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A racially controversial email by a Harvard Law student is causing a flap after being forwarded to black student law groups around nation. The damning line from the unidentified third-year student: "I absolutely do not rule out the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent." The Above the Law blog has details [link to abovethelaw.com]

Someone at the Harvard Black Law Student Association got hold of it and sent it out, with the author's full name, and it's gone viral. The author—who sent the lengthy email to clarify comments made at a dinner but only made things worse—is in line for a federal clerkship, and now a movement is afoot to block it. "This is going to get ugly," one tipster tells Above the Law.
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no shit?
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The only thing holding blacks back is the "tribe" mentality, they are capable of succeeding in every walk of life but only if they pull away from the "tribe". Whites found out hundreds of years ago that lazy people will always leach off the strong and productive members of a society. Look to any black nation and you will find failure to progress without whites, Zimbabwe is proof that the tribe mentality doesn't work. The productive members soon stop producing as they see no personal gain for their efforts, for every stupid lazy violent gang member standing on a street corner there is a smart hard working gang member who has simply caved to tribal pressure and resigned himself to being a nobody with no dreams other than surviving. Blacks are their own worst enemy.
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There is nothing wrong with what was said. its like saying, "i do not rule out the possiblity that African Americans, have on average a genetical predisposition for darker skin".

There are many variations in human races. Asians are smaller, black africans have biger penis. Why be in denial about it.
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The only thing holding blacks back is the "tribe" mentality, they are capable of succeeding in every walk of life but only if they pull away from the "tribe". Whites found out hundreds of years ago that lazy people will always leach off the strong and productive members of a society. Look to any black nation and you will find failure to progress without whites, Zimbabwe is proof that the tribe mentality doesn't work. The productive members soon stop producing as they see no personal gain for their efforts, for every stupid lazy violent gang member standing on a street corner there is a smart hard working gang member who has simply caved to tribal pressure and resigned himself to being a nobody with no dreams other than surviving. Blacks are their own worst enemy.
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very well said. and very true
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Well who would have thunk it???
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IQ 85 in Blacks it just means they need to pay more attention. also chronic drug use is has a bad effect on the developement of fetus brains..
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Some say that IQ is biased to cultural values. So over the years they have tried to create IQ tests that test for Intelligence exclusive of culture. Straight math problems. Straight history questions. Fundamental language questions.

The end result, there was no significant difference in IQ scores. From test to test the numbers vary one or two points.
American Blacks scored an average of 85.
Amerinds (American Indians) scored an average of 88.
Hispanic Americans scored an average of 89.
Americans of European descent scored an average 100.
Americans of Asian descent scored an average of 102.
Americans of Germanic descent scored an average of 107
American Jews scored on average 119.

These averages keep on repeating regardless of how the tests are structured. Some people are just not academically inclined. That does not mean they can not work. It just means that their brains do not make them college material.

For Blacks, an average of 85 tells you that nearly half of all blacks are retarded. That, of course is showing up in the school systems all across the nation. The failure rate of Blacks, Amerinds, and Hispanics in public education has been well documented. They drop out of school at an alarming rate. We can deny it all we want, but it is a reality.

I have long favored reformatting our schools so that after sixth grade we send those kids who are just not that academically intelligent to trade schools where they can learn skills to serve them in the Service Industry. Do that and we will have a higher employment rate among Blacks and Amerinds. Hispanics seem to find work regardless of their IQ.
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especially ones names obama
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It is a shame of our society that the student who made the statement will probably be ostracized, threatened with death, unable to secure a job, etc. for a statement that is likely to be true.

Instead of Blacks getting enraged by such a statement, they should attempt to prove him wrong.

Part of the reason Blacks diminish their own intellectual accomplishments is a cultural one.

MOST Black parents would rather their son grew up to play in the NBA, than become a physician.

I fell off my chair, when a while back the Obamba stated that he hoped one day his daughters would win "ATHLETIC scholarships".

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ??????

Why didn't he say ACADEMIC scholarships ??
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He cant come from Harvard, using the word might diminshes his credibility.
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I though lawyer's were supposed to be untrustworthy schemers?

I guess it all depends on whether or not you agree with what they say.
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BS, its a lot to do with upbringing.
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Speaking as a bi-racial AA I think I agree.

But it's more complicated that what you guys think.

Yes, I believe Asians are better pre-disposed to math and science and African American are less so.

However, each race has their talents.

African Americans are best at athletics and out right creativity. And in regards to athletics, it's way more than running fast and jumping high. It takes a mental toughness and a great intelligence 'to see the entire basketball court' or 'to see a play before it happens'. You see, there is intelligence with sports also. Also, this requires incredible conenctration skills 'being in the zone' and discipline.

In regards to creativity, Blacks define pop culture and music. Whatever blacks invent, everyone else, in that age group follow suit.

Look at their music, jazz, blues, the beginnings of rock and roll. I think a lot more of you would appreciate the talent it takes for hip hop if it wasn't all about sex and drugs -- more so about politics. With rapping, it's not just rhyming, but it has to make sense. More complicated than poetry.

So yes I agree, but let's probe further on this issue.
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There is nothing wrong with what was said. its like saying, "i do not rule out the possiblity that African Americans, have on average a genetical predisposition for darker skin".

There are many variations in human races. Asians are smaller, black africans have biger penis. Why be in denial about it.
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What an idotic statement. Do you know how may things black people invented? The godamn president is black. Are you smarter?
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I am German, Irish, Russian, and Cherokee descent. Pissed off all the time, but too lazy to do anything about it----lol. All jokes aside, I agree with the fact that ethnic minorities, as a whole, tend to be 'less intelligent'.

Moreover, you can spare me the 'native' intelligence hogwash. I have taken the Weschler and the Standford-Binet and I scored respectably. Of course, my middle school counselors were oh so willing to help me with college and college prep because I was "Native American".

Of course, no one accounted that I am 1/16th Cherokee and that I have virtually no Indian features. It made my high school life miserable! Teachers kissed my ass and other White students hated me because I received preferential treatment when it came to scholarships and other issues.

In fact, a college ad visor made sure to tell me to note that I was American Indian on my f*cking ACTs and SATs because they gave 'little extras' to 'minorities'. I did not and still managed a 29 and SAT Math 700 and 'Engerish' 750.

And yes, the scores DO matter, because once I started college, (I started at 24 because I worked as a paramedic and forest technician [firefighter]) there were blacks, AmInds, and Hispanics at the same university I was attending with scores very below par! And they COULD NOT catch up and were wrangled through the system despite NEVER meeting up to the same standards of their White counterparts.

So, this email that everyone is in such a twist about is not only accurate, but deserves to applauded for its honesty! Of course, it won't be and the student will be castigated for his personal opinion and will be punished for expressing his Constitutional Birthright to say whatever the hell he wants!!!

So, NAACP, ACLU, SPLC go f*ck yourselves with a pointy stick!
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Some say that IQ is biased to cultural values. So over the years they have tried to create IQ tests that test for Intelligence exclusive of culture. Straight math problems. Straight history questions. Fundamental language questions.

The end result, there was no significant difference in IQ scores. From test to test the numbers vary one or two points.
American Blacks scored an average of 85.
Amerinds (American Indians) scored an average of 88.
Hispanic Americans scored an average of 89.
Americans of European descent scored an average 100.
Americans of Asian descent scored an average of 102.
Americans of Germanic descent scored an average of 107
American Jews scored on average 119.

These averages keep on repeating regardless of how the tests are structured. Some people are just not academically inclined. That does not mean they can not work. It just means that their brains do not make them college material.

For Blacks, an average of 85 tells you that nearly half of all blacks are retarded. That, of course is showing up in the school systems all across the nation. The failure rate of Blacks, Amerinds, and Hispanics in public education has been well documented. They drop out of school at an alarming rate. We can deny it all we want, but it is a reality.

I have long favored reformatting our schools so that after sixth grade we send those kids who are just not that academically intelligent to trade schools where they can learn skills to serve them in the Service Industry. Do that and we will have a higher employment rate among Blacks and Amerinds. Hispanics seem to find work regardless of their IQ.
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I agree 100% with that last paragraph. Ticks me off when I hear ads saying "our goal is to send 100% of our students to college". WHY? There is nothing wrong with non-academic work. That student who wrote the original paper was a dummy to not know that Harvard IS politically correct. Harvard is probably the HOME of political correctness...and WILL NOT tolerate any divergence from the official viewpoint.
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each race has their talents.
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+1

it's too bad our educational system doesn't focus on individual strengths versus lumping us all together and assuming we're equal both intellectually and creatively.
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It is a shame of our society that the student who made the statement will probably be ostracized, threatened with death, unable to secure a job, etc. for a statement that is likely to be true.

Instead of Blacks getting enraged by such a statement, they should attempt to prove him wrong.

Part of the reason Blacks diminish their own intellectual accomplishments is a cultural one.

MOST Black parents would rather their son grew up to play in the NBA, than become a physician.

I fell off my chair, when a while back the Obamba stated that he hoped one day his daughters would win "ATHLETIC scholarships".

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ??????

Why didn't he say ACADEMIC scholarships ??
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Culture has almost no influence in IQ scores in public schools. I have raised over 30 children. Half of them as a foster father. Those with low IQ scores continued to score the same regardless of my raising them in a home where education was stressed.

All of my genetic children that I raised graduated at the top of their class. All of the other children that I raised performed exactly in accordance with their IQ scores.

You can provide a very enriched environment. If the brain is not capable of doing math, their brain will continue to not be able to do math. You just have to wait until they are older to teach them math. I raised a minority daughter with an IQ of 80. She could not add any two numbers that required carrying a ten to a higher value. Adding six and five to get eleven was impossible for her, but she could add six and three to get nine. If they can not do that function they have to be trained to do work that does not require making change for customers.

That minority daughter had a social worker who was about as stupid as her. (Lots of really dumb people have been hired to be social workers.) The social worker tried to place the girl into a job at a 7/11 store. I told the social worker that it would be a lost cause. The girl was fired the first day because 103 dollars and 58 cents were missing from the cash register. She did not have it on her. She had just given change to the paying customers to keep them happy. The Girl could not consistently tell the difference between a ten and twenty dollar bill.

She is now grown up and living on social security. The system gave her a high school diploma even though she could not read. At 18 they cut her loose and in three days she had been picked up by a pimp who wanted her to walk the streets for him. I was able to get her out of that situation and got her on SS with the help of a lawyer. Now she is a Social Security mother with five kids all of whom are as low IQ as she is. All five kids have different fathers.

The kids will all be on Social Security because of retardation in a few years and then they will produce anther 25 more retarded kids and so on and so forth. That is the way our system works.

And then you wonder why taxes are going up to pay for all these "Welfare" (Social Security) mothers. She gets about $2200 a month in benefits and will receive that amount for the next fifty years. It will be adjusted for inflation, though, so if we have rampant inflation, that $2200 can go up to $4400 in a few years.

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It took a Harvard study to confirm something we've known for a long time? Anyone who has been around blacks knew that...

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GOD FORBID ANYONE DEVIATE FROM THE OFFICIAL DOCTRINE OF EQUALITY IN EVERYTHING.

PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL, EQUALITY IS AN IDEAL, NOT A REALITY.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL, BLACKS AND WHITES ARE NOT EQUAL, CHILDREN AND ADULTS ARE NOT EQUAL. WE HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A TIME WHEN THE CURRENT TABBOO IS TO MENTION THIS OUT LOUD. ANYONE WITH TWO EYES, A HEARTBEAT AND AN IQ ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE KNOWS IT, BUT MOST ARE COWED BY THE POWER OF THE MEDIA/GOVERNMENT/AND ECONOMIC PROSPECTS TO DARE TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. THIS IS A STERLING EXAMPLE OF THAT. PEOPLE WHO COMMIT GRIEVOUS CRIMES ON THE INNOCENT WILL FARE BETTER THAN ANYONE WHO DARES TO CHALLENGE THE DOGMA OF THE CHURCH OF WE ALL BE EKWALZ, YO.

THE PENDULUM SWINGS BOTH WAYS PEOPLE. WHAT THE MASSES ARE WILLING TO SWILL TODAY WILL BE LAUGHED AT LIKE HOOP SKIRTS AND TOP HATS TOMORROW. YOU CAN ONLY PROP UP A FALSE SHIBBOLETH SO LONG BEFORE IT COMES CRASHING DOWN.

AND JUST SO YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE NIKE TYPE CATCH PHRASES TO REMEMBER IT, HERE SHE IS-

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Genetic lines people.

Genetic memory in short.

Doesn't matter what race you come from, but if your parents are stupid chances are you'll be too.


A child of two Harvard students for example will have the aptitude towards things of a more academic nature, and just by that alone more likely to have a higher IQ than say someone from some shitty American ghetto.


Personally I'd say that Blacks in Africa as a whole are a lot smarter than African Americans.

That said I find white Europeans tend to a lot smarter than their American counter-parts.


Now since African-Americans for the most part descend from Slaves(and they were not used for their learning skills, nor were they encouraged), then that genetic memory is going to stunt their current learning, unless they are taught about how genetics control a person's personality. Genes like most things can be re-written, but one must know how to do that, or you'll do as your parents and peers do.

A strong will, will override any genetic personality triats.


Freewill plays a role, best not to forget that.



Because to say "Blacks are lesser intelligent because they are "Black" means that you don't believe in freewill in humans, let alone just black people.
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There is nothing wrong with what was said. its like saying, "i do not rule out the possiblity that African Americans, have on average a genetical predisposition for darker skin".

There are many variations in human races. Asians are smaller, black africans have biger penis. Why be in denial about it.



What an idotic statement. Do you know how may things black people invented? The godamn president is black. Are you smarter?
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The original statement doesn't imply that there aren't smart, and even GENIUS, black people.

I've met some brilliant black people.

Nevertheless, on average, black people score lower on IQ tests, suggesting that at the time of these statistical comparisons (maybe 10-20 years ago?), black people weren't as smart on average.

Those students at Harvard are bastards. That guy was merely stating the truth about statistics and they are ruining his entire career. Hopefully, that student group doesn't reflect on all the black harvard law students.

Geeze.
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If black people defined what constitutes intelligence, would they be more intelligent?
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lol

wow, a college brat saying something stupid

that's new

lol
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If black people defined what constitutes intelligence, would they be more intelligent?
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IF INTELLIGENCE WERE BASED ON BEING ABLE TO IMITATE SCRATCHING RECORDS AND HAVING AN INNATE ABILITY TO GESTICULATE WILDLY AT THE SIGHT OF A BEAT DOWN, THEN YES, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY BE DEFINED AS "MORE (SIC) INTELLIGENT".
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i say if they type in small case they are more intelligent then mr shout man crazy guy
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GOD FORBID ANYONE DEVIATE FROM THE OFFICIAL DOCTRINE OF EQUALITY IN EVERYTHING.

PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL, EQUALITY IS AN IDEAL, NOT A REALITY.

MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL, BLACKS AND WHITES ARE NOT EQUAL, CHILDREN AND ADULTS ARE NOT EQUAL. WE HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A TIME WHEN THE CURRENT TABBOO IS TO MENTION THIS OUT LOUD. ANYONE WITH TWO EYES, A HEARTBEAT AND AN IQ ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BELL CURVE KNOWS IT, BUT MOST ARE COWED BY THE POWER OF THE MEDIA/GOVERNMENT/AND ECONOMIC PROSPECTS TO DARE TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. THIS IS A STERLING EXAMPLE OF THAT. PEOPLE WHO COMMIT GRIEVOUS CRIMES ON THE INNOCENT WILL FARE BETTER THAN ANYONE WHO DARES TO CHALLENGE THE DOGMA OF THE CHURCH OF WE ALL BE EKWALZ, YO.

THE PENDULUM SWINGS BOTH WAYS PEOPLE. WHAT THE MASSES ARE WILLING TO SWILL TODAY WILL BE LAUGHED AT LIKE HOOP SKIRTS AND TOP HATS TOMORROW. YOU CAN ONLY PROP UP A FALSE SHIBBOLETH SO LONG BEFORE IT COMES CRASHING DOWN.

AND JUST SO YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE NIKE TYPE CATCH PHRASES TO REMEMBER IT, HERE SHE IS-

THE TRUTH IS A RACIST.
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Reality is subject to perception. Equality could easily be a reality if people could simply perceive things from an equal standpoint.

Truth is self-evident.

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Truly laughable... Mainly because that means WE ARE ALL less than intelligent.

Oh. Now, I'm laughing even harder, for that may very well be true... sockpuppet
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If black people defined what constitutes intelligence, would they be more intelligent?


IF INTELLIGENCE WERE BASED ON BEING ABLE TO IMITATE SCRATCHING RECORDS AND HAVING AN INNATE ABILITY TO GESTICULATE WILDLY AT THE SIGHT OF A BEAT DOWN, THEN YES, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY BE DEFINED AS "MORE (SIC) INTELLIGENT".
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Well that's certainly one theory. But on the other hand, if intelligence was based more on athletic ability and hand-eye coordination, then they'd probably have us (and Stephen Hawking) beat.
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