief of the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland.

• Szczyglo, Aleksander, Head of the National Security Bureau.

• Szmajdzinski, Jerzy, Deputy Speaker of the Sejm.

• Szymanek-Deresz, Jolanta, Member of the Sejm.

• Walentynowicz, Anna, free trade union activist, member of Solidarity (Solidarity heroine).

• Wassermann, Zbigniew, Member of the Sejm.

• Woda, Wieslaw, Member of the Sejm.

• Wojtas, Edward, Member of the Sejm.

• Wypych, Pawel, Secretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland.

• Zajac, Stanislaw, Member of the Senate
… and several other Members of the Sejm.

ALL POLAND’S TOP PEOPLE WIPED OUT IN ONE HIT
To recapitulate, Poland lost, in addition to the President of the Polish Republic and his wife:


• The Chief of the Polish Air Force.

• The Chief of the Polish Army General Staff.

• The Commander-in-chief of the Polish Navy.
= ALL THE MILITARY SERVICE CHIEFS.


• The head of Polish Intelligence (National Security Bureau).


• The three top officials inside the Office of the President of the Republic.


• The Governor of the National Bank of Poland.


• The Deputy Foreign Minister of Poland.

SUSPICIOUS TIMING AND OVERHAUL THE OLD SOVIET TU-154
Moreover the timing of this ‘planned accident’ is highly suspicious. For starters, the 25-year-old aircraft had undergone a complete overhaul at a factory in southern Russia late last year, being delivered to the Polish authorities in December 2009.

This makes a planned malfunction likely, especially given that the Katyn massacre ceremony, to be held 70 years after the atrocity, was of course ‘known in advance’.

Issues contemporaneous with this catastrophe include:


• Most conspicuously, the peak level of intergovernmental tensions surrounding the disposition and settlement of diverted and stolen funds, given not least that Poland was exploited during the Bush II Administration, when the US Ambassador to Poland was a known George W. Bush crony (to go into no further details here) and Polish institutions were flooded with the proceeds of illicit off-balance sheet trades leveraged off diverted and stolen funds.


• The projected use of the Polish Army’s Ustka-Wicko base as a possible site for US missile interceptors. Russia objected strongly and suspended participation in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe.


• Contracts for Western aircraft.

LONG ARM OF RUSSIA’S CLENCHED FIST DEPLOYED
Historically, when Poland tries to align itself with the West, Russia has deployed the long arm of its clenched fist – starting with the Katyn massacre of thousands of Polish officers and key political leaders, so that come the Russian occupation, there was minimal opposition from Poles trying to defend their freedom.

In 1943, Polish General Sikorski’s plane crashed, and the General was killed, off Gibraltar, around the time of the Tehran Conference that set the scene for the catastrophic Yalta Conference, which consigned Poland to Soviet control after the war.

And exiled Polish leaders who returned home after the war were ‘tried’ and executed in the late 1940s and early 1950s by the Soviets and by their Polish puppet Communist governments.

Similar peculiarities were noted elsewhere in Eastern Europe: for instance, the Czech President suddenly ‘committed suicide’ in 1948 by jumping off a balcony immediately ahead of free elections which never happened.

Now we have the instant liquidation, in one operation, of the Polish President and his wife, the chiefs of the three Polish military services, the Polish Intelligence Chief, the three top officials from the late Polish President’s Office (who knew everything), and the Governor of the National Bank of Poland – killed in an old Soviet aircraft which had undergone a ‘complete overhaul’ in a southern Russian factory only four months earlier.

The German DVD 'Black agency' is known for its expertise in fiddling with aircraft controls to procure delayed crashes. It is a 'talent' shared with its secret allies, the covert Soviet GRU-KGB.

Key signatories required for crucial contemporaneous financial undertakings would of course have been those of the President and the Governor of the National Bank of Poland.

No wonder the Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev (Menakhem Aaronovich Mendel’) appointed GRU-Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov) to head a commission to ‘investigate’ the crash – despatching the Russian Minister for Emergency Situations, the well-known ‘former’ Communist apparatchik Sergei Shoigu, to the crash site.


• Any evidence of pre-planned delayed sabotage will need to have been identified and removed from the scene smartish.
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On another note, polish investigators are questioning the russian side why work on the runway lights started immediately after the crash without notifying anyone. It also might have played a major role in the crash.

[link to fakty.interia.pl]


OTHER DOOM!
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WE HAVE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verify people, verify.


The video shows more then one survivor. The fact remains ammo cooked off and now those survivors did not survive.

Nor did the camera man.



It was staged...I saw better acting at a kids 4th grade play...
 Quoting: Jah Stone Massive!



Ok the fact remains that the survivors nor the camera man survived. So your point of view is very posibly and makes this even scarier.

If it was staged.. By who. Iran? to provoke ww3?
israel? russia? the US? korea?

this video is literally a smoking gun that left NO surviors.
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The original youtube video was removed withing 6 hours of posting. Shit must have already been going down.
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looks like it is um too late,,, heh. GONE VIRAL~! (too late to scrub it hahaha)
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So can anyone translate? What does it say I watched the video of the shooting and I believed it was gun shots and they did hit something you could tell by the sound. But what does your post say?

It says the dude who filmed the video of the plane crash was STABBED... then sent to hospital where he was STABBED AGAIN TO DEATH THIS TIME.

I mean, unless you have a fucking contract on your head, THE KILLERS WON'T COME AND KILL YOU IN THE FREAKING HOSPITAL.


Dosen't sound like a professional 'hit' to me.

Maybe a loony?
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Must have been the Mossad. Hahahahahaha.
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your looking at eastern europe mate ...

its a war zone over there and always has been ffs. they couldnt give two shits who sees and what people see, they have lots of power and do what they want.

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On another note, polish investigators are questioning the russian side why work on the runway lights started immediately after the crash without notifying anyone. It also might have played a major role in the crash.

[link to fakty.interia.pl]


OTHER DOOM!
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Yep, some more wtf moments.
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"""As a consequence of that massacre in 1940 et seq., all possible sources of subsequent resistance to Soviet control in Poland were liquidated in one operation. """

Ok we have a very valid M.O. for such.with that news statement alone IMHO>
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.
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still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.
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THIS SHIT IS FUCKING SERIOUS.



Hej Diddy,

Jak prosiles daje link na ktory wczoraj wszedlem. Przetlumacze go dla naszych nie polsko jezycznych kolegow. Zapewniam Cie ze jestem Polakiem.

[link to fakty.interia.pl]

TRANSLATION :



" Author of the video seen by everyone by now has been stabbed near Kijow on 4.15 and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow. On 4.16 three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrij was prenounced dead that afternoon. Russian government claims it was a coincidence. "



PEOPLE THIS IS IT!

WORLD WAR 3!!!!!!!!!!!
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BS. How many journalists, politicians and people in the know have been killed over the years? No reason to start a war.
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Wow this is really bad...
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Anyone still having doubt THAT THE RUSSIANS KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT?

If you do... I mean... go eat some grass... because you are literally a sheeple...
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.
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when you have the below you do.

"Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov) to head a commission to ‘investigate’ the crash"
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[link to wolnemedia.net]

using google translate:


Much of the recorded conversations in the cockpit is unreadable. The recording is noisy, but we can deal with that - provided the interstate Tatiana Anodina Aviation Commission. As indicated, the data is recovered and purified from the noise. Russian experts reveal that during the flight there was no fault - the engines are operational, and before the collision with the earth was not on the board or a fire or explosion.

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Tupolev wreck at the airport in Smolensk

Tupolev wreck at the airport in Smolensk "number of photos: 6
Polish military prosecutor's office plans on Thursday - after investigators return from Russia - to reveal what they contain recorders Presidential aircraft. The third black box, which recorded the so-called. increased flight parameters, for several days is examined in the Army Institute of Technology.

At the scene of a disaster of April 10 has resulted in procedural steps. Collected the remains of the Tu-154 aircraft bearing the number 101 were transported to the airfield "Siewiernyj" in Smolensk, where he arranged them in a real scale. Over the remains of the aircraft has already begun work Technical Subcommittee of the International Aviation Commission


Assuming the authenticity of the author filmiku risked mortal danger as a witness. So I put the information that comes from the Internet, and whose veracity can not fix myself, but I think that more editors are able to confirm whether a man of that name was in the vicinity of Smolensk, and talked with family about what he saw, and other facts. If this is a false trail might be able to inquire whether the local residents have heard something about this filmiku and its author. Here is the info:

"The person who threw this movie the first was quickly removed and his account was deleted too! The author of this movie was Mendierej Andrei, who dug the knife in the vicinity of Kiev, April 15, 2010. It has been brought in an awful state to a hospital in Kiev, where he disconnected the apparatus! "

I know that the Polish prosecutor's office will examine this movie. But in the past, many investigations had remitted, were at stake when possible objections to the well known politician and businessman. Still less could be the case when the game would fall international affairs. Therefore I have reason to believe that the prosecution will undermine the credibility of the material - even if it is true. Such matters should investigate and disclose to the media. Is the television and radio stations do not have specialized equipment to check the reliability of the material and the prominence of votes going there?

The fact that everything conspires against the presidential airplane (suddenly very bad weather, incorrect indications of the altimeters, not acting TAWS, poor co-operation with the tower) is already making serious doubts. For the entry on my blog I've added a lot of interesting new information and hypotheses about the likely (intentional or unintentional), blame the Russians. And if you bear at least part of the blame (even unintentional) is that disclosure would be a huge blow to the image of Russia - which is why it can not be ruled out attempts to hide these facts.

We publish a letter received from a specialist that developed the three-dimensional navigation systems, which sheds new light on the possible causes of an aviation disaster in Smolensk. Here are the contents of this letter:

"I am a lecturer at the University of Hambuskiej and the employee responsible for the so-called. advanced research and development of Concern HarmanBecker Automotive Systems. I developed and co-created three-dimensional navigation systems, and therefore difficult for me to imagine how TAWS system that was installed in the airplane of the President, may fail if he does not "help." (More here)

Author: Philip Stankiewicz
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1st Jac 19.04.2010 15:07:

This is another "analysis", the previous translation of the tragic was removed fairly quickly because it exceeded the limits of absurdity. This is a very good test of the projection, everyone sees and hears what you are afraid. I did not see anyone waving his hand to his cameraman, if they did he would have walked there. The figure that jumps to the cockpit, well, it probably was a robot, because the pseudo-bomb, using magnetic Russian arms, hitting a speed of 300km / h, someone jumps out of the window but had bad luck because they came him in the stomach, it goes beyond the limits of reason, This can be anything, so just a man? perhaps the most afraid of? and is probably at stake, strengthening fears, someone is doing very effectively.
2nd lanzone 19.04.2010 16:44:

I recommend the watch and look between the words.
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3rd radzio 19.04.2010 17:04:

It is not only part of the tail compartment.
4th mounts 19/04/2010 19:09:

Bibiuła.pl
Russian convoy was delayed with Jaroslaw Kaczynski?
Updated: 2010-04-19 11:03 am

Polskieradio.pl portal to the unknown circumstances came a strange journey of April 10, 2010, when Jaroslaw Kaczynski traveled to the crash site of Presidential aircraft.

From Vitebsk to the border between Belarus and Russia were driving fast, now in Russia bus carrying Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who had recognized his brother's body, dramatically slowed down. Traveling more than 100-kilometer route from Vitebsk took the place of the tragedy of the Polish delegation - pilotowanej by police cars - almost 3 hours.

As reported on Twitter an expedition participant MEP Adam Bielan - Poles landed in Vitebsk, about 18.00 Polish time. The bus, which was to carry such Jaroslaw Kaczynski, Adam Bielan, Paul Smith and Adam Lipinski to Smolensk, was escorted by local militiamen.

"At nearly every intersection Belarusian policeman stands and salutes" - wrote about 18.56 on miniblogu Adam Bielan. "Very well arrived at the Belarusian-Russian border. 40 minutes there, we checked the documents, even though we had diplomatic passports. On the way to Smolensk escorted us already Russian militia. We drove very slowly, about 25-30 km / h "- anonymous reports one of the participants of the Polish delegation. "Because it looks like the sabotage stopped and we asked the militiamen escorting us what is happening. They said that such orders are "- says our interlocutor.

Ok. 20 km from Smolensk Polish coach was overtaken by a convoy carrying the signal of Prime Minister Donald Tusk, who also went to the place of a tragic accident. Tusk landed in Vitebsk before 19.00 hours Polish time, several minutes after the plane arrived to Belarus Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

About 20.40 Bielan writes on Twitter: "We drove to Smolensk. Terribly afraid of what we see. " Later, Polish coach for another half an hour circling the city, to finally reach the crash site. At that time the head of Polish government had talks with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, the two politicians laid flowers at the scene information about the course of travel portal polskieradio.pl confirms Mr Adam Lipinski, who was accompanied by Jaroslaw Kaczynski. He would not comment on them.

Piotr Paszkowski, the Polish foreign ministry spokesman would not comment on the case about the circumstances of a convoy traveling through Russia, Jaroslaw Kaczynski. "I know nothing about this case. I need to know from our people. Usually there are some circumstances that, but unreadable for those people who were in the convoy. Check it out on Monday "- says a spokesman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs portal polskieradio.pl

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5th Wrath of God 19.04.2010 23:16:

logged in here specifically to ask the author of this article, or you surfers, which is free of such relationships on the portal, a free media? free-is not dependent on, and here I see a huge dependence on trash discharged to the tube at the movies, where he literally speaks rabble, in most children's networks, which can not distinguish even the cockpit (which they were free scraps of sheet metal) from the tail of the author ... article is probably not serious, with publish this nonsense, because it is really below the criticism, I understand the O2, I understand from the WP, I understand the onet, they have the right stuff to do with every sensation because people absorb like a sponge, because they are as ignorant in order to undermine Reliability articles in the media, but here? This is the portal seems to me for thinking people here, and you cultivate even worse than watering down the brain ... in the mainstream media.

I'll add something about the whole farce activities related to the film: this film is a fabrication, forge, and propaganda tool, picture and image, and is perhaps true, but the sound is 120% podlozony, why? after 1 everyone who is reasonably aware this is not russia is behind all this, just someone who depends on skloceniu russia from Poland and the rest of the world indirectly, and the same man / group of people responsible for assembling the film and releasing it to the netu, because somehow nobody not reached the author, no one was unknown, why? because it protected the secret, no matter who he was but if it was not shot on film with no one there to say it did not crimes, because the operator and a grandfather in a blue shirt that had been shot on the spot as witnesses, if you are already a filmmaker was murdered, or much later silenced in a different way that they may not allocated to the case, it is recorded, because then came to the sound of the film contained no shots, no screams in Polish (which for me is totally fake'iem)

really please consideration in placing these badziewnych information, because I think the same thing about the article in which they are collected "theories" regarding the causes of the disaster, as well as some relationships Rus aviation enthusiast who is not only that my view does not exist, and under this name hides someone Who slandering Russia to incite the Poles, because aviation enthusiast can speak on such nonsense from the aircraft with TAWS was confused by some gorge who has all of a sudden 2-3m deep ...

Each subsequent film, information, press release guidance for us in terms of wine russia attack (not negligence) for the provocations uwazalbym special forces or intelligence completely different state, zwnetrznego which tries to deprive Russia of all forces, the remnants of dignity in the international arena, and squeeze them to the brink reinforced the conflict to have an excuse and an inch nato sila strike on Russia ...
6th Wrath of God 19.04.2010 23:50:

sory for spamming, but ... what's so strange to see the movie people live? This can be rescuers, the airport staff, military, security, even someone with the inhabitants wyprowadzajacy dog, who got mixed in there somewhere, writing such things from the movie who was shot camera with cells (think the quality) you can see from the rains and even some shot flash of smoke and direction of the barrel is a serious abuse, and the author of such digressions can go to jail for obstruction of such investigations, as a citizen because I am seeing something I can file a complaint to the prosecution of the suspected crime, or the murder of some people who in Smolensk 10.04 , 2010, whether the author understands that the interpretation of the film with full responsibility for my complaint is its charge? of course, theorize, but you must be aware of their deeds, especially uttering opinions and views in public places
7th mr_craftsman 20.04.2010 06:36:

Wrath of - what, hurt someone you publish your thoughts? can you have any advice, like "do pile every morning," "eat vegetables", "listen to the policeman?"

Free media is very free, because you can submit your thoughts here, and none of the świętojebliwym pacan censor enthusiasm and conviction about the superiority of its own because not prohibit this post.

commented, wyraziłeś your opinion, opinion - ok but his Belorussian animus deign to put an end to censorship.
8th realist 20.04.2010 07:23:

wrath, and you know whom to believe and who is telling the truth and who goes with her? well as the anger of God you are probably know, I'm not so sure look at the desire of many a theory. so I have a brain to analyze the analysis of others. Although a lot of rubbish (generally on topics conspiracy) that make the water from the rare brain, which can be even funny. However, some resentment for that reason is out of place, because there are many things stink that you can put off a knock to the head (in fact all that you can put off), but IMO this is, inter alia, the freedom that you do not need anyone to believe ... .. .

PS. personally do not rule out a coup, but I think shooting is already spoofing. Rather, I see the white gloves on guziku than weapons in the hands of savages ...
PS2. I would try to improve the quality of the movie, but it is on YT already been processed. or has anyone downloaded the "original" or a young copy?
9th 20/04/2010 08:30 Fearless:

Send this video to the ABW, are there such a hardware, that 100% of something from this draw.
10th luk3Z 20.04.2010 08:49:

Apparently the original movie + analysis:
[link to hotfile.com] 20k_film_i_zdjecia_wyjasniajace_katastrofe% 20._spostrzezenia_internautow.rar.html
11th 20/04/2010 08:57 WM Editors:

We have the first copy downloaded directly from the YT skasowanej belonging to late. author. Flv file format is 36 Mbps. You can download it HERE.
12th Maurice Hawranek 20.04.2010 09:46:

The article read:

"Pictures of Russian military and militiamen, who a few hours after the tragedy at the airport exchange Smolensk headlamps and light bulbs in lamps indicating the location of aircraft to the runway, the newspaper published a Belarusian Internet" News Vitebsk ". It was made a Belarusian journalist Sergei Serebro. More photos posted on his blog. We talked with him. - Standing lamps without bulbs - says. "

[link to www.tvn24.pl] 1652433,0,1, exchanged-lamps-just-after-crash-tu_154, wiadomosc.html
13th radzio 20.04.2010 09:52:

file from the stony sp (allegedly) miałok. 5mb.

FROM THE EDITOR: If you saved the flv file from the temporary files that the browser you are right. The file can be 5 Mb. But if your ściągałeś by one party or the programs to download files from YT, you have 36 Mb. Why? It is associated with a reduction in the size of the original file on the server YT wgranego to adjust the speed of video playback on YT. In short, what you see on YT is always worse than wgranego version of the original. I personally downloaded via one of the websites to download files from the YT video from YT, which appeared on video for the first time.
14th Wrath of God 20.04.2010 10:05:

mr_craftsman-posting their own thoughts (ie, meaningful theory) and the dissemination of totalitarian nonsense is 2 different matter, except that the analysis of my speech through the prism of my nick shows you clearly that you have zamalo years to seriously discuss topics ...

realist, on this site by me niepowinno have space to place garbage, because the service will not be called free media, only the sink, because I think this "study" the movie where some kid plan whose zero even though the concept to build a passenger plane dywaguje whether pilots jumped out of the cab, it is just funny, or useful at that inflection was already totally

the article, as amended because yesterday looked differently:
1st "It's hard to believe that it was so realistically assembled," We never dreamed szarakom never out what technologies are used by military intelligence different countries ...
2nd "There are clearly voices in Polish and immediately after the shots." Is naive thinking, at the beginning, people hear shots, then screams Ruthenian which it was created 30 or more different translations, then the Polish voices were audible, and the current version of which see is probably explained by the patient's psychiatric hospital ...
3rd "Another thing - the cockpit was saved," Nonsense, Nonsense, Nonsense and shock 3! What if Niewiesz cockpit says it will not, from the plane have survived: the broken tail aileron and a wheelhouse Anchorages separately, a large part of the bottom of the hull together with the landing gear, wings and odd formless mass of steel scrap between which may lie somewhere in the cockpit and pieces of stuff to repeat next stop ...
4 "They were in the seat, fasten seat belts in hełmofonach." You know what it is helmofon? such gadgets they use in the fighter pilots of passenger aircraft pilots in May on his head, only headphones with microphone
5th "So if the pilots were conscious they could jump out to prevent the spread of fire" please car accelerates to 250km / h, eat off the road and hit a tree, ground, wall or other obstacle stood vertical, with little that had not kept consciousness, you will be blown to 2 bits, or did this car with utrze crush you to a purée, seriously think before you put something like this ...

good advice: if you are such brave, editorial site, or are people writing comments here, then offer up the prosecution's official denunciation of the suspected offense was motivated by this and you have proof in digital format, and someone murdered survivors from the crash in Smolensk, the prosecutor is obliged to check your report, so you can fairly and analysis of the film for free

Note: do not assume responsibility for the embarrassing fall on donoszacego how it turns out when the film is crafted for the purpose of propaganda cartoon ...
15th Wrath of God 20.04.2010 10:07:

oh sorry, to a part that has survived the disaster in one piece joins 2 engines side, because 3 is not seen on any movie, and should be mounted between the tail and rear section of the hull in this place where you think the glass should be in the cockpit: )
16th Jac 20.04.2010 10:24:

How can you call the article "Andrei Mendierej - amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead" since there is no confirmation, nor has proof of the source! WM heed this manipulation, you can write, that is probably not alive, how can such a lie!

From the Editor:
We gave a question mark. This article was Posted at us and "Free Media" asked the Forum members Smolensk, asking for verification of information about the author of film and its fate. If you get a response, we will notify you about it.
17th realist 20.04.2010 10:57:

and he who has the right to decide whether something is junk or not? Maurice (thanks for the movie, play with the stability and see what it will) lead free media and publish what it considers right. you do not want, do not read. the portal is a one hundred other publications, some of which will certainly not junk. I agree, however, that the greatest numbers of supporters of different theories have some weird allergic to knowledge. upcycle is in connection with the chemtrailsami or landing on the moon. This makes it difficult to substantive discussions, but he say whether the laugh is that they lack the knowledge to mobilize them to get it? experience shows that the rare and with a modest effect. is also the fact that, having packed banya "coherent" knowledge can ignore the things that someone else conspicuous deceive or give something to the puzzle of seemingly pasującemu, podsuniętemu by someone credible and stretch out on verification (no example to prove that I really there is a sense of searching for the Higgs boson!). why not give head, that the plane had fallen so myself, and I will not mind that another fell to the pentagon ... what is true of theories as to the salt, you can even overdose death, but it improves the taste of a pinch. is not it?
free media are called as Maurice called them, and are free on your meaning of this word also remains an open question. Freedom is freedom, and Maurice for driving a free media. I wonder if you have any objections to the "law and justice" ... .. . ;-)
18th Maurice Hawranek 20.04.2010 10:59:

"That's why I put the information that comes from the Internet, and whose veracity can not fix myself, but I think that more editors are able to confirm whether a man of that name was in the vicinity of Smolensk, and talked with family about what he saw, and other facts. If this is a false trail might be able to inquire whether the local residents have heard something about this filmiku and its author. "- So says the author.

WM publish articles sent to the WM. We do not have the possibility to verify whether they contain the truth. The title is added a question mark, and at the top of the message, with which you should also be consulted before you start to blame someone, "We are looking for the inhabitants of Minsk and Smolensk, who can help determine whether Andrei Mendierej is actually started by an amateur film of Smolensk and or was murdered, as reported by Internet users. "While we added a question mark some time ago, because the lyrics are sometimes modified and revised to remove inconsistencies and understatement, it had to read the message.
19th realist 20.04.2010 11:00:

PS. I, Maurice, perhaps enough time to write, as it usually hast, editorial comment, that the various portals provide such information, but you could not be reached for confirmation. is that it does not epatować sensation when you do not know anything really ... .. .
20th Maurice Hawranek 20.04.2010 11:50:

To verify this information, we've Smolensk in the Forum announcement:
[link to forum.smolensk.ws] #
21st Polish patriot, 20/04/2010 13:42:

Why Vladimir Putin has not met on the spot
accident only Jaroslaw Kaczynski Tusk only. After that, it seems strange that before the fact
travel a few people reborn president to travel to Katyn. Secondly, in times when terrorism
is encountered at every step, since it puts all of the presidential entourage to one plane?
Putin przytulający August to Tusk ... KGB ... Russia can not be trusted even in such moments.
For me it is a coup .... uknuta is intricately intrigue .... One might also ask why the whole
the event was played on the territory of Russia on the occasion of Katyn ... ... puzzling is why
Putin suddenly interrogation led to the crash?

Putin Tusk do some theater on the scene ... ..

Tusk as usual nods and control of the situation and the age-old friend of the Poles Putinok
"Poles will cover the cost of your stay." Tusk and hugs ... ... pathetic spectacle, directed by pathetic ... ..

Our new chief Komorowski also played a scene in nature, which included many lofty language and are not
match the body language that will be an icon of bad acting.

In any case, these three gentlemen are the only ones who could benefit from this tragedy. In the environment, politically and militarily prevail long been concern about the immediate presence of the Polish on the map with possible future action by Messrs T and K, who now make a great campaign. For a campaign that paid a lot, but they do not. Have paid and will pay the Poles and the families and friends of the victims. Russia also has this goal. Got rid of the worst enemy and, finally, can crush Georgia. Nobody will have the courage to push the declassified documents concerning the Katyn genocide. On the contrary, the masters of Donald and Bronek Władi you can make more of those 2010.

And this pretense of Polish-Russian friendship is there to confuse the minds Polaczkom.
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WE HAVE GOT TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verify people, verify.


The video shows more then one survivor. The fact remains ammo cooked off and now those survivors did not survive.

Nor did the camera man.



It was staged...I saw better acting at a kids 4th grade play...



Ok the fact remains that the survivors nor the camera man survived. So your point of view is very posibly and makes this even scarier.

If it was staged.. By who. Iran? to provoke ww3?
israel? russia? the US? korea?

this video is literally a smoking gun that left NO surviors.
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That's what I'm saying...the camera man was probably double crossed.

And if there were spooks on the ground don't you think they would of secured the area around the crash area to make sure no dumb ole camera guys walking in the woods would see what they were doing?

This stinks bad..
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.
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Most bodies in a planecrash liquidfy upon contact..that`s right ya turn to liquid..anything above a G$ or G5 impact I believe...No bodies would be found...maybe some teeth and a few scattered bones
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Crappy page translation:

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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.


when you have the below you do.

"Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov) to head a commission to ‘investigate’ the crash"
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one question no one will answer..... WHY did the TWO OBVIOUS survivors from this video not surive after gunshots??
(reguardless if they went off in the magizine or chamber.)


Such a terrible crash it got the videographer stabbed 6 times...

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