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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

 
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Very insane indeed.... I wonder what will come of this!
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Sorry... What "Obvious Survivors"?

I saw people walking, standing, jumping (maybe) from the plane.

The guy with the camera was not necessarily the FIRST person to arrive.

Not doubting the crash was planned/set up, that could easily be truth, just doubt this story, it's too shit stirry with no proof (honest translation anyone?)



the one in the video posted that is zoomed in on and circled in red, wearing white clothing who raises his arm
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starts at about 1:11
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Very insane indeed.... I wonder what will come of this!
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Couple more pinned threads, then swept under the rug when the next big DOOM momment hits. Just like everything else.
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.


when you have the below you do.

"Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov) to head a commission to ‘investigate’ the crash"


oke but that is russian side, what about the polish side, would they just roll over and believe ? not launching a investigation on their own ?


not when russia or someone removed ALL opposition to their control.
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possible but doubtful, i had the impression polish people where anti russian.
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makes sense.

Yet its also possible that russia could do such as that theory could sway opinions .

I agree it not right for him to not have had his camera or person removed from the scene, Yet I see on the film where he seemed to be one of the first on the scene and the possiblity of him getting away remains slim yet possible.

Add to the fact he was stabbed 3 times survived even that... to be stabbed 3 more times...

NO survivors when russia takes a chance to
remove all oposition to russia control against the american missle shield...

That makes sense as well wouldnt you agree.


You do not know Russia. They do not mess around with expendables. If it was indeed Russian S.S. the guy would be killed right there at the spot where he filmed it. Not additionally 2 weeks later. If he was truly stabbed to death in a manner which does not resemble a hit which indeed was a work of a hitman.(Hitmen never kill obviously but make it look like accidents or street fights.) So if he was really killed then it again served well the shady ones responsible for the crash. Because again the blame would fall on Russia and not on them. Each time something big happens.. ask yourself who profits from it the most and you will have the culprit. My bet is IMF.
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Take your KGB disinformation and stick it up your fat Russian ass.
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.


when you have the below you do.

"Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Shalomov) to head a commission to ‘investigate’ the crash"


oke but that is russian side, what about the polish side, would they just roll over and believe ? not launching a investigation on their own ?


not when russia or someone removed ALL opposition to their control.


possible but doubtful, i had the impression polish people where anti russian.
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the polish people might be yet the ones who were with them were all suddenly removed leaving those with russia to let russia investigate the crash
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It was not an accident.

And it may well be a foreign operation to put the blame on Russia.

The only thing that goes against this theory is the fact that the Polish president was pro US.
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I am also considering it to be a foreign operation devised to get rid of Poland's leadership and frame Russia in one hit.
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hiding



HOLY SHIT!
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It was not an accident.

And it may well be a foreign operation to put the blame on Russia.

The only thing that goes against this theory is the fact that the Polish president was pro US.


I am also considering it to be a foreign operation devised to get rid of Poland's leadership and frame Russia in one hit.
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very possible. If so Putin has control of the evidence.

not good either
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second.


still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke.



Most bodies in a planecrash liquidfy upon contact..that`s right ya turn to liquid..anything above a G$ or G5 impact I believe...No bodies would be found...maybe some teeth and a few scattered bones
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They were landing so many have survived other landing crashes. It looks like in the film the plane was still somewhat intact. Someone could of survived.
They gun men also could of been killing any witnesses to the crash. I just know that in the video any person that shoots or hunts could tell by the sound they were gun shots and they hit there target.
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Wouldn't surprise me to hear in the MSM soonish, that this was done by terrorists from Chechnya that are in league with Osama Bin Laden (unless they come up with something new, as it gets old by time)
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One of the articles is removed - Wolnemedia.
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It was not an accident.

And it may well be a foreign operation to put the blame on Russia.

The only thing that goes against this theory is the fact that the Polish president was pro US.


I am also considering it to be a foreign operation devised to get rid of Poland's leadership and frame Russia in one hit.
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Fuck you, KGB man. You do the framing, and you're doing it now. The world is waking up and looking for streetlights good, high, and sturdy enough to hang four communists at a time.
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Very insane indeed.... I wonder what will come of this!

Couple more pinned threads, then swept under the rug when the next big DOOM momment hits. Just like everything else.
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Amen.

Even when real DOOM is on GLP nothing in the real world actually comes of it.

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Decapitation by Mishap


by J. R. Nyquist
4.16.2010

Imagine a country's commander-in-chief killed in a plane crash. Add to this generals, party leaders and advisors killed in the same crash. This is what befell the Polish Republic last Saturday. An ostensibly anti-Communist formation, painstakingly built in the face of Soviet and post-Soviet pressure, suffered a crippling blow. Polish conservatives and patriots, including President Lech Kaczynski, were killed en route to a ceremony marking the 70th anniversary of the Soviet massacre of more than 21,000 Polish military officers near a town located between Minsk and Moscow.

It is horrifying that an event marking Stalin's decapitation of Poland in 1940, is now associated with yet another decapitation. How much Poland has suffered! And could this event have happened anywhere, but in Russia? At such a moment it is essential for Russia's leaders to show sympathy for Polish national feeling. Writing on a Ukrainian Web site the other day, former KGB Lt. Col. Viktor Kalashnikov wrote, "Europe becomes a place where everything is possible."

The story has circulated that the FSB (KGB) descended upon the crash site, if only to recover the cell phones and computer hard-drives of the dead Polish leaders; but also, it is said, to learn the reasons for the crash; and heading up the crash investigation is none other than Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, eminently qualified to investigate, and to assure -- as with the Kursk tragedy in 2000 -- an official outburst of heartfelt sympathy. It is an opportunity, after all, to form a new and stronger bond between Poland and Russia. Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski spoke Monday about "an emotional breakthrough" in Russian-Polish relations. "I must emphasize," he explained, "that the Russian side is behaving with extraordinary openness, with a Slavic openness and kindness."

It is said that the Polish Foreign Ministry was approached by a Russian airport official who said, "We are all guilty with regard to what happened. We should have closed that airport due to the weather, but it would have been perceived as an affront, and we were afraid."

So you see, the crash was caused by a misunderstanding between Russians and Poles. The Russians had slaughtered 21,000 Poles, as the history books now admit, and any attempt to close the Smolensk airport would have been perceived as a Soviet-style attempt to interfere with the commemoration which, in the words of one anti-Soviet activist, "would have been a political blow to Russia worse than a nuclear blast in Moscow." But you see how unprofitable it is to hold a grudge for 70 years, and what it costs -- even in the present. As the Gazeta Wyborcza put it, "If our two countries cannot forgive each other at such a moment, will they ever forgive each other?"

But then, I am forgetting why Poland should want Russia's forgiveness. And why would a Polish publication -- or any publication outside Russia -- suggest that Russia has something to forgive on the side of Poland? There is something in the mutual forgiveness remark that craves wary watching. But who can resist the television images of Vladimir Putin putting his arms around the Polish prime minister in a magnificent display of sympathy? These are played over and over again by the Polish media. It is all so unexpected, one has to be grateful. Decent behavior from an old enemy, or an old oppressor, is a powerful elixir. On some level, everyone wants peace and reconciliation.

On Sunday I spoke with Polish journalist Tomasz Pompowski, who was quite dispirited. "I personally knew some of those people [on the crashed plane], like the [army] chief of staff. On this same plane, with the president of Poland, was Anna Walentynowicz, who was fired by the director of the Gdansk shipyard, one of the reasons the workers started to strike [in 1980]. She was a religious person. When the director of the Gdansk shipyards was opposing raises for the workers, and the workers broke into his office and threatened him, and started to pick up stones, she told them to set down the stones and leave the office peacefully, and give him a chance to fulfill his promise. The workers listened to her, and of course they gave this director three days. And what happened when the workers left him? He fired Walentynowicz from the shipyard. This was when the strikes of 1980 started, and this is when Lech Walesa came into it. He was the nominal leader, but she was the moral leader, the moral strength of the workers. I met her two weeks ago, and I heard her saying that when the Communists became capitalists, only President Kaczynski gave them support."

President Kaczynski, of course, is yet criticized in the press as a "Russophobe." But in reality President Kaczynski was not sufficiently fearful -- otherwise he would still be alive. After all, Kaczynski was anti-Communist, which is hardly a safe occupation for an East European politician. This was underscored in 1984 by KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn who wrote that a leader "who is involved in furthering an effective counterstrategy against the communists should not visit communist countries or take part in any summit meetings with their leaders." He warned that such visits were opportunities for assassination.

Of course, the Soviet Union and its Communist Party no longer exists. Right?


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We need some juicy info to get on WikiLeaks now.
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.
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no you have to take down a plane where its easy to manipulate media reports and investigations.And in Russia its the easiest thing to do.Putin was a KGB Agent and now he is someone big in the russian mafia.he controls everything right now.
Think about the guy who filmed.If they realised that he was filming, why kill em?? Later people like you doubt it because he wasn't shot.So maybe if ,like you say the russian secret service is smart they knew why they let him go.

If you sit in you garden in this russian province, where not many people live and you see a big plane coming down and crashes...the first thing I would do is grab my cell phone and rush there to film the scene.
You clearly can see in the vie that he was scared, you see it when you watch his movement.
And the old fart looks at him the way"boy, you will die for this!"

This video feels real, it is real!
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LOL at the post on a foreign site. How about an actually source? Fuck I could have gotten on GLP and posted the same shit. "The author is dead, believe me cause I posted it."
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The video is too obvious...

and if you want to get more obvious then STAB THE HELL OF THE GUY WHO FILMED YOU KILL EVERY BODY EVEN THOUGH ITS ALL OVER THE WEB


I think its end game people they want us to know what they're doing. They want war...
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But who is "They"?

Wouldn't bullets in the bodies be detected in Poland when they were returned to Poland? It should be obvious to the Poles what happened, but not necessarily who did it.
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WTF is going on?!?


destabilization. period.
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That's what it is/
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LOL at the post on a foreign site. How about an actually source? Fuck I could have gotten on GLP and posted the same shit. "The author is dead, believe me cause I posted it."
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correct. thats why people get away with shit.

because even with evidence in video of a actual airplanecrash verified by cross refrencing the crash debris from the dead cameramans daylight shots and japans report from nighttime people can still keep their heads up their ass and ignore facts that do not suit them.

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The video is too obvious...

and if you want to get more obvious then STAB THE HELL OF THE GUY WHO FILMED YOU KILL EVERY BODY EVEN THOUGH ITS ALL OVER THE WEB


I think its end game people they want us to know what they're doing. They want war...



But who is "They"?

Wouldn't bullets in the bodies be detected in Poland when they were returned to Poland? It should be obvious to the Poles what happened, but not necessarily who did it.
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when the puppets left who sided with russia before this crash are reviewing the evidence of their oppositions death while now holding all control... ya their going to say something lol.
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Anyone still having doubt THAT THE RUSSIANS KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT?
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I always doubt everything.

One of the things I doubt is that the Ruskies could be so monumentally stupid.

If you do... I mean... go eat some grass... because you are literally a sheeple...
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Exquisite debating skilz, dude.
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Very insane indeed.... I wonder what will come of this!
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Nothing cuz its just coincidence.....now move along citizen....

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WTF is going on?!?


destabilization. period.


That's what it is/
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The term destabilization as it applies to the KGB prescription for the destruction of a country by military means? In this case I tend to view it more as an act of opportunism resulting in the elimination of the anti-communist vanguard of one of Russia's buffer states. I also believe, as jeff Nyquist explained in a very recent interview, that the assassination send a signal to communist cadres worldwide that a more aggressive phase of the Shelepin Plan is now underway.
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Anyone still having doubt THAT THE RUSSIANS KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT?

I always doubt everything.

One of the things I doubt is that the Ruskies could be so monumentally stupid.


If you do... I mean... go eat some grass... because you are literally a sheeple...

Exquisite debating skilz, dude.
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I agree I don't see the benefit to Russia if it was taken down and not an actual accident (those do happen from time to time)

If it was done by someone on the outside i am looking for motivation. IMF pissed the polish leadership not playing ball with their global banking regime? israel trying to start trouble for russia because they are backing iran?
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Anyone still having doubt THAT THE RUSSIANS KILLED THE POLISH GOVERNMENT?

I always doubt everything.

One of the things I doubt is that the Ruskies could be so monumentally stupid.


If you do... I mean... go eat some grass... because you are literally a sheeple...

Exquisite debating skilz, dude.
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I agree I don't see the benefit to Russia if it was taken down and not an actual accident (those do happen from time to time)

If it was done by someone on the outside i am looking for motivation. IMF pissed the polish leadership not playing ball with their global banking regime? israel trying to start trouble for russia because they are backing iran?
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SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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Another BS bsflag
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