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THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL, AGAINST IT, HIS CHURCH

 
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If you look into the ARCHIVES, here at GLP, under CATHOLIC, you will find MANY posts, which are AGAINST, THE CHURCH, which is NOTHING NEW.

One in particular, that PROMPTED me, to start this THREAD, was the one in which the POSTER stated that THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is WITHERING in EUROPE.
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These verses as BELIEVED by the APOSTLES, most especially PETER, himself, THE CHURCH FATHERS and the EARLY CHURCH, ATTEST to PETER being the ROCK on which JESUS built HIS CHURCH, and it is CERTAIN that IT IS JESUS that GAVE PETER the KEYS to HIS KINGDOM.

Mat 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


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And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Got Viagra?
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...I think it might have something to do with the rampant child buggering...
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Catholic Church withers in Europe
May 2, 2005

DUBLIN -- "The cavernous, cinderblock construction of the Church of the Most Precious Blood, built in 1954 in a solidly working-class neighborhood here, reflects an era when Ireland´s priests could marshal one of the world´s most devout Roman Catholic flocks for Mass each Sunday and on other days of obligation.

A half-century later, the massive church was nearly empty during Mass on a recent Sunday -- its cold, cement walls echoing with the thin coughs of elderly women, who seem to make up the majority of parishioners in many Irish parishes.

Here and across Europe, Catholicism is withering after decades of steady erosion from the forces of secularism, consumer culture, and the fallout from priest sex abuse scandals.

In some of Catholic Europe´s largest dioceses in Germany, France, Italy, and Ireland, the percentage of Catholics who attend Mass regularly has slipped to as low as 20 percent, and in a few cities, like Paris, has reached as low as the single digits, according to figures compiled by the church....

[link to www.boston.com]
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Matthew 16:18.

The verse does not say that the gates of hell will not infiltrate, deceive, or that there will not be SCANDAL.

It says only that the gates of hell will not "PREVAIL," that is, hell will not win the f-i-n-a-l war, AGAINST HIS CHURCH, no matter how many SCANDALS it has.
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I CaN Do bEtTeR SiLlY TeXt wRiTiNg tHaN YoU , CoNfUsInG To rEaD IsNt iT?
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The Greek verb for "PREVAIL" is katischuo.

It appears only ONE other time in the New Testament, in Luke 23:

23 "But they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And their voices PREVAILED.

24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required."

Notice that this usage of PREVAIL is in the PASSION of JESUS, the time in which the Father handed Jesus over to the Jewish priests and Gentile rulers in order to have him CRUCIFIED.

It is a WORD indicating that the people have finally ACCOMPLISHED the DEMISE of Jesus.

Once the voices of the chief priests and people "PREVAILED," Pilate sentenced Jesus to death.
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But we have the PROMISE of Jesus in Matthew 16:18-20 that only He, not the Church, would suffer the divine death-sentence, for He is THE SAVIOUR.

The CHRUCH herself, no matter, what she becomes, will survive UNTIL the COMING of CHRIST in GLORY.

She may end up bloodied and beaten, by those WHO PERSECUTE HER, but she will S-U-R-V-I-V-E.
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Ireland has suffered a great many tragedies in her long history. There are those we hear of every day—the "Troubles," the great Famine—Irish sorrows and issues we are all familiar with. But hidden beneath the surface, lies a tragedy just as great, just as terrible and just as unimaginable. And it is only just beginning to break through to the light of truth.

It is the story of thousands of Ireland´s women...judged "sinners" by the cruel Church-driven society of the 1800´s through present day. Their crime? Bearing children out of wedlock...leaving abusive husbands or home situations. The punishment? A lifetime of "penitence" spent in the service of the Sisters of Charity, Mercy, Good Shepherd or other orders, performing domestic chores...harsh, thankless chores such as laundering prison uniforms, cooking, cleaning and caring for elderly nuns or their aging peers, still trapped behind the walls of Ireland´s numerous convent laundries, industrial schools and the like.

They are "The Magdalenes," ironically called after Mary the Magdalene, who served her Jesus loyally and was rewarded with his forgiveness and love. No such rewards exist for these "penitents." They were told to forever hide their shame inside these walls, work under harsh, spartan conditions, driven unmercifully by the sisters and often abused by them as well. It is a story Ireland has every right to be ashamed of, which is perhaps why it has only come to light recently.

In 1993, church property held by the Sisters of Charity in Dublin which once served as a convent laundry was to be sold back to the Republic for public use. It was discovered at that time that some 133 graves existed, unmarked, in a cemetery on the convent grounds. The graves belonged to women who had worked in the service of the convent all their lives, buried without notification to possible family...unmarked, unremembered. When the discovery was made, a cry arose in the streets of Dublin...families came forth to identify and claim some of the women as their long-lost daughters, mothers, grandmothers, and sisters. Yet many remained unidentified. At the time of the 1993 discovery, a memorial was established and the remaining, unclaimed bodies were to be cremated and reinterred in the Glasnevin cemetery in Dublin. But a problem arose: an initial exhumation order was given for 133 bodies, yet at time of exhumation, another 22 bodies were discovered. No additional exhumation order was obtained or given, and the 155 bodies were cremated and moved with little fanfare.

In 2003, Irish Times journalist Joe Humphrey revealed there were no death certificates extant for many of these women (and their children, some of whom were also found buried on the High Park grounds). It is and has been illegal in many countries, including Ireland, to fail to report a death. One must wonder why — what has the Church to hide regarding these deaths? The media has been awash with the subject in Ireland. And thanks to Peter Mullan´s excellent movie, The Magdalene Sisters, [ [link to www.miramax.com] the story of the women has spread worldwide.

In addition to graves gone unmarked, so too, living women go "unmarked," languishing still inside the convent walls — unclaimed by their respective families as many were given false names upon admittance, making their true identification enormously difficult. Even in death these women suffered callous, inhumane treatment and were robbed of their dignity.


In a Church and society that seems to hold life as sacred and cherished, I cannot help but wonder what monstrous idealism could spurn fallen women and their fallen daughters for the "crime" of becoming pregnant or of being poor, or for no reason at all? And, in its basest form, has the system perpetuated itself? As a birth mother of a relinquished daughter, now a third generation "Magdalene," I feel compelled to find out. This demeaning treatment of women—of any human—should not be tolerated nor go unpunished itself.

I urge you, gentle reader, to explore the links I´ve supplied here...they will tell you the tale of the Magdalene women better than I ever could. Some link to support and resources that I hope will assist those in need of healing or education. While few at present, I hope to add more as this tragedy reaches the ears of more and more people, igniting a spark of outrage directed toward any government or church that would treat human beings in such a manner.
This page is dedicated to the tragedy imposed upon these women by an exceedingly judgmental and harsh Church and society. My own mother spent ten years in the harsh facility at Sunday´s Well, Cork.

[link to www.netreach.net]
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Scripture nevertheless PREDICTS a time of great APOSTACY that will come upon THE CHURCH.

One cannot say the gates of hell will notPREVAIL, except when the great apostasy comes.

The answer to this seeming CONTRADICTON is that THE CHURCH WILL SURVIVE IN THE R-E-M-N-A-N-T CHURCH of CATHOLICS who will adhere to its´ TEACHINGS.
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Perhaps the Church made a deal with the DEVIL to become rich and powerful in exchange for SATAN controlling its leaders, and that´s why there is so EVIL occurring within the Church and its monasteries.
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No, 1195, Jesus´ PROMISE it that THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL, AGAINST IT; HIS CHURCH.

This VERSE, certainly does (edit) allude us TO BELIEVE, that THERE WILL BE A GREAT BATTLE, A-S I-F THE GATES OF HELL, has >CONQUERED IT< but IT WILL N-O-T P-R-E-V-A-I-L, as STATED!!!!
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"Churches in US, Europe turn to India for priests"

Kochi, May 2 (PTI): "It may not yet be called outsourcing, but acute shortage of young priests is driving catholic Churches in the US, Europe and Latin America to look to India, particularly Kerala, for them, church officials say.

In the US and European countries, the "greying" church phenomenon was causing concern. Youngsters were not coming forward to become priests, one reason being that Catholic priests have to be celibate, Syro-Malabar Catholic Church spokesman, Father Paul Thelekatt, said here.

Another factor worrying Churches there is the dwindling attendance of those from the younger generation for Sunday Mass, he said.

Thelekatt, who studied in Belgium and worked as a part-time priest during vacations at a Church in Nueremburg for nearly five years during 1980 to 1985, says there was nothing wrong in priests being sent from India for missionary activities abroad.

The spiritual and moral problems being faced by parishioners here and abroad were similar, though cultural differences are there, he said.

"Catholic Church is like a family. It is the spirit of the Church to share personnel and resources when and where they are in plenty," Thelekatt said.

Earlier, it was missionaries from Spain, Portugal, Belgium and Italy who were coming to India for Church activities. Time has come a full circle and now priests from India are being much sought after, he said.

Thelekatt said though priests were being sent abroad for many years, of late, this tendency was on the rise due to the severe shortage of priests abroad.

Although precise figures are not available about the total number of priests going abroad annually, according to him in the Syro-Malabar dioceses of Ernakulam-Angamally, of the total 450 priests, 30 are abroad at present.

The extreme climate abroad, language barriers and cultural differences were some of the hurdles being faced by the priests who volunteer to go abroad.

In many places, Indian priests undergo language and culture training of the country they go to take up the assignment, Thelekkat said.

According to Father James Pereppadian, parish priest at nearby Chethicode who was in Italy for over seven years as priest and returned to India a few months ago, there were good number of priests from India in Germany and the US.

In the US, at least three Indian priests had been appointed as ´Deacon´, dean of the priests of a particular area, he said.

All the expenses of the priests, including boarding and lodging, are met either by the Church or the government of the host country. They were also entitled to two months vacation with free travel and salary..."

[link to www.hindu.com]
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This REMINDS me of WHEN CHRISTIANS, had to PRACTICE their BELIEFS´ in SECRECY, or RISK the CHANCE of BECOMING HARMED or THROWN to THE LIONS.
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A SEER, stated this in an APPARITION.

ONLY A REMNANT

"Do not be deluded, My children, by the agents of satan among you in human form who preach doctrines of devils.

The truth has been given to mankind through the ages.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church of My Son will stand.

The members shall be reduced to few.

Only a R-E-M-N-A-N-T, My child, shall carry the banner Faithful and True.

But the gates of hell shall fight a heavy battle against My Son´s Church, but they shall not SUCCEED." - Our Lady, May 14, 1977
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There are MANY who WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, F-A-L-L, but IT WILL NEVER!!!!
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WOW, I am >SUPPRISED< that there ARE NO ATTACKERS....... on this THREAD.

Maybe, I spoke to soon.........
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The Magdalene Laundries
by Joni Mitchell

I was an unmarried girl
I´d just turned twenty-seven
When they sent me to the sisters
For the way men looked at me.
Branded as a jezebel,
I knew I was not bound for Heaven
I´d be cast in shame
Into the Magdalene laundries.

Most girls come here pregnant
Some by their own fathers.
Bridget got that belly
By her parish priest.
We´re trying to get things white as snow,
All of us woe-begotten daughters,
In the steaming stains
Of the Magdalene laundries.

Prostitutes and destitutes
And temptresses like me—
Fallen women—
Sentenced into dreamless drudgery—
Why do they call this heartless place
Our Lady of Charity?
Oh, charity!

These bloodless brides of Jesus,
If they had just once glimpsed their groom,
Then they´d know, and they´d drop the stones
Concealed behind their rosaries.
They wilt the grass they walk upon,
They leech the light out of a room,
They´d like to drive us down the drain
At the Magdalene laundries.

Peg O´Connell died today.
She was a cheeky girl,
A flirt
They just stuffed her in a hole!
Surely to God you´d think at least
some bells should ring!
One day I´m going to die here too.
And they´ll plant me in the dirt
Like some lame bulb
That never blooms come any spring,
Come any spring,
No, not any spring...
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Have the "gates of hell" prevailed?

Catholics know that Christ cannot lie. Let us then examine the meaning of this promise.

The TRUTH functions ex opere operatio.

It resides in the FAITHFUL.

Every BAPTISED infant, according to the traditional rite, becomes a "member of the body of Christ."

And what is the Church if not the Body of Christ, the presence of Christ in this world? It follows then that, as Catherine Emerick points out, if there were but ONE PERSON ALIVE WHO IS >CATHOLIC< THE CHURCH RESIDES IN HIM/HER.

There are MANY FAITHFUL CATHOLICS, and the GATES WILL NEVER PREVAIL!!!
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So long as the Church "is about beliefs" and not about behavior, it will wither because Life what we do as a result of what we think--

not the other way around.

The pedophiles in the church are merely reflecting the extent of demonic oppression of human spirits.

Looks as if the Catholic Church at this moment is badly infested.
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Hell might not get in the gate but I think there is a hole in the fence somewhere. LOL
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So long as the Church "is about beliefs" and not about behavior, it will wither because Life what we do as a result of what we think--

not the other way around.

The pedophiles in the church are merely reflecting the extent of demonic oppression of human spirits.

Looks as if the Catholic Church at this moment is badly infested. ---------------------


These ARE Y-O-U-R WORDS, 1603. Your words HAVE NO AUTHORITY, just as OTHERS BEFORE YOU, who have SPOKEN the S-A-M-E W-O-R-D-S.

Jesus´ P-R-O-M-I-S-E is HIS CHURCH WILL >STAND< till HE COMES FOR HER!!!!
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Chaiyah@Abidemiracles,

From the MOMENT Jesus built HIS CHURCH on PETER and GAVE him >THE KEYS< to THE KINGDOM, he made A PROMISE, to HIS CHURCH.

Jesus CHURCH has STOOD, since that TIME, until it is TIME for JESUS´ to TAKE HIS BRIDE.

One BRIDE.

The CHURCH he ESTABLISHED ON PETER and PETER ALONE.

Which is the PILLAR OF GROUND AND TRUTH. 1 Timothy 3:15
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"This, too shall pass."
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Mystic, Catholicism came long AFTER Jesus was on earth.

The Catholic church & Jesus are miles apart.

The church keeps the weekly sabbaths, the annual appointments with God, new moons, the dietary laws listed in the Old Testament & many other laws written in the bible.

Last I knew, the Catholic church doesn´t do any of those. They celebrate the Pagan holidays instead.
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What´s going on here?

Stained glass window in church.

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Mystic, Catholicism came long AFTER Jesus was on earth.

The Catholic church & Jesus are miles apart.

The church keeps the weekly sabbaths, the annual appointments with God, new moons, the dietary laws listed in the Old Testament & many other laws written in the bible.

Last I knew, the Catholic church doesn´t do any of those. They celebrate the Pagan holidays instead. ------------------------

Jesus KNEW, as WELL AS PETER, THAT JESUS was ESTABLISHING HIS CHURCH, the CHURCH UNDER PETER and HIS SUCCESSORS.

Is your CHURCH, under PETER, who JESUS GAVE THE KEYS to THE KINGDOM; to BIND and LOOSE, whatever is on HEAVEN and EARTH.

No.

What YOUR CHURCH >PRACTICES< are THE OLD MOSAIC LAWS, which are JUST AS INSPIRED, but WE ARE NOW TO LIVE IN THE NEW COVENANT, the N-E-W T-E-S-T-A-M-E-N-T and the CHURCH UNDER PETER who HOLDS THE KEY, given to HIM BY JESUS.

You are PRACTCING OLD LAWS, which WE ARE NOT BOUND.

You are STILL BOUND TO THEM, NOT I, and THE NEW CHURCH, on which JESUS ESTABLISHED.
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True ! they are the GATES of hell ..... !

Phodophyleutopia!
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Jesus said if you love me "keep my commandments". The annual festivals & other appointments are in the new testament. Jesus died as the Passover lambs were slain. Jesus and his followers had their "last supper" together the night before the Passover. The Last Supper is a lasting covenant. Read Matt., Mark, Luke & John. They are there.

Col. 2:16 - Talks about the festivals, new moons & sabbaths.
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There are MANY who WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, F-A-L-L, but IT WILL NEVER!!!!

Bullshit. Nothing lasts forever. Not even your precious church in this realm of impermanence.





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