HOLY SHIT! Nearly 2,000 prophecies fulfilled in the Bible.

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Bullshit.

when they organized the books that they wanted to represent the view of Christianity in 325 AD, they PURPOSELY chose books that validated and verified each other. Most of the books were not written when they originally thought and therefore appeared to make predictions when in fact, the event already happened!

Its a huge con job designed specifically to guilt and control the masses.

Got some proof of that? Just a little?

cool...I like to think what one prophecy will it take to be fulfilled that will make even the most hard core unbeliever go HOLY S**T maybe there is truth to the word of the bible.

The books that were chosen for the New Testament were chosen because of certain criteria. First, it must have been written by an apostle or based on his eyewitness testimony. Second, the book must possess merit and authority in its use. Third, a book must come to be accepted by the entire church, not just a single congregation or area. And lastly, a book must be approved by the decision of the larger church, not just a few advocates. By the mid-second century only Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were accepted universally by the church. The other "gospels" simply did not meet the other four criteria for acceptance.


The books have already been accurately dated by historians, so we know whether or not they were written before the events in which they predict.


Yea right.
The whole "bible conspiracy" nonsense is entirely illogical and absurd. This supposed conspiracy would have had to involve thousands of people over a span of hundreds of years, in order to pull off such an elaborate hoax.

What was the point of such a conspiracy? To teach people to be better humans? LMAO

The bible is so clouded, there is no way of knowing

there are literally millions of individual interprations on it.


Its like looking at the shape of a cloud and people see 40 completely different things.


In the end the bible is just another book floating around in the Cosmos of a billion books.

One man's inspiration is another man's bullshit.

Sure you weren't a christian beforehand. Sure you didn't believe in the bible beforehand. You know one of the commandments is THOU SHALT NOT LIE.

The big problem I have (you should too) with the Bible was that it was translated by King James and his cohorts now think about that for a second a king and his friends translating a bible for the good of England and its empire. Finding a pre-King James bible would be a much better path and extremely beneficial for Christians it would more than likely be much more truthful than his version.

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Give me empirical proof that the bible conspiracy is absurd, including primary source references. If not,

The bible conspiracy is purely speculative and has no evidence to back it up, hence why i call it absurd.

The burden of proof is on you to prove there is such a conspiracy...good luck!

Most won't believe you, even though it is true. It is very sad, pride in thinking we know truth, when we have barely only scratched the surface. Jesus Christ is the only way to the truth. The rest is just a maze of ideology that seems so promising, but leads you in circles.

+1000

I like the cloud analogy. Our brains are wired to see patterns. Basically we see what we want to see and sadly, what we have been programmed to believe.

The Bible is a bunch of bronze age superstition, cleverly packaged by many generations of rulers and slave-masters.

Religion is a tool of the elites to keep the peasants in line. The opiate of the masses.

Not to be confused with spirituality and TRUE CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS.

Most of the new bible translations, NIV, ESV, etc, are considered to be more accurate because biblical scholars have gone back and examined old greek and hebrew texts to ensure the accuracy of their translations to english and other languages.

It is not true that "thousands of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously." What is true is that innumerable "prophecies" have been interpreted afterwards to fit the data. What is also true is that myriad rulers have followed the blueprint of the Bible.


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PROPHECIES: IMAGINARY AND UNFULFILLED
Farrell Till
Prophecy fulfillment is a popular argument that bibliolaters rely on in trying to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. They claim that the Bible is filled with recorded events that prophets foretold years and even centuries before they happened. They argue that there is no way to explain how these predictions could have been so accurately made except to conclude that the Holy Spirit enabled the prophets who uttered them to see into the future. In prophecy fulfillment, then, they see evidence of God's direct involvement in the writing of the Bible.

A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamuses and Edgar Cayces of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, `Let us go after other gods'--which you have not known--`and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for Yahweh your God is testing you to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deut. 13:1-3, NKJV with Yahweh substituted for "the LORD").

By the Bible's own testimony, then, natural psychic ability could offer a perfectly sensible explanation for any example of prophecy that bibliolaters might cite in support of the inerrancy doctrine, but an unbiased contextual examination of the alleged prophecy will very likely uncover an even more rational explanation. Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments.
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And if the two witnesses showed up would y'all believe? Nah...Most of you wouldn't.

If Jesus returned you guys wouldn't believe. Heck if he didn't come out of the clouds with a big noise most Christians wouldn't believe.

But it will come true

crap

I recommend buying a study bible to flesh out any issues you are having with interpretation. The ESV Study bible is a good start.

Ask the Lord to send the Holy Spirit to help you. But Jesus and the Father can't be contained or completely described in a set of books even with the ones that have been lost

Religion tries to shape our brains

Trust me...there are many enlightened people walking the Earth that know its futile to even say anything.


Every once in a blue moon, a brave soul ventures forth and tries to enlighten the masses.

Pissing against a hurricane is a weak analogy in this sense.

The current of disbelief (or close-mindeness) is literally infinite in this world and many others.

Take note that According to Hindu literature, Krishna, the eighth incarnation of the god Vishnu, was born to the virgin Devaki in fulfillment of prophecy and was visited by wise men who had been guided to him by a star. Angels also announced the birth to herdsmen in the nearby countryside. When King Kansa heard about the miraculous birth of this child, he sent men to "kill all the infants in the neighboring places," but a "heavenly voice" whispered to the foster father of Krishna (who, incidentally, was a carpenter) and warned him to take the child and flee across the Jumna river. (In this Hindu legend, we can recognize many parallels to the infancy of Jesus other than the dangerous-child element.)

A study of pagan mythology would establish similar parallels in the stories of Zoroaster (Persian), Perseus and Bacchus (Greek), Horus (Egyptian), Romulus and Remus (Roman), Gautama (the founder of Buddhism), and many others, because various pieces of the dangerous-child myth can be found in the stories of all these pagan gods and prophets. All of these myths antedate, usually by many centuries, Matthew's account of the massacre of the children at Bethlehem. Krishna, for example, was a Hindu savior who allegedly lived in the sixth century B. C., so when a study of ancient world literature shows that an unusual event like the slaughter of the innocents seemed to have happened everywhere, reasonable people will realize that it probably happened nowhere or, at best, that it happened only once and was subsequently plagiarized. Since the story occurs many times before Matthew's version of it, we can only conclude that no such event happened in Bethlehem as Matthew--and only Matthew--claimed. Just like that, then, fundamentalists who put so much stock in prophecy-fulfillment find one of their "fulfillments" vaporizing right before their eyes.
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If Jesus was rummaging around in a dumpster trying to find some scraps and you stumbled on him in the alley and his eyes met yours, would you recognize him ??


Enlightened people simply dont stick out like a sore thumb.

Stop waiting for Jesus.


Save yourself.

WOW That dude is Fat

Truthbeknown.com for a start

Yes it is.

There are certain qualities a prophecy must meet before its considered divine prophecy:

1. It has to be proven that the prediction was made before the event actually happened.

2. There has to be a large enough time gap between the prediction and when that prediction is fulfilled, in order to ensure no manipulation on the part of the person making that prediction, or to ensure that the person wasn't making an educated guess about the near future.

3. The prediction must be of an event that is extremely unlikely to happen.

4. The person making the prediction must be in no position to affect the outcome of the event they predict.

Contrary to this popular delusion, the reality is that, in addition to the enormous amount of bloodshed which accompanies its foundation, Christianity's history is rife with forgery and fraud. So rampant is this treachery and chicanery that any serious researcher must immediately begin to wonder about the story itself.
In truth, the Christian tale has always been as difficult to swallow as the myths and fables of other cultures; yet countless people have been able to overlook the rational mind and to willingly believe it, even though they may equally as easily dismiss the nearly identical stories of these other cultures.

Age of Reason
Thomas Paine [link to www.ushistory.org]

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.


I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.

Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet, as if the way to God was not open to every man alike.

Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.As it is necessary to affix right ideas to words, I will, before I proceed further into the subject, offer some other observations on the word revelation. Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.

No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.

When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

I could care less about the Bible.

Ive extracted the tiny nuggets of truth from about 10 or 12 religions/beliefs/philosophies/shamanism and chuck the chaff.



Everything is given to you at birth.

You get it or dont. In due time you will.

The masses are very difficult to enlighten. They are fast asleep and very easily hypnotized.