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BREAKING - Gulf Oil Spill is Releasing Methane - I said it then and now is confirmed 5000:1

 
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Three oil leaks. nyha ha ha.

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First Epic Disaster of the 21st Century.
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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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Lets just say hypothetically if it was to ignite would it blow up part of the US? like around the Louisiana coast?
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It can indeed EXPLODE, but the concentration of methane vs. the oxygen in the air would need to be a very specific ratio for ideal combustion, such as being trapped in the enclosed spaces of an oil rig, for example.

I seriously think that freely release methane going into the open air would not ignite easily since it would have difficulty reaching a high enough concentration to explode.

Frankly, I think the idea that the gulf is going to launch itself into orbit is pretty far-fetched.

Methane is however a potent greenhouse gas, and could trigger some form of climate change expecially in combination with the recent volcanic activity pumping contaminants into the atmosphere and the cheages in the oceans heating and cooling capacity as a result of the floating oil.

I think that's the thing I'd be worried about.

Remember the so-called summer of 1992, after Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Phillipines in late 1991? The summer that basically didn't happen in a lot of places? Remember the horrible winter of 1993?

I think the combination of all these factors could really mess up our climatological patterns for quite some time.

Ice age trigger, anyone?
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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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The 'head' of the 'Omega' machine is in the...GULF OF MEXICO?


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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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okay I give up. what is the "big item lying in the gulf of mexico"?
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The red-orange rust color very likely has to do with the methane.

When that big blue lake exploded in Africa from methane deposits underneath it, one of the things noticed about it afterwards was that the water was no longer blue but a "rust color".


So, basically speaking, that mostly proves there is a large amount of methane with the oil release?


Apparently, from the many articles about it, methane deposits are always expected when one drills for oil, since the two go hand in hand.

These deposits are one of the primary reasons for all the fail safe systems.

What appears different this time was the size of the well. With literally billions of barrels to be had, this well was the largest ever found. They must have known the risk of a LARGE pool of methane coming along with it. And no doubt thought they were ready for it.

I read of an interview with one of the people on the deck at the time. He said that the failsafes appeared to have been turned off.

There is no way that this was not sabotage. The timing is too perfect. I have to agree with those here who think this was an opportunity just waiting to happen. The Nazis have nothing to lose. There were many opportunities:
1) Halliburton was involved. nuf said. Cheney is one of the Nazi Princes.
2) There was a surprise 'inspection' just two days prior by the EPA(?)...anyway, The Feds. Normally one man might come on board. And even that is so very rare. This time a whole team showed up. A shipload. And went about their business. And left.
3) the Sorcha Fall Korean scenario.
4) Anyone who was afraid the control of oil was going to shift to the Brits. hmmmmm...

Now for the timing:
1) This happened the same day that Obama's affair was revealed in two rags. Story immediately disappeared with this event.
2) The Nazis NWO is on its deathbed. Its Mafiosa has its back to the wall and the entire world is pointing M-16s at their heads. (they don't have hearts)
3) Return America Plan is making headway in government offices and courts all over this country. Military is firmly behind it. The bad guys have got to stop it. How do you keep a 'government' no matter how corrupt, in office? Create a crisis bigger than their corruption.

And there you have it...
Take your pick. Or choose all of the above.
There is more but it gets too woo woo for most folks...

lay off the Meth; HALLITOSIS carelessness is about the only likely of them all


Getting a little too close to the truth for your comfort, am I, shillboy? tough.

shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?
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Oh, please, please, please, sir... do tell! Personally, I am way into the woo-woo, as I have found that the truth is ALWAYS stranger than the weirdest cockamamie story you could ever make up...
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I think the methane is only a partial truth. I believe it could have caused this but I think it is being hyped to cover a nuke blast posing as a methane explosion to fuse the well.

I don't believe this box of oil shit either......

That rings all to well. I can see that being conjured to prepare the disinfo campaign.

What if the size of the nuclear bomb required was large enough to destroy many coastal areas and/or cities?

Or the resulting tsunami from a large enough blast?

They will NEVER tell us that is what they will do if the end results in a lot of life lost or large scale property destruction.

AC 964530, you sparked a thought and it feels too true. When I read your post I had that deep sinking feeling in my gut.

I think this may be it.
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I agree. The box will probably be used to cover the hole as it is being nuked to contain the effects. False flag anyone?
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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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okay I give up. what is the "big item lying in the gulf of mexico"?
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Miami, florida, that is what . Not quite the gulf of Mexico s226
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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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okay I give up. what is the "big item lying in the gulf of mexico"?

Miami, florida, that is what . Not quite the gulf of Mexico s226
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Ha, nevermind, I input the coordinates wrong iamwith
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Lets just say hypothetically if it was to ignite would it blow up part of the US? like around the Louisiana coast?


It can indeed EXPLODE, but the concentration of methane vs. the oxygen in the air would need to be a very specific ratio for ideal combustion, such as being trapped in the enclosed spaces of an oil rig, for example.

I seriously think that freely release methane going into the open air would not ignite easily since it would have difficulty reaching a high enough concentration to explode.

Frankly, I think the idea that the gulf is going to launch itself into orbit is pretty far-fetched.

Methane is however a potent greenhouse gas, and could trigger some form of climate change expecially in combination with the recent volcanic activity pumping contaminants into the atmosphere and the cheages in the oceans heating and cooling capacity as a result of the floating oil.

I think that's the thing I'd be worried about.

Remember the so-called summer of 1992, after Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Phillipines in late 1991? The summer that basically didn't happen in a lot of places? Remember the horrible winter of 1993?

I think the combination of all these factors could really mess up our climatological patterns for quite some time.

Ice age trigger, anyone?
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Thanks for your answer,that makes allot sense,either way this is a very bad disaster that can effect the entire world,its actually pretty scary.
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hadn't "they" just about decided that the weird stuff that goes on in the Bermuda Triangle, is a result of methane escaping from the ocean floor..that the methane rises to the surface and engulfs whatever it encounters, which then unbalances floating ships and even planes as it rises out of the water and into the air...this situation in the Gulf is one very frightening situation...I've worked to save oil slicked birds/animals...not a fun thing to do or see...
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Maybe this is why ships and planes can't go over the slick. They don't want them to end up at the bottom of the ocean.
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The sea depth is 5000 feet. Does anyone know how deep the actual well is drilled?
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The sea depth is 5000 feet. Does anyone know how deep the actual well is drilled?
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Last I read it was about 4 miles deep. But I might be wrong. Somewhere in that ballpark figure.
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hadn't "they" just about decided that the weird stuff that goes on in the Bermuda Triangle, is a result of methane escaping from the ocean floor..that the methane rises to the surface and engulfs whatever it encounters, which then unbalances floating ships and even planes as it rises out of the water and into the air...this situation in the Gulf is one very frightening situation...I've worked to save oil slicked birds/animals...not a fun thing to do or see...



Maybe this is why ships and planes can't go over the slick. They don't want them to end up at the bottom of the ocean.
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This is a valid consideration... Water full of methane bubbles does not support a load like normal water, and the 'foamy' seas that result will allow a ship to sink.

Similar for aircraft, although the amount of methane required is MUCH higher...
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This is a valid consideration... Water full of methane bubbles does not support a load like normal water, and the 'foamy' seas that result will allow a ship to sink.

Similar for aircraft, although the amount of methane required is MUCH higher...
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Correct,they just like fall into a trap door opening on the water.
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this is so. fkg. bad.
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I was just trying to imagine all the consequences of this, including an explosion. I can not seem to wrap my head around it. You are right. This is SO Fking Bad :(
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This is a valid consideration... Water full of methane bubbles does not support a load like normal water, and the 'foamy' seas that result will allow a ship to sink.

Similar for aircraft, although the amount of methane required is MUCH higher...


Correct,they just like fall into a trap door opening on the water.
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And this may best explain the obvious lack of 'clean-up vessels' that the Coast Guard says are on the job... I saw that satellite photo (dated today), and there appears to be only one maritime vessel in the water at all, much less 190, as they stated.

And, off the subject at hand, your signature seems so familiar to me... Robert Burns, is it?
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just wait itl the methane-oil monster Hydroilga is awakened and then we need Godzilla to fight it and afterwards cap the thing with a 12 million pound rock!
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<shall I tell about the big 'item' lying in the Gulf at 23.439N 90W as well?>
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The 'head' of the 'Omega' machine is in the...GULF OF MEXICO?


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very interesting.
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The sea depth is 5000 feet. Does anyone know how deep the actual well is drilled?

Last I read it was about 4 miles deep. But I might be wrong. Somewhere in that ballpark figure.
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wow, i thought it went down 2 miles and i was astounded, 4 miles, it is the ABYSS.
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this is so. fkg. bad.


I was just trying to imagine all the consequences of this, including an explosion. I can not seem to wrap my head around it. You are right. This is SO Fking Bad :(
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it hit me today when i got on google earth and saw the gulf, and how the new madrid fault is right above, and how the gulf is kinda enclosed by land. and i just thought, the perfect bomb to trash a continent. i mean everything could happen, coasts gone and tsunamis farther inland, the scenerios that ran thru my head today were chilling.
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I also learned this.

99% of frozen methane is formed from biology.
1% is formed from Thermogenic generated gas deep in the Earth.

Thermogenic Gas Formation is heavier and is under greater pressures since the gas is deposited from below and not above.

The Gulf of Mexico has mostly Thermogenic Methane Hydrate. Meaning it is methane from deep earth under extreme pressures. That reservoir of oil and methane hydrate could be extremely deep.

The moment that pocket was opened up, the release of pressure caused a MASSIVE gassing of the liquid methane hydrate.
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An idea I had and posted in another thread...

I had that idea a few days ago and got laughed at... Well, not a BUTT plug, but the equivalent of it.

What you need is a VERY FAST underwater missile, or a torpedo, with the nose being made from a solid dense metal, like copper.

They know the inside diameter of the drill pipe in the ocean floor, so the OUTSIDE diameter of the nose cone metal plug needs to be just a smidgen BIGGER, so it'll be a force-fit down the pipe.

See where we're going?

All that's left is a means to drive that sucker straight down the pipe thru the middle of the spewing oil at like 500 mph.

I suggest GPS locators dropped on the ocean floor around the pipe, so the missile guidance system can pinpoint the exact center and lock onto it... WHAM - !!!!!!!

Plugged !

What is there to lose?
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okay I give up. what is the "big item lying in the gulf of mexico"?

Miami, florida, that is what . Not quite the gulf of Mexico s226

Ha, nevermind, I input the coordinates wrong iamwith
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23.439, - 90 on Google Maps here:
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An idea I had and posted in another thread...

I had that idea a few days ago and got laughed at... Well, not a BUTT plug, but the equivalent of it.

What you need is a VERY FAST underwater missile, or a torpedo, with the nose being made from a solid dense metal, like copper.

They know the inside diameter of the drill pipe in the ocean floor, so the OUTSIDE diameter of the nose cone metal plug needs to be just a smidgen BIGGER, so it'll be a force-fit down the pipe.

See where we're going?

All that's left is a means to drive that sucker straight down the pipe thru the middle of the spewing oil at like 500 mph.

I suggest GPS locators dropped on the ocean floor around the pipe, so the missile guidance system can pinpoint the exact center and lock onto it... WHAM - !!!!!!!

Plugged !

What is there to lose?
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Yeah, um. You're not about to get a torpedo or a missile to travel anywhere remotely close to 500 miles per hour at a depth of 1 mile below sea level.
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Hmmm, is the story we're getting even close to the truth? Found this-

Mining the Oceans' Natural Gas
By Katrina C. Arabe
Below the ocean floor lies a vast reserve of frozen natural gas--200,000 trillion cubic feet, geologists estimate. The big question is--could this be the clean and abundant fuel source we've been searching for?

Since the 1970s, researchers have been intrigued by methane hydrates, mysterious deposits of natural gas that hold promise as a sustainable energy resource. The problem was that very little was known about these crystalline solids--where they could be found, how plentiful they were, and how to extract them. As a result, their true potential remained shrouded in mystery.

Not anymore. According to a February 2005 Mechanical Engineering magazine article, dedicated research programs in the U.S. and around the world are uncovering many answers. Encouragingly, they suggest that the "commercial production of methane from hydrate may now be just around the corner," says the article. It reports that through field studies in places such as the waters off Oregon, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Alaskan North Slope, it's become evident that tapping into the methane in these solids is both "technically feasible and economically viable." And it can be done with current technologies. In fact, in Alaska, geologists are already plotting out ways to commercially produce methane from the hydrates they have spotted.

What's more, the vastness of this potential resource has been backed up by data. Ten years ago, the U.S. Geological Survey was the first to systematically quantify the methane volumes in hydrates in the U.S. and bounding continental shelves. Now, integrating the latest data, geologists place that estimate at 200,000 trillion cubic feet, which is equivalent to about 2,000 times the current amount of energy the U.S. consumes in a year. Global estimates, meanwhile, vary by several orders of magnitude, due to remaining uncertainties. However, even by the most conservative figures, gas-in-place volumes in methane hydrates are said to be 10 times greater than all recoverable natural gas in the world.

Article author Ray Boswell, technology manager for methane hydrates at the U.S. Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory, points out that the viable production of methane from these hydrates will help ensure the "long-term supply of natural gas, an environmentally friendly fuel with enormous economic and energy security benefits to the nation."

These frozen undersea deposits of natural gas are exceedingly difficult to study, however. Found in marine sediments and in the Arctic, they melt at room temperature at sea level, dissociating into water and methane. (Methane hydrate is a solid substance, in which host water molecules trap methane molecules without bonding them.) Thus, specialized equipment, such as pressure-retaining containers, and sophisticated technologies, such as computed tomography X-ray scanning and nuclear magnetic resonance imaging, are a must in the study of methane hydrates.

According to Mechanical Engineering, "the promise of methane hydrate is this: It is a very efficient storehouse of energy. When dissociated, a single cubic foot of solid hydrate releases as much as 180 cubic feet of methane gas." In methane hydrates, the natural gas is trapped solid within.

Now the tough part is figuring out how to competitively mine this resource. They reside after all in tough-to-reach low temperature-high pressure settings, in particular in sediments under some 500 meters or more of water and in some Arctic continental areas. Deep-water operations obviously will not come cheap. What's more, the environmental implications of exploiting these deposits still have to be explored.

Mechanical Engineering poses the question, "Will methane hydrate fuel the future?" The answer seems to be "we'll see"--researchers still have to figure out how much producible methane there is in these frozen deposits.

Source:

Buried Treasure
Ray Boswell

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Wow, thank you for posting this!
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Lets just say hypothetically if it was to ignite would it blow up part of the US? like around the Louisiana coast?
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I'm not worried about the ignition.



I'm more worried about the actual amount of methane escaping. That shit is one hell of a green house gas.
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If the well head is gone forget about it, the only thing thats going to seal that off is a nuke its not going to be pretty but every day that passes is a step into the unknown, and no one has any idea what to do.
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An idea I had and posted in another thread...

I had that idea a few days ago and got laughed at... Well, not a BUTT plug, but the equivalent of it.

What you need is a VERY FAST underwater missile, or a torpedo, with the nose being made from a solid dense metal, like copper.

They know the inside diameter of the drill pipe in the ocean floor, so the OUTSIDE diameter of the nose cone metal plug needs to be just a smidgen BIGGER, so it'll be a force-fit down the pipe.

See where we're going?

All that's left is a means to drive that sucker straight down the pipe thru the middle of the spewing oil at like 500 mph.

I suggest GPS locators dropped on the ocean floor around the pipe, so the missile guidance system can pinpoint the exact center and lock onto it... WHAM - !!!!!!!

Plugged !

What is there to lose?




Yeah, um. You're not about to get a torpedo or a missile to travel anywhere remotely close to 500 miles per hour at a depth of 1 mile below sea level.
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Actually, the Russians are doing research with good results into just such a device... In action, it forms a void in the water somehow as a result of a cavitation wave, so if effect it is moving the water out of the way ahead of itself, and zipping along inside of an empty bubble thru the water.

It's pretty cool...


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