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Andromeda User ID: 946938 United States 04/26/2010 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People say writing is "convoluted" when you don't make your points clearly, using well-constructed sentences written with a consistent grammar style and building a coherent argument structure systematically, so that as they read, they have to keep a growing collection of points and ideas in their head and sometimes it fails to all come together because people lose track of the points you are trying to make and/or because they lose interest. |
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Oscar Godolphin User ID: 953751 United States 04/26/2010 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575Hemingway is considered one of this country's greatest writers. He never used big words or big sentences and he painted vivid pictures. "sophisticated" doesn't equate to good writing. Last Edited by Oscar Godolphin on 04/26/2010 05:37 PM |
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Rev-bo User ID: 538751 United States 04/26/2010 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575By most normal people, it probably would be, if they knew the meaning of the word. I seem to remember that most news articles are written at something like a 10th grade level, so the average reader could understand. Your post above is fairly sophisticated writing; sophisticated enough that I would think you would know the definition of "convoluted." Were you asking a rhetorical question? John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 643026 United Kingdom 04/26/2010 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575What is a 'layman reader'? |
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Dr.Walter.Bishop User ID: 953527 United Kingdom 04/26/2010 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575Nope. just pretentious. Atheist |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 953713 United States 04/26/2010 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643026What is a 'layman reader'? someone who doesn't understand what convoluted means. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is nice but it does not answer my question. Does the use of sophisticated sentence structure & grandiose verbiage constitute "convoluted" writing? What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Oscar GodolphinHemingway is considered one of this country's greatest writers. He never used big words or big sentences and he painted vivid pictures. "sophisticated" doesn't equate to good writing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 751533 United States 04/26/2010 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is nice but it does not answer my question. Does the use of sophisticated sentence structure & grandiose verbiage constitute "convoluted" writing? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Hemingway is considered one of this country's greatest writers. He never used big words or big sentences and he painted vivid pictures. "sophisticated" doesn't equate to good writing. You're obviously trying too hard to be eccentric and theatrical, as a result your writing style is overwhelming the message you're trying to convey. Pull it back a notch skipper and stop trying to be so sophisticated. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. It was not a rhetorical question. My grad professor took a cheap shot at me or, at least, I felt she did. Sometimes I think many of these professors feel threatened of being up-staged by their students. What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" Quoting: Rev-boBy most normal people, it probably would be, if they knew the meaning of the word. I seem to remember that most news articles are written at something like a 10th grade level, so the average reader could understand. Your post above is fairly sophisticated writing; sophisticated enough that I would think you would know the definition of "convoluted." Were you asking a rhetorical question? |
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Rev-bo User ID: 538751 United States 04/26/2010 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. It was not a rhetorical question. My grad professor took a cheap shot at me or, at least, I felt she did. Sometimes I think many of these professors feel threatened of being up-staged by their students. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575What if you purposely write in sophisticated sentence structures; that is, sophisticated enough to easily go above the comprehension level of the laymen reader. Would that be considered "convoluted?" By most normal people, it probably would be, if they knew the meaning of the word. I seem to remember that most news articles are written at something like a 10th grade level, so the average reader could understand. Your post above is fairly sophisticated writing; sophisticated enough that I would think you would know the definition of "convoluted." Were you asking a rhetorical question? Odds are, your grad professor is probably an above average reader, unless she teaches something like sociology or women's studies, in which case, you definately went over her head. Just try to be more concise with your writing, maybe use a little less fancy language, and by all means, don't think you're smarter than your professor. It WILL come through in your writing, she WILL be insulted, and you'll probably end up taking the class again. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Her degree is in sociology (LOL). Odds are, your grad professor is probably an above average reader, unless she teaches something like sociology or women's studies, in which case, you definately went over her head. Just try to be more concise with your writing, maybe use a little less fancy language, and by all means, don't think you're smarter than your professor. It WILL come through in your writing, she WILL be insulted, and you'll probably end up taking the class again. Quoting: Rev-bo |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've taken her for a couple of grad courses and each time she robs me of an A (I got a B+ for each class). I felt raped and powerless to fight back. don't think you're smarter than your professor. It WILL come through in your writing, she WILL be insulted, and you'll probably end up taking the class again. Quoting: Rev-bo |
Rev-bo User ID: 538751 United States 04/26/2010 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Her degree is in sociology (LOL). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575Odds are, your grad professor is probably an above average reader, unless she teaches something like sociology or women's studies, in which case, you definately went over her head. Just try to be more concise with your writing, maybe use a little less fancy language, and by all means, don't think you're smarter than your professor. It WILL come through in your writing, she WILL be insulted, and you'll probably end up taking the class again. Well, shit. I don't know, then. Dumb it down to around 8th grade, put in a bunch of "like"s and make sure to rip on Whitey a lot, and you should be good. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
Andromeda User ID: 946938 United States 04/26/2010 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. It was not a rhetorical question. My grad professor took a cheap shot at me or, at least, I felt she did. Sometimes I think many of these professors feel threatened of being up-staged by their students. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575In that case, it means you could make your argument more effectively. Part of graduate work is learning how to communicate effectively to other professionals. You can't talk like a pretentious, rambling, pontificating bore to professors. You shouldn't have to go fishing through a well of complexity to describe how cold the water is. Most professors don't have time for that kind of 18th century affected bullshit. Sounds like your condescending attitude is coming out as poor scholarship. Last Edited by Andromeda on 04/26/2010 05:58 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually confided in one of her colleagues. I told him that I just could not bring myself to dumbing down the language of my papers. I asked him to speak to her but he refused to get involved. I am at wits' end -- don't know what to do ;-( I feel nothing should quench the creativity of a writer, not even a professor. Her degree is in sociology (LOL). Quoting: Rev-boOdds are, your grad professor is probably an above average reader, unless she teaches something like sociology or women's studies, in which case, you definately went over her head. Just try to be more concise with your writing, maybe use a little less fancy language, and by all means, don't think you're smarter than your professor. It WILL come through in your writing, she WILL be insulted, and you'll probably end up taking the class again. Well, shit. I don't know, then. Dumb it down to around 8th grade, put in a bunch of "like"s and make sure to rip on Whitey a lot, and you should be good. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 891624 United States 04/26/2010 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If someone were to tell you that your writing is convoluted, what are they trying to say? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717575It means your post's point got lost in the shuffle. Most of the time you just need to slow down and re-order your thoughts. 10 penny words do not a great sentence make, you dig? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 717575 United States 04/26/2010 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I email or IM it to you? I don't want to post it here, because at times professors will do a key word net search to check if a paper is plagerized. This thread would come up if she did a search on my paper and I don't think she'd take kindly to some of the comments I made about her. If you're that upset, that you're talking to other professors, go ahead and paste some of said convoluted writing up in this thread. Quoting: Andromeda |