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Anonymous Coward User ID: 925360 United States 04/25/2010 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think they should let anyone who can afford the payments on them to just move in and buy it by part of their payment going to the purchase of the house, that would get allot off the market and allow people who can afford the monthly payments but not the downpayment and closing costs to own a home. Then at least the house is being lived in and taken care of, instead of just letting them sit there and rot. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 910284 United States 04/25/2010 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why they need to get the prices down and start clearing inventory. But the Politicians don't want the banks to suffer, so they're keeping prices up with their stupid 8K "incentives", etc. The pols would rather keep you homeless and/or in overpriced homes than hurt their Bankster Buddies. We've got a problem here, fellow Americans. Our elected polticians are on the side of Wall Street derivative traders and the really big Banks. They could give a sh*t about us. If you didn't already suspect that.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 910284 United States 04/25/2010 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think they should let anyone who can afford the payments on them to just move in and buy it by part of their payment going to the purchase of the house, that would get allot off the market and allow people who can afford the monthly payments but not the downpayment and closing costs to own a home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360Then at least the house is being lived in and taken care of, instead of just letting them sit there and rot. No. If they do that, you'll just be a slave to the Bank for the rest of your life. You will never OWN the house. The law of supply and demand means prices need to plummet in this situation. But, I expect that this Congress would rather bulldoze homes to bring supply down than let prices fall to where they should be. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 925360 United States 04/25/2010 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats ok we are gonna vote all of them out pretty soon...no more family politicians who get elected just because a family member was elected to an office, no more corporate and union lovers...no more richies...who don't know what its like to be an average person here and no more Socialists or Communists trying to destroy us! The people are taking the Republic back..despite them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 925360 United States 04/25/2010 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The only solution is to fill the houses and get them off the market..even if the banks have to take a loss..something is better than nothing..once the housing market has evened out then new homes can be built again. Like i said before, put people in those houses and get them off the market, there are hundreds of thousands of people out there with ok credit but not enough money for the downpayment or closing costs..put them in those houses ..they can afford the monthly payments and would take care of them ..especially new home owners who havent been able to buy a home. If they let the houses sit there and rot then the bank can't sell them and they lose all the money anyway..least this way the bank can recoup a big portion of the money owed on the huose and everybody's happy. |
femme flambe User ID: 950260 United States 04/25/2010 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.financialarmageddon.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905800but the added supply of distressed homes would weigh heavily on prices — and thus boost their losses. And that's where the truth lies, whoever is holding these properties do not want to flood the market so the market price drop (AS IT SHOULD) would not depress it further. Hence no deals, even though there is 9 years of inventory. And how does it feel to be paying for it? Last Edited by femme flambe on 04/25/2010 02:08 AM I live for a better tomorrow; where chickins will cross roads without having their motives questioned. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 910284 United States 04/25/2010 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are hundreds of thousands of people out there with ok credit but not enough money for the downpayment or closing costs..put them in those houses ..they can afford the monthly payments and would take care of them ..especially new home owners who havent been able to buy a home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360If they let the houses sit there and rot then the bank can't sell them and they lose all the money anyway..least this way the bank can recoup a big portion of the money owed on the huose and everybody's happy. Yeah, you're plan is great for the Banks, but sucks for the people. Why would you "make payments " on an overpriced house from here to eternity when you could just buy it for 80% off and own free and clear?? But, this Congress will probably adopt your debt-slave plan. It'd be a windfall for the Banks and Derivative Traders. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 951279 United States 04/25/2010 02:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | like dimitri orlov says, russia survived their collapse in part due to no one lost their homes. the government just signed them over to the people living in them. they also still had production capacity. we are homeless with no factories or farms to work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 834693 United States 04/25/2010 02:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why they need to get the prices down and start clearing inventory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 910284But the Politicians don't want the banks to suffer, so they're keeping prices up with their stupid 8K "incentives", etc. The pols would rather keep you homeless and/or in overpriced homes than hurt their Bankster Buddies. We've got a problem here, fellow Americans. Our elected polticians are on the side of Wall Street derivative traders and the really big Banks. They could give a sh*t about us. If you didn't already suspect that.... Your dead on. But our "ELECTED" politicians work for the banks. They hop around like little bunnies. One day they work for Goldman, the next they work for the government. And then back to Goldman. And we call it democracy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 952114 United States 04/25/2010 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats ok we are gonna vote all of them out pretty soon...no more family politicians who get elected just because a family member was elected to an office, no more corporate and union lovers...no more richies...who don't know what its like to be an average person here and no more Socialists or Communists trying to destroy us! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360The people are taking the Republic back..despite them. |
Olibow User ID: 769657 United States 04/25/2010 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think everyone should start squatting in the empty houses. Possession is 9/10's and then you can start services and they still have to evict you.... better than being homeless.... Let's beat them at their own game, and then start a cottage industry of house sitters that live in the other houses so squatters don't stay there. problem solved..... ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~ From ED TV (1999) I feel that Ed (TV) is the apotheosis of a prevailing American syndrome. It used to be that someone became famous because they were special. Now people are considered special just for being famous. Fame, itself, is now a moral good in this country. It's its own virtue. |
9teen.47™ User ID: 952437 United Kingdom 04/25/2010 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hence no deals, even though there is 9 years of inventory. Quoting: femme flambeAnd how does it feel to be paying for it? I'm renting. But being an OAP the council pays the landlord. Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 04/25/2010 03:00 AM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
Geode nli User ID: 906497 United States 04/25/2010 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is even worse than all of you are saying, and the reason is because of the way that the Federal Reserve system works with regard to leverage. The banks get 90% of their funds from the Federal Reserve at a 10 to 1 multiple of the amount of cash they have in their financial institution!!! If a bank has 10 million dollars of deposits in their bank, then the Federal Reserve will loan them 100 million dollars at prime interest. The bank can then loan out 90 million dollars at prime plus a few percent extra which enables the bank to make let's say 3% net profit on 90 million dollars that they only received due to their 10 million net which existed in their bank from depositors. Thus, they are able to profit 3% of 90 million, which is $2.7 million which is 27% net return on their $10 million. That is the power of leverage, and is the power that bankers utilize to make fortunes on the backs of us all!!! Leverage can cut both ways however, and inverse leverage is threating to bankrupt the whole financial system due to their unconscienable GREED!!! The real problem that is causing the bankers to sit on their "inventory" of bank owned properties(REO's) is that once they sell an under-water house for a hundred thousand dollars less than what the loan was on their books, the leverage instantly reverses and it is stacked ten to one against them. They then are qualified for $1 million less from the Fed, and they have to come up with another actual $100,000 in deposits to remain solvent. Multiply this times the number of homes on the banks books, and the amount underwater that those homes are and you can see why most banks now would be bankrupt and the FDIC auditors would be forced to close them down. But guess what, the FDIC is out of $, and if most of the banks were insolvent also then the FDIC couldn't put together these shotgun marriages where a sick bank is made to "buy" a bankrupt one. The banks are not being made to "mark to market" the actual value that they could realize by selling the asset they are holding on their books at often twice or more what they could sell it for. Market prices would crater if they were made to sell them for what they are worth because there are so many of them with only a few buyers out there ready to buy, even if they could afford it. Huge (and growing) numbers of people are waiting until after confirmation that the bottom of the RE plunge has been realized before putting their hard earned savings into a home that could gobble up their downpayment and go underwater a year or two from now. It's a dwindling spiral, the worse it gets, the worser it will get, until it reachest the worsest it will get which will probably be a very long time from now. The thing that scares governments most of all is the fact that property taxes make up a huge amount of their revenues at the city, county, and state levels, and as property values plunge, so does their revenue. Most of their beaurocratic workers, and their pension plans are funded off of this tax base that is plunging since the tax is a percentage of the properties assessed value. If homes values drop in half, then their revenues drop in half, which means that services will have to be cut which means laying off a bunch of govt. workers, which means that they can't afford their homes, etc., etc. The banks are living a lie and just hoping against hope that there will be a recovery and the housing markets will recover, and that underwater homes will rise enough for the banks to get out from under the inverted pyramid that has crushed them. Until not that long ago, mark to market has always been the way financial institutions were required to report their financial status on profit and loss statements and SEC documents. If banks were made to do that now most all of them would have to close their doors and the whole economy would come to a screeching halt!!! So don't hold your breath for wholesale/going out of business types of discounts to come to the housing market anytime soon, at least as regards REO/bank-owned homes. |
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Irdoooomed User ID: 952514 United States 04/25/2010 05:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think they should let anyone who can afford the payments on them to just move in and buy it by part of their payment going to the purchase of the house, that would get allot off the market and allow people who can afford the monthly payments but not the downpayment and closing costs to own a home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360Then at least the house is being lived in and taken care of, instead of just letting them sit there and rot. Why would they do that? It's better to rent those properties and flip them for the insurance money. Twenty grand dood, it's a lot of money! Recently homosexuals have been making anti christian threads. Think about it. |
TEXAS UNCENSORED, nli User ID: 952255 United States 04/25/2010 06:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think they should let anyone who can afford the payments on them to just move in and buy it by part of their payment going to the purchase of the house, that would get allot off the market and allow people who can afford the monthly payments but not the downpayment and closing costs to own a home. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 925360Then at least the house is being lived in and taken care of, instead of just letting them sit there and rot. That requires common sense. There is no indication that the banking system or Wall Street has any of that. If they ever did, it was probably sold in and split into so many pieces that finding it requires too much time working instead of watching porn. But, that is just my common sense opinion of course. |
Andromeda User ID: 946938 United States 04/25/2010 06:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | like dimitri orlov says, russia survived their collapse in part due to no one lost their homes. the government just signed them over to the people living in them. they also still had production capacity. we are homeless with no factories or farms to work. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 951279Here's where I deeply disagree with the bank bailouts. We should have bailed out homeowners, not banks. The banks just fold when they go bust. But homeowners support the real economy and if they are under water for 10 years, so is the whole economy. So we have the worst of both world now. (1) we have zombie banks -- sick banks that don't lend because their balance sheets are full of inflated derivatives that actually have no value and that they can't sell -- and (2) credit-strapped, debt-laden homeowners who can't spend for years and years. Last Edited by Andromeda on 04/25/2010 06:50 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 709535 United States 04/25/2010 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think everyone should start squatting in the empty houses. Possession is 9/10's and then you can start services and they still have to evict you.... better than being homeless.... Quoting: OlibowLet's beat them at their own game, and then start a cottage industry of house sitters that live in the other houses so squatters don't stay there. problem solved..... +1,000 |
Nailer45 User ID: 949126 United States 04/25/2010 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this info should bring house prices down. Housing prices at this time are way over inflated. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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Falconia User ID: 932178 United States 04/25/2010 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is even worse than all of you are saying, and the reason is because of the way that the Federal Reserve system works with regard to leverage. The banks get 90% of their funds from the Federal Reserve at a 10 to 1 multiple of the amount of cash they have in their financial institution!!! If a bank has 10 million dollars of deposits in their bank, then the Federal Reserve will loan them 100 million dollars at prime interest. The bank can then loan out 90 million dollars at prime plus a few percent extra which enables the bank to make let's say 3% net profit on 90 million dollars that they only received due to their 10 million net which existed in their bank from depositors. Thus, they are able to profit 3% of 90 million, which is $2.7 million which is 27% net return on their $10 million. That is the power of leverage, and is the power that bankers utilize to make fortunes on the backs of us all!!! Quoting: Geode nli 906497Leverage can cut both ways however, and inverse leverage is threating to bankrupt the whole financial system due to their unconscienable GREED!!! The real problem that is causing the bankers to sit on their "inventory" of bank owned properties(REO's) is that once they sell an under-water house for a hundred thousand dollars less than what the loan was on their books, the leverage instantly reverses and it is stacked ten to one against them. They then are qualified for $1 million less from the Fed, and they have to come up with another actual $100,000 in deposits to remain solvent. Multiply this times the number of homes on the banks books, and the amount underwater that those homes are and you can see why most banks now would be bankrupt and the FDIC auditors would be forced to close them down. But guess what, the FDIC is out of $, and if most of the banks were insolvent also then the FDIC couldn't put together these shotgun marriages where a sick bank is made to "buy" a bankrupt one. The banks are not being made to "mark to market" the actual value that they could realize by selling the asset they are holding on their books at often twice or more what they could sell it for. Market prices would crater if they were made to sell them for what they are worth because there are so many of them with only a few buyers out there ready to buy, even if they could afford it. Huge (and growing) numbers of people are waiting until after confirmation that the bottom of the RE plunge has been realized before putting their hard earned savings into a home that could gobble up their downpayment and go underwater a year or two from now. It's a dwindling spiral, the worse it gets, the worser it will get, until it reachest the worsest it will get which will probably be a very long time from now. The thing that scares governments most of all is the fact that property taxes make up a huge amount of their revenues at the city, county, and state levels, and as property values plunge, so does their revenue. Most of their beaurocratic workers, and their pension plans are funded off of this tax base that is plunging since the tax is a percentage of the properties assessed value. If homes values drop in half, then their revenues drop in half, which means that services will have to be cut which means laying off a bunch of govt. workers, which means that they can't afford their homes, etc., etc. The banks are living a lie and just hoping against hope that there will be a recovery and the housing markets will recover, and that underwater homes will rise enough for the banks to get out from under the inverted pyramid that has crushed them. Until not that long ago, mark to market has always been the way financial institutions were required to report their financial status on profit and loss statements and SEC documents. If banks were made to do that now most all of them would have to close their doors and the whole economy would come to a screeching halt!!! So don't hold your breath for wholesale/going out of business types of discounts to come to the housing market anytime soon, at least as regards REO/bank-owned homes. BINGO! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835682 United States 04/25/2010 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this info should bring house prices down. Quoting: Nailer45Housing prices at this time are way over inflated. I agree. Why keep the market over inflated? No one will buy a house that could lose value. Let the bottom drop, then people will buy! OMG, if people were stupid enough to want an over priced house without using common sense that the bubble would burst, then let them keep paying for the damn thing. you have to allow for supply and demand to take over or we will hit a low so low it will make Detroit look like a joke. Long term investors/owners will see that money and value return if they can just suck it up. |