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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

 
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is there a version of this video with better resolution somewhere? Maybe the original video file without the crappy youtube compression applied to it?
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace



You are a communist collaborator at the very least, but I think the truth is probably worse than that. You deserve the fate of a traitor.

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You're the traitor. Spin spin spin is what you do.
WE all know how much you hate Russia and you're probably masturbating over this whole thing. It looks more like a false flag operation to blame Russia. Who would do that? Hmmmmmm? Who hates Russia as much as you? The Tribe?
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Another BS bsflag
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Your from poland it shows so Ill ask.

What is bullshit?

the man alive in the video?

the gunshots hitting flesh?

the people falling after the gunshots?

the planecrash?
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Of course this all could be a load of poo; the video could be fake and the report of the guy who made it being killed could be fake... but if its real it does sound very 'Russian.'

Russia has been looking for a way to provoke NATO for years now; it poked and prodded over Georgia, just itching for NATO to get involved, but we didn't. The Russians are more powerful, relative to NATO, than they have ever been. Their intrusions into UK air space are becoming ever more frequent and they are flexing their muscle more often in Asia too. Then there is the whole Arctic thing.

I would say that this is not some NWO type conspiracy. Simply Russia has been playing the big, long-term game here ever since the 'end' of the Cold War. NATO has disarmed itself, getting rid of its ability to fight a large-scale European conventional war in favour of 'low-intensity' expeditionary conflicts like Afghanistan. I say that Russia has never lost it's ambitions on Europe and now it is trying to engineer a situation in which NATO (or maybe just a NATO member with a deep seated hatred of Russia ie. Poland) takes action against it - giving Russia the 'justification' it needs to make a move into Europe again.

Just look at the balance of power in terms of conventional forces in Europe now; tanks, artillery, infantry and combat aicraft. If Russia made a move now it could be at the Rhine by the end of the month.
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Yep I think Russians put this out there for the world to see.. To say FUCK YOU. What you going to do about it.. Nothing will happen except a few elite getting poisoned etc..
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Of course this all could be a load of poo; the video could be fake and the report of the guy who made it being killed could be fake... but if its real it does sound very 'Russian.'

Russia has been looking for a way to provoke NATO for years now; it poked and prodded over Georgia, just itching for NATO to get involved, but we didn't. The Russians are more powerful, relative to NATO, than they have ever been. Their intrusions into UK air space are becoming ever more frequent and they are flexing their muscle more often in Asia too. Then there is the whole Arctic thing.

I would say that this is not some NWO type conspiracy. Simply Russia has been playing the big, long-term game here ever since the 'end' of the Cold War. NATO has disarmed itself, getting rid of its ability to fight a large-scale European conventional war in favour of 'low-intensity' expeditionary conflicts like Afghanistan. I say that Russia has never lost it's ambitions on Europe and now it is trying to engineer a situation in which NATO (or maybe just a NATO member with a deep seated hatred of Russia ie. Poland) takes action against it - giving Russia the 'justification' it needs to make a move into Europe again.

Just look at the balance of power in terms of conventional forces in Europe now; tanks, artillery, infantry and combat aicraft. If Russia made a move now it could be at the Rhine by the end of the month.
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Basically Russia did this and wants the Polish people to suspect them... thats why it wasn't very slick.
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Another BS bsflag



Your from poland it shows so Ill ask.

What is bullshit?

the man alive in the video?

the gunshots hitting flesh?

the people falling after the gunshots?

the planecrash?
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he is a russian agent behind a polish proxy.
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Another BS bsflag



Your from poland it shows so Ill ask.

What is bullshit?

the man alive in the video?

the gunshots hitting flesh?

the people falling after the gunshots?

the planecrash?


he is a russian agent behind a polish proxy.
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quite possible.

reguardless these videos have gone viral. The cameraman may have been murdered but his death wasnt in vain.

The video shows at least one person was alive before the gunshots........


FACT.
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WTF would they do that AFTER the video has been leaked? The video itself wasn`t a proof, but now the murder is.
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.


makes sense.

Yet its also possible that russia could do such as that theory could sway opinions .

I agree it not right for him to not have had his camera or person removed from the scene, Yet I see on the film where he seemed to be one of the first on the scene and the possiblity of him getting away remains slim yet possible.

Add to the fact he was stabbed 3 times survived even that... to be stabbed 3 more times...

NO survivors when russia takes a chance to
remove all oposition to russia control against the american missle shield...

That makes sense as well wouldnt you agree.
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It would make sense to let the film of assasinations go public, if you were running a false flag. Then killing the
camera man and botching it with a knife instead of a gun. And it happens on the anniversary of Russia killing a lot of Poles in WWII? Russia would never be that stupid.
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Yep I think Russians put this out there for the world to see.. To say FUCK YOU. What you going to do about it.. Nothing will happen except a few elite getting poisoned etc..
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Agree. That bastard Putin simply doesn't care of reactions; he says "go" and a plutonium tea is served, or a plane comes down.
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this article was scrubbed from this website which now shows the article has been removed

[link to wolnemedia.net]

Adrie Mendierej - amateur filmmaker from Smolensk is dead


The first movie was recorded by the Russian disaster, in which voices are heard in Polish, if it is authentic, it is crucial evidence. It is hard to believe that it was so realistically assembled, then it would also probably many of its online version, and there is one. There are clearly voices in Polish and immediately after the shots. Another thing - the cockpit was saved, and strangely enough it was the bodies of pilots can not be found. They were in the seat, fasten seat belts, in hełmofonach. The fire started after a disaster, so if the pilots were conscious they could jump out to prevent the spread of fire. They could die, but that their bodies had the best chance to escape in their entirety. Does the idea is to hide the real cause of their death?

Assuming the authenticity of the author filmiku risked mortal danger as a witness. So I put the information that comes from the Internet, and whose veracity can not fix myself, but I think that more editors are able to confirm whether a man of that name was in the vicinity of Smolensk, and talked with family about what he saw, and other facts. If this is a false trail might be able to inquire whether the local residents have heard something about this filmiku and its author. Here is the info:

"The person who threw this movie the first was quickly removed and his account was deleted too! The author of this movie was Adrie Mendierej, who dug the knife in the vicinity of Kiev, April 15, 2010. It has been brought in an awful state to a hospital in Kiev, where he disconnected the apparatus! "

I know that the Polish prosecutor's office will examine this movie. But in the past, many investigations had remitted, were at stake when possible objections to the well known politician and businessman. Still less could be the case when the game would fall international affairs. Therefore I have reason to believe that the prosecution will undermine the credibility of the material - even if it is true. Such matters should investigate and disclose to the media. Is the television and radio stations do not have specialized equipment to check the reliability of the material and the prominence of votes going there?

The fact that everything conspires against the presidential airplane (suddenly very bad weather, incorrect indications of the altimeters, not acting TAWS, poor co-operation with the tower) is already making serious doubts. For the entry on my blog I've added a lot of interesting new information and hypotheses about the likely (intentional or unintentional), blame the Russians. And if you bear at least part of the blame (even unintentional) is that disclosure would be a huge blow to the image of Russia - which is why it can not be ruled out attempts to hide such fact.

We publish a letter received from a specialist that developed the three-dimensional navigation systems, which sheds new light on the possible causes of an aviation disaster in Smolensk. Here are the contents of this letter:

"I am a lecturer at the University of Hambuskiej and the employee responsible for the so-called. advanced research and development of Concern HarmanBecker Automotive Systems. I developed and co-created three-dimensional navigation systems, and therefore difficult for me to imagine how TAWS system that was installed in the airplane of the President, may fail if he does not "help."

Analysis of the photos taken by Sergei Amelin: [link to picasaweb.google.ru] # 5459881356386012002, namely photo No. 45 shows that the plane flies as it should: Valid and direction, and the resulting analysis of the damage on the front tips of the trees, the slope of horizontal machines Approach landing. The difference lies in the transfer phase:
In the XY plane about 15 m from the correct course in the plane with about-5m (the machine is too low).

One of the images Sergei Amielina number 45, the analyzing plane crash prezydenckiegoAby to cheat, use on-board navigation technique called "meaconing" Recording and rebroadcast on the Receive Frequency Positioning confuse it.
It consists in that the satellite signal is recorded and a small shift in time and with greater effect than the satellite signal in the ether, aired on the same frequency, which gives the satellite. The smaller the time interval used meaconingu, the harder it is to recognize it, and the result is erroneous to define their own position.

If a change in position is small (and this was the case with this flight), even an intelligent type of receiver: Receiver-Autonomous-Integrity-monitoring is not able to recognize the swindle.

For those interested: electronic warfare technology in sytemach gps is well described in the book in December 2009:
"Satellitennavigation" by Hans Dodel, Dieter Häuptler


Chapter describes the techniques cited below (in the German original).

7.3.5 Jamming, Spoofing, Meaconing

Others Funktionsstrung Tritt auf zwei Erscheinungsformen Die Eigenstörung und die Fremdstörung. Das System Stort Empfänger seine eigenen August werden oder von einem absichtlich gestört Jammer, der ein Signal auf der Frequenz des Navigationssignals hinreichender mit Leistung (> -160 dBW, die eines Sendeleistung Glühwürmchens in der Brunftzeit) richtet, sodass übertönt wird der Empfang (unmöglich gemacht wird). In einem nach dem Stand der Technik ausgelegten Empfänger nach dem Konzept der integrierten Navigation Dessena durch die Leistung eines Abwesenheit Einzelortungswertes unwesentlich beeinträchtit ist, bleibt das einer Jamming Satellitenfrequenz ohne Konsequenz merkliche. Vergleichweise schwerwiegende kann die Folgen des Täuschung Empfängers gefälschten Signal mit einem haben, you sdie Fehlortung zu Folge hat. Hierzu spoofer der muss aber die genaue Signalstruktur und insbesondere die des Bitfolge Funkortungssignals präzise emulieren und einen im akkreditierten Satellitenkennungscode System (PRN) produzieren eines Satelliten, der an dieser Stelle glaubhaft der fliegt Hemisphere.

Vergleichsweise trivial ist Meaconing (Recording and rebroadcast on the Receive Frequency is confuse Positioning: Das Signal wird vom Storer einfach aufgenommen und wieder mit geringe Zeitverzug ausgesandt), die unter Verwendung einer Täuschung Copies des Originalsignals. Satellitensignal das aufgenommen und wird mit Zeitversetzt höherer Leistung auf der Frequenz wieder abgesetzt Gleichen. Je kleiner der dieses Zeitversatz Meaconing, desto schwieriger ist es, selbst für den intelligenten Empfänger (Receiver-Autonomous-Integrity-monitoring-Empfänger) Schwindel den zu erkennen. Fehlortung Die ist die Folge.

See also: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Successful meaconing can cause: Aircraft to be lured into "hot" (ambush-ready), landing zones or enemy Airspace, ships to be diverted from Their Intended routes, bombers to expend ordnance on false targets, or ground stations to receive inaccurate bearings or position locations.

Translation: Effective meaconing may bring the plane in a "hot" (prepared an ambush), or landing zone in the airspace of enemy ships can be directed in other directions than the intended, the bombers on the other false targets, and ground stations to receive adequate direction or indication of geographical coordinates .

TAWS is the accuracy of the order of 1 meter. You can not break up with him.
Technical information describes the example page:
[link to www.moving-terrain.de]

Sincerely,
Mark Strassenburg Kleciak "

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New info

Russian police officers and military disaster in Smolensk exchanged headlamps and light bulbs in lamps, screw on the belt guiding the airport.

Polish source: [link to wolnemedia.net]
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WTF would they do that AFTER the video has been leaked? The video itself wasn`t a proof, but now the murder is.
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maybe he had MORE evidence. ?
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this is a thread talking about gunshot heard on the crash site,
Thread: *****GUNSHOTS HEARD AT POLISH PLANE CRASH SITE!******

inside theres a link to the youtube video which have been removed,but i have downloaded the video,

[link to www.youtube.com]

WAKE THIS STORY TO EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER NOW!!!
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Russian police officers and military disaster in Smolensk exchanged headlamps and light bulbs in lamps, screw on the belt guiding the airport.

Polish source: [link to wolnemedia.net]
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wow
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this is a thread talking about gunshot heard on the crash site,
Thread: *****GUNSHOTS HEARD AT POLISH PLANE CRASH SITE!******

inside theres a link to the youtube video which have been removed,but i have downloaded the video,

[link to www.youtube.com]

WAKE THIS STORY TO EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER NOW!!!
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Removed already... that was quick
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Yep, they are trying to take it all down now.
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OS OT POSSIBLE THAT ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT PEOPLES DEATHS HAVE BEEN FAKED AND THEY ARE NOW PART OF THE ELITE GROUP THAT HAVE WENT INTO THEIR 2012 BUNKERS? JUST A THOUGHT
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OS OT POSSIBLE THAT ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT PEOPLES DEATHS HAVE BEEN FAKED AND THEY ARE NOW PART OF THE ELITE GROUP THAT HAVE WENT INTO THEIR 2012 BUNKERS? JUST A THOUGHT
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Maybe, but more betrayal and death = more bunker space for those who don't get killed.
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.



no you have to take down a plane where its easy to manipulate media reports and investigations.And in Russia its the easiest thing to do.Putin was a KGB Agent and now he is someone big in the russian mafia.he controls everything right now.
Think about the guy who filmed.If they realised that he was filming, why kill em?? Later people like you doubt it because he wasn't shot.So maybe if ,like you say the russian secret service is smart they knew why they let him go.

If you sit in you garden in this russian province, where not many people live and you see a big plane coming down and crashes...the first thing I would do is grab my cell phone and rush there to film the scene.
You clearly can see in the vie that he was scared, you see it when you watch his movement.
And the old fart looks at him the way"boy, you will die for this!"

This video feels real, it is real!
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Putin is a popular figurehead with no real power. There are much more darker powers lurking and holding Russia in confinement. If it was a carefully planned operation by Russian secret service.. the whole area would be secured beforehand so nobody could get close to it. But there you go.. it wasn't secured beforehand. People could get close to the wreck without any problem. Evenso, why would they let him walk away and live? They knew there are people gathering like they always do when there is a tragic scene. If it was really that big like you propose it to be.. those gathering people would be finished off and officially declared as dead due to secondary explosions or whatever. This "Russia did it" nonsense.. It really makes no sense. My point is, if it were what you propose it to be.. we would not know the little we think we know. Russian secret service makes no mistakes.

Moreso.. where was it proven that those shots were shots killing any survivors? IF there were people gathering around - around a crashed governmental plane and soldiers were securing the area.. it is only natural they would be shooting in the air to shoo away those gathering civilians who would be possibly stealing parts of the plane or luggage. I see you have no idea where Smolensk is. OF course he was scared. Wouldn't you? If a plane crashed near your village.. wouldn't you be scared? Not to mention that scenes of plane crashes are littered with body parts and gore everywhere. Yet we see none in the short clip on a side-note. Or wouldn't you be scared if soldiers would be shooing away passersby by gunfire?

I am repeating myself.. - possible foreign involvement + framing Russia in the process. Nothing leads to Russian involvement. They surely are not that stupid in Kremlin to take down a foreign governmental plane on their own soil and let the world blame them for it. You just do not walk around shitting in your own nest now do you? It more seems that someone/some hidden power deliberately wanted/planned the plane to go down above Russia so they would be blamed for it. Russia would get no profit for shooting down foreign governmental planes in their skies. But someone who would like the governmental passengers dead and Russia framed would sure do profit from it a lot. It is just common sense.
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how long before GLP hit with DDoS to take down the pinned threads?

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[link to wolnemedia.net]
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!
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Russia was being kind by only taking out the government people. They had threatened to nuke poland over the US missile shield.

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Its 9/11 all over again, we are living in HELL !!!
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I've tried to warn you all for six fucking years. SIX FUCKING YEARSTHAT YOU'VE SHIT AWAY TALKING ABOUT UFO'S JEWS, MASONS, BILDERGERGERS, ILLUMINATI, LIZARD MEN, ZETAS, ALIENS, AND EVERY GODDAM MORONIC THING THE FUCKING KGB WANTED YOU TO FRY YOUR FUCKING TINY LITTLE BRAINS ON.

Now, get your shit together and learn the goddam truth. It all starts with the fucking link in my fucking signature.

YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH FUCKING TIME
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