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BREAKING 25,000 BARRELS A DAY - NOT 5,000 - WSJ

 
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UF expert: Spill may spread to east coast

Currents may take the oil around Florida and spare the area's Gulf Coast.


The Gulf Stream runs up the eastern coast of Florida. Sheng said he believes it is entirely possible, even probable, that this will happen, thus impacting the beaches from Miami to Jacksonville. The Loop Current is about 35 miles south of the slick, which currently is 125 miles wide and 40 miles long.





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Dude.. you do know how oil is formed right? I'm not sure I should be responding to a wall, but oil is dead/decayed plant and animal material that was highly compressed over millions of years. We did not have dinosaurs stacked a mile high walking on top of each other. :P

That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory.
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Oh Dear God....
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Dude.. you do know how oil is formed right? I'm not sure I should be responding to a wall, but oil is dead/decayed plant and animal material that was highly compressed over millions of years. We did not have dinosaurs stacked a mile high walking on top of each other. :P

That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory.



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The problem with some people is that they think scientists know more than they actually do. They believe in the most naive way that when "scientists" say that something is this way or that that means it can't be any other way. It becomes their gospel so to speak. It's a very short-sighted view of things. According to scientists/engineers that designed these oil rigs wasn't it supposed to be impossible for such an accident to occur as has happened? And just look at the "impossible" mess that is mucking up the Gulf.

People like these are the ones who uglify the world, and if this world were populated only by such people it would look like Mars by now.
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Exxon Valdez is a little shadow near this tragedy.
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this place is so scared of life.
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Dude.. you do know how oil is formed right? I'm not sure I should be responding to a wall, but oil is dead/decayed plant and animal material that was highly compressed over millions of years. We did not have dinosaurs stacked a mile high walking on top of each other. :P

That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory.



Oh Dear God....

The problem with some people is that they think scientists know more than they actually do. They believe in the most naive way that when "scientists" say that something is this way or that that means it can't be any other way. It becomes their gospel so to speak. It's a very short-sighted view of things. According to scientists/engineers that designed these oil rigs wasn't it supposed to be impossible for such an accident to occur as has happened? And just look at the "impossible" mess that is mucking up the Gulf.

People like these are the ones who uglify the world, and if this world were populated only by such people it would look like Mars by now.
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No one uses the word "impossible" in relation to ocean vessels after Titanic.


Of course scientists don't know everything. But they DO base what they know on compounded evidence and observation. Then they make theories and test those theories with calcuations, simulations and tests - and yes, they are still often wrong.

But I have NEVER seen the disciples of the "Church of Woo Woo" EVER put as much effort into proving THEIR theories.
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Of course scientists don't know everything. But they DO base what they know on compounded evidence and observation. Then they make theories and test those theories with calcuations, simulations and tests - and yes, they are still often wrong.
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Scientists are often the first to admit this. It's kinda funny, but scientists are often less certain about their theories than the non-scientists who take their theories and transform them by some bizarre, little understood process into facts.
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Of course scientists don't know everything. But they DO base what they know on compounded evidence and observation. Then they make theories and test those theories with calcuations, simulations and tests - and yes, they are still often wrong.

Scientists are often the first to admit this. It's kinda funny, but scientists are often less certain about their theories than the non-scientists who take their theories and transform them by some bizarre, little understood process into facts.
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Exactly my point.
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i was out last night. Most my friends dont care, or dont even know


starting to doubt their intelligence

the summer of hell.
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sounds like my night! good point
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Of course scientists don't know everything. But they DO base what they know on compounded evidence and observation. Then they make theories and test those theories with calcuations, simulations and tests - and yes, they are still often wrong.

Scientists are often the first to admit this. It's kinda funny, but scientists are often less certain about their theories than the non-scientists who take their theories and transform them by some bizarre, little understood process into facts.


Exactly my point.
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Then we both agree with the observation of a previous poster who pointed out regarding to process by which oil is formed in the Earth -

"That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory."

There may be other petroleum producing processes going on below this planet's surface that we don't know about because we can't really observe all the subsurface processes.
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um.. this is significant people.. wake up


Fuck you hippie. We will kill all the animals we damn well please.


you would shit in your own den
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"Fuck you hippie. We will kill all the animals we damn well please."

When people say things like that, are they really serious? Call me naive, but I just cannot conceive how people can be that stupid.

Original poster, if you really only cared about people and not animals (or the food you eat), you should just be a greedy bastard, and have bought stock in the company that makes Dawn Dishwashing soap all this years.
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There may be other petroleum producing processes going on below this planet's surface that we don't know about because we can't really observe all the subsurface processes.
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Err no. Oil is a fossil fuel. This isn't a theory.. its pure chemistry.
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Exactly my point.

Then we both agree with the observation of a previous poster who pointed out regarding to process by which oil is formed in the Earth -

"That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory."

There may be other petroleum producing processes going on below this planet's surface that we don't know about because we can't really observe all the subsurface processes.
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Oil is a fossil fuel. This is basic chemistry.. not some scientific theory.
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Site is acting weird again. :P

Sorry for the double post.
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The thing is that, there is probably as much oil under the ground as there is water above it so, depending on how long this oil continues to gush into the Gulf of Mexico, we could see as much oil in the Gulf as there is water. Yeah...drill baby drill.



Uhhh no. I'm at a loss for words to even try to respond to such an incredibly ignorant statement.

Nature does things in a big way. Oil veins run throughout the Earth and are interconnected. There are OCEANS of oil under the ground just as there are oceans of water above. Think again.



You're probably also one of those idiots crying out about "peak oil". "Oh no we're running out of oil!!!!"

You can't have it both ways.
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No, you are the idiot who doesn't know that there has always been more water on the earth than land mass, land that has produced that vegetation that decays into "fossil" fuels, oil or coal or natural gas.
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I stand corrected. There are opposing theories to oil being a fossil fuel. Learn something new every day.

[link to www.wnd.com]
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There may be other petroleum producing processes going on below this planet's surface that we don't know about because we can't really observe all the subsurface processes.

Err no. Oil is a fossil fuel. This isn't a theory.. its pure chemistry.
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Er no. You are mistaken. Go to this site and learn...
[link to www.wnd.com]
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Yeah, I did and its interesting. I would say that the most widely accepted theory is still organic material.. but I'm willing to believe this is proven. I still don't think there's THAT much of this stuff.
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I stand corrected. There are opposing theories to oil being a fossil fuel. Learn something new every day.

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Cool. I entered my previous post at 2:07 before I read your post above. We are all learning. That's how we grow.
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I stand corrected. There are opposing theories to oil being a fossil fuel. Learn something new every day.

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Cool. I entered my previous post at 2:07 before I read your post above. We are all learning. That's how we grow.
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It might be possible that oil has an abiotic origin - i'm not doubting that. I am, however deeply doubting the source. WND is a highly-charged, right-wing evangelical bible-thumping machine dedicated to converting the entire world to their particular form of Christianity, one who's majority feel convicted to make everyone else's life a living hell by annoyingly promoting the 6000 year theory as the age of the world.

I always find it fascinating that they will spend so much effort distancing themselves from the theology of their Catholic cousins and then fervently embrace ideologues that the same Catholic church abandoned decade ago,

James Ussher (sometimes spelled Usher) (4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625–1656. He was a prolific scholar, who most famously published a chronology that purported to establish the time and date of the creation as the night preceding 23 October 4004 BC, according to the proleptic Julian calendar.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Why would the protestants embrace anything that was devised by the Catholic Church and then why would they continue to embrace it long after the Church came to understand how flawed it was?

and yes, this ties in because the people of WND follow this sort of agenda and they will herald ANY discovery or philosophy that endorses their misguided opinion.

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uhh... WTF are you talking about? Greenhouses?

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see the link I made a graphic what Im tolking about

[link to tnij.org]


foil used to green houses could be wery long in size

you can make from this somthing wery good to catch oil


can do underwater welding connecting sleeve or sticky film on horticultural greenhouses plastic tunnels. it may be, for example, the diameter of 500 meters and swim vertically in the battle over where the leak. from the surface of such pools to collect crude oil tankers pump .

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they can do the underwater sleeve welding linking or gluing the gardening foil together to greenhouses plastic tunnels. it can a diameter of for example 500 metres feel and swim vertically on buoys above the place of the leak. from the surface so collected swimming pools in order to oil oil tankers with pumps
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uhh... WTF are you talking about? Greenhouses?






see the link I made a graphic what Im tolking about

[link to tnij.org]


foil used to green houses could be wery long in size

you can make from this somthing wery good to catch oil


can do underwater welding connecting sleeve or sticky film on horticultural greenhouses plastic tunnels. it may be, for example, the diameter of 500 meters and swim vertically in the battle over where the leak. from the surface of such pools to collect crude oil tankers pump .

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they can do the underwater sleeve welding linking or gluing the gardening foil together to greenhouses plastic tunnels. it can a diameter of for example 500 metres feel and swim vertically on buoys above the place of the leak. from the surface so collected swimming pools in order to oil oil tankers with pumps
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That`s a pretty interesting idea...
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- "YOU WANT OIL, HERE'S YOUR OIL" says Mother Earth.

She's gonna shove it up our ass's, and rub our nose's in it !!!
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- "YOU WANT OIL, HERE'S YOUR OIL" says Mother Earth.

She's gonna shove it up our ass's, and rub our nose's in it !!!
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+1
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That`s a pretty interesting idea...
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you must buy wery long foil the biggest used in the farmers industry


then it mus have difrent shape

and must be under the wather about 1 meter it is why hihg bloks of styrofoam

more here

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Dude.. you do know how oil is formed right? I'm not sure I should be responding to a wall, but oil is dead/decayed plant and animal material that was highly compressed over millions of years. We did not have dinosaurs stacked a mile high walking on top of each other. :P

That is one theory,...
but it is only a theory.
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cruise
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sorry it must be over the wather 1 meter

it is why hihg bloks of styrofoam

more here

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The Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill: Some Background and What It Means

The natural order of things.

Most of us don't take time to think about what the true natural order of the world is. If we go back 100,000 years, there were no cars, no superhighways, and no oil wells. There were also very many fewer people, no wind turbines, and no computers. There was no problem with ocean acidification. Fish were abundant in the seas. The world was very different then.

The natural order of things keeps changing, on its own, without our intervention. One type of animal dies out, and another replaces it. Plants undergo natural selection, so as to adapt to changes in the environment.

In the fossil fuel world, we know their have been changes as well, and will continue to be. Where there are not cap rocks on oil supplies, hydrocarbons tend to migrate upward. When they do this, microbes in the atmosphere tend to break them down. Eventually, oil that is not under a tight cap rock tends to disappear--which is why we are having so much difficulty finding oil now.

The oil that escapes as oil spills will also migrate upward to the water surface, just as it does when it migrates upward through oil seeps. In warm, sunny areas, like area around the Gulf of Mexico, hydrocarbons that migrate upward will biodegrade will fairly quickly--within a few years. Some residue may remain for longer. This will be sticky at first, but then turn to asphalt, before it too breaks down.

It seems to me that as world oil supplies deplete, the world will tend back toward what I have described as the natural order of things. We won't be able to support as many people on the earth. Highways will disappear, as governments no longer have funds to resurface them. Without roads, automobiles will no longer be useful. Cows, and pigs will decline in numbers. Fish will return to the seas. Plant and animal life will change, to fill in the gap we left. We will really have to fight to avoid this natural rearrangement, and even then, we are not likely to be very successful.

We have a large number of people who classify themselves as environmentalists. They have a very different view of the world, and what is important for the long term. One of their concerns is that beaches not be despoiled by what looks like asphalt from oil spills. But these people seem to have little concern about the long stripes of asphalt that are being used for interstate highways. They are very concerned about the tens of thousands of birds that have been killed by oil spills, but they are not concerned (or not very much concerned ) about the billions of fish that are being removed from the oceans by fishermen every year. It seems to me that a major part of their concern is not really for the environment--it is for maintaining business as usual (BAU). Having pretty beaches, now. A nice place for their (many) children. Their plan seems to be for a light green BAU.


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without roads automobiles will be useless?

you can make fuel from hemp and drive on dirt roads......in fact roads have been around a hell of a lot longer than asphalt.....
in fact this article is just stupid...sorry OP..not personal.





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