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Western Wall NOT the remnant of the Holy Temple??

 
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According to the writings of Josephus , ancient Jewish scholar, the western wall is likely from the old Roman Citadel , FORT ANTONIA.

Because of prophecy pertaining to the Temple, the knowledge of the exact location of the Holy Temple of Israel is very important. Today almost everyone thinks that the location of the Temple is the huge flat trapezoid area called Haram esh-Sharif by the Arabs or the Temple Mount by today's Jews. But today's Temple Mount may not be, and probably is not, the real temple Mount. How can this be you ask? Do read on as we examine some of the evidence.



The western wall Josephus described was the western wall of the city, not the western wall of the Temple Mount -- "the wall as enclosed the city on the west side." Josephus elsewhere said that the western side of the city was the upper city, but the Temple was in the lower city on Mount Moriah (War, book 5, 4, 1), thus not near the western wall of the city. Thus the so-called western wall that the Jews worship at is supposed to be the western wall of the Temple Mount, but the Romans destroyed the temple and its wall, and only planned to save the western wall of the city so that future generation would see what a great city the Roman had destroyed. But as it turned out the Romans also destroyed the western wall of the city while only leaving fort Antonia as a monument to the Romans (see later). Thus the western wall that the Jews worship at is not the western wall of the Temple, but the western wall of something else.

And I cannot but wish that we had all died before we had seen that holy city demolished by the hands of our enemies, or the foundations of our holy temple dug up after so profane a manner. But since we had a generous hope that deluded us, as if we might perhaps have been able to avenge ourselves on our enemies on that account, though it be now become vanity, and hath left us alone in this distress, let us make haste to die bravely. (War, Book 7, chap 8, 7)

According to Josephus (War, book 5, chap 5, 8) Fort Antonia was built around a huge rock 75 feet high (50 cubits). Today's "Temple Mount" also is built around a huge rock that is now covered over by the Dome of the Rock.

On the south side of Fort Antonia adjacent to the Temple were passages or stairs down to the cloisters that connected the Fort to the Temple (War, book 5, chap 5, 8). These are the same stairs that the Roman soldiers came down from the higher Fort (camp [parembole], "castle," or "barracks") to save Paul from the Jews (Act 21:30-40). Today, if you go to Jerusalem, you can see these same steps on the south side of the so-called Temple Mount. Fort Antonia was on a higher hill than the hill north of it (Bezetha) and the hill Acra to the south of it (War, book 5, chap 5, 8 compare w/ book 5, chap 5, 1). Today, the so-called "Temple Mount" is also higher than these hills.


Josephus in his Wars of the Jews (book 5, chapter 4) said that Jerusalem was built on two main hills. The first hill, the upper city since it was higher, was built on the higher western hill, which in the past was mistakenly named Zion. The upper city of Christ and Josephus's time was apparently, according to Martin, built in the second or third century BC and was continually built until the time of the apostles (p. 267). (Today's writings of Josephus also mistakenly called this upper hill David's Citadel.) Josephus then describes the lower eastern hill as a crescent-shaped hill on which the lower city of Jerusalem was built:

But the other hill [as opposite to the upper western part of the city] was called "Acra," and sustains the lower city, is of the shape of a moon when she is horned [crescent-shaped hill] (War, book 5, ch 4, Para 1)

He then mentions a third hill over against the crescent shaped hill but then says this hill was originally ["naturally"] lower than the lower city of Acra, but that Acra had been cut down in the past. He also mentioned that there was a valley between the upper and lower city; he called this valley the "Valley of the Cheese-mongers," but today we call it the Tyropoeon Valley. The Tyropoeon Valley today has been partially filled in over the ages with garbage and land fill. Martin gives us other quotes from others that also call Jerusalem a crescent-shaped city (pp 267-268).

Alfred Edersheim in his book on The Temple also gives information as to the shape of the part of Jerusalem that was called Acra in Josephus's time:

To the north and the east, opposite Zion, and divided from it by the deep Tyropoeon Valley were the crescent-shaped Acra [lower city] and Moriah, the latter [Acra] with Ophel as its southern outrunner.” (Chap 1, “Four Hills,” Alfred Edersheim, The Temple)

As Martin goes a long way toward proving in his book, today's Temple Mount is actually the camp of the Romans called by some, Fort Antonia. Fort Antonia was the only structure left after the Roman invasion of Jerusalem. It was only spared because it was a Roman fort, and not really a part of Jerusalem. Therefore, today's Jews are worshipping at the western wall of the Fort that the Romans used to destroy Jerusalem and the Holy Temple. What an irony. The real Temple Mount is south of today's false Temple Mount. The real Temple Mount should be across from the Gihon Spring in the area called Ophel.
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There is A LOT more research on the website, that I did not include here, such as water sources related to the Holy Temple from ancient writings.

I would think this would be an awesome revelation to the Jews if this can be proven. There would be no more fight for the Temple Mount, and they could begin building the new Temple immediately.......
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Very interesting.

Thx for the link.
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Very interesting.

Thx for the link.
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You quite welcome, and it is interesting, especially to those who understand the significance of the 3rd temple. hf
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City of Jerusalem Demolished to its very foundations, but Fort Antonia was Spared from the Total Destruction of Jerusalem
This was Eleazar's speech to them [of Masada].... And where is now that great city, the metropolis of the Jewish nation, which vas fortified by so many walls round about, which had so many fortresses and large towers to defend it, which could hardly contain the instruments prepared for the war, and which had so many ten thousands of men to fight for it?

Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing but that monument of it preserved, I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [the camp] still dwells upon [or over] its ruins; some unfortunate old men also lie upon the ashes of the temple, and a few women are there preserved alive by the enemy, for our bitter shame and reproach. (War, Book 7, chap 8, 7)
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City of Jerusalem Demolished to its very foundations, but Fort Antonia was Spared from the Total Destruction of Jerusalem
This was Eleazar's speech to them [of Masada].... And where is now that great city, the metropolis of the Jewish nation, which vas fortified by so many walls round about, which had so many fortresses and large towers to defend it, which could hardly contain the instruments prepared for the war, and which had so many ten thousands of men to fight for it?

Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing but that monument of it preserved, I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [the camp] still dwells upon [or over] its ruins; some unfortunate old men also lie upon the ashes of the temple, and a few women are there preserved alive by the enemy, for our bitter shame and reproach. (War, Book 7, chap 8, 7)

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According to Eleazar and Josephus....not only was the Holy Temple demolished and its foundations dug up, it was also burned to ashes.
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The Ophel (Hebrew: עופל‎), meaning fortified hill or risen area, is the biblical name given to a certain part of a settlement or city that is elevated from its surroundings. In the bible the Ophel refers to the elevation in two cities: the City of David in the Old City of Jerusalem[1] , and at Samaria[2] , the ancient capital of the Kingdom of Israel. Ernest L. Martin asserts the controversial claim in his book, "The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot", that the Ophel Mound is the site of the First and Second Temples and what is called the Temple Mount today was in fact the Roman Fort Antonia.


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According to the writings of Josephus , ancient Jewish scholar, the western wall is likely from the old Roman Citadel , FORT ANTONIA.
 Quoting: Forget Temple Mount 941750

He is 100% correct

The man who 1st put this all together was Dr. Ernest L. Martin(I believe he has passed away)

Not only does Dr.Martin use the writings of Josephus,he uses many other ancient eye witnesses as well


You can spend hours on his web site

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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This means the Temple could be rebuilt now. From what I could see from google maps, there's nothing in this area. (I could be a off on where I was looking)
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Is this theory even being considered in Israel?
This is important stuff.
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This means the Temple could be rebuilt now. From what I could see from google maps, there's nothing in this area. (I could be a off on where I was looking)
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If your looking 100 m SE of the Dome of the Rock,you are correct

The Jewish people paid no attention whatever to the present Western (Wailing) Wall until they finally took over the site from the Muslims (about 1570 AD) who in turn had renovated it from being a Christian holy place where Christian women would discard soiled undergarments. The Wailing Wall as a Jewish holy place is a modern invention that was selected for Jewish worship (without the slightest historical precedent) by one of the greatest mystics of the Kabbalistic age. His name was Isaac Luria (called "the Lion") who in his many geographical mistakes (as I show in my research writings) selected the Western Wall as a holy place for the Jews to assemble. Rabbi Luria only sanctified and initiated this Western Wall in the last part of the sixteenth century – only 430 years ago.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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[link to becomingone.org]
Check out the pics on this site that line up with the reseach.
According to the writings of Josephus , ancient Jewish scholar, the western wall is likely from the old Roman Citadel , FORT ANTONIA.

He is 100% correct

The man who 1st put this all together was Dr. Ernest L. Martin(I believe he has passed away)

Not only does Dr.Martin use the writings of Josephus,he uses many other ancient eye witnesses as well


You can spend hours on his web site

[link to www.askelm.com]
 Quoting: mathetes

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I was thinking, what are the chances of the arabs making an attempted grab the "real" location once they figure out what's really going on.
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Matthew 24:2 - And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Walter Martin did a lot of great research. I saw a show just the other day that claimed, well, the bottom stones on the wall are from the original temple, the ones that are smaller on top were added by the the crusaders I think, or the Ottomans. People are studying this claim so now they have added this information.

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This is good news. It means they can rebuild the Temple and restart the sacrifices without demolishing the Dome of the Rock.
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Because of prophecy pertaining to the Temple, the knowledge of the exact location of the Holy Temple of Israel is very important.
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The original temple is in Saudi Arabia and was discovered several years ago.

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