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Vampires, Zombies, and Werewolves: Human behavior archetypes?

 
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My analysis of the 3 as human behavior archetypes:
(Feel free to add your own take)

Vampires - exists off the life force(energy,attention) of others. Act inhuman towards others. Once you are "used" by people like this, you often act the same way.

(Funny sidenote)I have known people like this who hate the smell of garlic. Like really really hate it.


Zombies - dumb people who exist of others ideas (eat brains). They seem almost inhuman in this regard. They dont strive just mindlessly walk around in search of others "brains" (ideas). Why don't zombies eat their own brains? You never see just 1 zombie. It's always masses of zombies, dragging their feet all beat and disgusting looking. To me zombies are an analogy for the sheeple.

Werewolves - when something sets them off they become intoxicated with anger. Uncontrollable. Often regret what they do when they are no longer angry. Could represent just the beast in man in general.
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Dragons - Considering that the dragon is part of the human psyche. Id say it would be sexual energy beings that after not having sex for a very long time you begin to feel very powerful, more creative, can think "clearer", but also feel this almost uncontrollable feeling to act. There is definitely something fiery about this feeling.

The dragon guards treasure, if you can defeat it or as I like to think about it, tame it. You can get to the treasure. The treasure being self-actualization or higher states of consciousness.

Wiki - [link to en.wikipedia.org]
(The English word "dragon" derives from Greek δράκων (drákōn), "dragon, serpent of huge size, water-snake", which probably comes from the verb δρακεῖν (drakeîn) "to see clearly".[1]

Greek δέρκομαι dérkomai = "I see", derkeîn = "to see", and originally likely meant "that which sees", or "that which flashes or gleams" (perhaps referring to reflective scales). This is the origin of the word "dragon")
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Interesting...
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interesting post
I agree with the vampire thing and have written about it, the zombie theory is okay too but not so sure I agree with the werewolf one

to find the archetype you need to look more closely, werewolves are traditionally restricted to the full moon which is essentially feminine in nature, the full moon is also symbolic of madness, the wolf is a pack animal and the females very protective, for me the werewolf is more symbolic of the savage inner female banshee, the part of us that is primal and anti social,she protects her own and nothing else.

thanks for bringing this up, I need to think further on the werewolf one..there's something in it.
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interesting post
I agree with the vampire thing and have written about it, the zombie theory is okay too but not so sure I agree with the werewolf one

to find the archetype you need to look more closely, werewolves are traditionally restricted to the full moon which is essentially feminine in nature, the full moon is also symbolic of madness, the wolf is a pack animal and the females very protective, for me the werewolf is more symbolic of the savage inner female banshee, the part of us that is primal and anti social,she protects her own and nothing else.

thanks for bringing this up, I need to think further on the werewolf one..there's something in it.
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very interesting about the moon being female didn't think about that.

Could be the full revelation of the Female that brings the beast in man out.
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yes
been reading a lot lately about how society doesn't like the fact we need sex, and women are a constant reminder and temptation to man.
complex stuff
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I believe all ancient stories are allegories and are not meant to be taken too literal. I think it makes the best kind of story too.

Even the bible, seems largely allegorical to me. I wish I could read Hebrew to read it as it was meant to be read.

For instance the image of the apple being the fruit that adam and eve ate is simply derived from Latin. malus = “bad”, malum = “an evil”, malus = “apple tree” and “mast of a ship”, malum = “apple (fruit)”. If I had to guess what the bad deed was, id say sex for pleasure. As fruit has very sexual characteristics to it.
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Vampires - Use charm initially on members of the opposite sex combined with a positively irresistable hypnotic effect that maked members of the opposite sex "zombies for Jack, or zombies for Jill". However, shortly thereafter Jack or Jill will find that the once charming creature is parasitic, most often on their finances and insatiable as far as repeating the charm-hypnotic abilities wherever they find fresh "zombies to be". Vampires shapeshift into homocidal states if their "control" is threatened. Alchol really seems to exagerate that condition. Vampires are very mediumistic and pick up discarnates easily. They obviously are extremely controlling types. Probably because control many times is something that because of their mediumistic tendencies is illusive to them. So they become obsessed with controlling others.

Some female vampires are simply you average selfish bitch. There is nothing charming about them. They just are 100% selfish. Out of this shallowness they are depleating on others. They can however be dealt with placated and though not top shelf acquantinances can be counted on somewhat. Albeit, they are in it for what they can get for themselves.


Traditional Zombie. Effected by toxin(s) and/or disease. Damaged goods.


Werewolves. Can't stay in one place more than several hours. Constantly trying to not have a shapeshifting event when their rage manifests. Females are passive agressive. There aggression may be acting out in ways that are repulsive and obnoxious. There default is rage. They were a mask to cover this fact. It doesn't fit well. Tney act out every 10 mins or so. Many are more palatable under the influence of alcohol (that is if YOU are drinking) otherwise their mere presence is something you want to flee.


Vampires in my opinion shapeshift much more dramatically that werewolves as they are so mediumistic. Werewolves, if they are very pure bloodline shapeshift with an etheric snout at the time of their rage. A male werewolf can seriously be powerful, i.e., you could feel a powerful male werewolf unload a lightning force bolt of rage in another room. Their rage power is enough to cause manifestations. The most pronounced I have noticed is that they can increase the force of gravity in the area. One feels like they are being forcefully weighted at those times.

This is based on my cohabitation over the years with two male vampires and one female werewolf.

I was the zombie chick for the vamp boys. Figures.
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Nope, sorry it was a male vampire, a female werewolf and a male werewolf.
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Maggots - people who love to wallow in filth.
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Incubus and Succubus
The obvious implications

Hero is often the self overcoming inner issues that the monsters in the stories represent or the changes that need to be made to defeat the monsters.




"The essence of the hero is not bravery or nobility, but self-sacrifice. The mythic hero is one who will endure separation and hardship for the sake of his clan. The hero must pay a price to obtain his goal.

The hero's journey during a story is a path from the ego, the self, to a new identity which has grown to include the experiences of the story. This path often consists of a separation from family or group to a new, unfamiliar and challenging world (even if it's his own back yard), and finally a return to the ordinary, but now expanded, world.

The hero must learn in order to grow. Often the heart of a story is not the obstacles he faces, but the new wisdom he acquires, from a mentor, a lover, or even from the villain.

Other characters besides the protagonist can have heroic qualities. This can be especially true of the antagonist."

[link to www.svsoft.com]

Heroes can be willing and adventurous, or reluctant. They may be group and family oriented, or loners. They may change and grow themselves, or act as catalysts for others to grow and act heroic. The hero can be an innocent, a wanderer, a martyr, a warrior, a vengeful destroyer, a ruler, or a fool. But the essence of the hero is the sacrifice he makes to achieve his goal.
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I agree with the Jungian view on these mythical creatures. To take it even further, it somehow makes sense to me that every single creature on this earth represents aspects of human beings. The owl (wisdome), the cat (femininity), the parasite (psychopath), the bat (light shy, dark) and so on. I'm not implying that us humans have these traits because of animals. The animals are like that because they are manifestations of constants, or laws if you will. Humans are subject to these same constants, much like we are bound by the laws of gravity.

For the last 40 years, we have been taught that there are no absolutes, and that everything is relative and subjective. These same people are the ones who have been pushing atheism and feminism down our throats. Why? Because they do not accept that we are subject to the LAW of God. Free will is the freedom to break these laws. Sin is to choose to do so.
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I agree with the Jungian view on these mythical creatures. To take it even further, it somehow makes sense to me that every single creature on this earth represents aspects of human beings. The owl (wisdome), the cat (femininity), the parasite (psychopath), the bat (light shy, dark) and so on. I'm not implying that us humans have these traits because of animals. The animals are like that because they are manifestations of constants, or laws if you will. Humans are subject to these same constants, much like we are bound by the laws of gravity.

For the last 40 years, we have been taught that there are no absolutes, and that everything is relative and subjective. These same people are the ones who have been pushing atheism and feminism down our throats. Why? Because they do not accept that we are subject to the LAW of God. Free will is the freedom to break these laws. Sin is to choose to do so.
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interesting

Have you ever noticed how sexual fruit is? A grapefruit eaten the right way, looks like a vagina, almost exactly. A banana has its obvious implications.
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I agree with the Jungian view on these mythical creatures. To take it even further, it somehow makes sense to me that every single creature on this earth represents aspects of human beings. The owl (wisdome), the cat (femininity), the parasite (psychopath), the bat (light shy, dark) and so on. I'm not implying that us humans have these traits because of animals. The animals are like that because they are manifestations of constants, or laws if you will. Humans are subject to these same constants, much like we are bound by the laws of gravity.

For the last 40 years, we have been taught that there are no absolutes, and that everything is relative and subjective. These same people are the ones who have been pushing atheism and feminism down our throats. Why? Because they do not accept that we are subject to the LAW of God. Free will is the freedom to break these laws. Sin is to choose to do so.

interesting

Have you ever noticed how sexual fruit is? A grapefruit eaten the right way, looks like a vagina, almost exactly. A banana has its obvious implications.
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What you mention are examples of what I'm talking about. However, I'm not sure how sexual they are besides their shape? They certainly allude to pleasure and lust. A beautiful flower smells of fragrance. An ugly insect eating plant smells of death.

For something to exist, it must exist somewhere. Even a thought which comes to you at night must already exist in some form or another.
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I have always been interested in researching these constants in the same manner one would study the speed of light. It looks as if I'll pursue a PhD in the near future, and I would love to set up some experiments. In secret of course, so as to not lose all credibility.
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Remember Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan, werewolves and the like are creatures that happen during deep dark rituals in the mountain jungles of south America.
Things legends are made of.
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I have always been interested in researching these constants in the same manner one would study the speed of light. It looks as if I'll pursue a PhD in the near future, and I would love to set up some experiments. In secret of course, so as to not lose all credibility.
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you're a smart man.

yeah i was just adding to your thoughts with the fruit thing. Not that I become aroused or think sexual thoughts while eating fruits, just made a curious discovery while eating a grapefruit. Made me think that the shape of life remains constant in plants and animals alike.

Then you synchronicities... which are along the same lines, but metaphysical, not as easy to talk about or understand objectively.
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I have always been interested in researching these constants in the same manner one would study the speed of light. It looks as if I'll pursue a PhD in the near future, and I would love to set up some experiments. In secret of course, so as to not lose all credibility.

you're a smart man.

yeah i was just adding to your thoughts with the fruit thing. Not that I become aroused or think sexual thoughts while eating fruits, just made a curious discovery while eating a grapefruit. Made me think that the shape of life remains constant in plants and animals alike.

Then you synchronicities... which are along the same lines, but metaphysical, not as easy to talk about or understand objectively.
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Good point. Synchronicity shows that two unrelated events can share a common meaning. How most people are completely blind to these things are a mystery to me.
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Human behavior and the archetypes... :)

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LOVED IT! Absolutely loved the insight about these archetypes.

But slightly disagree with the person who cockily said

"These same people are the ones who have been pushing atheism and feminism down our throats. Why? Because they do not accept that we are subject to the LAW of God. Free will is the freedom to break these laws. Sin is to choose to do so."

I'm not an atheist -- by far! But I *am* the kind of person who doesn't answer my own questions with narrow conclusions. I listen to what people try to say, and so long as it's reasonable, I respect it.

As for "God's laws" which god? There were many that predate the one we worship now (from the 2k year old bible) and he (yes, he's male, the bible talks about his phallus 3 times in different verses) has changed with time.. depending on how society evolves. We no longer grant him human or animal sacrifice, we no longer blame women for everything (thanks for feminism) etc etc..

So yeah, the god we worship now doesn't have laws, which is why he has to (quite threateningly) "force them down our throats." Cause otherwise, we wouldn't abide -- naturally -- to such unnatural thoughts such as the Creator being the father (when Nature says otherwise -- even for plants and animals lol)

And for the person who said "Adam and Eve ate the apple" it wasn't an apple... it was a fruit that supposedly no longer exists. ¬.¬

But still a interesting analogy.

Keep in mind, I mean no offense... but what you said about a huge group of people was innacurate and I wanted to clarify. At best, I did. At worst, I ended up reflecting what you did and being offensive. ^^;;

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An insightful post.
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My analysis of the 3 as human behavior archetypes:
(Feel free to add your own take)

Vampires - exists off the life force(energy,attention) of others. Act inhuman towards others. Once you are "used" by people like this, you often act the same way.

(Funny sidenote)I have known people like this who hate the smell of garlic. Like really really hate it.


Zombies - dumb people who exist of others ideas (eat brains). They seem almost inhuman in this regard. They dont strive just mindlessly walk around in search of others "brains" (ideas). Why don't zombies eat their own brains? You never see just 1 zombie. It's always masses of zombies, dragging their feet all beat and disgusting looking. To me zombies are an analogy for the sheeple.

Werewolves - when something sets them off they become intoxicated with anger. Uncontrollable. Often regret what they do when they are no longer angry. Could represent just the beast in man in general.
 Quoting: Endlessly Striving 952573


excellent ideas!

And on a different but related not, I think the new fad with vampires and werewolves, isn't because people want to suck blood or change into wolves. It's because people are eating crap food and are very sickly. And the current flavor of vampire is a super-healthy good looking person. That's the fantasy.

The sad thing is you don't need to suck blood to be fit and good looking. You just need to eat more fruits and veggies. lol
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interesting post
I agree with the vampire thing and have written about it, the zombie theory is okay too but not so sure I agree with the werewolf one

to find the archetype you need to look more closely, werewolves are traditionally restricted to the full moon which is essentially feminine in nature, the full moon is also symbolic of madness, the wolf is a pack animal and the females very protective, for me the werewolf is more symbolic of the savage inner female banshee, the part of us that is primal and anti social,she protects her own and nothing else.

thanks for bringing this up, I need to think further on the werewolf one..there's something in it.
 Quoting: dysfunctional mystic


nah. I think OP had it right to begin with. Animalistic blind rage and all.
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this is an interesting thread and I've never thought of these ideas before.

obvious conditioning through media, if you ask me.
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I find this thread very interesting.. Actually had a moment of "knowing" as i read some of it, a sudden surge if you will. Will definately keep an eye on this thread. Although i do believe that real fanged Vampires exists aswell... through rituals or bite you can become one, with deep enough meditation and real material at hand. Also goes for werekin.. The true manifestation if you will.
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My analysis of the 3 as human behavior archetypes:
(Feel free to add your own take)

Vampires - exists off the life force(energy,attention) of others. Act inhuman towards others. Once you are "used" by people like this, you often act the same way.

(Funny sidenote)I have known people like this who hate the smell of garlic. Like really really hate it.


Zombies - dumb people who exist of others ideas (eat brains). They seem almost inhuman in this regard. They dont strive just mindlessly walk around in search of others "brains" (ideas). Why don't zombies eat their own brains? You never see just 1 zombie. It's always masses of zombies, dragging their feet all beat and disgusting looking. To me zombies are an analogy for the sheeple.

Werewolves - when something sets them off they become intoxicated with anger. Uncontrollable. Often regret what they do when they are no longer angry. Could represent just the beast in man in general.
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This post strikes a chord with me, especially about the werewolves. The werewolf has always been my favorite of the mythical monsters. I also tend to be fairly laid back on the outside but on the inside am struggling with my anger and when set off I can fly into a rage. I have always struggled with my anger and have often regretted and felt bad after going into a rage. mind you, I have never hit someone because of it but have put holes in walls and broken material objects because I have felt the need to destroy something.

On the vampire note. I can see my wife being on of these. She definitely wants to always be the center of attention and feeds off the energy it gives her. Acting indifferent towards others feelings as well.

Thanks for this thread.

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