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# ZetaTalk LIVE Chat April 24

Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 12:34 PM
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The fact that the night skies would change from the perspective of one on the moon, is because the moon orbits the earth and thus the night sky would change. it does not prove the moon rotates on it's axis. It is does not rotate on its axis and the proof is in the fact we see the same side all the time.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763681

How could the moon keep the same face pointing at the earth WITHOUT rotating?
Menow
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04/25/2010 01:04 PM
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The Moon is only turning once every 28 day because its face is glued to the Earth. In and of itself, it does not rotate.

The moon rotates in and of itself, you're precisely wrong. Here's a timelapse of a simulated lunar day on a moon base near the south pole of the moon (next to Cabeus crater, in fact). The sun and earth both rise and set and the stars whirl by as the moon rotates.

The fact that the night skies would change from the perspective of one on the moon, is because the moon orbits the earth and thus the night sky would change. it does not prove the moon rotates on it's axis. It is does not rotate on its axis and the proof is in the fact we see the same side all the time.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763681

So I guess you think the Sun orbits around Earth once a day, too, because it LOOKS like it does from Earth?
Menow
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04/25/2010 01:09 PM
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The Moon is only turning once every 28 day because its face is glued to the Earth. In and of itself, it does not rotate.

The moon rotates in and of itself, you're precisely wrong. Here's a timelapse of a simulated lunar day on a moon base near the south pole of the moon (next to Cabeus crater, in fact). The sun and earth both rise and set and the stars whirl by as the moon rotates.

The fact that the night skies would change from the perspective of one on the moon, is because the moon orbits the earth and thus the night sky would change. it does not prove the moon rotates on it's axis. It is does not rotate on its axis and the proof is in the fact we see the same side all the time.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763681

So... if Earth suddenly went missing, the stars would no longer rise and set on the Moon? Really?
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 03:55 PM
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Menow..I cant for the life of me wonder why you do this every time.. I don't agree with a lot of shit that gets posted on GLP...but I don't go stalking poster's and try to make them look like fraud's. QUIT FUCKING SHOWING UP AND READING IT YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!

Why do you have a problem with calling a fraud a fraud?

I don't, cause YOU'RE a FRAUD! And a NASA boot-lickin, paid-for fraud. Sux for YOU!
Quoting: User # 78/68

Oh! Another one for the list.
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04/25/2010 04:33 PM
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The Moon is only turning once every 28 day because its face is glued to the Earth. In and of itself, it does not rotate.

The moon rotates in and of itself, you're precisely wrong. Here's a timelapse of a simulated lunar day on a moon base near the south pole of the moon (next to Cabeus crater, in fact). The sun and earth both rise and set and the stars whirl by as the moon rotates.

The fact that the night skies would change from the perspective of one on the moon, is because the moon orbits the earth and thus the night sky would change. it does not prove the moon rotates on it's axis. It is does not rotate on its axis and the proof is in the fact we see the same side all the time.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763681

If the moon did not rotate the stars would not appear to move from the moon's surface. Only the planets and sun would move against the stars very slowly over the course of a year. The moon's orbital motion around the earth contributes negligible amounts of apparent motion to the sun and planets, and absolutely nothing to the stars. I just sowed you what it looks like from the moon's axis; it rotates.
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04/25/2010 04:51 PM

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If the moon did not rotate the stars would not appear to move from the moon's surface. Only the planets and sun would move against the stars very slowly over the course of a year. The moon's orbital motion around the earth contributes negligible amounts of apparent motion to the sun and planets, and absolutely nothing to the stars. I just sowed you what it looks like from the moon's axis; it rotates.
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*that's me
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 05:00 PM
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04/25/2010 05:03 PM
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The Moon is only turning once every 28 day because its face is glued to the Earth. In and of itself, it does not rotate.

The moon rotates in and of itself, you're precisely wrong. Here's a timelapse of a simulated lunar day on a moon base near the south pole of the moon (next to Cabeus crater, in fact). The sun and earth both rise and set and the stars whirl by as the moon rotates.

The fact that the night skies would change from the perspective of one on the moon, is because the moon orbits the earth and thus the night sky would change. it does not prove the moon rotates on it's axis. It is does not rotate on its axis and the proof is in the fact we see the same side all the time.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763681

Wrong. If you stood on the north pole of the moon and looked straight up, you would see the stars rotate once every 29 days. Thus, the moon is indeed rotating.
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 05:04 PM
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The fact that one sees the suns light angle changing daily on the moon is BY DEFINITION the moon rotating in relation to the sun.
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 06:41 PM
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Nancy is wrong as always.
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 07:30 PM
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Oh! Another one for the list.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896329

Well to be honest, the list is becoming kind of pointless.

You know he will never even address point one, let alone the remaining 40 odd points.
picesnator

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04/25/2010 08:26 PM
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say menow just outa of curiosity.....do u have a lighter side or are u always a Seth in wolf clothing....

just kidding.........
Menow
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04/25/2010 08:37 PM
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say menow just outa of curiosity.....do u have a lighter side or are u always a Seth in wolf clothing....

just kidding.........
Quoting: picesnator

You have no idea, Pice... I just strongly object to Nancy's lies and manipulation.
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04/25/2010 08:41 PM
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I don't think it's a contradiction. "Of itself it does not turn." The movement is not independent, it is tied to the earth.

You're looking for ways not to understand what she wrote, not ways to understand it. I know what a real contradiction is, and this isn't it.
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 09:00 PM
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Wow...seems like the Zetas for being so "Advanced" are just as pissy and petty as humans.
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yeah, and they have lefty political views, too!

Imagine that.
Anonymous Coward
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04/25/2010 09:06 PM
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The confusion occurs because the rotation rate of the moon is the same (or very close to) it's orbital rate around the earth so that we always see the same face. If the rotation rate of the moon was every 28 days instead of every 29 days, or every 30 days instead of every 29 days...or ANY rate other than specifically 29 days, then there would be no question that the moon rotates since you would over time see all of its faces. It's only because its rotation rate is synchronous with its orbital rate that people think that its doesn't rotate.

The fact that we see a changing sun angle in the various phases of the moon over a month's time proves that the moon does indeed rotate on its own axis. Like most other natural satellites in the solar system, it is tidally locked to its more massive parent planet. But to say that it is "glued" to the earth is simple ignorance and naivete.
Menow
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04/25/2010 09:20 PM
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I don't think it's a contradiction. "Of itself it does not turn." The movement is not independent, it is tied to the earth.

You're looking for ways not to understand what she wrote, not ways to understand it. I know what a real contradiction is, and this isn't it.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 913496

Nancy is now attempting to massage the "Zeta" claim, after the fact, so that she can make it seem more reasonable. Here are actual "Zeta" statements on the matter. Context for each is given on page 7:

We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate.

Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate.

How could this be when man walked on the Moon, which does not rotate.

Since the Moon does not rotate

Why do some humans claim the Moon rotates?

we have said the Moon does not rotate.

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Next, someone posted a resonable explaination, encompassing the idea that Nancy is only NOW trying to embrace. What did she do? She called the poster a "dork". Here is that exchange:

Nancy Lieder
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4/30/2006 8:26 AM
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> A quote from elle's link:

> "The 27.3 days it takes the Moon to complete one orbit around the Earth is about the same as the time taken for it to complete one rotation. This synchronous rotation means that it always shows the same face to the Earth."

> i.e. The moon ROTATES on its axis in 27.3 days.

No dork, YOU are attempting to put words in Elle's link. That link does NOT say the Moon rotates, it says it orbits.

The Moon is not turning, which is rotation, is it glued to the Earth, one side of it glued to the Earth and the other side perpetually facing outward from the Earth. This is different than 'rotation'

Definition: rotation: The turning or spinning of a body about an axis running through it.

Thus for the Moon to be rotating, it must be spinning about its OWN axis, not glued to something else and thus changing its position when that something else moves. If you hold a book in front of you, pages to your nose, and turn in a complete circle, the BOOK did not turn in a circle, YOU did.

Duh!

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Note how Nancy says that the poster is trying to falsely insert words? Well, the words *IS* clearly included in the cited passage. The word in question is: ROTATION. Don't you see where that word *IS* in the cited passage? I bolded it for clarity. So why did Nancy call the poster a "dork" and falsely say that the word(s) weren't really there?

Oh and, by the way... Earth is tied to the Sun like the Moon is tied to the Earth. Does that mean Earth is not rotating?

Would the Moon not be rotating if Earth suddenly went missing?

Yes, the Moon is rotating "of itself". Earth is not causing Lunar rotation just because it affects Lunar rotation!
Menow
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04/25/2010 09:26 PM
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PS: NOW, Nancy is attempting to play BOTH sides by saying that the Moon "turns", but doesn't "rotate". She is playing word games, pure and simple.

Oh, and rest assured that Nancy is reading every word of this and working on a way to save face. If she can't figure out a way to massage the language enough to make herself "right", she will simply ignore the matter from now on and ban anyone who challenges her further on it. That is how she has operated since 1995.
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04/26/2010 09:09 AM
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PS: NOW, Nancy is attempting to play BOTH sides by saying that the Moon "turns", but doesn't "rotate". She is playing word games, pure and simple.

Oh, and rest assured that Nancy is reading every word of this and working on a way to save face. If she can't figure out a way to massage the language enough to make herself "right", she will simply ignore the matter from now on and ban anyone who challenges her further on it. That is how she has operated since 1995.
Quoting: Menow 935048

No Menow, it is YOU that is being deceptive here. Nancy is quite clear on this on why the moon appears to turn as it is "glued" to the Earth, with the same side facing the Earth. You are using semantic games as usual. Get a life and go to threads you have an interest in ... shill.
Halcyon Dayz, FCD
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04/26/2010 10:02 AM

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You are using semantic games as usual.
Quoting: User # 78/68

Hypocrites here
Hypocrites there
Hypocrites ...

I can't get it to rhyme, but you get the drift.

You are a joke.

An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. — Don Marquis

Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.

Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
Menow
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04/26/2010 01:18 PM
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PS: NOW, Nancy is attempting to play BOTH sides by saying that the Moon "turns", but doesn't "rotate". She is playing word games, pure and simple.

Oh, and rest assured that Nancy is reading every word of this and working on a way to save face. If she can't figure out a way to massage the language enough to make herself "right", she will simply ignore the matter from now on and ban anyone who challenges her further on it. That is how she has operated since 1995.

No Menow, it is YOU that is being deceptive here. Nancy is quite clear on this on why the moon appears to turn as it is "glued" to the Earth, with the same side facing the Earth. You are using semantic games as usual. Get a life and go to threads you have an interest in ... shill.
Quoting: User # 78/68

Lord you're thick, Menow. If you are dancing around the floor with a dead woman in your arms, SHE is not twirling around, you are dragging her around. The Moon is only turning once every 28 day because its face is glued to the Earth. In and of itself, it does not rotate.

She doesn't say "APPEARS TO TURN" as you falsely stated.
She says (now) that the Moon *IS* turning in direct contradiction to her previous "does NOT turn" statement. Did you miss where I provided the quotes? Poor baby!

By the way, what does "glued to the Earth" mean?
User # 78/68

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04/27/2010 12:02 PM
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There are MANY things you will never be "allowed" to understand Menow. Your handlers determine what you are allowed to say and understand. Funny that!
Menow
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04/27/2010 12:06 PM
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There are MANY things you will never be "allowed" to understand Menow. Your handlers determine what you are allowed to say and understand. Funny that!
Quoting: User # 78/68

Really... So is the Moon "turning" or NOT "turning"? Not allowed to answer? Telling, that!
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04/27/2010 12:16 PM
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Luser probably thinks the top half of the Moon rotates while the bottom half stays still.

He'd sure as hell believe that in Nancy told him so.

The boy isn't bright.
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04/29/2010 12:17 AM
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Luser probably thinks the top half of the Moon rotates while the bottom half stays still.

He'd sure as hell believe that in Nancy told him so.

The boy isn't bright.
Quoting: Returner 997

"... in Nancy told him so."

Hey brainiac ... let's talk about bright, shall we???

Wow!