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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

 
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Today is Hitlers b-day!... Happy b-day Addy!

Yeah,... I can see it all now. Iceland volcano was used to keep Europe on the ground, and that includes their military defenses. Russia and Iran are going grab the spotlight once and for all... Say goodbye to world democracy!
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this is a thread talking about gunshot heard on the crash site,
Thread: *****GUNSHOTS HEARD AT POLISH PLANE CRASH SITE!******

inside theres a link to the youtube video which have been removed,but i have downloaded the video,

[link to www.youtube.com]

WAKE THIS STORY TO EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER NOW!!!

Removed already... that was quick
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still up save it and spread it : )

thou you can bet its already viral )


[link to www.youtube.com]

at around 1:11 it shows a man alive.
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.



no you have to take down a plane where its easy to manipulate media reports and investigations.And in Russia its the easiest thing to do.Putin was a KGB Agent and now he is someone big in the russian mafia.he controls everything right now.
Think about the guy who filmed.If they realised that he was filming, why kill em?? Later people like you doubt it because he wasn't shot.So maybe if ,like you say the russian secret service is smart they knew why they let him go.

If you sit in you garden in this russian province, where not many people live and you see a big plane coming down and crashes...the first thing I would do is grab my cell phone and rush there to film the scene.
You clearly can see in the vie that he was scared, you see it when you watch his movement.
And the old fart looks at him the way"boy, you will die for this!"

This video feels real, it is real!


Putin is a popular figurehead with no real power. There are much more darker powers lurking and holding Russia in confinement. If it was a carefully planned operation by Russian secret service.. the whole area would be secured beforehand so nobody could get close to it. But there you go.. it wasn't secured beforehand. People could get close to the wreck without any problem. Evenso, why would they let him walk away and live? They knew there are people gathering like they always do when there is a tragic scene. If it was really that big like you propose it to be.. those gathering people would be finished off and officially declared as dead due to secondary explosions or whatever. This "Russia did it" nonsense.. It really makes no sense. My point is, if it were what you propose it to be.. we would not know the little we think we know. Russian secret service makes no mistakes.

Moreso.. where was it proven that those shots were shots killing any survivors? IF there were people gathering around - around a crashed governmental plane and soldiers were securing the area.. it is only natural they would be shooting in the air to shoo away those gathering civilians who would be possibly stealing parts of the plane or luggage. I see you have no idea where Smolensk is. OF course he was scared. Wouldn't you? If a plane crashed near your village.. wouldn't you be scared? Not to mention that scenes of plane crashes are littered with body parts and gore everywhere. Yet we see none in the short clip on a side-note. Or wouldn't you be scared if soldiers would be shooing away passersby by gunfire?

I am repeating myself.. - possible foreign involvement + framing Russia in the process. Nothing leads to Russian involvement. They surely are not that stupid in Kremlin to take down a foreign governmental plane on their own soil and let the world blame them for it. You just do not walk around shitting in your own nest now do you? It more seems that someone/some hidden power deliberately wanted/planned the plane to go down above Russia so they would be blamed for it. Russia would get no profit for shooting down foreign governmental planes in their skies. But someone who would like the governmental passengers dead and Russia framed would sure do profit from it a lot. It is just common sense.
 Quoting: Y 948310

dont underestimate anyone.. anything is possible.. and the people who carried this out (if any) could have messed up.. look @ 9/11 they fucked up bad on that one cuz the whole damn planet almost knows whatsup... not saying this is a conspiracy but you never know- looks mighty fishy- and its MIGHTY fishy they would shoot stray bullets into the air just to "shoo off" civilians.. i thought they had nothing to hide? why shoo off civilians unless they are fuckin wit the wreckage? ..
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Well... I saw the video [before it was removed] and I saw the pictures from Avians thread that showed the exact parts from the video being loaded on trucks [before the pictures were removed from that site].
The video was real in my opinion. The fact that all of the evidence online is being removed leads me to really think something is up. If the guy who made this video wasn't murdered.. then he better be in deep hiding.
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also let me add- its MIIIIGHTTYY fishy that this guy was stabbed- on life support- unplugged then stabbed again.. thats a CRYSTAL CLEAR assassination and a destructive- non precise one.. so they were sure it Had to be done now..
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!
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LOL I'm Russian and you are Russian . get it.
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Well... I saw the video [before it was removed] and I saw the pictures from Avians thread that showed the exact parts from the video being loaded on trucks [before the pictures were removed from that site].
The video was real in my opinion. The fact that all of the evidence online is being removed leads me to really think something is up. If the guy who made this video wasn't murdered.. then he better be in deep hiding.
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Yep they are butchering Avians links too.

It's surreal.
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Well... I saw the video [before it was removed] and I saw the pictures from Avians thread that showed the exact parts from the video being loaded on trucks [before the pictures were removed from that site].
The video was real in my opinion. The fact that all of the evidence online is being removed leads me to really think something is up. If the guy who made this video wasn't murdered.. then he better be in deep hiding.


Yep they are butchering Avians links too.

It's surreal.
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Its going viral though.. ''they'' are trying to keep up..
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!
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The cynic in me agrees.
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What the fuck?

You gotta be kidding me?

I suppose it's no different here. Remember that Washington madam that wound up suicided and, coincidentally, had the box with all her files in stolen? Wasn't there a secret service guy that was also killed by a car? He had protected her at one time and was trying to get to her?

Is Barry working for Moscow? Is that why they're both so arrogant and so obvious in this? Are they both drunk on power because they have their commie plant in the White House?

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What the fuck?

You gotta be kidding me?

I suppose it's no different here. Remember that Washington madam that wound up suicided and, coincidentally, had the box with all her files in stolen? Wasn't there a secret service guy that was also killed by a car? He had protected her at one time and was trying to get to her?

Is Barry working for Moscow? Is that why they're both so arrogant and so obvious in this? Are they both drunk on power because they have their commie plant in the White House?

5a
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!
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OMFG mods ban this asshat please.

.....

ARe you seriously stating that the presidents still alive?

how about his wife>?
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for those who think russia would have no reason to do this nor be stupid enough ....


here is a brief history of russia

[link to www.localhistories.org]
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.



no you have to take down a plane where its easy to manipulate media reports and investigations.And in Russia its the easiest thing to do.Putin was a KGB Agent and now he is someone big in the russian mafia.he controls everything right now.
Think about the guy who filmed.If they realised that he was filming, why kill em?? Later people like you doubt it because he wasn't shot.So maybe if ,like you say the russian secret service is smart they knew why they let him go.

If you sit in you garden in this russian province, where not many people live and you see a big plane coming down and crashes...the first thing I would do is grab my cell phone and rush there to film the scene.
You clearly can see in the vie that he was scared, you see it when you watch his movement.
And the old fart looks at him the way"boy, you will die for this!"

This video feels real, it is real!


Putin is a popular figurehead with no real power. There are much more darker powers lurking and holding Russia in confinement. If it was a carefully planned operation by Russian secret service.. the whole area would be secured beforehand so nobody could get close to it. But there you go.. it wasn't secured beforehand. People could get close to the wreck without any problem. Evenso, why would they let him walk away and live? They knew there are people gathering like they always do when there is a tragic scene. If it was really that big like you propose it to be.. those gathering people would be finished off and officially declared as dead due to secondary explosions or whatever. This "Russia did it" nonsense.. It really makes no sense. My point is, if it were what you propose it to be.. we would not know the little we think we know. Russian secret service makes no mistakes.

Moreso.. where was it proven that those shots were shots killing any survivors? IF there were people gathering around - around a crashed governmental plane and soldiers were securing the area.. it is only natural they would be shooting in the air to shoo away those gathering civilians who would be possibly stealing parts of the plane or luggage. I see you have no idea where Smolensk is. OF course he was scared. Wouldn't you? If a plane crashed near your village.. wouldn't you be scared? Not to mention that scenes of plane crashes are littered with body parts and gore everywhere. Yet we see none in the short clip on a side-note. Or wouldn't you be scared if soldiers would be shooing away passersby by gunfire?

I am repeating myself.. - possible foreign involvement + framing Russia in the process. Nothing leads to Russian involvement. They surely are not that stupid in Kremlin to take down a foreign governmental plane on their own soil and let the world blame them for it. You just do not walk around shitting in your own nest now do you? It more seems that someone/some hidden power deliberately wanted/planned the plane to go down above Russia so they would be blamed for it. Russia would get no profit for shooting down foreign governmental planes in their skies. But someone who would like the governmental passengers dead and Russia framed would sure do profit from it a lot. It is just common sense.

dont underestimate anyone.. anything is possible.. and the people who carried this out (if any) could have messed up.. look @ 9/11 they fucked up bad on that one cuz the whole damn planet almost knows whatsup... not saying this is a conspiracy but you never know- looks mighty fishy- and its MIGHTY fishy they would shoot stray bullets into the air just to "shoo off" civilians.. i thought they had nothing to hide? why shoo off civilians unless they are fuckin wit the wreckage? ..
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Sigh.. I said it right there. Plane crash scenes are littered with body parts and gore.. that's why could they shoo them away by gunfire to prevent the defilement of those remains. And it wasn't just any other plane.. but it happened to be a plane of a Polish President.. and there would be looooots of valuable stuff to be scavenged or stolen.
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The guy that filmed was one of the killers. He shot the video as an insurance policy in case they later tried to knock off eveyone involved.
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!



OMFG mods ban this asshat please.

.....

ARe you seriously stating that the presidents still alive?

how about his wife>?
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I was writing about killing a wittnes who shot the video if you didn't get it.
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The video was a life insurance policy. It didn't work.
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for those who think russia would have no reason to do this nor be stupid enough ....


here is a brief history of russia

[link to www.localhistories.org]
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Russian Federation, Russian Empire or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? You can't just merge it all down and call it "Russia".
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So can anyone translate? What does it say I watched the video of the shooting and I believed it was gun shots and they did hit something you could tell by the sound. But what does your post say?

It says the dude who filmed the video of the plane crash was STABBED... then sent to hospital where he was STABBED AGAIN TO DEATH THIS TIME.

I mean, unless you have a fucking contract on your head, THE KILLERS WON'T COME AND KILL YOU IN THE FREAKING HOSPITAL.


Dosen't sound like a professional 'hit' to me.

Maybe a loony?

Yeah a loony come in the hospital to finish the job... NOT.
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DIPSHIT,you really think russia send them and then just stap him???

whatever
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Isn't the concentration of government/military officials a little too convenient? The crash site is very close to the Polish/Russian border. I propose the perpetrators staged the crash, rounded up the desired officials, transported them to the site and created a media event to support the loss of the Polish government.
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So can anyone translate? What does it say I watched the video of the shooting and I believed it was gun shots and they did hit something you could tell by the sound. But what does your post say?

It says the dude who filmed the video of the plane crash was STABBED... then sent to hospital where he was STABBED AGAIN TO DEATH THIS TIME.

I mean, unless you have a fucking contract on your head, THE KILLERS WON'T COME AND KILL YOU IN THE FREAKING HOSPITAL.


Dosen't sound like a professional 'hit' to me.

Maybe a loony?

Yeah a loony come in the hospital to finish the job... NOT.



DIPSHIT,you really think russia send them and then just stap him???

whatever
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nope i firmly believe the man had lensflare unplug his lifesupport and stab him 3 more times when the first three didnt do it lol
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Today is Hitlers b-day!... Happy b-day Addy!

Yeah,... I can see it all now. Iceland volcano was used to keep Europe on the ground, and that includes their military defenses. Russia and Iran are going grab the spotlight once and for all... Say goodbye to world democracy!
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Yes I AGREE..
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Isn't the concentration of government/military officials a little too convenient? The crash site is very close to the Polish/Russian border. I propose the perpetrators staged the crash, rounded up the desired officials, transported them to the site and created a media event to support the loss of the Polish government.
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wow now that is a thought. It could show why the filmmaker was able to get away.
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is this for real?

YES IT IS.
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and you know this how?
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Sadly, they are getting away with it!
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That Putin..he's a bad ass man. Don't mess with Putin.
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so le me get this striaght,this stroy is not true then?
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so le me get this striaght,this stroy is not true then?
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Correct.
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thats no just bad luck and those where clearly shots... its also a bit convinient that the plane with alllll political people crashed thats was my first thought, i dont know why those idiots think they can get away with this,

long live the internet and down with the ones that asasinated those people....
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Nobody was killed!!! It's a hoax!!!
You people are mostly from US, Canada, GB, Germany - so you just don't understand polish and russian language. Don't believe this crap!



OMFG mods ban this asshat please.

.....

ARe you seriously stating that the presidents still alive?

how about his wife>?


I was writing about killing a wittnes who shot the video if you didn't get it.
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