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Cheap New Metal Catalyst Can Split Hydrogen Gas From Water at a Fraction of the Cost

 
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ScienceDaily (May 1, 2010) — Hydrogen would command a key role in future renewable energy technologies, experts agree, if a relatively cheap, efficient and carbon-neutral means of producing it can be developed. An important step towards this elusive goal has been taken by a team of researchers with the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and the University of California, Berkeley. The team has discovered an inexpensive metal catalyst that can effectively generate hydrogen gas from water.

"Our new proton reduction catalyst is based on a molybdenum-oxo metal complex that is about 70 times cheaper than platinum, today's most widely used metal catalyst for splitting the water molecule," said Hemamala Karunadasa, one of the co-discoverers of this complex. "In addition, our catalyst does not require organic additives, and can operate in neutral water, even if it is dirty, and can operate in sea water, the most abundant source of hydrogen on earth and a natural electrolyte. These qualities make our catalyst ideal for renewable energy and sustainable chemistry."

Karunadasa holds joint appointments with Berkeley Lab's Chemical Sciences Division and UC Berkeley's Chemistry Department. She is the lead author of a paper describing this work that appears in the April 29, 2010 issue of the journal Nature, titled "A molecular molybdenum-oxo catalyst for generating hydrogen from water." Co-authors of this paper were Christopher Chang and Jeffrey Long, who also hold joint appointments with Berkeley Lab and UC Berkeley. Chang, in addition, is also an investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI).

Hydrogen gas, whether combusted or used in fuel cells to generate electricity, emits only water vapor as an exhaust product, which is why this nation would already be rolling towards a hydrogen economy if only there were hydrogen wells to tap. However, hydrogen gas does not occur naturally and has to be produced. Most of the hydrogen gas in the United States today comes from natural gas, a fossil fuel. While inexpensive, this technique adds huge volumes of carbon emissions to the atmosphere. Hydrogen can also be produced through the electrolysis of water -- using electricity to split molecules of water into molecules of hydrogen and oxygen. This is an environmentally clean and sustainable method of production -- especially if the electricity is generated via a renewable technology such as solar or wind -- but requires a water-splitting catalyst.

Nature has developed extremely efficient water-splitting enzymes -- called hydrogenases -- for use by plants during photosynthesis, however, these enzymes are highly unstable and easily deactivated when removed from their native environment. Human activities demand a stable metal catalyst that can operate under non-biological settings.

Metal catalysts are commercially available, but they are low valence precious metals whose high costs make their widespread use prohibitive. For example, platinum, the best of them, costs some $2,000 an ounce.


This research was supported in part by the DOE Office of Science through Berkeley Lab's Helios Solar Energy Research Center, and in part by a grant from the National science Foundation.


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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

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That is great they found a new metal for a Catalyst, platinum is very expensive. Cool! clappa

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How do I power a Generator for electricity and my car with Hydrogen?
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How do I power a Generator for electricity and my car with Hydrogen?
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1 choice-burn the Hydrogen gas (like a propane engine)
hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline and only gives off water
it also is less dangerous because you are only storing a tank of water in your vehicle
IF the conversion can be done with less power (which is the problem with this)
Fuel cells would be another method
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very cool!
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Not if I have anything to say about it, America haters!
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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

damned
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They've been published so they'll be fine.
Twenty grand dood, it's a lot of money!

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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

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They've been published so they'll be fine.
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Hydrocrackers are common. This is just a new and much better catalyst. No one's going to "off" the scientists.

This is just an opportunity for new industry.
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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

damned


They've been published so they'll be fine.



Hydrocrackers are common. This is just a new and much better catalyst. No one's going to "off" the scientists.

This is just an opportunity for new industry.
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Strangely enough, there is a dull, boring business story on the front page of today's South China Morning Post -

'Sichuan firm buying deposits of key metal
A privately owned Chinese company is poised to take control of two of the world's biggest deposits of a key metal. Sichuan Hanlong, little known outside the mainland is building up its reserves of molybdenum, which is used for hardening steel, in nuclear power plants and for missiles and aircraft parts.'

FWIW
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Strangely enough, there is a dull, boring business story on the front page of today's South China Morning Post -

'Sichuan firm buying deposits of key metal
A privately owned Chinese company is poised to take control of two of the world's biggest deposits of a key metal. Sichuan Hanlong, little known outside the mainland is building up its reserves of molybdenum, which is used for hardening steel, in nuclear power plants and for missiles and aircraft parts.'

FWIW
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Whoa molly.

Chinese will practically own this new catalyst then.
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How do I power a Generator for electricity and my car with Hydrogen?
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How about the sun to get the ball rolling?
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Strangely enough, there is a dull, boring business story on the front page of today's South China Morning Post -

'Sichuan firm buying deposits of key metal
A privately owned Chinese company is poised to take control of two of the world's biggest deposits of a key metal. Sichuan Hanlong, little known outside the mainland is building up its reserves of molybdenum, which is used for hardening steel, in nuclear power plants and for missiles and aircraft parts.'

FWIW


Whoa molly.

Chinese will practically own this new catalyst then.
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Guess who has figured it out?
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Hydrogen will not be economically viable within the next 10 years at least! All these hidrogen stories are science fiction!!
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Strangely enough, there is a dull, boring business story on the front page of today's South China Morning Post -

'Sichuan firm buying deposits of key metal
A privately owned Chinese company is poised to take control of two of the world's biggest deposits of a key metal. Sichuan Hanlong, little known outside the mainland is building up its reserves of molybdenum, which is used for hardening steel, in nuclear power plants and for missiles and aircraft parts.'

FWIW


Whoa molly.

Chinese will practically own this new catalyst then.


Guess who has figured it out?
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OMG they will flood the markets with cheap hho gas cars

That´s bittersweet - like having your wisdom tooth removed by a topless nurse.
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Hydrogen will not be economically viable within the next 10 years at least! All these hidrogen stories are science fiction!!
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In China it will.

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What a bunch of crap! Pigs like these are only interested in making lots of money off hydrogen. This is just their latest "hope" chum for the masses, making it sound like they really care about our planet and want to help. I have a water ionizer for making drinking water with platinum in it and yes, it would be nice to have a cheaper one but the above is just talking about making it cheaper to obtain the hydrogen WHEN NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING TO OBTAIN IT AND USE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Big companies who could make this work for people will not be allowed to exist because it takes too big a chunk out of what we spend. How long have we been hearing about hydrogen? And why is it not in mass produced cars yet? It is in some cars, but it's because people have been working on it themselves and they finally got it.

You can buy electrolyzers for your car and run them off gasoline and water. They aren't using platinum, they are using steel. The hydrogen goes in with the gasoline so you get maybe 30% increased mpg. You can build them yourself, but for the mechanically declined, like me, there are a few for sale:

[link to punchhho.com]

I like this guy's generators, they're affordable and I think he's legit. I've emailed him and I just have to make sure the EFIE works out with my propane. I'm going to order one here soon. There are a few others, just google for HHO generators.

To give you an idea of what you need, you need the electrolyzer which splits the water molecules and gives you hydrogen gas - it connects to the car battery for power. Cost from Punch $400 ($200 for small cars) Then you need an EFIE (another $100, give or take, depending on which one you need) to modify the electronics because your altered fuel mix is going to cause the oxygen sensor to read differently and cause the computer to make changes. And you need a bubbler (comes with electrolyzer on Punch's site) to make sure the hydrogen gas does not back up into the electrolyzer and go "boom". It is highly flammable. Punch makes their electrolyzers out of bulletproof plastic which can withstand the temp under the hood of a car.

Like someone already said, the hydrogen burns and the waste is "water" which will make your engine run cooler and last longer. So you spend less on gas and less on repairs. This is only a money maker for US, not for THEM. If you are mechanically inclined and are out of a job right now, this would be a good thing to start making. You could start by selling them to your friends. They really do work and it would spread pretty fast by word of mouth.

There are some people who have made their own on youtube and I remember watching one guy's video and reading his article. He said he and his friend were lighting the little hydrogen bubbles that were coming up out of his bubbler (I think) and they were making satisfying pops like firecrackers. But then his friend lit an extra large bubble and they had a mini explosion which messed up things in his garage and he couldn't hear for 3 days. So read up on it a bit first if you decide to do it yourself and kids, don't try this at home!

This is how it starts, friends, one at a time by word of mouth before TPTB start putting it new laws to stop it.
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That´s bittersweet - like having your wisdom tooth removed by a topless nurse.
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LOL

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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

damned
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big oil thugs will make him an offer he cannot refuse.
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its cool, but someone will buy it and shove it under the rug.

An acquaintance of mine, who just attained his PhD. in MEngineering, discovered a material with significantly higher heat transfer properties than classically allowed. Somehow, Apple got ahold of the rights for the material and only let him devise a testing procedure for it, but never let him find out why it had these thermodynamic properties.
So go buy and Iphone, crack it. get the graphite based material out of it and RESEARCH!
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Nothing will come of this..

Just like the nanotube batteries, the cure for cancer, the technique that allows a human cell to live forever....

It will be sold to a foreign company and forgotten about in a week or two..

Americans are lazy and stupid and lack the skill to be entrepreneurs.
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ScienceDaily (May 1, 2010) — Hydrogen would command a key role in future renewable energy technologies, experts agree, if a relatively cheap, efficient and carbon-neutral means of producing it can be developed. An important step towards this elusive goal has been taken by a team of researchers with the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and the University of California, Berkeley. The team has discovered an inexpensive metal catalyst that can effectively generate hydrogen gas from water.

"Our new proton reduction catalyst is based on a molybdenum-oxo metal complex that is about 70 times cheaper than platinum, today's most widely used metal catalyst for splitting the water molecule," said Hemamala Karunadasa, one of the co-discoverers of this complex. "In addition, our catalyst does not require organic additives, and can operate in neutral water, even if it is dirty, and can operate in sea water, the most abundant source of hydrogen on earth and a natural electrolyte. These qualities make our catalyst ideal for renewable energy and sustainable chemistry."

Karunadasa holds joint appointments with Berkeley Lab's Chemical Sciences Division and UC Berkeley's Chemistry Department. She is the lead author of a paper describing this work that appears in the April 29, 2010 issue of the journal Nature, titled "A molecular molybdenum-oxo catalyst for generating hydrogen from water." Co-authors of this paper were Christopher Chang and Jeffrey Long, who also hold joint appointments with Berkeley Lab and UC Berkeley. Chang, in addition, is also an investigator with the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI).

Hydrogen gas, whether combusted or used in fuel cells to generate electricity, emits only water vapor as an exhaust product, which is why this nation would already be rolling towards a hydrogen economy if only there were hydrogen wells to tap. However, hydrogen gas does not occur naturally and has to be produced. Most of the hydrogen gas in the United States today comes from natural gas, a fossil fuel. While inexpensive, this technique adds huge volumes of carbon emissions to the atmosphere. Hydrogen can also be produced through the electrolysis of water -- using electricity to split molecules of water into molecules of hydrogen and oxygen. This is an environmentally clean and sustainable method of production -- especially if the electricity is generated via a renewable technology such as solar or wind -- but requires a water-splitting catalyst.

Nature has developed extremely efficient water-splitting enzymes -- called hydrogenases -- for use by plants during photosynthesis, however, these enzymes are highly unstable and easily deactivated when removed from their native environment. Human activities demand a stable metal catalyst that can operate under non-biological settings.

Metal catalysts are commercially available, but they are low valence precious metals whose high costs make their widespread use prohibitive. For example, platinum, the best of them, costs some $2,000 an ounce.

"The basic scientific challenge has been to create earth-abundant molecular systems that produce hydrogen from water with high catalytic activity and stability," Chang says. "We believe our discovery of a molecular molybdenum-oxo catalyst for generating hydrogen from water without the use of additional acids or organic co-solvents establishes a new chemical paradigm for creating reduction catalysts that are highly active and robust in aqueous media."

The molybdenum-oxo complex that Karunadasa, Chang and Long discovered is a high valence metal with the chemical name of (PY5Me2)Mo-oxo. In their studies, the research team found that this complex catalyzes the generation of hydrogen from neutral buffered water or even sea water with a turnover frequency of 2.4 moles of hydrogen per mole of catalyst per second.

Long says, "This metal-oxo complex represents a distinct molecular motif for reduction catalysis that has high activity and stability in water. We are now focused on modifying the PY5Me ligand portion of the complex and investigating other metal complexes based on similar ligand platforms to further facilitate electrical charge-driven as well as light-driven catalytic processes. Our particular emphasis is on chemistry relevant to sustainable energy cycles."

This research was supported in part by the DOE Office of Science through Berkeley Lab's Helios Solar Energy Research Center, and in part by a grant from the National science Foundation.


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These people do not understand the big picture... water is a much more valuable resource than hydrogen gas or oil! What a plan! let's convert our water supply to hydrogen gas, which we can burn to get rid of oxygen in our atmosphere, it's the most idiotic idea ever!
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This will disappear, and the scientists will "commit suicide".

damned
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You always hear about these new amazing advances in science and medicine and then -----------Nothing
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For autos, reduce the amount of hydrogen but use all the oxygen. Hydrogen will cause engine metal to weaken by about 40,000 miles. It is called hydrogen embrittlement.
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Strangely enough, there is a dull, boring business story on the front page of today's South China Morning Post -

'Sichuan firm buying deposits of key metal
A privately owned Chinese company is poised to take control of two of the world's biggest deposits of a key metal. Sichuan Hanlong, little known outside the mainland is building up its reserves of molybdenum, which is used for hardening steel, in nuclear power plants and for missiles and aircraft parts.'

FWIW


Whoa molly.

Chinese will practically own this new catalyst then.


Guess who has figured it out?


OMG they will flood the markets with cheap hho gas cars

That´s bittersweet - like having your wisdom tooth removed by a topless nurse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 959941

Problem with hho (Browns gas) is that it doesn't expand when it explodes....burns actually....no one seems to really know why it doesn't, but it's one the odd properites of that gas...I think it has other potentials, but using it as an combustion fuel isn't one of them....

Tanks of Hydrogen are really pretty much not very viable for an automobile engine...however if someone could invent a way to crack the water molecule fast enough?....it might have some potential as a "booster" sort of system for engines...

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For autos, reduce the amount of hydrogen but use all the oxygen. Hydrogen will cause engine metal to weaken by about 40,000 miles. It is called hydrogen embrittlement.
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I would guess some big brains somewhere have some platings that will pretty much make that a non issue...still talking about making costly engines though....

Hey I made a motor that gets 500 mpg!......uuuh, but it runs on Fabragee' eggs and bald Eagle heads....soooo....it's kinda spensive....

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How do I power a Generator for electricity and my car with Hydrogen?

1 choice-burn the Hydrogen gas (like a propane engine)
hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline and only gives off water
it also is less dangerous because you are only storing a tank of water in your vehicle
IF the conversion can be done with less power (which is the problem with this)
Fuel cells would be another method
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I haven't read the entire thread yet, so if this was already mentioned, just over look it.

But is this fresh water or salt water? Are they creating a fuel that will drain us of life giving water we survive on?
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How do I power a Generator for electricity and my car with Hydrogen?

1 choice-burn the Hydrogen gas (like a propane engine)
hydrogen burns hotter than gasoline and only gives off water
it also is less dangerous because you are only storing a tank of water in your vehicle
IF the conversion can be done with less power (which is the problem with this)
Fuel cells would be another method

I haven't read the entire thread yet, so if this was already mentioned, just over look it.

But is this fresh water or salt water? Are they creating a fuel that will drain us of life giving water we survive on?
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Yes...become the BORG...resistence is futile...soon there will be water wells everywhere....mwuahahaha....MWuHAhAHAhA.....MWUAHAHHAHHA!!!
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