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BREAKING - Gulf Oil Spill is Releasing Methane - I said it then and now is confirmed 5000:1

 
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Seems like the methane gas situation would be a real opportunity for and enemy that wants to take advantage of igniting it and then attacking
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I MIGHT ADD :alien enemy...
read this:

A)-

7.Why do you have wars?"
Location. Near Naples, Florida
Date: 1970
Time: late evening
After a days work a local police officer had stopped for a brief
rest on the inland waterway and had walked to the water's edge. He
then began hearing a low humming sound, as the sound became clearer
he noticed a flicker of light, which began to develop into a form,
of a man in what looked like some type of a space suit, floating a
few feet above the water. The humming sound became a voice that he
heard in his mind. The suit was like a lead color, but a little more
reflective in nature. The helmet had a face shield, of a glass like
material, also somewhat reflective. He was able to see a vague
outline of a head and a face. For the most part it seemed human. The
voice asked him, "Why do you have wars?" The witness said he did not
know.

It then went to ask about killing, and types of weapons and
how they worked. Who was picked to fight wars, and how or why.
At one point the witness saw various images inside his brain and felt
like there was some type of exchange of information going on. Then
the images and the voice stopped. Right after that, the figure told
him that it would return to visit him again sometime and then it
faded away. Although it seemed like only a half hour or so had
passed, the clock on the dashboard said it had been 2 & ½ hours. The
witness went home and went to sleep.

HC addendum
Source: Fortean Times
Type: E Encounter with isolated humanoid entity.
High Strangeness Index: "8"
ROS: "7"
Comments: This shape shifting ability has been reported before and
after. The concern about wars is a common motif in this type of
encounter.(****nb:comment NOT of me!)

B)-14.(THEY KILL!!!)
Location. Kyrgyzstan, exact location not given
Date: 1990
Time: various
Shepherd Omusha's wife reported seeing a strange Bigfoot type creature not far from the pasture. The creature was standing on a high rock. She started pleading her husband to leave the horrid place and go to another pasture. The man did not agree, although he was anxious about it too. He began searching for the creatures; he found their tracks, but never saw a living one. One evening he heard his wife screaming very loudly. He grabbed his rifle and rushed outside. The wife was lying on the ground, almost unconscious. She was speechless and could not say a word. She could only point her finger in the direction of the rocks. The shepherd gazed in the direction that she was pointing and saw the silhouette of a running man. He did not hesitate and fired his rifle. In the morning the shepherd found blood spots on the rocks. Omush thought that those creatures would not come back to their pasture anymore. Several days later he found his little son dead. There was no trace of violence on the boy's body, only a little wound on his neck. Omush was sure that a Bigfoot killed his boy. He swore revenge and waited for the creature to return. One night he fell asleep and when he entered his house in the morning, he found the dead body of his wife. Again, there was only a small red wound on her neck. Out of desperation he went into the woods searching for the creatures. Shepherd Shapak took care of Omush's sheep. One day he suddenly saw the sheep getting very troubled and excited. They were bleating and rushing from one side to another. The animals were apparently frightened with something. Shapak could only see a silhouette of a man covered with thick fur disappearing amid bushes and trees. Then he saw another man on the ground. Shapak ran up to him and recognized Omush. The shepherd was already dead, blood was leaking from a small wound on his neck.

HC addendum
Source: Dmitry Sudako, Anomalia.Ru
Type: E

Location. Vancouver British Columbia Canada
Date: January 30 1990
Time: night
The witness was sitting at home watching television when she suddenly found herself being taken onboard a craft. She was taken to a very large round compartment resembling an airport hangar. There were many tables in the room each with a human on it, some were crying and screaming. She then was able to see several short gray colored humanoids with huge black slanted eyes and large heads, watching her through what appeared to be a large glass divider. They seemed to have an expression of fear on their faces, since the witness believed they had lost "control" of her. She also wandered into another room filled with upright containers. Inside the containers was a liquid and motionless human bodies.

HC addition # 1016
Source: Lorne Goldfader, The Leading Edge # 21
Type: G
---
Here is a very good description:

Location. Near Stasov, Kapustin Yar, Russia
Date: February 18 1990
Time: 0745A
Teenager Dmitriy Milkin was ice fishing in the banks of the Ahtuba River when he was suddenly confronted by a globe-shaped object resembling two hemispheres placed together. The craft landed on three pods, a hatch opened in the lower section and a ladder was automatically released to the ground. Two tall aliens (more than 2 m in height) came out. He described them as having oblong faces, large eyes, and small mouth, dressed in metallic looking outfits. They wore small caps on their heads with two short antennas. Via telepathy the aliens said, "You will fly with us", clearly heard inside the witness head. Apparently some kind of preliminary mental influence was "beamed" inside the teenager even before he noticed the UFO. The witness felt, as he was being treated indifferent by the aliens and felt somewhat inferior. He was taken onboard and found himself in a round room about 8 m in diameter. There he saw control panels, buttons, screens and other equipment around. The room had 6 seats. He was told to seat in a single armchair made out of semi-transparent yellowish material. One of the pilots pressed a button, and a flight program was apparently inserted into the ship's "computer", he then heard a telepathic command: "Close your eyes and don't be afraid, we will say when to open them again." Then Milkin felt heaviness on his body, he partially opened his eyes and was stunned to see the hour pointer in his watched rotating faster than the minute pointer. The whole flight lasted only 40-45 seconds. After the craft landed he went outside and was confronted by an alien landscape. There were two suns: the bigger star was of the orange color; the second sun was dark orange in color. The flora was dense and the trees were of unusually bright green color. The ground was sandy color, but not sand. The air was extremely fresh, uncommonly light and tasty. The gravitational pull was less than the earth. He saw several other crafts there, some looking like spheres others disc-shaped. He was accompanied to a 2-story building, light bluish in color, with some yellowish elements, of almost cubic shape, with a domed shaped roof and big glassy windows. He was then sat in a room where a meal was presented to him. Incredibly, the spoon had Russian markings on it. (!). The food resembled Jell-O and was tasty and sweet. Later he saw robotic creatures apparently used for domestic purposes. The aliens spoke among themselves in a tonal language. He was told that: "He was not fit for their purpose because of your mental capabilities". And he was returned back to earth. One last stunning detail: The alien spacecraft was some sort of interstellar machine, since when they arrived to earth it apparently was in the distant future. The aliens asked him if he wanted to stay in this time, but he refused. After the encounter Milkin mental capabilities apparently improved.

HC addendum
Source: Gennadiy S Belimov, Anton Anfalov
Type: G
---


93.(PLANET TILT...)
Location. Rostov, Russia
Date: May 1990
Time: daytime
Yuri Yakovlev had just arrived at an ecological resort island in order to relax and enjoy nature. He stepped out of his car and lit a cigarette. Suddenly a strange flying object appeared from behind some trees, it was shaped like a convex lens. It then started hovering directly above the witness. Two columns of light were sharply directed towards the ground. They resembled round poles of light. Inside one of the columns an alien woman appeared, she was very tall, slender, with an elongated face. She asked Mr. Yakovlev, "What is your name?" He said, "Yuri...what is yours"? "Khash Ka" she answered. "Who are you?" He retorted. Her reply was " I am a member of a team studying civilization on Earth. I need additional data...remember, soon a great catastrophe will occurred on earth, on third of humanity will die!" The woman then disappeared. The columns of light were then pulled back inside the bottom of the disk. The object then moved with a jerk and disappeared.

HC addendum
Source: Aleksey Priyma, "UFOs Witness to the Unknown" Anton Anfalov
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BASE at the bottom of LAKE CHAPALA /Mexico.

23.
Location. Near Chiquihuitillo Mexico
Date: February 1995
Time: 2000
Rafael Garcia Arias was driving his truck near Lake Chapala when he saw a flash of light emerge from the nearby mountains and disappear into the distance. Immediately next to him, in the passenger seat, a small man about 30 cm in height appeared. Surprised he asked the little man where he was from and was told "From Lake Chapala." The little man then said that they had a base at the depths of the lake. The witness reportedly then saw a vision of a submerged "city" encased in a glass like case. He was told that they were descendants of a crashed UFO that went down in the area thousands of years ago.

HC addendum
Source: Fabio Picasso
Type: E & F




(****My comment:there are many who awaits to get a planet for themselves as you can see!Read:)

(I cannot find it as you know...SOMETHING avoids me to find it at the moment but I will post as soon I retrieve it)...
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Here are the points confirming Methane release...

(1) Hydrate Crystals formed in the containment box.
(2) Reddish/Orange slick
(3) Methane was what detonated on the Rig
(4) Location of punctured reserves

Now, we need to get some estimates of just how much Methane or Methane Hydrate is escaping? How much the Gulf waters is absorbing and how much is being released into the atmosphere as gas?


This can have a massive impact on global temperatures.

This could result in an explosion so large it has never been seen before by man.

Such an explosion could have irreversable consequences of great magnitudes. Civilization may crumble under the stress, wars may break out and the air may stink of death for months, maybe years.
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Okay...in the movie, Evolution, they figured out that selenium, such as is in Head and Shoulders Shampoo, would destroy the alien monsters, save Arizona and thus the World.

Isn't there some way to add something to the mix to change the gas into something else? Banking soda would prolly make it worse...? But what about vinegar or something like that?

I'm no chemist...or whatever it takes to understand this stuff. Anybody have a clue?

We need a neutralizer. (off to google now...)
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A better question would be: "How much of the well head, pipe, etc is left"?

I'll answer my own question by saying NONE!

It is an unbridled Oil Volcano.


Hey idiot, stop fear-mongering i said. Did you not see the released video? It's leaking out of a pipe is shown and is NOT A VOLCANO: [link to news.bbc.co.uk]

It's still a disaster but at least not a volcano.
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actually the crystals and sand shooting out under pressure will take care of that (erode)it in a hurry;
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The red-orange rust color very likely has to do with the methane.

When that big blue lake exploded in Africa from methane deposits underneath it, one of the things noticed about it afterwards was that the water was no longer blue but a "rust color".


So, basically speaking, that mostly proves there is a large amount of methane with the oil release?


Apparently, from the many articles about it, methane deposits are always expected when one drills for oil, since the two go hand in hand.

These deposits are one of the primary reasons for all the fail safe systems.

What appears different this time was the size of the well. With literally billions of barrels to be had, this well was the largest ever found. They must have known the risk of a LARGE pool of methane coming along with it. And no doubt thought they were ready for it.

I read of an interview with one of the people on the deck at the time. He said that the failsafes appeared to have been turned off.

There is no way that this was not sabotage. The timing is too perfect. I have to agree with those here who think this was an opportunity just waiting to happen. The Nazis have nothing to lose. There were many opportunities:
1) Halliburton was involved. nuf said. Cheney is one of the Nazi Princes.
2) There was a surprise 'inspection' just two days prior by the EPA(?)...anyway, The Feds. Normally one man might come on board. And even that is so very rare. This time a whole team showed up. A shipload. And went about their business. And left.
3) the Sorcha Fall Korean scenario.
4) Anyone who was afraid the control of oil was going to shift to the Brits. hmmmmm...

Now for the timing:
1) This happened the same day that Obama's affair was revealed in two rags. Story immediately disappeared with this event.
2) The Nazis NWO is on its deathbed. Its Mafiosa has its back to the wall and the entire world is pointing M-16s at their heads. (they don't have hearts)
3) Return America Plan is making headway in government offices and courts all over this country. Military is firmly behind it. The bad guys have got to stop it. How do you keep a 'government' no matter how corrupt, in office? Create a crisis bigger than their corruption.

And there you have it...
Take your pick. Or choose all of the above.
There is more but it gets too woo woo for most folks...
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lay off the Meth; HALLITOSIS carelessness is about the only likely of them all
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A better question would be: "How much of the well head, pipe, etc is left"?

I'll answer my own question by saying NONE!

It is an unbridled Oil Volcano.


Hey idiot, stop fear-mongering i said. Did you not see the released video? It's leaking out of a pipe is shown and is NOT A VOLCANO: [link to news.bbc.co.uk]

It's still a disaster but at least not a volcano.



actually the crystals and sand shooting out under pressure will take care of that (erode)it in a hurry;
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Leaking from the SEA BED. First it was just FOX news saying it. Now it's the BBC as well. They're not saying "pipe" anymore. They're using the term "sea bed", probably introducing it slowly and doing the old MSM-terminology-switcheroo thing. Cripes. Do they think we're too stupid to notice that they're changing the story from "leaking from a riser" to "leaking from the sea bed"?

"Underwater footage showing oil gushing into the ocean from the sea-bed (on 3 May), and the attempts of a remotely operated vehicle to contain one of the leaks (on 4 and 5 May), have been released by British Petroleum (BP).

Work is continuing to lower a giant funnel onto the bed of the Gulf of Mexico in an attempt to contain oil gushing from leaks in a blown-out well. "
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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>>By Sunday, the box the size of a house could be capturing up to 85 percent of the oil.



How so? with no siphon attached the box will fill in 5 mins and tip over or be blown off the leak
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Breaking ROFL: Oil Spill Dome FAILED Miserably! Time to NUKE it shut! [link to www.youtube.com]
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if the well head has been eroded away by the constant blast of sand and crystals,

THEN MAYBE A HOLE LARGER THAN THE 100 ton CONTAINMENT BOX HAS OPENED IN THE SEA FLOOR

Thus it is unusable




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So explain the claims of conducting limited "burn-offs" of crude in the vicinity of the leak? Wouldn't that be STUPID with a methane leak of that caliber in close proximity?
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yeah, I was wondering about that. That whole area is a giant gas stove leak. waiting for a spark
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I mean around the rig-1 square mile?
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Copyright that shit!

you could have a script in two hours and you can sell it to that Emmerich prick for his next disaster movie.
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LOL! ya got that right
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Thats why theres no large slick dispite a high flow rate. It's mostly gasses coming out of the well. Thats why theyre not allowing the well to be filmed from above. Theyve punctured the barrier thats been holding this gas back and like popping a balloon with a pinprick, it doesnt take much. WHat youd expect is for the escaping gasses to gradually erode around the well casing and blow the well completely out. Theyve fucked up big time, what they thought was oil was a deposit of methane hydrate
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Serious?
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Thats why theres no large slick dispite a high flow rate. It's mostly gasses coming out of the well. Thats why theyre not allowing the well to be filmed from above. Theyve punctured the barrier thats been holding this gas back and like popping a balloon with a pinprick, it doesnt take much. WHat youd expect is for the escaping gasses to gradually erode around the well casing and blow the well completely out. Theyve fucked up big time, what they thought was oil was a deposit of methane hydrate



Serious?
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It is looking that way, yes.

btw guys, this spill is now going to be classified IMPOSSIBLE to stop.

Why?

That box clogged and failed in less then 24 hours. That massive 4-story tall box clogged in LESS THEN 24 HOURS. Any pipe will clog much faster.

So, the relief well being drilled will fail. Any method to pipe the flow will fail.

The only way to cap it is to relieve pressures but that can't be done.

The ONLY option left is nuclear, and that may fail as well.



Make peace with your life. We are ALL fucked BIG TIME!!!
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So explain the claims of conducting limited "burn-offs" of crude in the vicinity of the leak? Wouldn't that be STUPID with a methane leak of that caliber in close proximity?



yeah, I was wondering about that. That whole area is a giant gas stove leak. waiting for a spark
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Actually Navy was burning it yesterday: [link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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I think that the containment box wasn't meant to be a long term fix for the spill but was put over the spill to get a sample of how much methane is being released with the spill. The sample apparently contained quite a few methane crystals.
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UPDATE:
The effort to place a containment dome over a gushing wellhead was dealt a setback when a large volume of hydrates - crystals formed when gas combines with water - accumulated inside of the vessel, BP's chief operating officer said Saturday.

The dome was moved off to the side of the wellhead and is resting on the seabed while crews work to overcome the challenge, Doug Settles said.


This confirms a large amount of Methane Hydrate is flooding from the well. This is bad, very, very bad. VERY BAD!!!

END UPDATE

It has been publically released today, Methane pocket is what caused the rig to explode.

Two things come to mind and both are bad news.

(1) It is a cover story. Which means the truth is serious enough to hide.

(2) The Methane Story is true. This means the spill has been releasing methane as well.

It would explain the Coast Guards ban over the Gulf of Mexico. Fears of sparking an explosion.

Methane is highly explosive in its gas state mixed with oxygen. The methane in the reserve is probably in a liquid state due to the pressures.

Just how much methane is being released? That is a crucial question. Enough can create an explosion so large it would shock the world. The size of the natural methane 'bomb' is only limited to how much methane can be released before it is ignited by lightning or other source of spark.

This is no laughing matter as scientists know methane explosions have happen before and can be very, very large. Thousands of times in magnitude of the largest nuclear bomb built by the Russians.

So, the big question is, just how much methane is being released. If the rig was destroyed by a methane pocket, how much methane is down there?
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Hmmm, is the story we're getting even close to the truth? Found this-

Mining the Oceans' Natural Gas
By Katrina C. Arabe
Below the ocean floor lies a vast reserve of frozen natural gas--200,000 trillion cubic feet, geologists estimate. The big question is--could this be the clean and abundant fuel source we've been searching for?

Since the 1970s, researchers have been intrigued by methane hydrates, mysterious deposits of natural gas that hold promise as a sustainable energy resource. The problem was that very little was known about these crystalline solids--where they could be found, how plentiful they were, and how to extract them. As a result, their true potential remained shrouded in mystery.

Not anymore. According to a February 2005 Mechanical Engineering magazine article, dedicated research programs in the U.S. and around the world are uncovering many answers. Encouragingly, they suggest that the "commercial production of methane from hydrate may now be just around the corner," says the article. It reports that through field studies in places such as the waters off Oregon, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Alaskan North Slope, it's become evident that tapping into the methane in these solids is both "technically feasible and economically viable." And it can be done with current technologies. In fact, in Alaska, geologists are already plotting out ways to commercially produce methane from the hydrates they have spotted.

What's more, the vastness of this potential resource has been backed up by data. Ten years ago, the U.S. Geological Survey was the first to systematically quantify the methane volumes in hydrates in the U.S. and bounding continental shelves. Now, integrating the latest data, geologists place that estimate at 200,000 trillion cubic feet, which is equivalent to about 2,000 times the current amount of energy the U.S. consumes in a year. Global estimates, meanwhile, vary by several orders of magnitude, due to remaining uncertainties. However, even by the most conservative figures, gas-in-place volumes in methane hydrates are said to be 10 times greater than all recoverable natural gas in the world.

Article author Ray Boswell, technology manager for methane hydrates at the U.S. Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory, points out that the viable production of methane from these hydrates will help ensure the "long-term supply of natural gas, an environmentally friendly fuel with enormous economic and energy security benefits to the nation."

These frozen undersea deposits of natural gas are exceedingly difficult to study, however. Found in marine sediments and in the Arctic, they melt at room temperature at sea level, dissociating into water and methane. (Methane hydrate is a solid substance, in which host water molecules trap methane molecules without bonding them.) Thus, specialized equipment, such as pressure-retaining containers, and sophisticated technologies, such as computed tomography X-ray scanning and nuclear magnetic resonance imaging, are a must in the study of methane hydrates.

According to Mechanical Engineering, "the promise of methane hydrate is this: It is a very efficient storehouse of energy. When dissociated, a single cubic foot of solid hydrate releases as much as 180 cubic feet of methane gas." In methane hydrates, the natural gas is trapped solid within.

Now the tough part is figuring out how to competitively mine this resource. They reside after all in tough-to-reach low temperature-high pressure settings, in particular in sediments under some 500 meters or more of water and in some Arctic continental areas. Deep-water operations obviously will not come cheap. What's more, the environmental implications of exploiting these deposits still have to be explored.

Mechanical Engineering poses the question, "Will methane hydrate fuel the future?" The answer seems to be "we'll see"--researchers still have to figure out how much producible methane there is in these frozen deposits.

Source:

Buried Treasure
Ray Boswell

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this is so. fkg. bad.
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And this from BP-

[link to www.netl.doe.gov]
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Incidentally, I am not a fear-mongerer, just a good researcher. Death is an illusion, but it is time for the world to wake up and start shifting conciousness in a postive direction and away from greed.
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The red-orange rust color very likely has to do with the methane.

When that big blue lake exploded in Africa from methane deposits underneath it, one of the things noticed about it afterwards was that the water was no longer blue but a "rust color".


So, basically speaking, that mostly proves there is a large amount of methane with the oil release?


Apparently, from the many articles about it, methane deposits are always expected when one drills for oil, since the two go hand in hand.

These deposits are one of the primary reasons for all the fail safe systems.

What appears different this time was the size of the well. With literally billions of barrels to be had, this well was the largest ever found. They must have known the risk of a LARGE pool of methane coming along with it. And no doubt thought they were ready for it.

I read of an interview with one of the people on the deck at the time. He said that the failsafes appeared to have been turned off.

There is no way that this was not sabotage. The timing is too perfect. I have to agree with those here who think this was an opportunity just waiting to happen. The Nazis have nothing to lose. There were many opportunities:
1) Halliburton was involved. nuf said. Cheney is one of the Nazi Princes.
2) There was a surprise 'inspection' just two days prior by the EPA(?)...anyway, The Feds. Normally one man might come on board. And even that is so very rare. This time a whole team showed up. A shipload. And went about their business. And left.
3) the Sorcha Fall Korean scenario.
4) Anyone who was afraid the control of oil was going to shift to the Brits. hmmmmm...

Now for the timing:
1) This happened the same day that Obama's affair was revealed in two rags. Story immediately disappeared with this event.
2) The Nazis NWO is on its deathbed. Its Mafiosa has its back to the wall and the entire world is pointing M-16s at their heads. (they don't have hearts)
3) Return America Plan is making headway in government offices and courts all over this country. Military is firmly behind it. The bad guys have got to stop it. How do you keep a 'government' no matter how corrupt, in office? Create a crisis bigger than their corruption.

And there you have it...
Take your pick. Or choose all of the above.
There is more but it gets too woo woo for most folks...

lay off the Meth; HALLITOSIS carelessness is about the only likely of them all
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Getting a little too close to the truth for your comfort, am I, shillboy? tough.

shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?
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Thats why theres no large slick dispite a high flow rate. It's mostly gasses coming out of the well. Thats why theyre not allowing the well to be filmed from above. Theyve punctured the barrier thats been holding this gas back and like popping a balloon with a pinprick, it doesnt take much. WHat youd expect is for the escaping gasses to gradually erode around the well casing and blow the well completely out. Theyve fucked up big time, what they thought was oil was a deposit of methane hydrate
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I think they knew that very well and wanted to tap it:

Huge reservoirs of methane trapped beneath the ocean floor rapidly escaped during prehistoric global warming and depleted much of the sea's oxygen, according to new research into why many forms of life suddenly vanished 183 million years ago.

The findings, reported in today's issue of the journal Nature, shed new light not only on the disappearance of as many as 80 percent of some deep-sea species but also a process suspected in other prehistoric mass extinctions.

The study also raised questions about today's sea-floor reservoir of methane hydrate, which the federal government plans to study as a possible energy source.

"One of the important questions that is debated a lot today is the stability of this methane hydrate reservoir and how easy it is to release the methane that is there,"
said Stephen Hesselbo, an Oxford University researcher and the study's lead author.


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Here are the points confirming Methane release...

(1) Hydrate Crystals formed in the containment box.
(2) Reddish/Orange slick
(3) Methane was what detonated on the Rig
(4) Location of punctured reserves

Now, we need to get some estimates of just how much Methane or Methane Hydrate is escaping? How much the Gulf waters is absorbing and how much is being released into the atmosphere as gas?


This can have a massive impact on global temperatures.

This could result in an explosion so large it has never been seen before by man.

Such an explosion could have irreversable consequences of great magnitudes. Civilization may crumble under the stress, wars may break out and the air may stink of death for months, maybe years.
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Ahhhhhhh...now there's the classic GLP doomtardedness! lol

Ya had me until your last sentence and then ya made me laugh.

Spot on prior to that point.

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I have asked this before and maybe no one knows the answer, but what are the chances of a lightning strike causing it to ignite. Anybody anybody Buller
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You mean the original catastrophe? Lightening igniting the methane purge from the well? That cause all this?

Slim to none. Think of the timing... That bolt from the blue would have had to strike within a 60 second windo before the cloud that belched up from below had an opportunity to dissipate.

Much more likely are all the various sources of ignition present on the drilling rig itself, like generators and other electrical equipment.

Hell, if the blast of methane had knocked stuff over on the rig as I think it did, and a simple LIGHT BULB got broken, that right there could easily touch off a cloud of methane.
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Methane Hydrate is released continously through seeps in the ocean floor. The problems with recovering hydrates of methane make it far less economically feasable than oil, at the moment, and what happened in the Gulf is why. The danger is that alot of methane could be released instantaneously, like a balloon popping from a pinprick. Remember, the pressure at the wellhead was excess of 75,000 psi, theve drilled into something they should have damned sure left alone. The history of the failure of the cementing process where methane hydrates are present is well documented, my guess is BP knew they were fucked when they saw the pressures and the makeup of what was coming from the well.
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Lets just say hypothetically if it was to ignite would it blow up part of the US? like around the Louisiana coast?
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Methane Hydrate is released continously through seeps in the ocean floor. The problems with recovering hydrates of methane make it far less economically feasable than oil, at the moment, and what happened in the Gulf is why. The danger is that alot of methane could be released instantaneously, like a balloon popping from a pinprick. Remember, the pressure at the wellhead was excess of 75,000 psi, theve drilled into something they should have damned sure left alone. The history of the failure of the cementing process where methane hydrates are present is well documented, my guess is BP knew they were fucked when they saw the pressures and the makeup of what was coming from the well.
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The issue with these methane hydrates is that they work a hell of a lot like the carbonation in a bottle of soda pop.

As long as the temp and pressure is maintained, the methane remains in suspension in the water (like the CO2 in the soda) but as soon as you either...

A) Depressurize it (like unscrewing the top on a shook up bottle of soda) or

B) Heat it (such as the heat generated by that curing cement)

The methane then fizzes violently out of suspension in the water, turning to a free gas, and expanding like a mother... which all by itself can be explosive although not a combustion type of explosive.

But then if that expanding methane hits air and a spark...

KABOOM - !!!!!
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The red-orange rust color very likely has to do with the methane.

When that big blue lake exploded in Africa from methane deposits underneath it, one of the things noticed about it afterwards was that the water was no longer blue but a "rust color".


So, basically speaking, that mostly proves there is a large amount of methane with the oil release?


Apparently, from the many articles about it, methane deposits are always expected when one drills for oil, since the two go hand in hand.

These deposits are one of the primary reasons for all the fail safe systems.

What appears different this time was the size of the well. With literally billions of barrels to be had, this well was the largest ever found. They must have known the risk of a LARGE pool of methane coming along with it. And no doubt thought they were ready for it.

I read of an interview with one of the people on the deck at the time. He said that the failsafes appeared to have been turned off.

There is no way that this was not sabotage. The timing is too perfect. I have to agree with those here who think this was an opportunity just waiting to happen. The Nazis have nothing to lose. There were many opportunities:
1) Halliburton was involved. nuf said. Cheney is one of the Nazi Princes.
2) There was a surprise 'inspection' just two days prior by the EPA(?)...anyway, The Feds. Normally one man might come on board. And even that is so very rare. This time a whole team showed up. A shipload. And went about their business. And left.
3) the Sorcha Fall Korean scenario.
4) Anyone who was afraid the control of oil was going to shift to the Brits. hmmmmm...

Now for the timing:
1) This happened the same day that Obama's affair was revealed in two rags. Story immediately disappeared with this event.
2) The Nazis NWO is on its deathbed. Its Mafiosa has its back to the wall and the entire world is pointing M-16s at their heads. (they don't have hearts)
3) Return America Plan is making headway in government offices and courts all over this country. Military is firmly behind it. The bad guys have got to stop it. How do you keep a 'government' no matter how corrupt, in office? Create a crisis bigger than their corruption.

And there you have it...
Take your pick. Or choose all of the above.
There is more but it gets too woo woo for most folks...

lay off the Meth; HALLITOSIS carelessness is about the only likely of them all


Getting a little too close to the truth for your comfort, am I, shillboy? tough.

shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?
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Please continue and elaborate further about what is there.....
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lightening strikes

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