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I think I have this Horizon disaster figured out...and it's NOT JUST a true blowout. | |
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| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Oh I'm just kidding. Everything seems to fit and makes sense even though I didn't read through everything thoroughly. It makes sense as far as the sequence of events, but it makes NO sense as to how it was possible... One thing for sure...at least 3 things happened that should have been impossible to happen... 1) the BOP should have slammed closed, it didn't. And since they closed some today?...apparently it's still pretty intact. 2) the Emergency Gens NEVER should have came on. 3) the emergency gens should not have detonated the gas even if they did come on. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 792204 United States05/03/2010 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My main concern right now is not how it happened, but how to stop it. I have come up with one possible solution, but don't know how long it would take to build until they can tell what is left down there to work with. I am afraid there has already been tons of erosion occur. |
| ZTE User ID: 779511 United States05/03/2010 04:02 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So basically, we need to figure out where that initial spark came from, which set off the gas. And to add to that what the hell went wrong with those generators (if they did create a spark). I guess it could have come from something as simple as dropping a wrench, but I haven't read as much as you have. However, I've pretty much ruled out the North Koreans. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could be. The only issue I have with your analysis is the BOP. It is supposed to detect and shut off blow outs. It is also supposed to fail closed, not fail open. Quoting: FreethinkerListen to that interview...I find it very credible....the guy there said they had tested it and it passed...that makes sense as to where they were in the process....but when they opened it back up after testing?....it unleashed the gas under pressure and THEN failed to operate...THAT makes no sense whatsoever...no sense that an operational piece of equiptment they just tested doesn't work?....ALL OF IT?....it's 6 stories tall with at least 8 rams and they ALL FAIL?....how the fuck does THAT happen.... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Jonesy User ID: 955654 United States05/03/2010 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100%, of everything I have read it sounds as if that was the cause. Thanks for putting all in one nicely written condensed page. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792204My main concern right now is not how it happened, but how to stop it. I have come up with one possible solution, but don't know how long it would take to build until they can tell what is left down there to work with. I am afraid there has already been tons of erosion occur. exactly.. everybody wants to speculate as to how it happened.. focus energy on how to stop it.. odds are you'll never know exactly what happened.. depends on how gullible you are to believe what they tell you.. Si vis pacem, para bellum |
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| Freethinker User ID: 958557 United States05/03/2010 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could be. The only issue I have with your analysis is the BOP. It is supposed to detect and shut off blow outs. It is also supposed to fail closed, not fail open. Quoting: SHRListen to that interview...I find it very credible....the guy there said they had tested it and it passed...that makes sense as to where they were in the process....but when they opened it back up after testing?....it unleashed the gas under pressure and THEN failed to operate...THAT makes no sense whatsoever...no sense that an operational piece of equiptment they just tested doesn't work?....ALL OF IT?....it's 6 stories tall with at least 8 rams and they ALL FAIL?....how the fuck does THAT happen.... exactly. I would be interested in knowing what kind of operational tests were run on the tree. A cascading failure like this is best explained as conspiracy. all authority is given to me |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So basically, we need to figure out where that initial spark came from, which set off the gas. And to add to that what the hell went wrong with those generators (if they did create a spark). I guess it could have come from something as simple as dropping a wrench, but I haven't read as much as you have. Quoting: ZTEHowever, I've pretty much ruled out the North Koreans. The ATV guy says, "The emergency generators kicked on and BOOM, all she wrote"...I find that pretty credible...he doesn't seem to have a real dog in the hunt other than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...and his first video IS bp-109...as he says it is...and these rigs have a ton of sites about fishing around them...so this is pretty common thing...big balls to take a fairly small boat out that far...but apparently that is not too uncommon...very risky seeing how the gulf can kick up out of nowhere, but he may have more balls than brains....which also isn't that un-common.... Last Edited by SHR on 05/03/2010 04:10 PM ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 792204 United States05/03/2010 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100%, of everything I have read it sounds as if that was the cause. Thanks for putting all in one nicely written condensed page. Quoting: JonesyMy main concern right now is not how it happened, but how to stop it. I have come up with one possible solution, but don't know how long it would take to build until they can tell what is left down there to work with. I am afraid there has already been tons of erosion occur. exactly.. everybody wants to speculate as to how it happened.. focus energy on how to stop it.. odds are you'll never know exactly what happened.. depends on how gullible you are to believe what they tell you.. The main problem I have, on the limited information available, is if there is truly 20,000 lbs. of pressure pushing the oil out. I need to get in contact with BP and throw my theory out, no charge, just want to save the gulf. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 949680 United States05/03/2010 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It makes sense as far as the sequence of events, but it makes NO sense as to how it was possible... Quoting: SHROne thing for sure...at least 3 things happened that should have been impossible to happen... 1) the BOP should have slammed closed, it didn't. And since they closed some today?...apparently it's still pretty intact. 2) the Emergency Gens NEVER should have came on. 3) the emergency gens should not have detonated the gas even if they did come on. The BOP series of malfunctions is still puzzling to me. Too many coincidences all at once. Good job SHR. |
| Jonesy User ID: 955654 United States05/03/2010 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With Haiti earthquake and Katrina plus other significant hurricanes, maybe include baja earthquake... and this gigantic problem.. you could say someone or something is focusing a lot of energy on this area. Wrath of God? coincidence? Si vis pacem, para bellum |
| Jonesy User ID: 955654 United States05/03/2010 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100%, of everything I have read it sounds as if that was the cause. Thanks for putting all in one nicely written condensed page. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792204My main concern right now is not how it happened, but how to stop it. I have come up with one possible solution, but don't know how long it would take to build until they can tell what is left down there to work with. I am afraid there has already been tons of erosion occur. exactly.. everybody wants to speculate as to how it happened.. focus energy on how to stop it.. odds are you'll never know exactly what happened.. depends on how gullible you are to believe what they tell you.. The main problem I have, on the limited information available, is if there is truly 20,000 lbs. of pressure pushing the oil out. I need to get in contact with BP and throw my theory out, no charge, just want to save the gulf. With all that pressure forcing oil out so fast and the weight of water on top theres got to be merit to the idea/theory that a void is/will form and potentially collapse sea floor... tsunami? quakes? Si vis pacem, para bellum |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SHR, are you suggesting that there was sabotage on the rig? Or are you just trying to connect the dots to how the accident occured. My brain isn't at all wired towards engineering, so could you or someone else put it into even simpler terms :) :sheep: Quoting: TruthHurtsI think this explains WHAT happened...as far as the sequence of events. It not does not explain how...I think at least 3 things that must have happened are...or should have been...virtually impossible. If it was sabotaged?....whomever sure as hell knew what they were doing and access to critical systems and also had done planning and set some things up. If it was say criminal neglagence?....they put parts where they would set of a fairly complicated sequence and take advantage of that....I just don't transocean doing that.....this rig made them more money working than sunk... There are however other parties that would benefit from this... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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| ZTE User ID: 779511 United States05/03/2010 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, I've pretty much ruled out the North Koreans. Quoting: SHRThe ATV guy says, "The emergency generators kicked on and BOOM, all she wrote"...I find that pretty credible...he doesn't seem to have a real dog in the hunt other than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...and his first video IS bp-109...as he says it is...and these rigs have a ton of sites about fishing around them...so this is pretty common thing...big balls to take a fairly small boat out that far...but apparently that is not too uncommon...very risky seeing how the gulf can kick up out of nowhere, but he may have more balls than brains....which also isn't that un-common.... I interview offshore fishermen (in the Gulf) weekly for newspapers and magazines, and they always fish off the oil rigs. None of the captains I know were fishing off that rig that day, but I know they would be very reliable in telling what happened (since they are there every day). I'd trust their descriptions over anyone else's personally, because they have nothing to hide/gain. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It makes sense as far as the sequence of events, but it makes NO sense as to how it was possible... Quoting: BatBoyOne thing for sure...at least 3 things happened that should have been impossible to happen... 1) the BOP should have slammed closed, it didn't. And since they closed some today?...apparently it's still pretty intact. 2) the Emergency Gens NEVER should have came on. 3) the emergency gens should not have detonated the gas even if they did come on. The BOP series of malfunctions is still puzzling to me. Too many coincidences all at once. Good job SHR. Too many coincidences all at once.....indeed. And how that whole monster sized assembly failed all at once right after being tested?....it's just TOO suspect...and they can close the annular rams NOW?....how the hell does THAT make sense.... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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| Andromeda User ID: 946938 United States05/03/2010 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently, multiple failures... some of which could have been anticipated... "The failure of the "shear ram," the set of steel blades intended to slash through a pipe at the top of a well and close off the flow of crude, should not have surprised BP or the corporations that work for it. Eight years ago, the Minerals Management Service found that 50 percent of the shear rams tested failed. So calling the failure of the "last resort device" an accident is like calling the damage caused by a drunken driver an accident. Failure to take the proper precautions is not an accident; it's negligence." [link to www.cnn.com] Poor anticipation of all scenarios, high-failure items used as fail-safes, plus the fact that this is a huge oil field at great depth and pressure pushing the limits of our technology. Just like with the financial meltdown, there's stupidity and greed in the experts who we trust too much. And it would be not at all surprising if it turns out there's some criminal insider crap going on. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, I've pretty much ruled out the North Koreans. Quoting: ZTEThe ATV guy says, "The emergency generators kicked on and BOOM, all she wrote"...I find that pretty credible...he doesn't seem to have a real dog in the hunt other than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...and his first video IS bp-109...as he says it is...and these rigs have a ton of sites about fishing around them...so this is pretty common thing...big balls to take a fairly small boat out that far...but apparently that is not too uncommon...very risky seeing how the gulf can kick up out of nowhere, but he may have more balls than brains....which also isn't that un-common.... I interview offshore fishermen (in the Gulf) weekly for newspapers and magazines, and they always fish off the oil rigs. None of the captains I know were fishing off that rig that day, but I know they would be very reliable in telling what happened (since they are there every day). I'd trust their descriptions over anyone else's personally, because they have nothing to hide/gain. The description that guy gave strikes me as credible...like you said...doesn't have a gain/lose dog in the hunt...he also isn't pretentious or claiming wild feats....just this happened, then this, don't really know wtf was going on but we hauled ass and boom when we heard and saw the gens kick on... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 792204 United States05/03/2010 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100%, of everything I have read it sounds as if that was the cause. Thanks for putting all in one nicely written condensed page. Quoting: JonesyMy main concern right now is not how it happened, but how to stop it. I have come up with one possible solution, but don't know how long it would take to build until they can tell what is left down there to work with. I am afraid there has already been tons of erosion occur. exactly.. everybody wants to speculate as to how it happened.. focus energy on how to stop it.. odds are you'll never know exactly what happened.. depends on how gullible you are to believe what they tell you.. The main problem I have, on the limited information available, is if there is truly 20,000 lbs. of pressure pushing the oil out. I need to get in contact with BP and throw my theory out, no charge, just want to save the gulf. With all that pressure forcing oil out so fast and the weight of water on top theres got to be merit to the idea/theory that a void is/will form and potentially collapse sea floor... tsunami? quakes? As the pressure is released, at a much higher rate than anticipated for smaller adjustments to the formation, that is a theory that could be plausable. This is new territory for pressure and depths. Might just be out of mans league. |
| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently, multiple failures... some of which could have been anticipated... Quoting: Andromeda"The failure of the "shear ram," the set of steel blades intended to slash through a pipe at the top of a well and close off the flow of crude, should not have surprised BP or the corporations that work for it. Eight years ago, the Minerals Management Service found that 50 percent of the shear rams tested failed. So calling the failure of the "last resort device" an accident is like calling the damage caused by a drunken driver an accident. Failure to take the proper precautions is not an accident; it's negligence." [link to www.cnn.com] Poor anticipation of all scenarios, high-failure items used as fail-safes, plus the fact that this is a huge oil field at great depth and pressure pushing the limits of our technology. Just like with the financial meltdown, there's stupidity and greed in the experts who we trust too much. And it would be not at all surprising if it turns out there's some criminal insider crap going on. 50% might fail...but they have at least FOUR of them in this stack...maybe 8....but it's made to be redundant because in the harsh conditions not all are going to cut it....but all of them?....I fail to believe they can ALL fail.... and CNN has a total agenda...I doubt most of them that are screaming eviorment rape for oil money! ahhhh!...can work a frikkin Plier.... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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| SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 05/03/2010 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at 2:55 in part2 of the audio interview the guy has a freudian slip ! I suggest you hear it again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 960004A bomb was planted imho. Wouldn';t be the first time someone describes something as a "Floating bomb"...or uses the word bomb to desribe such a thing, but he does say "when the bomb went off"...then clarifies that he meant the gas as a bomb....people can decide for themselves on that one....but I'm not ruling out Sabotage by any means at all yet.....too much shit went wrong all at once for this NOT to be highly suspect IMO. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 960108 United States05/03/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So basically, we need to figure out where that initial spark came from, which set off the gas. And to add to that what the hell went wrong with those generators (if they did create a spark). I guess it could have come from something as simple as dropping a wrench, but I haven't read as much as you have. Quoting: ZTEHowever, I've pretty much ruled out the North Koreans. Dude, you got a light? |
