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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 746732  United States04/20/2010 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 912473 United States04/20/2010 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was just thinking, if a specialized group was going to do something of this magnitude, wouldn't they use FREAKIN' SILENCERS??!!! Again, just a thought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746732IF that were the original plan (to shoot them). According to the video translation someone says something about a "change of plan". Could be that all were expected to die in the plane crash, but when a few were seen beginning to stand or sit up, the order was given to go ahead and shoot them to make sure there were no survivors. A possible answer anyway. If the report is true about the camera guy being stabbed to death then he won't be showing up on Alex Jones or anywhere else. This video must be very, very irritating to someone. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948321  Germany04/20/2010 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9364931st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace.  you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash. If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here... No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella. The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia. +1 Yes, and the sheeple believe the lies, as usual. Even those who avoid msm and claim to be more educated. Russians are not THAT stupid. To me, this looks like a foreign secret service plot. A faction intending to point their fingers at Russia must have leaked this 'video'. Unfortunately, most peiople on this conspiracy forum fall for the wicked propaganda. As they did with Polikowskaya and Litvinienko. Both of them were probably killed by an Oligarch called Be(re)sowski. how would a foreign secret service get on to a russian military base? right after a crash and not be seen by any russian mil person...yeah ok How did the guy with the mobile or camera get there? Was he in the military? NO. Yeah ok. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 939168 United States04/20/2010 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second? Quoting: Y 9483101st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. +1 |
| LEGION, FOR THERE ARE MANY User ID: 832155 United States04/20/2010 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yet, if this video is really true, as it appears it may be...and if the author of this video was really murdered or suicided.........damn, I`m still speechless. Murdering presidents now and family............. The implications.................? .........it seems there will be some form of severe retaliation........matter in fact, it would be in order. My guess Caspian sea area...sabotage. IMHO. LEGION |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948109  New Zealand04/20/2010 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is absolutely out of control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904302I want OFF this PLANET NOW! You're not alone on this; those thoughts have crossed my mind recently .. +1 & to add, within the hour, courtesy of Skunk space ways I WILL be off the fucked upped planet. Just hope I don't pass an ICBM on the way. isle of man .what a lovely place to live. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948321 Germany04/20/2010 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9391681st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. +1 +1 |
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| RowdyRhodie User ID: 946793 United States04/20/2010 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A GRU termination would down a plane, kill the survivors and go after any witnesses, but the operation would be intentionally planned in a relatively empty area to minimise risk of collateral. They would have used silencers on .22 Makarovs to do the coup de grace. If a witness had escaped, they would have been tracked down and eliminated, but the witness would not have survived to have to be killed at the hospital. If he did, then the cleaners would go into the hospital dressed in a manner more appropriate to the setting specifically to prevent numerical operational identification..."three unidentified men"...no, they would have been orderlies or something of that nature who did not stick out. The GRU is smart. They're the oligarchic baby of the KGB. This operation on the other hand, uses enough of the tactics of the GRU to make it easy to point the finger there, however the elements which were omitted from the operational planning process were sufficient enough for a "secret operation" to be conducted in plain sight to the point where people like me can post their analyses on an open internet forum. A truly secret operation would never make it here. If it gets here, either the operation failed, or there was an internal leak...which also means operation failed. My best guess as to the qui bonum of this, who benefits, would be the Israelis. They want war with Iran. Russia backs Iran. US backs Israel. US trying to maintain post cold war relations with Russia. Israel stirs shitpot between US and Russia, Russia has to focus on and clean up the political fallout raining down on them in hopes of preventing a military conflict based on the modern "Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sofie." Israel continues to stir shit and sends out hordes of Mossad Sayanim on the interwebz such as here at GLP to continue to stir up the Russian shitpot. This serves to create popular opinion of Russia being the culprit rather than the actual perpetrator. Israel doesn't need US to bomb Iran, they just need Russia off their back. Haven't forgotten China, but they are focusing on whats going on to their closer neighbour to the South with the Cheonan incident. North Korea today announced that they were behind it's sinking. China also has a shitpot to keep from spilling over. Splits their focus and possibly active participation into two different directions just like Russia, just like the US. World War 4? Maybe. But certainly not in the next couple hours or even few weeks. This is the beginning of a different phase of an ongoing conflict. It is now at the operational intelligence level. It has not reached the military action level yet, there are still several more steps in the OPINTEL level that need to be taken to minimise dissent. Bombings are not tomorrow, but this could culminate in military action in Iran and Eastern Europe by later this Summer. We can also expect at least a lot of distractory sword rattling in the South China Sea as this ramps up towards a otter Summer. Gives the chinese something to focus on instead of the Israeli behind the curtain. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 939495  Canada04/20/2010 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948568  Thailand04/20/2010 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yah, well...I guess my two cents on the matter would be that this is probably a well-planned operation using foreign operatives designed specifically to make it look like a bumbling Russian attempt at overthrowing a country in hopes to destabilise the area. Even the killing of the cameraman was a really really blatant operation which was using tactics similar to the GRU but minus a few key details. Quoting: RowdyRhodie 946793A GRU termination would down a plane, kill the survivors and go after any witnesses, but the operation would be intentionally planned in a relatively empty area to minimise risk of collateral. They would have used silencers on .22 Makarovs to do the coup de grace. If a witness had escaped, they would have been tracked down and eliminated, but the witness would not have survived to have to be killed at the hospital. If he did, then the cleaners would go into the hospital dressed in a manner more appropriate to the setting specifically to prevent numerical operational identification..."three unidentified men"...no, they would have been orderlies or something of that nature who did not stick out. The GRU is smart. They're the oligarchic baby of the KGB. This operation on the other hand, uses enough of the tactics of the GRU to make it easy to point the finger there, however the elements which were omitted from the operational planning process were sufficient enough for a "secret operation" to be conducted in plain sight to the point where people like me can post their analyses on an open internet forum. A truly secret operation would never make it here. If it gets here, either the operation failed, or there was an internal leak...which also means operation failed. My best guess as to the qui bonum of this, who benefits, would be the Israelis. They want war with Iran. Russia backs Iran. US backs Israel. US trying to maintain post cold war relations with Russia. Israel stirs shitpot between US and Russia, Russia has to focus on and clean up the political fallout raining down on them in hopes of preventing a military conflict based on the modern "Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sofie." Israel continues to stir shit and sends out hordes of Mossad Sayanim on the interwebz such as here at GLP to continue to stir up the Russian shitpot. This serves to create popular opinion of Russia being the culprit rather than the actual perpetrator. Israel doesn't need US to bomb Iran, they just need Russia off their back. Haven't forgotten China, but they are focusing on whats going on to their closer neighbour to the South with the Cheonan incident. North Korea today announced that they were behind it's sinking. China also has a shitpot to keep from spilling over. Splits their focus and possibly active participation into two different directions just like Russia, just like the US. World War 4? Maybe. But certainly not in the next couple hours or even few weeks. This is the beginning of a different phase of an ongoing conflict. It is now at the operational intelligence level. It has not reached the military action level yet, there are still several more steps in the OPINTEL level that need to be taken to minimise dissent. Bombings are not tomorrow, but this could culminate in military action in Iran and Eastern Europe by later this Summer. We can also expect at least a lot of distractory sword rattling in the South China Sea as this ramps up towards a otter Summer. Gives the chinese something to focus on instead of the Israeli behind the curtain.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 947624 United States04/20/2010 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second? Quoting: Y 9483101st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash. If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here... No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella. The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia. Exactly. Finally someone that thinks clearly! Also, if Russia were to blame why would they allow all those photos to be posted of the crash site that clearly show how the questionable lights were set up? That initial clean-up team at the crash sight were not typical Secret Service professionals. More like for hire semi-professional focused on quickly doing a job for pay and getting them and their dead body evidence out of there. The death of the video guy was yet another clean-up the assassins had to perform to get their pay for the job. Cleaning up the loose ends. So who hired and paid that initial cleanup crew? Answer that question and you'll have the answer to who brought the plane down. Don't rule out inside sources in Poland either. Who in Poland stands to most benefit from this tragedy? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 902574 United States04/20/2010 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have so many horrible chills running down my spine right now. I sense pain and such evil from this video. Tears are forming. How can there be people like this? If this is indeed the crash, what a horrible way to die. |
Rex Kristos  User ID: 908143 United States04/20/2010 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone is trying to wag the dog and doing a fail of a job at it.... "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
| Monarch User ID: 947004 United States04/20/2010 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone is trying to wag the dog and doing a fail of a job at it.... Quoting: Rex Kristosditto :) "Who in Poland stands to most benefit from this tragedy?" Last Edited by Monarch on 04/20/2010 03:34 PM John 3:16 (Amplified Bible) “For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions;the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences-Proverbs22:3 <>< [link to www.teslasociety.com] U.S. Supreme Court decision (Case #369 decided June 21, 1943) [link to www.ntesla.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 495883 United States04/20/2010 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the moment, I`m speechless, really I am. Quoting: LEGION, FOR THERE ARE MANY 832155Yet, if this video is really true, as it appears it may be...and if the author of this video was really murdered or suicided.........damn, I`m still speechless. Murdering presidents now and family............. The implications.................? .........it seems there will be some form of severe retaliation........matter in fact, it would be in order. My guess Caspian sea area...sabotage. IMHO. LEGION this could get very ugly except it will be hard know who to trust or believe!!! ice |
| 89446 User ID: 925714  Romania04/20/2010 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wonder if they've rummaged through his house yet to get the film? Wouldn't that be what they after? Bet there is more film or he's filmed something he shouldn't have. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660494Without the original high quality film on camera tape they can say the uploaded footage is fake or tampered with. The footage that survived by being downloaded from the internets is poorer in quality because of the conversion and space limitations that affect the frames. Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 945308 New Zealand04/20/2010 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 861936 United States04/20/2010 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why was he there in the woods? Did the crash happen on his property? Can we find confirmation via a property search if it his said property? These questions, if not already answered, could lead to endiing the questions of hoax and government affiliations. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948165 Germany04/20/2010 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 861936 United States04/20/2010 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948165 Germany04/20/2010 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is fucking major. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 861936Download this video on your computers because it will be deleted soon. No, it isn't. It's total BS. German Dude...chill....nobody wants to suck your dick. LOL  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948608  United Kingdom04/20/2010 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is fucking major. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 861936Download this video on your computers because it will be deleted soon. No, it isn't. It's total BS. German Dude...chill....nobody wants to suck your dick. I might... lol - couldn't resist One question that I know has been asked but remains unanswered.... Is there any evidence whatsoever that the chap who filmed this has been killed? Seriously if there is no evidence then this is just someone getting a jolly from starting an online forest fire.. Let's stay rationale and vigilante please.. the truth will out |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 927141 United States04/20/2010 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The captioning in the video differs from this, some of the times seem a bit off too??? 0:29 (pizdec) 0:30 (kurwa) 0:30 (whore) 0:43 (idziemy z tad, idziemy) 0:43 (we go from here, let's go) 0:47 (dawaj z tad paskuda) 0:47 (come on out of here bungling) 0:49 (idzte z tad) 0:49 (idzte of here) 1:00 (ni chuja sobie) 1:00 (ni fuck yourself) 1:12 (wszyscy spowrotem idziemy) 1:12 (we all go back) 1:18 (ojciec idz wszystko, idziemy) 1:18 (father all go, go) 1:21 (ni chuja sobie) 6 1:21 (ni fuck yourself) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 945308 New Zealand04/20/2010 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Easy to debunk the film. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 442346Get the aerial google map pictures. Get the areial photos of the actual plane crash. Then look for obvious landmarks from the "film". Trees, buildings, houses. If they don't match up, the "video" is a fake or an outake from some movie. Happy hunting. The footage is the same as the crash shown later in official film - Same crash. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 948537 United States04/20/2010 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have so many horrible chills running down my spine right now. I sense pain and such evil from this video. Tears are forming. How can there be people like this? If this is indeed the crash, what a horrible way to die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 902574The video, when checked against other news video, does appear to be from the same Polish plane crash. The incident, if it is one, occurs a good ways from the cockpit and jet motors where most news crews filmed. The ground looks the same in all videos, and I would bet you could compare trees around the area and see the same trees in all videos. This video highlighted appears to have been filmed way up from the cockpit fuselage away from the point of the nose of the plane. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 944548 United States04/20/2010 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot. Quoting: fuqua 632507alarm bells would go off in both goverments. so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ? whats going on !? DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD LEAVE THE BODIES OF THE ONES THEY SHOT?~?~~? Think about it for a second. still it would be clear that bodies are missing ! it makes no sense. dead bodies dont go up in thin smoke. LOL Entire planes don't dissapear into holes in the ground either like that one day on September 11th... aww nevermind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 833938 United States04/20/2010 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Makes NO sense! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 576059Any government could scrub the video from the internet. Nobody knew who filmed it, even if they did, govt could cover with any number of explanations for the shots heard in it. There were military people on the plane, burning ammo would make more sense than killing the guy with the camera. Oh, and it's already been said by several people that he was saying something like "what the fuck". Well if this whole scenario is true than I would say that the government's motive for openly assassinating this guy is to create an atmosphere of fear where independant citizens with video cameras will think twice before posting a video documentary of government wrong-doings on the internet. You don't want to get stabbed, do you? Better put the camera down and look the other way. |
