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WASHINGTON — The gap between the cost of renting a modest apartment and the wages of working families continues to widen, according to a new report from the National Low Income Housing Coalition.

"Out of Reach 2010" paints a gloomy picture for the nation's nearly 38 million renters, who make up a third of U.S. households.

On average, a family must earn $38,355 a year, $18.44 an hour, to afford a simple two-bedroom apartment at the 2010 national average fair market rent of $959.

However, the average wage for U.S. renters is $14.44 an hour, down from $14.69 last year. Further, more than 60 percent of U.S. renters live in counties where even the average one-bedroom fair market rent of $805 isn't affordable for average wage earners, the study found.

Minimum wage earners are at the greatest disadvantage. Under the standard measure of affordability — housing costs should account for no more than 30 percent of income — full-time minimum wage earners can't afford one-bedroom apartments in any county in the country, even though Congress increased the minimum wage from $6.55 an hour to $7.25 last year.

When adjusted for inflation, though, the average hourly wage fell by half a percentage point last year and probably will stagnate for the next few years, said economist Dean Baker, the co-director of the Center for Economic Policy and Research.

"So the ability of people to be able to afford decent housing is not likely to get any better" in the next few years, Baker said. "It's more likely to be worse than better. We aren't on a good path."

The findings help explain why the number of renters who moved in with family and friends, or "doubled up," increased by 25 percent from 2005 to 2009.

So-called affordable housing is becoming harder to find. Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies has estimated that 200,000 such apartments, for which tenants pay less than 30 percent of their income for rent and utilities, are lost each year in the U.S.

For every new affordable-housing unit that's constructed, two are demolished, abandoned or converted to condominiums or expensive rentals, according to the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

With the number of renters growing because of foreclosures and the deflated housing market, the Low Income Housing Coalition says it's time for policymakers to put more money into rental assistance and affordable housing.

Throughout the housing crisis and recession, lawmakers have focused resources and attention mainly on helping troubled homeowners avoid foreclosure, but some 40 percent of foreclosures also displace renter households, according to the report.

The coalition wants Congress to fund the National Housing Trust Fund, which establishes a permanent funding source to construct, renovate and preserve 1.5 million units of rental housing for low-income families over a 10-year period.

The trust fund legislation passed in 2008, but because of the economic downturn, Congress hasn't funded it.

The fund wouldn't increase government spending or taxes because it was supposed to be funded through contributions from mortgage giants Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration.

Sheila Crowley, the president of the coalition, said now was the time to act.

"Providing $1 billion for the National Housing Trust Fund will help address the growing shortage of affordable housing, which is one of the most serious economic problems facing the country," she said.

Crowley said she expects the House of Representatives to begin floor debate on the Section 8 Voucher Reform Act, which passed the House Financial Services Committee last July.

"We are very much hoping that the Senate will take it up as well," she said.

The bill would provide rent subsidies for 150,000 low-income families, Crowley said, and the coalition is seeking another 2 million Section 8 housing vouchers over the next 10 years, which would double the current number.

In a statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the coalition report showed the urgency of the hardship that low-income renters faced.

"We are grateful for the NLIHC's efforts, and we will continue our partnership to ensure that more Americans have better access to decent and affordable rental housing," Pelosi said.
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Re: Many Americans struggling with rising rental housing costs
hmm more housing projects on the horizon?
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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possibly and you have to wonder if they will be government run too
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possibly and you have to wonder if they will be government run too
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How the Department of Housing and Urban Development calculates Fair Market Rents
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Re: Many Americans struggling with rising rental housing costs
rooms for rent w/shared bathrooms go for 120-140 a week here.
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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Re: Many Americans struggling with rising rental housing costs
as always when they calculate anything they do it in a warped way that only benefits the people that don't need it.
it was inevitable that this would happen. so many people have lost their homes and cannot buy another so the price of rent goes up.

a friend of mine recently found herself in this position and was told that due to her credit (the fact that she had lost her house) she would have to pay a higher rent. the landlord used the excuse that she was high risk.
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as always when they calculate anything they do it in a warped way that only benefits the people that don't need it.
it was inevitable that this would happen. so many people have lost their homes and cannot buy another so the price of rent goes up.

a friend of mine recently found herself in this position and was told that due to her credit (the fact that she had lost her house) she would have to pay a higher rent. the landlord used the excuse that she was high risk.
 Quoting: Aileana

around here they run credit checks. shitty credit & youre stuck in the hood - slumlords dont run credit checks..
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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they did a credit check, thats how he knew about her house. he could have chosen to not rent to her but decided to screw her out of more money to benefit himself. got to love the compassion
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they did a credit check, thats how he knew about her house. he could have chosen to not rent to her but decided to screw her out of more money to benefit himself. got to love the compassion
 Quoting: Aileana

it was mentioned back in 06/07 that tptb plan was to build compact cities of 10000 people. its also on the biodiversity map/agenda 21

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Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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I agree, rent is way to high for most people to afford, people are being forced into co-renting with others just to be able to have a place to live.
More and more apartment complexes are going up for sale because people would rather co-rent and rent a nicer place than live in a dumpy apartment complex with high rent by their selves.
Then theres the anal retentive landlord who doesnt want you to do this or do that ...will not rent to you if your last name starts with a C or your the wrong sun sign for the apartment..you know, kooks like that.
Something really needs to be done about the high cost of apartments and the landlord tenant laws need to be re-written to protect tenants from insane landlords.
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I recall Florida being very reasonable. I live in Missouri today and Florida was about the same or a little more.
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it was mentioned back in 06/07 that tptb plan was to build compact cities of 10000 people. its also on the biodiversity map/agenda 21


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interesting that the housing bubble burst a year later
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I hope this is pinned already.
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bump hf
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"The basic difference between an ordinary man and a warrior is that a warrior takes everything as a challenge, while an ordinary man takes everything as a blessing or as a curse."--Don Juan
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I agree, rent is way to high for most people to afford, people are being forced into co-renting with others just to be able to have a place to live.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360

the apt sharing has become more common that you'd care to believe, its no longer a running "mexican" stereotypical joke.

6 friends of my eldest boy, all share a 1 bdrm apt, 2 sets of bunk beds in the one bedroom. the other 2 sleep in the living rm on a couch and recliner. their rent is 785
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The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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No conspiracy here, this is just the natural progression of the system.

What we are seeing now is the "leveling out", look to india if you want a idea of the future of America.

Bottom line is you are either get lucky enough to get in a good job market (luck is a big factor) or you have to live in full on poverty.

And if you want to get real depressed look at the social mobility levels and how they have dropped.

For those that dont care about commie reading, social mobility is the idea that if you are born poor with hard work etc.. you can move up to the middle classes.

This is harder than ever before in the modern age, and if you are born poor you will most likely stay poor.
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No conspiracy here, this is just the natural progression of the system.

What we are seeing now is the "leveling out", look to india if you want a idea of the future of America.

Bottom line is you are either get lucky enough to get in a good job market (luck is a big factor) or you have to live in full on poverty.

And if you want to get real depressed look at the social mobility levels and how they have dropped.

For those that dont care about commie reading, social mobility is the idea that if you are born poor with hard work etc.. you can move up to the middle classes.

This is harder than ever before in the modern age, and if you are born poor you will most likely stay poor.
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If you consider "social mobility" as commie reading, America has been practicing "social mobility" since its beginnings.
However, our government put the brakes on that concept by handing out welfare as if it was candy, thus no incentive to work one's self out of poverty.
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No conspiracy here, this is just the natural progression of the system.

What we are seeing now is the "leveling out", look to india if you want a idea of the future of America.

Bottom line is you are either get lucky enough to get in a good job market (luck is a big factor) or you have to live in full on poverty.

And if you want to get real depressed look at the social mobility levels and how they have dropped.

For those that dont care about commie reading, social mobility is the idea that if you are born poor with hard work etc.. you can move up to the middle classes.

This is harder than ever before in the modern age, and if you are born poor you will most likely stay poor.

If you consider "social mobility" as commie reading, America has been practicing "social mobility" since its beginnings.
However, our government put the brakes on that concept by handing out welfare as if it was candy, thus no incentive to work one's self out of poverty.
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So your argument is that if there was zero welfare then there would be no poverty?

I dont undestand how this meshes with history, before "welfare" you had seas of poor people.

I put forward that you are just trying to blame your pet problem which in your case is the government.

While the government does have some role in the current problem laying blame only there is not very realistic.

I would go on with further examples but i know it would be a waste of time.
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If you consider "social mobility" as commie reading, America has been practicing "social mobility" since its beginnings.
However, our government put the brakes on that concept by handing out welfare as if it was candy, thus no incentive to work one's self out of poverty.




So your argument is that if there was zero welfare then there would be no poverty?

I dont undestand how this meshes with history, before "welfare" you had seas of poor people.

I put forward that you are just trying to blame your pet problem which in your case is the government.

While the government does have some role in the current problem laying blame only there is not very realistic.

I would go on with further examples but i know it would be a waste of time.
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social programs have ruined this country. example video

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social programs were meant to help the needy but since they are used and abused by the lazy it should be abolished.

when was the last time you heard of someone that actually needed it get it then you go to the store and someone wearing Gucci and driving an escalade is in front of you using food stamps.
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social programs were meant to help the needy but since they are used and abused by the lazy it should be abolished.

when was the last time you heard of someone that actually needed it get it then you go to the store and someone wearing Gucci and driving an escalade is in front of you using food stamps.
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Well sorry for not being upper class enough..

But i used to be hella poor and i still live in a low income area, I SEE PEOPLE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE EVERYTIME I GO TO THE STORE.

I guess since i do not live in a wealthy area i do not see these people driving escalades and using food stamps.

I will not discount this idea just because i have never witnessed it but i do know where this idea is coming from and its hardly unbiased.


I know 4-6 people that receive somekind of assistance and they are not lazy, the reality is even a low end job would provide more than the "fat government paycheck".

But when you have seas of people fighting for even the low end jobs some people are going to lose out.

Now i understand its eaiser to just ignore the "have nots" but i just dont think that is very realistic.
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Tell me about it. I have five adult children living at home with me and the wife. In my sixties I thought I would be free to travel the world, but that is not the case as I have to provide shelter for my children (Adopted and natural) that can not afford to live in Southern California on their own.

It is just too damn expensive.
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So i guess the platform you guys are looking for is something like..


Once you turn 30 you are tested and if you do not have marketable job skills that will allow to make at least 2x the national average you should be deported.

Aditionally if you lose your job and do not have the new required skills to get another one you should be deported.

So once we get rid of all of these leeches we can stop paying taxes all together, and since the whole nation will be rich, since poor people are kicked out, we will become a strong nation again.


What else am i missing here?

Should we instead run tests a birth?
Or how about we simply prevent the poor from having children?
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No conspiracy here, this is just the natural progression of the system.

What we are seeing now is the "leveling out", look to india if you want a idea of the future of America.

Bottom line is you are either get lucky enough to get in a good job market (luck is a big factor) or you have to live in full on poverty.

And if you want to get real depressed look at the social mobility levels and how they have dropped.

For those that dont care about commie reading, social mobility is the idea that if you are born poor with hard work etc.. you can move up to the middle classes.

This is harder than ever before in the modern age, and if you are born poor you will most likely stay poor.

If you consider "social mobility" as commie reading, America has been practicing "social mobility" since its beginnings.
However, our government put the brakes on that concept by handing out welfare as if it was candy, thus no incentive to work one's self out of poverty.




So your argument is that if there was zero welfare then there would be no poverty?

I dont undestand how this meshes with history, before "welfare" you had seas of poor people.

I put forward that you are just trying to blame your pet problem which in your case is the government.

While the government does have some role in the current problem laying blame only there is not very realistic.

I would go on with further examples but i know it would be a waste of time.
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No, dumkopf! As long as governments hand out welfare, people will not work to better their lives. Verstehen Sie?
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So i guess the platform you guys are looking for is something like..


Once you turn 30 you are tested and if you do not have marketable job skills that will allow to make at least 2x the national average you should be deported.

Aditionally if you lose your job and do not have the new required skills to get another one you should be deported.

So once we get rid of all of these leeches we can stop paying taxes all together, and since the whole nation will be rich, since poor people are kicked out, we will become a strong nation again.


What else am i missing here?

Should we instead run tests a birth?
Or how about we simply prevent the poor from having children?
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you are reading a hell of a lot into the statements made here and coming up with assumptions that are totally off base. i can't speak for anyone else but i can clarify my own statements. i have come across many people in real need of assistance and they never get it yet the ones that are PLAYING the system always manage to have everything handed to them. this means that the people in real need end up working 2 and sometimes 3 jobs just to make ends meet and feed their children. Hence the comment about lazy people. i am far from rich and worry every month about making ends meet but be honest here, don't you think that their are a lot of people that ruin the system for everyone else in need?
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Or how about we simply prevent the poor from having children?


Probably a good idea
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So i guess the platform you guys are looking for is something like..


Once you turn 30 you are tested and if you do not have marketable job skills that will allow to make at least 2x the national average you should be deported.

Aditionally if you lose your job and do not have the new required skills to get another one you should be deported.

So once we get rid of all of these leeches we can stop paying taxes all together, and since the whole nation will be rich, since poor people are kicked out, we will become a strong nation again.


What else am i missing here?

Should we instead run tests a birth?
Or how about we simply prevent the poor from having children?


you are reading a hell of a lot into the statements made here and coming up with assumptions that are totally off base. i can't speak for anyone else but i can clarify my own statements. i have come across many people in real need of assistance and they never get it yet the ones that are PLAYING the system always manage to have everything handed to them. this means that the people in real need end up working 2 and sometimes 3 jobs just to make ends meet and feed their children. Hence the comment about lazy people. i am far from rich and worry every month about making ends meet but be honest here, don't you think that their are a lot of people that ruin the system for everyone else in need?
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First off this is GLP and i think i am being pretty resonable considering...

Second there can be no denying that some people do indeed milk the system, but i argue its much less than GLPers want it to be.

I understand, when one makes statments like
"socical programs have destoryed the nation" or
" if you help people out they will never do anything for themselves"
you need to have that
"people receiving help are lazy leeches"
mentality for the whole reality tunnel to work.
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"On average, a family must earn $38,355 a year, $18.44 an hour, to afford a simple two-bedroom apartment at the 2010 national average fair market rent of $959."

Damn!
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social programs have ruined this country. example video

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Our major cities are low IQ zones. The average IQ of elementary school students in Detroit has been falling for years. Right now it is about 83.

Average IQ is 100 for the rest of America.

The question is why are there so many stupid people in Detroit?

The same thing applies to Chicago, where the average IQ on the south side is 87. Why do so many stupid people in America migrate to the south side of Chicago? Or maybe it is the water they drink?

Kansas City has regions in the city where the average IQ is 87. 87 is very stupid.

Saint Louis has regions where the average IQ is 84.

Our major cities are collapsing because of a wave of retarded people who are almost all on assistance from government. The retarded women on assistance have an average of 5.3 children each, and their average IQ is always retarded.

Maybe we should sterilize them along with their assistance? Sterile women have no retarded children.
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So i guess the platform you guys are looking for is something like..


Once you turn 30 you are tested and if you do not have marketable job skills that will allow to make at least 2x the national average you should be deported.

Aditionally if you lose your job and do not have the new required skills to get another one you should be deported.

So once we get rid of all of these leeches we can stop paying taxes all together, and since the whole nation will be rich, since poor people are kicked out, we will become a strong nation again.


What else am i missing here?

Should we instead run tests a birth?
Or how about we simply prevent the poor from having children?


you are reading a hell of a lot into the statements made here and coming up with assumptions that are totally off base. i can't speak for anyone else but i can clarify my own statements. i have come across many people in real need of assistance and they never get it yet the ones that are PLAYING the system always manage to have everything handed to them. this means that the people in real need end up working 2 and sometimes 3 jobs just to make ends meet and feed their children. Hence the comment about lazy people. i am far from rich and worry every month about making ends meet but be honest here, don't you think that their are a lot of people that ruin the system for everyone else in need?



First off this is GLP and i think i am being pretty resonable considering...

Second there can be no denying that some people do indeed milk the system, but i argue its much less than GLPers want it to be.

I understand, when one makes statments like
"socical programs have destoryed the nation" or
" if you help people out they will never do anything for themselves"
you need to have that
"people receiving help are lazy leeches"
mentality for the whole reality tunnel to work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 950219



I know it hard for you to remember but not everyone is super badass and smart like you.

Many people cannot or do not care to become "smart", that really is the entire root of the problem.

People that can succeed expect everyone else to be able to as well instead of expecting that some people simply cannot cut it.

So you get what we have, GLP thinks these people should simply be disgarded and others think you just have to do things to deal with them.

Would just disgarding these people not evenutally turn them to crime?

I guess that is another way to handle the "have nots" we could just put them in jail.
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Most of you are missing the point. There are simply not enough jobs for the population, not nearly enough - and short of a drastic reduction in population, i.e., massive eugenics die-off (sound familiar?), a large, and growing proportion of the population are simply not necessary. Count all the people in prison, in the military, disabled, in the underground economy, legitamatly unemployed, and you have a huge percentage of the population that are "useless eaters." That's just a fact, and as technology advances, that proportion of useless eaters will only increase. So what kind of jobs are available for those on welfare? There arn't any. And where is the demand in the economy for new goods and services that might fuel new businesses and create new jobs? There is no excess demand anywhere. Are these welfare people all going to go out and start new businesses? Doing what? With what capital? Where is the demand for these new businesses? With off-shoring of what jobs are left to the excess populations in the 3rd world, America has no chance of ever employing it's surplus population. The real question is, what happens to these "surplus" people who have no chance of ever being integrated into productive society? This excess population may well be around 50% of the present population. You people calling for societies abandonment of the poor, you do realize, that taken to it's logical conclusion, your calling for genocide, at least be honest about your positions. There are two viable options, die-off, or organizing society so that it's simply not necessary to hold a job to survive and live a worthwhile life. Take you pick.

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