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HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED

 
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Is it just me or are the translations different?

The captioning in the video differs from this, some of the times seem a bit off too???

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Which version is correct?

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Makes NO sense!

Any government could scrub the video from the internet.

Nobody knew who filmed it, even if they did, govt could cover with any number of explanations for the shots heard in it.

There were military people on the plane, burning ammo would make more sense than killing the guy with the camera.

Oh, and it's already been said by several people that he was saying something like "what the fuck".



Well if this whole scenario is true than I would say that the government's motive for openly assassinating this guy is to create an atmosphere of fear where independant citizens with video cameras will think twice before posting a video documentary of government wrong-doings on the internet. You don't want to get stabbed, do you? Better put the camera down and look the other way.
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good point
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Is it just me or are the translations different?

The captioning in the video differs from this, some of the times seem a bit off too???



Which version is correct?


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LMAO :-D

I think this version is the wrong one!
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wonder if they've rummaged through his house yet to get the film? Wouldn't that be what they after? Bet there is more film or he's filmed something he shouldn't have.


Without the original high quality film on camera tape they can say the uploaded footage is fake or tampered with. The footage that survived by being downloaded from the internets is poorer in quality because of the conversion and space limitations that affect the frames.
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I found you could use www.keepvid.com to save the YouTube video by pasting in the link and downloading, then it would ask you the format, I chose high quality FLV, and also downloaded the FLV player. The vodeo played on the FLV player then appeared to have more quality then the YouTube video at the URL.
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I'm not getting a few things here. I should say I haven't viewed the film (can't right now), but am responding to comments.

1. Re: the logic that the Russians can't be behind this because it happened on Russian soil? WTF? Not sure this is logic. And why on earth would the Russian government be covering up an outside terrorist cell killing the entire Polish government? That doesn't make any sense. Of course, it was the Russians. There was bad blood between the two countries.

2. Were their bullets and/or bullet holes in the victims? If there are then the film is not faked. Plus wasn't there another film? They're both faked and show the exact same thing?

3. No, if you're filming, you film. You don't necessarily throw down your camera and run and help crash victims. Especially when bullets start flying. Two different skill sets.

4. The silence about this is deafening, but understandable since the government and leaders of Poland are wiped out. I'm sure everyone is in shock and it takes awhile to gather facts so you're not talking out your ass.

5. The removal of the man that shot the film is obvious. I suppose since it happened in Russia and three unidentified men just strolled into a Russian hospital and took him off life support and stabbed him to death, it wasn't Russians that were responsible?

There have always been Russians connections to these travesties. Like the Kennedy assassination, notice how the consensus and speculation shifted to Cubans?

With the man gone, he can't be asked questions can he? I think that's the second part in shooting a film. You are there to answer questions in confirming what you saw and heard. It's not that the film isn't of importance, but personal testimony is also. Who he is, why he was there, what he saw and his anecdotal evidence complete the investigative process.

Now he's fucking dead and the Russian government is saying it's a coincidence and they don't have anything to do with this?

Come on!

We have a Russian mole fucking commie in the White House. These guys are drunk with power.


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Maybe the shots were fired in the air just as a warning to the people nearby to get the hell away from the wrecked plane? God knows - literally maybe.
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Wall Street will protect its' aims on Poland at all costs!
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THIS SHIT IS FUCKING SERIOUS.



Hej Diddy,

Jak prosiles daje link na ktory wczoraj wszedlem. Przetlumacze go dla naszych nie polsko jezycznych kolegow. Zapewniam Cie ze jestem Polakiem.

[link to fakty.interia.pl]

TRANSLATION :



" Author of the video seen by everyone by now has been stabbed near Kijow on 4.15 and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow. On 4.16 three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrij was prenounced dead that afternoon. Russian government claims it was a coincidence. "



PEOPLE THIS IS IT!

WORLD WAR 3!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ya, we WISH! But as usual in today's liberal sissy world, everyone will just wuss out, with sissyboy muslim terrorist sympathizer Obama leading the way.

Now everybody just smile and pretend to be happy and hopefully the bad people will all just go away and leave us alone.
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Polish Central Bank Sees No Need to Extend IMF Credit Line

March 29 (Bloomberg) — Poland’s economy is in “good enough shape” that the country doesn’t need to extend its Flexible Credit Line from the International Monetary Fund, the central bank said in an e-mailed statement today.

The only EU country to avoid a recession last year, Poland may see its economy expand 3 percent this year after a 1.7 percent expansion in 2009, the government has said. The central bank increased its projection for 2010 economic growth in February to a range of 2.1 percent to 4.1 percent, compared with its previous forecast of 0.8 percent to 2.8 percent.

“The Narodowy Bank Polski’s management is convinced that the situation of the Polish economy and the financial system are currently good enough that the country, instead of being among those using the IMF support, may join a group helping other countries through the IMF,” the bank said in the statement.
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deshaked version of the video: [link to www.youtube.com]
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It looks that Agent Obama sold Poland

and some other small countries to Russians.

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putin

You better mind your own business. What about 9/11, the Kennedy assassination plot, mysterious deaths of numerous investigative journalists, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, etc, etc.
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Only Ivan can come with stupid comment as you did.
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So can anyone translate? What does it say I watched the video of the shooting and I believed it was gun shots and they did hit something you could tell by the sound. But what does your post say?

It says the dude who filmed the video of the plane crash was STABBED... then sent to hospital where he was STABBED AGAIN TO DEATH THIS TIME.

I mean, unless you have a fucking contract on your head, THE KILLERS WON'T COME AND KILL YOU IN THE FREAKING HOSPITAL.


Dosen't sound like a professional 'hit' to me.

Maybe a loony?
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3 guys unplug him from life support and stab him repeatly and it is just some looney bins?

ok, you are a disinfo agent or just gullible
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what i dont get is, if people from the airplane where shot than that should be obvious when the russian and/or polish goverment investigated the crash site and see people shot.

alarm bells would go off in both goverments.

so wtf ?! why havent we heard anything from both those goverments yet ? are they still investigating ?

whats going on !?
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wasn't there 6 bodies missing?

maybe the ones with the bullets in them?
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deshaked version of the video: [link to www.youtube.com]
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after watching that I have to conclude this video is bullshit.


I didn't see a pilot or anyone waving. I only saw a couple people walking around in the distance. the lady, or companion of the guy recording didn't seem afraid at all. the quality of the original is so bad its impossible ot see shit anyway.
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after watching that I have to conclude this video is bullshit.


I didn't see a pilot or anyone waving. I only saw a couple people walking around in the distance. the lady, or companion of the guy recording didn't seem afraid at all. the quality of the original is so bad its impossible ot see shit anyway.
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What do you want to see? the fuckin pilot dancing around with the Polish PM?? Fuck sake man, their plane just crashed, they'd be on the floor crawling, unconscious, dazed etc. they'd be lower than the wing on the vid.

Also I heard that the Polish PM didn't like to fly with ammo on the plane incase of a rogue bullet or such. I dunno about that though, that was just some guy who told me, and he was told by someone else so make of it what you will, but I dunno. Sounds plausible.
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All the audio could have been added post-production. Lawl.
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deshaked version of the video: [link to www.youtube.com]




after watching that I have to conclude this video is bullshit.


I didn't see a pilot or anyone waving. I only saw a couple people walking around in the distance. the lady, or companion of the guy recording didn't seem afraid at all. the quality of the original is so bad its impossible ot see shit anyway.
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"didn't seem afraid at all..."

...

the whole thing is f'n weird!

How the hell are you gonna film this crap and casually lolli-gag through debris & bodies (that did happen...btw) when:

A PLANE JUST CRASHED !?

and someone was LAUGHING!?!

why?

WTF?

There is something very sinister to this. I know it in my gut. We are witnessing a side of Russia that is probably commonplace (or was)... that older dude survived(es) KGB round-up days & shit...

Would any of the alleged surprise you ?

And I concur about the rounds being fired... they were FIRED... not: "catching on fire" (call me a red-neck too!)
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OH MY GOD!!
The Russians are going to stab us all to death!!!
QUICK LAUNCH TEH NUKES LAUNCH TEH NUKESDDFGH!!!!1111

LAUINCH TEHR NUIKESD11111111!!!!!!!!
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Makes NO sense!

Any government could scrub the video from the internet.

Nobody knew who filmed it, even if they did, govt could cover with any number of explanations for the shots heard in it.

There were military people on the plane, burning ammo would make more sense than killing the guy with the camera.

Oh, and it's already been said by several people that he was saying something like "what the fuck".



Well if this whole scenario is true than I would say that the government's motive for openly assassinating this guy is to create an atmosphere of fear where independant citizens with video cameras will think twice before posting a video documentary of government wrong-doings on the internet. You don't want to get stabbed, do you? Better put the camera down and look the other way.
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If this was in the states and i was filming, I would expect a attempt
on my life ! - my smith 629 would finally get to stretch her legs !
44 mag works well for personal defense, might not be the best
answer- but the results will be respected !

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fuck sake people, chill. lets not go off beating the drums of war jere. fuck sake you people are fucking crazy for war. the dude was killed. maybe it was a drug hit or he was an insider who was taking out. seems strange to start with that he was able to get the video. moreover, no one knows who nthe fuck uploaded that video, therefore, how the fuck do we know this is the right guy. and remember, the poles are looking blood for this pne, they will swallow anything. them poles are mad and can fight like fuck.
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IS THE FATHER IN THE VIDEO STILL ALIVE?

hf

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OH MY GOD!!
The Russians are going to stab us all to death!!!
QUICK LAUNCH TEH NUKES LAUNCH TEH NUKESDDFGH!!!!1111

LAUINCH TEHR NUIKESD11111111!!!!!!!!
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+1
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Polish Central Bank Sees No Need to Extend IMF Credit Line

March 29 (Bloomberg) — Poland’s economy is in “good enough shape” that the country doesn’t need to extend its Flexible Credit Line from the International Monetary Fund, the central bank said in an e-mailed statement today.

The only EU country to avoid a recession last year, Poland may see its economy expand 3 percent this year after a 1.7 percent expansion in 2009, the government has said. The central bank increased its projection for 2010 economic growth in February to a range of 2.1 percent to 4.1 percent, compared with its previous forecast of 0.8 percent to 2.8 percent.

“The Narodowy Bank Polski’s management is convinced that the situation of the Polish economy and the financial system are currently good enough that the country, instead of being among those using the IMF support, may join a group helping other countries through the IMF,” the bank said in the statement.
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Who did it?

You have the answer...IMF/EU/Illuminati
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i wonder what the siren was for..cover the screams?
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Polish Central Bank Sees No Need to Extend IMF Credit Line

March 29 (Bloomberg) — Poland’s economy is in “good enough shape” that the country doesn’t need to extend its Flexible Credit Line from the International Monetary Fund, the central bank said in an e-mailed statement today.

The only EU country to avoid a recession last year, Poland may see its economy expand 3 percent this year after a 1.7 percent expansion in 2009, the government has said. The central bank increased its projection for 2010 economic growth in February to a range of 2.1 percent to 4.1 percent, compared with its previous forecast of 0.8 percent to 2.8 percent.

“The Narodowy Bank Polski’s management is convinced that the situation of the Polish economy and the financial system are currently good enough that the country, instead of being among those using the IMF support, may join a group helping other countries through the IMF,” the bank said in the statement.
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Skrzypek (the president of the national bank of poland) who has died in this plane crash denied to accept the credit. The funny thing is it was very not beneficial to International Monetary Fund in some way connected with bilderberg. Kaczyński supported skrzypek in his actions.

I mentioned Bilderberg - the point is Bilderberg concentrate elite which is trying to make NWO - Olechowski, former minister of Foreign Affairs and also Finance is a member of this elite. Olechowski and Tusk (prime minister) are co-founders of Civic Platform which is currently almost in total power after the death of most of their opponents.
Olechowski is supposed to candidate for president in the coming elections. Actualy we're already sold.

so my guess is it's not Russia!

(I hope what I wanted to say is enough clear, sorry for any-all mistakes :)
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deshaked version of the video: [link to www.youtube.com]
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We need de-shake of the play by play video.
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I'm not getting a few things here. I should say I haven't viewed the film (can't right now), but am responding to comments.

1. Re: the logic that the Russians can't be behind this because it happened on Russian soil? WTF? Not sure this is logic. And why on earth would the Russian government be covering up an outside terrorist cell killing the entire Polish government? That doesn't make any sense. Of course, it was the Russians. There was bad blood between the two countries.

2. Were their bullets and/or bullet holes in the victims? If there are then the film is not faked. Plus wasn't there another film? They're both faked and show the exact same thing?

3. No, if you're filming, you film. You don't necessarily throw down your camera and run and help crash victims. Especially when bullets start flying. Two different skill sets.

4. The silence about this is deafening, but understandable since the government and leaders of Poland are wiped out. I'm sure everyone is in shock and it takes awhile to gather facts so you're not talking out your ass.

5. The removal of the man that shot the film is obvious. I suppose since it happened in Russia and three unidentified men just strolled into a Russian hospital and took him off life support and stabbed him to death, it wasn't Russians that were responsible?

There have always been Russians connections to these travesties. Like the Kennedy assassination, notice how the consensus and speculation shifted to Cubans?

With the man gone, he can't be asked questions can he? I think that's the second part in shooting a film. You are there to answer questions in confirming what you saw and heard. It's not that the film isn't of importance, but personal testimony is also. Who he is, why he was there, what he saw and his anecdotal evidence complete the investigative process.

Now he's fucking dead and the Russian government is saying it's a coincidence and they don't have anything to do with this?

Come on!

We have a Russian mole fucking commie in the White House. These guys are drunk with power.


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This is the way normal, unbrainwashed, reasonable people think. Where are the rest of you?
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Jeez.. can't anyone think for a second?
1st. This is not an approved information. Could be a bogus. 2nd. What kind of an idiotic secret service would take down a plane.. allegedly and casually murder its survivors on site while being filmed doing it and finally without any hesitation murder the shady mysterious person who filmed it almost two weeks later to seal the deal and final the impression in other words: "prove" everyone that the "leaked" recording was "legitimate". Not Russian I tell you. Anyone who thinks this has been deliberately done by Russia is a... This is not the work of Russia but Russia will be possibly framed if it gets mainstream. Which may not because so far only western doomtards are blaming Russia for this sad sad event. Now add to it the interesting fact that almost none of the Western officials attended the poor President's funeral due to.. "the almighty invisible ash cloud which mysteriously covered the skies above entire Europe completely". If this gets viral.. this: "OMG RUSSIA DID IT!! LETS ALL HIDE IN THE OUTHOUSE!! TIS THE NUKES!!" - Then someone is desperately looking forward for a new conflict and this is just the beginning. If not.. then just relax. Planes fall all the time. This one just happened to have a President in it. May he rest in peace. peace


you have to think.If its true it would be so unbelievable to the public that it have to be untrue! Its easy then for gov and media to tell the public it was a normal plane crash.

If you see a flying saucer, you know its a flying saucer...you have a vid of the flying saucer and its real! Nobody would believe you just because the media and everyone is laughing about it, nobody would investigate.Know what I mean...you,we live here how some people want us to live here...


No, you think. If a secret service takes down a plane on it's own soil for everybody to see.. then it is not a secret service. These accusations pointing towards Russia are outrageous. If it was all well-prepared and planned by Russia's secret service.. do you really think they would let the guy film it? Or let him walk away together with the old fella who was standing nearby? I think not. If this would be a devised and carefully planned super secret operation of Russia's FSB as you propose.. we would never hear of the filming guy. He would be lying in an unmarked grave somewhere near Smolensk together with his cellphone and the old fella.

The only objection I have is.. that Russia is not to blame. It seems like, the ones responsible for this.. (if it was indeed not an accident) wanted the plane to crash in Russia so everybody would blame who? - Russia. They were quite successful then.. not only did they get rid of Poland's political and military leadership but also removed all blame and traces leading to them - because everybody is pointing their fingers on Russia.
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Dobre Jutro! I know it's russian...

Thank you for your levelheaded response.. i was thinking and thinking reading from the first page till your comment...

The clue and the knot are the questions:
- how did the man who filmed this got there at that location at that time? Was he walking his dog? It would be too much of a coindicence that you walk your dog and it practically pisses on a still burning plane which chrashed a minute ago with the entire leadership aboard dying... people please think!

- What is that old man doing there dressed in dark colors with something which looks like a briefcase in his hand... was he keeping the dogwalker company? He seems to move freely as if he is some tourguide or birdwatcher.

- Why, (and this observation came from Yah Massive Stone) where the grounds around that site not hermitically closed to unexpected visitors, eavesdroppers and thus potential witnesses? I am typing and as I am typing I think of one possible reason...meaning that whoever they were they couldn't seal the grounds either because they are unfamiliar in that area, or do not have any authority and the proper coops to do so! enticing me to conclude as far as this question is concerned, that the shooters are NOT russian. Would they have been they had all the proper tools, connections and authoritive power to make sure NO ONE would have been round about the crashsite... They would NOT blunder in this way they are TRAINED to not make blunders!This video would not have come all the way down to YouTube if KGB was involved!

These are two questions in relation to the video that reared from the back of my head and became an alarmbell!

What did they do right after the planes crashed into WTC? Programming... it was AlQaida, A terrorist attack, the fuels burned the steelframe of the building and so it collapsed... we remember that don't we? Damage control and mind control in action. The one who comes in to claim it is Russian KGB is the shill! Or just repeating what he/she has been fed by a shill!

This video is abnormal, because we see this, we see the plane burning and people getting shot, this is abnormal! Acknowledge that first and then look at it again and ask yourself why you see what you see and how.

When one man has the power to create and recreate reality, he will use it! That is human nature! Acknowledge this, the glidge.. men is not infallible so they will make mistakes (them meaning the cabal).

What you see is a rush of the curtain and this man getting killed is the hand that tries to pull the curtain back!

I think these images were shot with the purpose to feed those not buying into the MSM effect/story (mass manipulation).. the goal is to make them look at something else, divert your attention... to Russia!

My question is, who wants Russia in the picture to keep himself out? I am not saying that I am a friend of Russian politicians they belong to the same group! Do we need to take another look at the Georgia incident and Shaakasvili (not saying he did it!)?

I believe that this man got killed because the situation got out of control and the handler might have thought that he made a mistake by letting this whole revealing episode be eternalized on film!

I don't believe that this plane crashed because of whether etc. The pilot must have been an experienced pilot with miles on his brevet! Let's understand that this is a head of state who got killed together with ALL his staff the entire government of poland wiped out in one hour. Whoever says this is just an accident....if this is then steel definately melts when it is heated by fuel!

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