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Belgium bans burkas: Women who refuse to show faces to be jailed

 
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Belgium bans burkas: Women who refuse to show faces to be jailed
Belgium became the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka last night.
Its parliament approved a draft law which states women can be jailed for hiding their faces in public.
The bill - which must be rubber-stamped by the Belgian senate - is set to become law by July.
Centre-Right MP Daniel Bacquelaine said last night: 'The notion of recognising people in the street is essential to maintain public order.
'It's also a question of human dignity. The full face veil turns a woman into a walking prison.'
The ground-breaking legislation comes just ten days after an earlier vote on banning the burka was scuppered by the collapse of the country's parliament and resignation of its prime minister, Yves Leterme.
Despite the political turmoil, MPs in the fragile five-party coalition managed to push through the controversial law yesterday evening.
It means anyone will be banned from covering their face in a public place, including the street, shops, offices, schools and hospitals.


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Belgium became the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka last night.
Its parliament approved a draft law which states women can be jailed for hiding their faces in public.
The bill - which must be rubber-stamped by the Belgian senate - is set to become law by July.
Centre-Right MP Daniel Bacquelaine said last night: 'The notion of recognising people in the street is essential to maintain public order.
'It's also a question of human dignity. The full face veil turns a woman into a walking prison.'
The ground-breaking legislation comes just ten days after an earlier vote on banning the burka was scuppered by the collapse of the country's parliament and resignation of its prime minister, Yves Leterme.
Despite the political turmoil, MPs in the fragile five-party coalition managed to push through the controversial law yesterday evening.
It means anyone will be banned from covering their face in a public place, including the street, shops, offices, schools and hospitals.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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yes!!!! Belgium!!!
Stand up and fight !!
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yes!!!! Belgium!!! Stand up and fight !!

Belgium became the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka last night.
Its parliament approved a draft law which states women can be jailed for hiding their faces in public.
The bill - which must be rubber-stamped by the Belgian senate - is set to become law by July.
Centre-Right MP Daniel Bacquelaine said last night: 'The notion of recognising people in the street is essential to maintain public order.
'It's also a question of human dignity. The full face veil turns a woman into a walking prison.'
The ground-breaking legislation comes just ten days after an earlier vote on banning the burka was scuppered by the collapse of the country's parliament and resignation of its prime minister, Yves Leterme.
Despite the political turmoil, MPs in the fragile five-party coalition managed to push through the controversial law yesterday evening.
It means anyone will be banned from covering their face in a public place, including the street, shops, offices, schools and hospitals.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

yes!!!! Belgium!!!
Stand up and fight !!
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NOW they will be able to tell which ones are SHAVING !
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04/30/2010 10:48 AM
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Yay belgium.

If they dont like it, they can go back to their homeland and their home culture. yes people its not racist to say that. every one has a homeland and a home culture. europe is not an islamic culture.
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France (in parts) and now Belgium. Why not USA?! ;)
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even france is still in talking stage on the ban the burka

i still recon the province of belgum will beat france to it
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YES, IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE THE DECISION WHAT CONSTITUTES HUMAN DIGNITY ON THEIR OWN, WITHOUT GOVERNMENT SANCTION.

THE CORRECT SOLUTION IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TWO DIFFERENT CULTURES CANNOT LIVE UNDER THE SAME GOVERNMENT AND SIMPLY ASK THEM TO RETURN TO THEIR PLACE OF ORIGIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOTH PARTIES, BUT THAT WOULD BE TABOO.
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not necceserily jail, it can be a fine also between 25 euros & 150 euro's OR a jailtime from 7 days, but that is the extreme way,

and it still needs to be voted in the parlement , but i think it will pass.
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First Belgium scores a win with their most excellent waffles, and now this!

Go Belgium! Woohooo!

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would a petition help get it through

the sooner the beter just to get the rug pilots all excited
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you have come this far belgum don't back down
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Belgium became the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka last night.
Its parliament approved a draft law which states women can be jailed for hiding their faces in public.
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They should write correct laws.They should not blame only burkas but the thinking which goes behind burkas.It will help in long run.A ban on burka will not do much.
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04/30/2010 11:49 AM
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didnt belgians o killed numerous congo people in congo war?And they did it for lot of years.so its coming back to you
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04/30/2010 11:54 AM
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didnt belgians o killed numerous congo people in congo war?And they did it for lot of years.so its coming back to you
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and your point is?
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04/30/2010 12:01 PM
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YES, IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE THE DECISION WHAT CONSTITUTES HUMAN DIGNITY ON THEIR OWN, WITHOUT GOVERNMENT SANCTION.

THE CORRECT SOLUTION IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TWO DIFFERENT CULTURES CANNOT LIVE UNDER THE SAME GOVERNMENT AND SIMPLY ASK THEM TO RETURN TO THEIR PLACE OF ORIGIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOTH PARTIES, BUT THAT WOULD BE TABOO.
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This
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I'm waiting for Muslims to bash this thread.. or yell "unfair" and they're not doing it, because they know that they're now in an indefensible position.
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I'm waiting for Muslims to bash this thread.. or yell "unfair" and they're not doing it, because they know that they're now in an indefensible position.
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won't be muslims, it will be our own home grown libs
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didnt belgians o killed numerous congo people in congo war?And they did it for lot of years.so its coming back to you


and your point is?
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just saying.
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Re: Belgium bans burkas: Women who refuse to show faces to be jailed
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Centre-Right MP Daniel Bacquelaine said last night: 'The notion of recognising people in the street is essential to maintain public order.
'It's also a question of human dignity. The full face veil turns a woman into a walking prison.'

...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 910644


Now that is an extremely focused, sharp statement that sums it all up:

(1) The veil is a walking prison
(2) It undermines personal security, trust in open places and openness in public places

Last Edited by Andromeda on 04/30/2010 12:20 PM
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I'm waiting for Muslims to bash this thread.. or yell "unfair" and they're not doing it, because they know that they're now in an indefensible position.



won't be muslims, it will be our own home grown libs
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Even those hostile cowards aren´t here!
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why are people so obessed about women wearing burkas?
Some women may like to hide their faces... jyturt
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its friday the opposition are down the temple trying to get the rugs to fly
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Belgium became the first European country to impose a full ban on wearing a burka last night.
Its parliament approved a draft law which states women can be jailed for hiding their faces in public.


They should write correct laws.They should not blame only burkas but the thinking which goes behind burkas.It will help in long run.A ban on burka will not do much.
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I feel sorry for ordinary Muslims trapped in the deadly legalism that they are. They were born into this religion and they can and do get killed for any deviation. Imagine a girl.."take that burka off" says the government.."no, put it back on" says the mullah with the sword in his hand.

I will not get involved in conflict...
Islam/Christianity..Protestant/Catholic..Sunni/Shia..black/wh​ite..hot/cold..none of it.

For in the grey area dividing the sides is the Devil..he manipulated the conflict and he will get his power from the confusion,hatred, and war arising from the conflict.

There is a third way..a Trinitarian understanding that must come from Truth..no compromise,no dialectic, no "argument to consensus". I will not hear the mealy mouth middlemen puppets of politics, academia, and opinion making anymore.

I understand fully that this will get me killed..I also know that "they know not what they do" and I hope that I meet my end with compassion and forgiveness in my heart.
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I'm waiting for Muslims to bash this thread.. or yell "unfair" and they're not doing it, because they know that they're now in an indefensible position.



won't be muslims, it will be our own home grown libs
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That must be my que.

Thankfully the European Union will repeal these laws.

The European Union protects individual’s right to freedom of religious expression (goodle it).

I'm sure the French & Belgian Governments are aware of this.

[link to www.europarl.europa.eu]

Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union

ARTICLE 10
FREEDOM OF THOUGHT CONSCIENCE AND RELIGION

1. .Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance..

2. .The right to conscientious objection is recognised, in accordance with the national laws governing the exercise of this right.

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if abdul has a sword to force his many wives to put the bed sheets back on white man has laws against that as well
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I'm waiting for Muslims to bash this thread.. or yell "unfair" and they're not doing it, because they know that they're now in an indefensible position.



won't be muslims, it will be our own home grown libs



That must be my que.

Thankfully the European Union will repeal these laws.

The European Union protects individual’s right to freedom of religious expression (goodle it).

I'm sure the French & Belgium Governments are aware of this.
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soon we will find that standard is only used on the UK because our minions in whitehall are the only ones that obey EU ideas
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not necceserily jail, it can be a fine also between 25 euros & 150 euro's OR a jailtime from 7 days, but that is the extreme way,

and it still needs to be voted in the parlement , but i think it will pass.
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Yes it will.
Burka's don't belong here.

Belgium will/must be the first to say NO, so the example for the rest of Europe is set.
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The Belgium government is in the right.


You don't get to do anything you want and call it "religious expression."


Not going to work now in the Age of Reason.
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Re: Belgium bans burkas: Women who refuse to show faces to be jailed
All nice and good until the government starts telling YOU what item of religious importance YOU can and cannot wear





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